Marine Le Pen, leader of Front National, welcomed the result. Photograph: Eric Feferberg/AFP/Getty Images.
Just in case you weren’t quite depressed enough, The Guardian has the reactions of all the white supremacist bigots from elsewhere in the world, who are just over the moon about Trump. They’re taking this as a sign to start burning everything, everyone, in their march towards global fascism. Fuck every single godsdamned person who voted for Trump – you voted for a xenophobic, homophobic bigot, a rapist, a sexual predator, a con man, an open fraud, a sociopath, an ignorant asspimple who will hasten the death of the very planet which gives you life. Fuck. every. single. one. of. you. You make me wish there was a hell, because if anyone deserves it, you do. Instead, you have unleashed hell on millions upon millions of people, and you have signed the death sentence on your own fucking planet, you fools.
See also: Far-right leader Le Pen says Trump win ‘good news for France’.
Don’t worry, I think I reached absolute low already. Tell me sloths died out today and it won’t make a difference.
If you’d told me in 2012 that in 2016 I’d be glad for Merkel I’d have told you to stop taking drugs. Now I can only hope that our milquetoast big coalition survives the next election.
Giliell:
Yeah. I don’t know if I’ve ever felt quite this numb before. I feel frozen and deathly tired. And Christ, I am so sorry for what this has unleashed on you, and everyone else in the world.
Merkel’s congratulation reads like a punch inna face
Most important passage:
Germany and Democracy are united through our common values: democracy, freedom, respect for the rights and dignity of every single person, regardless of origin, skin colour, gender, sexual orientation, religion or political opinion. On the basis of those values I offer to work closely with you, both personally and as a government.
Caine #2
Don’t worry about it. USA isn’t the center of the world. Fascist and Nazis were on the rise for nearly a decade now the world over and Trump election is but another brick in the wall.
USA, on the other hand, is in a bad shape. But it’s not the end of the world either. I’m from Israel and ever since the last relatively left leaning prime minister was murdered 21 years ago, the country has been ruled by the same people who murdered him. And yet we’re still here -- Jews and Palestinians (there is no such thing as Israelis). Life goes on and a day will come when you will miss Trump as a voice of relative reason.
Replace first “democracy” with “USA”
Alexander
I do. The current destabilisation in the world is the result of Bush’s presidency, a guy who looks positively competent, kind and progressive compared to Trump.
Gods, Pharyngula is full to the brim with idiots again
Giliell #5
I disagree, but whatever.
My point is that this isn’t the end of the world. Nothing is. And things could still get much worse.
It always is.
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That’S the problem. The bad thing is not what happened today, but what will happen. Lot’s of people said today “This is bad, but we’ve made it through other bad things, we’ll be strong and make it through.” I understand the sentiment, but there’s a lot of people who didn’t make it through the last time. There’S people who are dead. There’S people who will die. Fascists are emboldened.
Giliell:
Yep.
Alexander:
Yeah, right, armed to the teeth, at least your side, not only war torn, but ruled by bigotry, hate, and fear, with bodies all over the ground. Sounds fuckin’ great. Please don’t keep telling me it’s not so fucking bad, because it *is* that fucking bad, and it’s going to get a whole lot worse, everywhere. And seriously, don’t ever fucking tell me I’ll think Trump looked good in comparison to someone else. That won’t happen -- I will never look on this day as a good, no matter what comes oozing out of the slime next.
Giliell:
Oh, speaking of, that asshole and his wife, they abstained from voting for prez.
Caine #8
That’s how it has always been, for thousands of years. Just like USA has always been a whites only club. The short bursts of hope for anything better are just outliers.
Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk- (#3) --
This is why I don’t have (and never had) a problem with traditional conservatives. You may not agree with or convince them, but they deal in reality and accept the same facts, they just reach a different conclusion about what to do. You can respect them and they will do the same.
What passes for “right wing” in most places these days ranges from fifteen year old locker room bullies to jackbooted white supremacists willing to blame anyone but their leaders. It’s knee jerk reactions from reactionary jerks living on their knees.
Absolutely.
How many people did my military kill under Obama? With the racism of Trump and the congress of Ryan --at best!-- there’s not a single president from my lifetime that I would fear more as Commander in Chief.
With the sexism of Trump and the Senate of McConnell, there’s not a single president from my lifetime that I would fear more in the role of appointment-controller for the federal judiciary.
This…
This is something I hesitate even to describe, for fear you would take my statements on the nature of this horror as but metaphor.
Trump is a disaster for the US, a disaster for atheists, a disaster for refugees, a disaster for people of colour, a disaster for business & trade, a disaster for labor, a disaster for the indigenous, a disaster for women, a disaster for educators, a disaster for students, a disaster for persons with disabilities, a disaster for whole peoples, and a disaster for individuals: Donald Trump is a disaster for the world.
Let’s not forget: He is a Climate Change Denier. If we don’t take climate seriously nothing we do about foreign policy, social policy, or the economy matters. Well, it matters how badly we will be at one other’s throats as things go down the tube. The Trumps of the world might stand longer, but all that means is they will fall a bit later than us.
Anat:
He’s already stated, a number of times, that he plans to pull uStates out of the Paris Accord.
I am so fucking terrified. My partner and I are planning a wedding in May and it feels like the most inconsequential, stupid, self-indulgent thing now, because it’s genuinely possible that it will no longer be legally recognized by then and the loss of marriage equality will be the least of it.
Climate change. Poisoned air, land, and water. Racist violence and blatant oppression without even troubling with dog whistles any longer. The destruction of the First Amendment. Mass deportation. Torture. I just… fuck.
Fuck.
I don’t have anything comforting to say to anyone now and I feel a cold, hateful rage in my veins every time some well-meaning cishet white person tries to tell me that it’s all going to be okay. People are going to fucking die. It’s not going to be okay.
@intransitive comment #11:
It has been a long way to reach this point. Unfortunately too many Europeans, even the Western ones tend to forget, the contract on coal and steel transport between such archenemies as France and West Germany didn’t just sprung up out of fear from communist overthrows, the same energy went into suppressing far right ideals, especially after 1968. Unlike the Far East, where the 3 regional players (Korea, China and Japan) can’t overlook past mistakes and move on, Europe has concentration and work camps to remind us to where populist ideals lead.
On the other hand, I have to address a phenomenon the Germans know best: Mauer in die Köpfe. It is to mean, although the physical barrier was dismantled, former East Germans mentally check out, when it comes civil liberties of minorities. I would laugh if this would be funny, but compare the map on ethnic conscripts into the Waffen SS (as in non-German units) with the map on the rise of ultra-nationalism and Neo Nazism, and both with spikes in Islamophobia, and voilà, you have an almost identical set of maps. It’s an important distinction from Axis countries, as there were plenty occupied countries, whose citizens joined the Nazi cause. The 2 anomalies: the UK and Greece. The UK is simple to explain, their xenophobia started after losing India, which happened after WWII, much like the fascist dictatorship of Greece.
Yet, I have to circle back to Mauer in die Köpfe. Unlike in the old EU and EFTA countries, where no extremist ideology enjoys a society wide support, the former non-aligned and post socialist countries are a different fabric. Although you call them traditional conservatives, that’s technically wrong, pre-French Enlightenment conservatives loathed nationalism and free market trade, the latter being nothing more, than a tool for things they can’t acquire by colonization or war. Today’s conservatives base nationalism and other values post 1789. The other countries I mentioned couldn’t join them… how to put this… it’s like you start to use Bluray, and they open their first Blockbuster, but further east people use pirated Betamax, these technical examples are metaphors for democracy. As such, they don’t have a nationalism independent of religion, and don’t have social policies, that aren’t inherited from dictatorial regimes.
Under such conditions it’s natural they turn toward extreme ideals, and always look for a leader, to the point you might embrace the Horseshoe theory as far-right parties had pretty much cozied up to the Kremlin, even the Russian ones. To some, Western and other ideals are something to wage a war against. In a place like Germany it’s self evident that values borne out of compromise enjoy mutual protection, regardless who is in power. These countries argue the validity of those values. One of the people congratulating Trump even came up with the term illiberal democracy. You know the one, where everything is democratic, but there are only conservative values. Makes no sense? They don’t care because voters don’t care.
@Crip Dyke comment #12:
I agree, except for one thing. Donald Trump isn’t a total disaster for atheists. What I mean is, that places like the Drunken Peasants Network with its total subscribers of at least 5 million people use selective facts from biology, sociology, psychology and criminology to base their beliefs on certain people being not equal to them. They also loudly proclaim atheism has no social agenda (except for the parts of the Bible denigrating people, that by definition is a social agenda and thus politics). While they did came out against Trump, they aren’t short on instructions for black people, women and LGBT people. So, they got the president who will implement the policies they envision. Which is ironic, because a group that proclaims being less trusted than rapists should not engage in multifront warfare against similar minorities and enjoy theist support doing it.
Implying to their listener, what they’ve already believed, that such minorities are to be shunned, they created Trump voters after Sanders had to step down. It makes it now funny how they’re shocked Trump could win. Well, to them I say, compare the content of your non-religious videos with insults of Trump, and then get a mirror. In general, Trump and Pence are dangers to atheists, but not to famous American atheists, they’ve won. The irony is, as well read some of them are, they should have read the German poem about how the author doesn’t care for others being dragged away as he doesn’t belong them, but the poem ends with when they come for him, no one is left to step up for him. Most of the college educated men voting Trump do not visit churches on a regular basis, so the scorpion stung the fox mid river, it’s their nature, if only all atheists were critical thinkers… but as they say, you can take a girl out of Vegas, but you can’t take Vegas out of the girl.
secondtofirstworld:
You aren’t too hot on critical thinking yourself. Do not use a phrase like the Vegas one again, at least not here. If you don’t know why not, I suggest keeping quiet while you think about it. Hard.
TMM:
I’m with you. I do not want to hear straight white people mouthing off stupid, unthinking platitudes. I don’t want to hear anyone mouthing off platitudes. I’m not interested in people denying reality, either. People are already drawing on their white straight privilege, especially the men, and they don’t seem to care at all about the rest of us.
Well, let them.
We will see how gleeful the white fascists inside and outside the US are once Cheetohlini ran the country into the ground. If only straight white men would feel the brunt of the collapse, sadly minorities who came out in droves against Trump will suffer the most.
@Caine comment #18:
Sure, I can rephrase it to make it more clear. Anybody can become an atheist, and I’ve seen plenty of debates, if it requires beyond disbelief in deities the structure of critical thinking. Some YouTube commenters went as far as stating, it’s possible to believe in ghosts, although sifting through any thesaurus tells a person, that a deity is the personalized form of the supernatural, and the unfounded belief in them is based on the supernatural elements.
However, religion and culture influence each other, actually culture does the bigger influence. Several rules and regulations lifted into holy texts come from the period and place it was written. Therefore, interpretation of rules in holy books also depend on the social liberalism/conservativism of the flock/mess/congregation. A conservative pastor can’t sway liberal people to be radicalized, a liberal one can’t sway radicals to become moderates. So, when a person grows in a socially conservative environment, while they do cast away belief in a higher power, it takes a different cardinal change to cast away habits and traditions which keep oppression and discrimination alive.
It is a fact, that social media atheists with a huge base of listeners in the Drunken Peasants network have shifted away from criticizing religious tenets, which influence the lives of many in favor of bashing the minorities most affected by those regulations, painting their representatives as shrill, untrustworthy, conniving and conspiring people. Much like the criticism Clinton and any major candidate got. Now they wonder how the culture of ignorance could have won the election. If you’re famous and develop a strong relationship with people having preexisting convictions, then it isn’t required anymore to debate if any rule in holy books is worth its salt. This is what I meant by having a disbelief in supernatural elements but thoroughly ignoring the other oppressive rules, the fruits of which they enjoy, and yes, it’s apparent only in atheist coming from orthodox religious circles.
secondtofirstworld:
I did not ask you to rephrase to make it more clear. I got it the first time. I told you to be quiet, and figure out why the particular phrase you used (girl, Vegas) was wrong.
This thread is not about atheists,* or about Drunken Peasants, whatever the fuck that is, and no, I do not want to know all about it. Take a break, and leave this thread.
*You completely missed CD’s point, also. Trump spent a lot of time pandering to the very worst of Christians, the far right evangelicals, so yes, this presidency will be bad for atheists and atheism in general. (See: The Revenge of the Religious Right?) As for many atheists being compleat assholes? That is not news, we all know that, and don’t need lectures about it.
In case there’s any confusion, I’m the blog owner.
Climate change is one big issue. Even if Trump doesn’t do anything overtly stupid like nuking somebody, climate change will affect all of us. Yesterday, angrily and upset I said that when Florida is swallowed by rising sea levels it will get exactly what they voted for. It will hit poor people hardest. Nobody in Haiti or Bangladesh ever voted for Trump but they pay anyway.
Giliell:
It’s the biggest issue, but way too many Americans don’t want to listen at all, they act like climate change is unamerican or something. It’s already had a big fucking effect here in nDakota, but does anyone care? Nope. Just like they don’t give a shit about the bee problem.
Trump will pull uStates out of the Paris accord, and he has vowed to reestablish Keystone XL (which was stopped by Indians, as it was going to go directly through Pine Ridge rez), and he wants more pipelines, pipelines everywhere. Well, of course he does, he’s invested in the oil companies, even ETP, which is pushing harder than ever on the DAPL.
And he has shown already how little he thinks of sticking to the laws and judicial process.
Giliell:
Oh yes, laws aren’t applicable to him, and the judicial process is only good for him to use against others. He has court dates for fraud coming up, ffs. I’m still, I, just…fuck.
I think “fuck” is the word of the decade…