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Jun 03 2013

More Christian Love in MRFF’s Email

Another Monday morning, another batch of weekend hate mail to read. Sundays are a big hate mail day, I guess because sending hate mail is the way some “Christians” keep the Sabbath holy. Here’s a lovely message letting us know that one group of “Christians” even spent their weekend retreat praying for people at MRFF to burn in hell:
From: (email address withheld … yes, MRFF even withholds the email addresses of assholes)
Subject: your family and friends will burn first. then you
Date: June 2, 2013 11:14:38 PM MDT
To: Information Weinstein <——@militaryreligiousfreedom.org>


Bought your ‘No Snowflake book’. Right after Fox news reported that Ayatollah Hussein Obama appointed (should we say ‘annointed’?) you to persecute loving Christians in our U.S. armed forces. Burned that book right after reading it all. Spirit of Satan on every single page. Saw how you brought your fellow evildoers Joseph Wilson and Lawrence Wilkerson to your pentagon meeting. Our church is near a large Army base. Our church had a faith retreat this weekend. Many military families among us. You were the main topic. You are a very dangerous man to America, Michael Wienstein. You grow more dangerous every day. Especially to Jesus Christ. We have agreed that you are irredeemable. Now your forcing Christian paintings to be taken down on military bases. The pentagon is very afraid of you even. Of course that is Hussein Obama’s plan. Because if they stand up to you you will sick our Muslim president on them. You have this demonic power of darkness in abundance. Saw the pictures of you and your family in the book. Too bad for you. And worse for them. We prayed at the retreat this weekend that they will surely burn for all time. In the unquechable fires of hell. For your willing sins. John 3:36. Mark9:43. We prayed that Wilson and Wilkerson will also burn in hell for your sins, Michael Weinstien. We prayed that you will be the last to burn. So that you may first experience the divine eternal suffering of your wife, children and Wilson and Wilkerson. Our Lord and Savior has promised us this.  That He will make our prayers for you to witness those you love and care for suffer come true. It is already written. 1 John 5:14-15. Your time draws near. You think all is peaceful and secure for yourself and those you harbor. But there is no escape. 1 Thessaloninas 5:3. You will watch them all burn in chains forged by the Son of Man. And then you will burn, son of satan.

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  1. 1
    Marcus Ranum

    I’m tempted to say that you can tell they’re christians because they’re fucking stupid. But I know correlation doesn’t imply causation and it’s possibly the other way around.

  2. 2
    unbound

    Normally, I would say that all this xtian love is heart warming, but since they are praying for many people to burn, I guess they have that covered…

  3. 3
    janiceintoronto

    It amazes me that their all powerful god can be brought down by a mere human.

    God must really be a wimp…

  4. 4
    Draken

    You grow more dangerous every day. Especially to Jesus Christ.

    He’s a frikkin god for crying out loud. He’s supposed to have created a universe at least 46 billion light years across, a higgs boson which eh, has no real size and everything in between.

  5. 5
    voidhawk

    I don’t know about you, but it would be quite nice to be thought of as powerful by my enemies.

  6. 6
    theschwa

    At least this has better spelling and grammar than most of the email he gets! Praise Jeebus!

  7. 7
    tubi

    So…Mikey is the “son of Satan,” yet if enough wigged out toothless morons pray hard enough, Satan would torture his own son, just like that? Kind of a dick move, really. Of course, there’s precedent.

  8. 8
    Hairy Chris, blah blah blah etc

    I wonder what that said in English….

  9. 9
    Alex Summers

    It must be hard being exposed to this level of hate in emails. I really value you all for keeping a level head and putting on a good face for the sake of public relations and REAL morals =D

    I for one would be releasing the name of the person to the authorities, as this sounds as close to a death threat as one can get without outright saying that they are going to do it. I don’t like how some people use God as a proxy for their hatred or murderous intent.

    This is the type of behavior that should NOT be tolerated. Those that actually committed this “prayer” session are in a way conspirators to commit torture and murder. Veiling it in allegory doesn’t excuse the deed of meeting together, bowing your head and speaking such horrors out loud against individuals. Let alone sending emails like this admitting you have done so.

  10. 10
    wingsthree

    These people are messed up – it’s frightening to think we share the same planet. I’m trying to understand how people can get so completely buried in this crap that they fail to see just how far off the “normal” reservation they are.

  11. 11
    pianoman, Heathen & Torontophile

    Even if you didn’t reply to the hatred in their message, I hope you at least did so to mock their writing skills.

  12. 12
    Kevin

    You know, PZ has a warning that any e-mails containing threats of violence will be published with full identifying information.

    I don’t see how this could possibly be an instance of anything other than an e-mail with threats of violence.

    In short, I think you’re being way too lenient in not “outing” said person.

  13. 13
    Chris Rodda

    @ Kevin … I know that PZ has that policy, but I have to adhere to MRFF’s policies when posting anything to do with MRFF, and, with very few exceptions, that means not publishing identifying information (even if I really, really want to).

  14. 14
    ema

    So that you may first experience the divine eternal suffering of your wife, children and Wilson and Wilkerson. Our Lord and Savior has promised us this. That He will make our prayers for you to witness those you love and care for suffer come true.

    I ask my god for, and my god promises me, a) eternal suffering for another person’s family, and b) assurance that the person will witness his family’s suffering. And I’m allowed out in society unsupervised and unmedicated because why?

  15. 15
    bmiller

    Because He loves you. He loves you and he needs money.

  16. 16
    Trebuchet

    You know, PZ has a warning that any e-mails containing threats of violence will be published with full identifying information.

    I thought of that too, but I’m having a hard time thinking of any time PZ actually did that.

    At least this one lacked the usual anti-Semitism.

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    usna1960

    I would post my replies to these assholes, but then your niece would learn words she doesn’t yet know and your sister would be after me … I have problems enough with clearing the shit and threats from my inbox afterwards … the shit is really the only problem, threats from mental pigmies [with apologies to all pigmies everywhere for the insulting comparison] don’t phase me in the least !

  18. 18
    BCat70

    ” We prayed that Wilson and Wilkerson will also burn in hell for your sins, Michael Weinstien.”

    What. The. Actual. Fuck.

    I am seriously trying to figure out what kind of withered, bitter, horrid, pustules on humanity will actually make a request to have some burned in fire infinitely because of the finite deeds of SOMEONE else.

    - No, grokking this one would damage me in ways I can’t predict.

  19. 19
    bad Jim

    Strictly speaking, this isn’t a threat of violence, because it’s well known – even a matter of law, I believe – that prayers are ineffective.

  20. 20
    billyeager

    Tell me, what’s the difference between:

    We prayed that you will be the last to burn. So that you may first experience the divine eternal suffering of your wife, children and Wilson and Wilkerson. Our Lord and Savior has promised us this.

    and

    We all asked our big and powerful buddy to ensure that he burned your wife, children and friends to death first before setting fire to you. He promised us he’d do it

    Now, clearly, the latter is an illegal threat to actually murder specific people and would be seen as actionable under the law. The first is just, in our opinion, an utterly pathetic dummy-spitting tantrum involving a befuddled man-child screaming about how his imaginary friend is going to ‘get’ you.

    Except, of course, the befuddled man-child concerned actually perceives his statements to be *as* real, if not more so because, hey, his deity buddy is, like, sooooo fricking bad-ass, as the latter illegal threat.

    Therefore this *is* a direct threat of deadly violence and should be responded to as such. After all, it’s only a matter of time before one of these whack-jobs ‘realises’ that their god wants them to carry out his bidding for him. To prove their faith’n'shit.

    The evidence of people committing no end of atrocities ‘on behalf’ of their sky-daddy is never-ending, so threats of sky-daddy fire-torture/death being promised *will* eventually lead to criminal action as a result of this sort of incitement.

  21. 21
    birgerjohansson

    “You have this demonic power of darkness in abundance”

    Weinstein can zap people with lightning, like the Emperor?

    Let me join, dammit!
    — — — — — — — — —
    “Spirit of Satan on every single page”
    they should read those MAD Magazine articles making fun of the religious right. :-)

  22. 22
    Marcus Ranum

    Tell me, what’s the difference between: [...]
    We prayed that you will be the last to burn [...]
    and
    We all asked our big and powerful buddy[...]

    Obviously, the difference is that they don’t actually believe in god. If they actually believed in god, they wouldn’t dare ask such a thing (who in their right mind would want yahweh’s attention? that motherfucker kills everything in his path!) whereas they do believe other people exist. That’s what’s so funny about imprecatory prayers – they’re an implicit admission that the prayer is actually an atheist. They’re just too stupid to realize it.

  23. 23
    mouse

    It always cracks me up that they have the presence of mind to add citations for their rants. “Blah blah blah hate bitterness blah, John 3:16.”

  24. 24
    changerofbits

    *blinks*

    If it weren’t for the borderline legally actionable threats against Mikey’s family, I’d respond to them this way:

    “This email has convinced me to have a death bed conversion and take Christ into my heart. I’ll try to put a good word for you with St Peter, but I’m pretty sure you can’t hide the hate in your heart. I do have pity for your mother; I don’t know how she’ll be able to enjoy herself in heaven with a child in hell.”

  25. 25
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    We prayed that you will be the last to burn. So that you may first experience the divine eternal suffering of your wife, children and Wilson and Wilkerson.

    So .. I guess .. that means you’ll NEVER burn in Hell because how long does an *eternity* last for again?
    Logic – they fail at it.

    Our Lord and Savior has promised us this.

    Ask ‘em to show you that promise in writing maybe? Coz yeah, I don’t think that’s a contract they can enforce somehow.

    Chyaa-aarming little spew of incoherent hatred though.

    It seems to be the so-called extinction scream of Christian love hate.

    Burned that book right after reading it all.

    What has been seen cannot be unseen.

    How very silly and pointless of them. Do they think that’s the only copy or that burning their single copy will make the slightest difference other than showing they’ve thrown away their own money. (They wouldn’t burn a library book would they? If they ever need to quote it, they”ll have to get another copy and pay again.) Like I said before – logic they suck at it.

    You were the main topic. You are a very dangerous man to America, Michael Wienstein. You grow more dangerous every day. ..

    Seems you’ve got them scared then. You’ve worried and troubled them and, try as they might, I reckon they won’t forget that you have made good arguments and points against them in that book – assuming they really did read every page – that they can apparently dismiss not with actual logic or reason or evidence but only with ineffective praying to have you eternally tortured out of their own impotent frustration. Nice work! :-)

    Michael Wienstein. You grow more dangerous every day. Especially to Jesus Christ.

    Sorry to burst your bubble on this one though but I reckon the Roman soldiers and Sanhedrin council at the time probably had the Jesus they’re referring to here a wee bit more worried than some future atheist in a continent Jesus didn’t know existed and a future he’d find hard to imagine. (If he was real at all.) I very much doubt Michael Wienstein worries Jesus. I do think he’s got some of his less pleasant modern followers on the run and ranting and raving and metaphorically messing their pants though!

  26. 26
    Karen Locke

    What I’ve never figured out is the inevitable desire to see the family burn in hell. A Christian might believe that Mikey is beyond help, but why wish hell on his family? Wouldn’t it be more Christian to pray for them to convert?

    Ah, well, I suppose I spent too many years in Catholic school. The Catholics certainly have their own problems, and their leadership is utterly without honor, but I got a huge dose of “love thy neighbor” in school and have never gotten past it. I don’t particularly want to get past it. But it makes me unable to understand vituperative Christians.

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    thebookofdave

    @bad Jim #19

    Strictly speaking, this isn’t a threat of violence

    You’re right. It’s more of a ritual curse, and an unimaginative one, at that. Just look at the prooftexts he cites. Pretty standard “God thinks my shit don’t stink, and says you’re better off dead” fare. He would have made a bigger impression in his rant by picking at random from various Pauline and pseudo-Paul epistles.

  29. 29
    John Allison

    Pleased to see you’re less than worried about the rantings of people who don’t have the intelligence to use toilet paper when wiping their arse.

  30. 30
    Mike Morrison

    LOL!!1

    That’s all….

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