They don’t do anything productive, and are just fanning the flames of a destructive hatred. We have a huge cultural, educational, housing, financial, and essential services problem to fix now because of their rhetoric.
@charliekirk11 It’s time to ban third world immigration, legal or illegal. We’ve reached our limit and we have a huge cultural, educational, housing, financial, and essential services problem to fix now because of it. We need a net-zero immigration moratorium with a ban on all third worlders.
@MattWalshBlog Ban all third world immigration. Legal or illegal. There should be a moratorium on all immigration from the third world. We’ve reached our capacity. We cannot be the world’s soup kitchen anymore.
Meanwhile, the immigrants:
That tells you how ethnically diverse California is. It’s mostly “third-worlders”. Are they proposing to hollow out one of the richest states in the country?
Of course, money isn’t everything.
OK, Matt and Charlie can stay, as long as they are washing dishes or waiting at the Home Depot to provide cheap labor on construction crews. But if they can’t provide the cultural energy of hard-working “third-worlders,” give ’em the boot.
Charlie, Matt, and the MAGAts simply hate.
They hate folks who are different
They hate themselves
They hate this country
There is no migration crisis, not in the US, and not in Europe. What there is, is a techbro billionaire crisis.
I wonder how they define “Third World” and whether say Russia counts as that yet?
I’m guessing they only mean nations with predominately brown and black-skinned human beings somehow though. They’re not particualrly subtle in their racism.
Yet under Trump and his Christofascist Supremacists it seems the United States of America is fast becoming a Third World nation with an unstable, “Banana Republic” style dictator to match..
In Britain, after Brexit the farmers cannot get the seasonal labor to harvest their crops. Brexit was a small lab test of Trumpism.
And do not mix up Trump with Benito. The latter at least had some decent neoclassical monuments built, not like the Trump Tower crap.
Trump is the ‘Temu Mussolini’.
@3,
“it seems the United States of America is fast becoming a Third World nation”
Well that’s the irony isn’t it, American exceptionism always was a fata morgana anyway, but when you look at poverty, health costs, child deaths in maternity, crime, literacy and numeracy, take your pick, the US is probably ranked somewhere between Sudan and Venezuela. China, Japan, Singapore and the Scandinavian countries, to name a few, can’t stop laughing.
The term “third world country” became obsolete in the 1990s. It meant something during the Cold War. Now it’s just a dog-whistle for racism.
rorschach@5–
You make an excellent case for obverse American exceptionalism. And the way things are going, the exceptional outcomes in health, wealth inequality, murders, and education compared to other wealthy countries will soon encompass science, technology, environmental management and economics.
I swear I did once use to know how to spell exceptionalism. :-)
So no more immigration from Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland or Ireland?
Is it though? I mostly see first and second world languages like Chinese, Vitenamese, Tagalog or European languages. The only one from that list that’s purely from a third world country would be Hindi. Of course Mexican Spanish is also from a third world country.
Unspoken with those losers is “But of course my maid/nanny/cook isn’t included.”
“Are they proposing to hollow out one of the richest states in the country?”
THE richest state in the country. California has the fourth largest economy in the world, only surpassed by Germany, China, and the USA.
Also, I am not sure Chinese is more common than Spanish in Santa Clara county. We have a lot of Vietnamese, Filipinos, and Indians among our Asian immigrants, as well. If it true that Spanish has been pushed down to #3, it would be down to our outrageous cost of living pushing out families who have lived here for generations, which is very sad.
No it doesn’t. Japan is number 4 because California isnt a country.
@ ^ lasius : So? Its still in the world isn’t it or did California suddenly get transported to Pluto or some other planet?
Isn’t it supposed to ‘developing’ countries rather than ‘third world’?
I think the term “third world” is biased and obsolete, which is why I always put it in quotes.
@ ^ submoron : FWIW :
(^ So, yeah,. the United States of America for all those categories and ever worseningly so in those areas under its newly installed dictator now. – Ed.)
Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country
The old “Third World” classification and terminology was a Cold War thing (1st world leading Capitlaist “advanced” economies, 2nd Ciommunist..) which only changed, what, back in the 1990’s or so memory serving?
@StevoR
Well if you can count whatever administrative level you want then California’s only number 5, because the EU is number 2.
For those creeps trying to keep the US white, that ship has already sailed.
California is a majority nonwhite state.
No ethnic group is a majority.
Whites make up 34% of the population.
This isn’t that unusual.
Six other states are also now majority nonwhite.
@ ^Okay all those categories except for “open defecation” apply for the USoA & increasingly so under. Trump, Although even there..
Also FWIW : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World
Raven, don’t confuse your terms. “White” is not an ethnic group, but a skin colour.
As long as it keeps voting for Democrats. yes. They hate California.
“American exceptionalism always was a fata morgana anyway”
There have always been bigots who think that certain categories of people are genetically superior. Fuck those people. But, I think it is undeniable that for about two centuries the USA had a culture that nurtured inventiveness better than any other country. Just think about how much of our modern lifestyle is made possible by American inventions: The telegraph, telephone, phonograph, triode vacuum tubes, transistors, integrated circuits, FM radio, electronic television, electric companies, microprocessors, personal computers, the Internet, cell phones, and smart phones. All invented in the USA by people from all walks of life, many of whom were either immigrants or the children of immigrants, and who were primarily motivated by a desire to make life better for everyone. The desire to earn large wealth from their efforts was certainly there, but not usually the driving factor.
The main problem with America today is that we have been subject to a coordinated propaganda war for close to a century by people who believe that possessing money is the only measure of human worth, and who are therefore quite willing to lie, cheat, steal and even kill to obtain money, and they have succeeded in convincing a lot of lower income people that they should feel that way, too. Along the way, they have gnawed away at the structures that allowed poor people to get ahead, or at least not be held back: social welfare programs, secular public education, affordable medical care, environmental protection, even protections against pollution getting into our own bodies are portrayed as either wasteful, or unfair limits on billionaires acquiring even more wealth.
Invented by a Swiss.
Could be attributed to many different people. But for example also to a German.
A German again.
lasius #24
“Invented” is always a charged word. There really are no inventions that aren’t based on inventions and discoveries from others.
However, (from Wikipedia):
“The [Georges-Louis Le Sage] telegraph had a separate wire for each of the 26 letters of the alphabet and its range was only between two rooms of his home.”
The Samuel Morse telegraph used only a single pair of wires, and it easily allowed use of electromechanical relays which allowed for messages to be sent thousands of miles without needing humans to copy and retransmit. AFAIK, this was the only system that had that capability. (My comment).
(Wp again. Entry under “Telephone”):
“Before Bell’s patent, the telephone transmitted sound in a way that was similar to the telegraph. This method used vibrations and circuits to send electrical pulses, but was missing key features. Bell found that this method produced a sound through intermittent currents, but in order for the telephone to work, a fluctuating current reproduced sounds the best. The fluctuating currents became the basis for the working telephone, creating Bell’s patent.”
As for FM radio, I don’t see anything in your linked entry that mentions what Esau did with FM. He may well have come up with some sort of frequency shifting modulation. Whether his system could transmit and receive audio, I can’t tell. But under “FM Broadcasting” Wikipedia says this:
“Invented in 1933 by American engineer Edwin Armstrong, wide-band FM is used worldwide to transmit high-fidelity sound over broadcast radio.”
moarscienceplz @25 beat me to it.
It’s true that Esau was instrumental in developing the VHF part of the spectrum (where the current FM broadcast band exists); but the development of practical FM transmission and receiving circuitry was definitely Armstrong’s work.
@moarscienceplz
Yet Georges-Louis Le Sage built the first electric telegraph, and Reis built a working telephone before Bell and coined the term.
As for the FM radio, that was a translation error on my part. Esau transmitted the first UKW, which is what we now call FM radio in Germany, but is better translated as VHF.
Did you really mean that? Conflating “frequency modulation” with “very high frequency” strikes me as just wrong. For example, the old analog TV channels 2 through 13 in the U.S. are in the VHF part of the spectrum; but the video uses AM, not FM. FM and VHF are completely different things.
Yes. Germany was only alloted VHF channels after the war. So we kept using the term UKW (for VHF) for FN radio in general.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radio#FM_in_Europe
#26
“the development of practical FM transmission and receiving circuitry was definitely Armstrong’s work.”
Yep. He also did much to understand the triode vacuum tube, and he developed the super-heterodyne radio, which in my book makes him a more significant inventor of the radio than Marconi and Lee de Forest combined.
https://medium.com/@mking2k/no-vacancy-1e5eba7e0817
how is it that the USA, allegedly “the world’s richest country” with 26% of global GDP, 9th in PPP GDP per capita( 3.6x global PPP GDP per capita), can’t afford [education], housing, financial, and essential services for its population?
I wonder if these folks think that developed/developing countries is politically correct/woke/DEI/whatever the new thing is, which is why they are (improperly) using ‘Third World’.
“how is it that the USA, allegedly “the world’s richest country” with 26% of global GDP, 9th in PPP GDP per capita( 3.6x global PPP GDP per capita), can’t afford [education], housing, financial, and essential services for its population?”
It can of course afford it, it rather chooses not to actually spend that money on it.
It’s the system there.
Were it to do so (the spending, not the affording), the entire capitalist system of ‘for profit’ essential goods and services would collapse, and the dreaded ‘socialism’ having reared its head would make the USA no longer the best country ever.
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I do note it’s the biggest health spender per capita in PPP international dollars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita
Two things.
One: It irritates me to no end when morons who have only a poor understanding of their native english and likely having no second language, criticize immigrants for their imperfect second language (english).
Two: As a child of the 50s and 60s, I was taught to dispise and look down on the “third world” Countries in Central and South America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East who were ruled by dictators or autocrats and frequently underwent coups and often had rigged or fraudlent elections. At around 20 I began to learn that the state of the “Third World” was a result of the theft of the resources and labor of those countries by the “First World” nations and others. The “Third World” are not asking for “Wellfare” they are owed recompense for the resources that were stolen from them. It starts there.
We are not complicit in the prior evil doings of the world before our existance. We do have a responsibility to repair the historical damage. But we do not have the right to unilaterally determine the reparations required. We have not been uniquely disadvantaged. We hold second chair to the true victims of the imperialist, capitalist history. We do not owe the suffering of what the disadvantged have suffered. For some historical debts it may not be posible to find truly equitablle solution, but to not try is to accept failure, to continue to occupy nepotistic advantages that have little to do with merit.
I’ll be in my hometown, San Francisco, Saturday. Be loud. Be proud. No violence.
“I do note it’s the biggest health spender per capita in PPP international dollars”
and getting worse outcomes…
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-expectancy-vs-health-expenditure
phillipbrown, exactly. The USA is indeed exceptional, when it comes to health care. :|