October 9th, 2015:
Julie Bindel argues that “woman” and “womb” are interchangeable.
July 6, 2017:
Julie Bindel suddenly argues that equating wombs to womanhood is a “twisted notion.”
If anyone had any illusions Bindel argues about trans issue in good faith, may they be banished thoroughly. This is the logic of a bigot, someone who has arrived at their conclusion that trans is bad regardless of what we actually do.
I’m done pretending this person is reasonable.
-Shiv
Why did you pretend she was reasonable in the first place? What on earth gave you that impression?
@cartomancer
Because such an assumption is necessary for the fuck mothering “dialogue” that libs keep nattering at me about.
I think I got whiplash reading that.
I’d like to know what it is about my having a womb that “makes me” a woman.
@WMDKitty — Survivor
Because that’s what their elementary biology textbook said.
I wish this was a strawman. Content Notice TERF bullshit: https://twitter.com/gogreen18/status/883895980956934145
Having a dialogue requires willingness to seriously consider the other persons points, ain’t no way our* Julie would ever do that.
* ‘our’ because I’m British, not because I agree with her on many things or in any way consider her family
@jazzlet
And I’m fully confident despite the fact that I’ve been doing exactly that for years, this one “final straw” post will be the one TERFs actually pay attention to.
I’ve touched upon what the stance on LGBT issues is in the culture that saw me grew up, and I can only speculate here, but her transphobia is very similar to the homophobia of men and women. Namely accepting such agency for rights that outside of surgeries only occur naturally, it would, and in the eyes of people having this phobia, it already does question the foundation of a person.
The last time I heard about this, it was Alice Eve talking about Bruce Jenner. Back then, the argument was, that it’s the life experiences that make a woman woman, like having period, ovulation, and of course a womb. This is built on the mistaken notion that antifeminists also use, namely because in most cases biology doesn’t produce many outliers (variations), therefore it’s a near perfect system. Except for the times when weighing too little or too much influences a period, as do other factors. Not to mention having something doesn’t mean people want to use it. It’s strictly my personal opinion, but women, who never want to get pregnant, if they could, they would donate a womb to people who want to have a baby naturally.
Bindel forgets, that pasteurization, which helped modernize medicine and childbirth also do not occur naturally, so she should also blame doctors for intervening in reducing infant mortality.
P.S.: I just watched the latest Adam ruins everything and it’s astounding that scientists used 17th century French census data to determine by which age a woman is at risk having a baby.
@secondtofirstworld just an aside, it’s Catilyn Jenner. Names and pronouns are retroactive