Give all the fundamentalist Christians a copy of Mel Gibson’s Passion of the Christ, then sit back and wait for them to kill each other. I’m amused that the article calls it a “theological argument”: the guy gets upset at the movie, sees his wife, calls her evil, and tries to strangle her. Yep, that’s a “theological argument” in a nutshell.
(via Andrew Brown)
Dave Godfrey says
Aha, evidence that violent videos cause violence in the watcher. But only if you’re a middle aged fundie.
If anyone doubts that religion can seriously make you complete and utterly delusional and disconnected with reality they must read that article.
Steve LaBonne says
It was all the Devil’s fault! He was in that house that night!
What did she mean when she said she was “anointed by God?” The way I read it, it implies that she thinks she’s somehow different from run-of-the-mill Christians like her husband.
jorge (from BCN - spain) says
Don’t worry, it was the devil who must be blamed for the deeds. This way we can justify every criminal fact we commit. No problem with being phanatical, is a practical thing.
What the heck’s the “God Channel”?
There is such a thing as a ‘God Channel’ hahahaha err… *cries*
“What the heck’s the “God Channel”?”
You can only watch it if you really really believe. It’s frequencies are only accessible to christians who accept the thruth of God and his presence in the television set. Anyone who does not have faith will be blind to the word of God in the tube and will only experience white noise.
Oh, and you need to have cable too.
Barry Leiba says
Similarly, the rift in the Episcopal Church in the US, stemming from the appointment of a gay bishop, is being called a “theological disagreement”. Cow chunks. It’s an administrative issue, not a theological one.
In this case, it’s not theology; it’s insanity.
Of course, there’s but a fine line ‘tween.
Don’t you have a God channel where you’re at? I’ve got at least three. It could be that they’re just using it as a generic term — I call them God channels myself, except for one, which I call the Angry Nun Channel — but I believe there is one in particular that is actually called The God Channel.
Don’t know why he needs a whole channel (let alone several.) That dude hasn’t published a thing in two thousand years.
Fragano Ledgister says
Theological disagreements (over points of doctrine) have been causing Christians to kill each other for the past 1,800 years or so. It has something to do with love, I’m told.
I suspect that when they say they are “anointed by God” they are followers of Calvinism or some somesuch (like Dembski, I recall).
You can only watch it if you really really believe. It’s frequencies are only accessible to christians who accept the thruth of God and his presence in the television set.
And I thought that the Cthulu Channel was just part of my basic cable plan.
That dude hasn’t published a thing in two thousand years.
*chuckle* I guess that tenure can make one omni-complacent.
What was the argument even about? I got no sense of it from the article.
Was it merely over how violently Jesus was treated by the Jews and the Romans? I think Mel Gibson did a good job of portraying what the myth said happened.
P.o.C. II: The Passion of Michael Watson.
I hope they are making up now and enjoying all the attention. The court should have cut off their cable access to the God channels and ordered some Carl Sagan piped in.
Carl: “beellions and beellions.”
Michael: “oh, honey, let’s go upstairs…”
I think the wife should have said “Stop… your hands are dirty” and the resulting upwelling of guilt would have stopped her husband’s assault and compelled him to take a long shower.
Sorry that was a bad Star Wars pun.
Theological argument? Sounds more like a drunken brawl.
I remember hearing a similar conversation between a cop and the owner of a small gas station a few years ago. The cop walked in to get some coffee and complained about how busy he was with domestics. The station owner said, “On Easter?” Turns out spouses tend to brawl about where they are going to have Easter dinner, what they are going to eat, who is going to cook it, and (this particular year), about whether or not to watch ‘The Passion’.
Bob O'H says
I’n tempted to email Northumberland Police and demand that they arrest this Devil fellow: he seems to incite a lot of trouble.
From the article:
Astounding. The depth of ignorance here is genuinely impressive. I’d jump all over it but there’s no point. I can’t possibly add anything to it beyond the statement above.
And people wonder why I think religious people are psychotic.
TorbjÃ¶rn Larsson says
It is impossible to make general rules from an isolated case. But one can speculate.
The way to bet is that separation and behaviour therapy is needed for at least the perpetrator of violence, or it will happen again.
Maybe this is one reason why separation is said to be more common among christian couples – they have something shared that they have invested hugely emotionally in besides their marriage?
And here I thought it was just religiously created naivetÃ©, typically marrying young, and feeling a greater peer pressure to show happiness and stay together…
Maybe one of them wanted to have an S&M session (hence the film as a warm-up) and it all got out of control – rough fucking taken too far :)
Those religious types are always the most twisted.
The Devil? Satan? Religion makes people ignorant.
Steve_C, after reading about how Ed Brayton thinks everyone’s stupider than him, I have to try to be nicer to booga boos. So I’m going to tell you that I think religion preys on the ignorant and keeps them ignorant, down through the generations, rather than making people ignorant. Perhaps some small seed of reason can find purchase in a few, but these few are still full of ignorance (and candy!)
And to think, ABC thought it was too graphic for primetime.
Another thing that we can speculate, TorbjÃ¶rn, in addition to the good points that you raise, is this:
“Sin” and “redemption” (spouse-battering/making up) in addition to being “vicious circle” behaviors that feed each other, also make good media squeaky-wheel stories, and get the public’s attention, whereas the relatively low divorce rate among atheists does not. Just as people “finding God” in prison get the media attention, whereas the miniscule number of atheists in prison, relative to their numbers in society, does not.
Hey, any reporters out there want to report on that?
For those of you who are asking, The God Channel is the main religious broadcaster in the UK.
Gotta love their URL: http://www.god.tv/
Molly, NYC says
Amanda Marcotte has a good post about American fundamentalism; among other things, how it’s morphed over the last few decades from semi-independence into nothing more than a subsidiary of the Republican party.
Don’t know about y’all, but that pretty much shadows my own change of attitude towards fundies over the same time–from the accord I used to give to basically decent people with whom I simply disagreed on many things, to the contempt reserved for people who’d screw “people like me,” or my friends, for the self-righteous pleasure of it with no concept of having done anyone wrong.
This is good stuff.
Blast those Christains
Comment over at Kansas Citzens for Science and tell em as often as possible what pieces of S… Theists are
Andrew Brown says
Well, it has to be said that these two are clearly nuts. That, not theology, is their problem.
Meanwhile in LA, the SWAT team was called out to a pitched battle between rival crack sellers, which turns out to have been caused by a heated philosophical discussion about Eternal Verities, with one faction holding to the Augustinian view and others insisting on a Jungian viewpoint. One participant claimed “It was okay until Ape Dogg brought up Voltaire, then it all went to hell… as you might expect.”
Rey Fox says
“she was unable to speak, but she then managed to say something.”
Signs and wonders!
Thanks for the link, wintermute. Certainly interesting.
Does God make an appearance much? Just wondering.
Well, I wouldn’t say those two wackos are representative of religious people. I just find the idea of planning a “lovely evening” watching The Passion of the Christ to be hilarious. Nice dinner, a little wine, and spending some time together watching a man get tortured and executed. What could be more lovely?
Perfect! “We’re going to have a lovely evening watching JESUS TORTURE PORN!!!”
Gibson’s movie is the most successful snuff film using a major religious icon that has ever been conceived and made.
Kim Boone says
“Don’t you know there ain’t no Devil,
It’s just God when he’s drunk.”
Peter McGrath says
The nights are drawing in, that’s a normal night out in Northumbria. This place is stiff with religiosity. When bird flu starts firing on all four cylinders, it’ll be St Oswald’s tomb (ahem, Northumberland) that cures you of ague, not any of your biosciences. And don’t get me started on Eappa of Jarrow:
“…It was okay until Ape Dogg brought up Voltaire, then it all went to hell… as you might expect.”
oh my dog, that was hilarious QrazyQat. I had a bit of wit germinating but this really beats it hands down.
On a less humorous note (or should I say humourous?), this couple — especially the guy — could use some real therapy if they are going to attempt reconciliation. I hope they opt for more then just a chat with their local priest — sadly, they probably won’t.
The God Channel?
“There was a cross by the side of the road, with big television sets nailed to it, from just before they got real big and flat. It said TUNE IN on the crossbar and TO HIS IMMORTAL DOWNLINK on the upright.”
“He’s in the de-tails,” Sublett said. “You got to watch for him real close.”