Howdy folks.
In the interest of fairness I decided to spruce up my comments policy to be a bit more detailed and explicit. Regulars have more or less already been following these conditions anyways, but I also decided to explicitly document the Points Refuted a Thousand Times. This is to help make more available the myth-busting information, and also to point out that I’m under no obligation to repeat myself when my previous work stands, a demand which has occasionally cropped up in the filtered comments.
Everything below is listed here.
The first comment you post on Against the Grain is automatically sent into moderation. This is to bring your commentary to my attention. There are a number of things I have little patience for on this blag, detailed below, and if you run afoul of them your comment may be edited, filtered out, or your account banned altogether. Your participation is contingent on the following:
1. Stay on topic
If your first instinct is to change the subject, you’ll likely be called on it. If I start a conversation about the angles Jesse Singal employs in his trans-antagonistic journalism, braying on about this obscure murder committed 30 years ago by a trans woman is not relevant.
2. Make disagreements about the argument
Attack the argument. Question its premises, or question the logical construction. I am not generally fond of attacking the arguer as opposed to the argument. On a related note…
3. Definitely no hate speech
Ad hominems usually net you warnings, unless you employ language that singles out a person’s immutable characteristics as inherently inferior or undesirable, in which case I toss you out. This includes but is not limited to language demeaning gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, ability, sex, etc.
4. No Points Refuted a Thousand Times
My material on trans issues is occasionally repetitive because the opponents to trans rights offer repetitive discourse. If something was wrong six months ago, it remains wrong today unless new information has been produced. So no, I am not going to tailor-suit a refutation to something that has already been shown to be bunk nonsense, and reciting these points uncritically will not impress me.
Some PRATTs relevant to this blog include:
- Transition-related healthcare is specifically to resolve gender dysphoria. It is not a eugenicist conspiracy to eradicate gender nonconforming gay kids.
- Transition-related healthcare is specifically to resolve gender dysphoria. It has not claimed to be a cure-all, nor would it need to be a cure-all to be valid.
- We’ve already tried treating gender dysphoria with antipsychotics. It doesn’t work.
- 80% of children admitted to Dr. Zucker’s gender identity clinic were not gender dysphoric–this is by Dr. Zucker’s own admission. It is therefore not true that 80% of his subjects “desisted” from gender dysphoria, because they never had it to begin with.
- Dr. Zucker was discredited for publishing research that conflates gender nonconformity with gender dysphoria. He was discredited on an academic basis. This work may have been prompted by the complaints of trans activists, but we did not “fire him.”
- ___ trapped in a ___ body was a metaphor proposed by the first cisgender doctors charged with trans care. It was not our metaphor, nor does it serve as the basis of trans feminism.
- “Gender identity” is used in trans feminism as a short hand for a subjective experience of one’s sexed attributes. The external expectations placed upon you because of your assigned sex are a separate matter. Do not conflate the two. It is entirely possible to oppose the latter and not the former.
- There is little scientific consensus on why gender dysphoria occurs, but we’ve ruled out mommy issues, PTSD, OCD, and autism. Check the Freud at the door please.
- Formal research on gender variance dates to the early 20th century. It is not a Tumblr fad.
- The Canadian Criminal Code possesses no mechanisms to prosecute someone for not using proper titles. Thus, Bill C-16 cannot criminalize the act of misgendering a trans person, deliberately or otherwise.
- Cecilia Dhejne’s study shows a cohort of trans women from the 70s and 80s who are as likely to be charged for a “sex crime” as cis men. Selling sex was such a crime during that time. So no, her study does not prove that trans women are as violent as cis men.
- Autogynephilia is not falsifiable, making it shitty science. More importantly, some ~90% of cis women qualify is “autogynephilic.” It’s nothing more than an attempt to slut shame trans women.
- The only children receiving “irreversible” genital surgeries are intersex. Endosex trans kids don’t even qualify for surgery by WPATH standards. Arguments citing “irreversible changes” for children are therefore referencing something that doesn’t exist in the context of trans kids (though intersex folks would likely appreciate it if you could take your concern where it’s actually needed).
- Psychopathology is not inevitable in gender variant people. It is a product of discrimination, so if you could stop citing our psychopathology as a reason to discriminate against us, that’d be great.
- Criminalizing trans people’s ability to access public accommodations does nothing to make you safer. An overwhelming amount of sexualized violence is perpetrated by people the victim trusts. Stranger danger is vastly overstated.
- It is not commonly held, even by trans feminists, that trans and cis women are identical. What trans feminists often argue instead is that the distinction between the two is often/sometimes limited to theory, because we experience many manifestations of misogyny in practice.
- “Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist” was actually coined by a cisgender radical feminist who found the sex essentialism in TERF arguments to be anathema to gender liberation. It could only be a slur in the same way that any other descriptive word spoken with enough venom counts as a slur–certainly “Muslim” and “liberal” carries implicit hostility when invoked by white supremacists, but the words themselves do not automatically have derogatory intent in common parlance, and neither does “TERF.”
- A binary model is inadequate to describe developmental biology. If your analysis is contingent on the notion of biological sex being fixed, unchanging, one characteristic (rather than a series of characteristics) and binary, you’re glossing over a lot of biology and genetics.
- A binary model of gender is specifically a euro-colonial one. Many cultures prior to colonial contact had more expansive models. “That’s the way I was taught in grade school” is not an adequate defense for the euro-colonial model.
- Gender affirmation provides constant opportunities for children to change their minds and does not prescribe one particular treatment plan. There is no inevitable conveyor belt locking kids into this process.
- GnRH is specifically a hormone agonist, preventing the production of hormones. It is thus fractally wrong to oppose transition healthcare for adolescents on the basis that they’re “being pumped full of hormones” when the treatment protocol is about stopping hormone production.
- Yes, trans people have already tried loving ourselves, no, transitioning doesn’t preclude that.
- Cathy Brennan might be a fake goth.
Yes, this tedious, fact-free nonsense tends to repeat itself.
Note that bringing up a PRATT doesn’t necessarily disqualify you from the comments, if and only if you can introduce new information that wasn’t discussed the first time.
5. Breaking these rules on other blogs on the network will also get you banned.
I regularly read the works of my colleagues, so even if you aren’t accountable to my conditions on their blog, you’re still subject to them when you come to mine. A history of violating the above conditions elsewhere will generally burn any goodwill I might otherwise assume when you pop up in moderation.
-Shiv
polishsalami says
The only one I have a problem with is #5. I don’t think people should be banned from Blog A for comments that are made at Blog B. If they repeat those comments here, then that is a different story, obviously.
PZ Myers says
These are good rules. I think if Shiv axed someone on this blog for comments made on my blog, I’d take the additional step of banning them from Pharyngula.
We are a hive mind, you know.
Siobhan says
Akismet flagged you as spam PZ. Tsk tsk.
At any rate:
I don’t expect that of you, because we run very different comments sections, and attract very different types of commentariat. I actually don’t get very many drive-bys from Slymepitters who try to actually argue anything, whereas you seem to get those types every other week or so. You also have more commentariat to challenge trolls, whereas I have little interest in re-opening PRATTs in the comments without challenge, so I just filter them to save myself time. It would take a particularly egregious violation of 2 or 3 before I’d even consider suggesting a cross-blog ban.
polishsalami says
I think there are some remote Mongolian herdsmen who are yet to be banned from your blog, PZ, but I’m sure you can deal with them if they show up.
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I still think it would be weird if this was applied outside the blogosphere (eg., if someone was tried in Michigan for a burglary committed in Missouri). Then again, people are prevented from getting travel visas for criminal convictions in their home country.
sandykat says
If you’re at someone else’s house and see someone take a dump on the living room floor, I think it’s justified not to invite them into your own home.
Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden says
@Polishsalami & Sandykat:
Sandykat has it right. This is Shiv’s house. You want to come in, don’t make an ass of yourself at someone else’s house when Shiv is there. Your obviously bad behavior elsewhere easily justifies the decision of someone to forbid you from entering their own home.
Blogs don’t keep the rain off one’s head, but the analogy is otherwise waterproof.
Silentbob says
The bullet points in #4, by themselves, are the greatest compendium of concise refutations to TERF talking points I’ve ever seen. Brava. If think I need to print those fuckers out and stick them on the wall for handy future reference.
Silentbob says
That very person is in fact still a commenter at FTB dontcha know.
Siobhan says
@8 Silentbob
Neat!
Chakat Firepaw says
@polishsalami #1:
While I think that banning in one venue for actions in another should be restricted to more severe cases, using the actions in other venues to determine how much slack a person is cut is another thing.
Using a case of someone making a borderline comment here:
If they are totally new to FTB, Siobhan might give them a warning and a bit of pointing at things to read.
OTOH
If they have a history of pushing the limits and being solidly clueless even in the fact of ortillery LARTs¹, well, time to call for the hammer caddy.
1: Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool, (the ‘L’ in luser is silent), most commonly a clue-by-four.
Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk- says
The USA are the weirdest place on planet earth. In most countries yes, committing a crime in one part of it means you’re wanted in other parts as well. It’s not like you magically become a non-criminal peaceful citizen by crossing a state line.
To make it short: people’s behaviour elsewhere is a pretty good indicator of their behaviour in your place.