So this started with ribose phosphate, glutamine derived ammonia and formate forming a 5-membered ring, then bicarbonate bound a nitrogen and moved to a carbon, aspartate bound the bicarbonate and left its nitrogen behind, another formate bound the same nitrogen as the bicarbonate did before moving and closed a 6-membered ring by binding to the nitrogen. We have a complete purine, IMP.
But IMP is not in DNA or RNA unless made by editing enzymes so this isn’t done. This last stage of purine biosynthesis, stage 5, is 2 parallel sets of 2 reactions that give AMP and GMP. These are equivalent with respect to the origin of life no matter how much I want to make assumptions about which came first. IMP came first if anything, but the surrounding environment may have pushed things towards AMP or GMP (or XMP, below, or things that don’t exist anymore).
I’ll start with AMP synthesis to get the hard part out of the way. The hard part are the P-loops that were mentioned in my last post as one of the oldest groups. I like to write down all of the things and sift out patterns.
Stage 5a.1: aspartate binds again.
Again aspartate is bound by it’s nitrogen, this time to the carbonyl carbon (C=O), and again just a phosphate is needed. More reasons to think about an aspartate accumulation step in molecular evolution. Evolution made things fun and complicated by having a GTP used for this reaction.
The protein that does this is in the A+B3L architecture bin, the P-loop domains-like X bin, and P-loop domains-related homology bin. Finally in the P-loop containing nucleoside triphosphate hydrolases topology bin we find PurA as adenylosuccinate synthetase.
When I click into that topology bin I see why this is the hard one. There are many many P-loop nucleoside triphosphate hydrolases (things that separate parts of nucleotides with water, the phosphates here). It’s worse than the Rossmann domains. And guess what, they might be related.
On the emergence of P-Loop NTPase and Rossmann enzymes from a Beta-Alpha-Beta ancestral fragment. Longo 2020
And that’s what happens when something is an old protein domain, there are lots of kinds in lots of proteins. The following paper is suggestive about the oldest purpose of the P-loops, phosphate control. They looked at P-loops from many proteins and created a minimal fragment that maintains its activity.
They got it down to 8 amino acid residues.
Simple yet functional phosphate-loop proteins. Romero Romero 2018
Another by the group above looking at Rossmans and P-loops looked at the most ancient domains and found phosphate interaction to be the most basic theme.
There’s little more I can do here, phosphate is so basic and widespread in biology that I’ve little trouble believing every use of phosphate can be in these proteins, active site chemistry, mechanical changes to a protein, changing charge, creating or blocking a binding site…
Still some things occur so often on ECOD that they have repeat family bins with increasing numbers and that is worth mentioning. Sulfotransferases show up repeatedly. So do helicases. Bits of molecular motors dynamin, kinesin, myosin… Iron transport and Iron-sulfur cluster binding proteins.
Polyphosphate kinase 2, Ppk2 seems significant since a store of phosphate is needed for all of this. And there are ATP synthase components.
Formyltetrahydrofolate synthase, FTHFS is what cells use to make RNA since it creates the 10-formyl tetrahydrofolate used to make purines.
It took to almost the end of purine biosynthesis for something truly ancient to show up, and that’s ok because all the rest of purine biosynthesis just needed a single phosphate to work. I can imagine primordial phosphate dispensers accumulating and releasing phosphate in ways where that phosphate can do work without needing a compartment in a protein. A mineral compartment could work fine.
Stage 5a.2: aspartate leaves as fumarate. AMP is synthesized.
It’s PurB again, the same as the last post. That was quick, life was lazy and used the same protein to do it again. It’s worth noting that PurB does not remove aspartate as fumerate in arginine biosynthesis (arginosuccinate).
Stage 5b.1: adding water to IMP.
GuaB has 2 domains. The general reaction is adding water to IMP so it has 2 carbonyl groups, making XMP. Xanthosine monophosphate. What is interesting is that it uses niacin which is based on aspartate and has a biosynthesis pathway similar to pyrimidines. The ring is made and then it is put on ribose to make a proton/electron dispenser/acceptor.
TIM barrels
The first domain is in the A/B Barrels architecture bin, the TIM Alpha Beta barrel X group, and TIM Barrels for homology and topology. This is another hard group because there are so many. This is the 3rd ancient family in these posts after the Rossmans and P-loops. A barrel of 8 repeating A/B segments. Once evolution hit on this it did a lot with it.
TIM barrels confuse me. According to one source I found up to 15 different reactions are catalyzed by this family and it’s the shape that seems conserved.
Roles of Specific Peptides in Enzymes. Meroz 2007
Evolution is thought to emphasize the progression from a quarter to a half barrel.
Hidden Sequence Repeats: Additional Evidence for the Origin of TIM-Barrel Family. Ji 2016
So what does shape benefit here? The best I can think of is concentration of things near active sites in that central pore, or multiplication of active sites.
Skip this paragraph if you want to avoid a big list. Significant proteins include: Methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase (makes folate with a 5-methyl), RNAseP, ThiC (makes the big ring of thiamine from purine AIR), Dihydrodipicolinate synthetase (lysine biosynthesis), Quinolinate phosphoribosyl transferase (makes niacin), pyruvate kinase (last step of glycolysis, does a substrate level phosphorylation), glutamate synthase, enolase (glycolysis), Nicotinate phosphoribosyltransferase (adds ribose to the niacin ring), Fructose-bisphosphate aldolase (glycolysis), DAHP synthetase (first step of aromatic amino acid biosynthesis), Type I 3-dehydroquinase (aromatic amino acid biosynthesis), Triosephosphate isomerase (glycolysis, the “TIM” in “TIM barrel”), pterin binding (folate-like), RuBisco large chain (modern photosynthesis carbon acquisition), PdxJ (makes pyridoxal phosphate), ThiG (makes the thiamine 5-membered thiazole ring), Ribulose-phosphate 3 epimerase (makes xylulose phosphate), CO dehydrogenase/acetyl-CoA synthase delta subunit, and lots of things that bind S-adenosyl-methionine.
CBS domain
There is a second domain buried inside of the TIM barrels. This domain is in the “A+B duplicates and obligate multimers” architecture bin, and then the “CBS domain” X, homology and topology bins. According to Interpro CBS domains pair to form single globular domains (called Bateman domains) and GuaB naturally has 2. These domains seem to bind things containing adenylate (adenine) making this a potential regulatory site or a site that binds the adenine of the NAD (niacin) the protein uses to move electrons around.
Stage 5b.2: glutamine provides another ammonia.
GuaA, GMP synthase, works like the other enzymes providing ammonia via glutamine. The ammonia pops off and the phosphate from ATP is used to bind it to the carbon that binds the original carbonyl from IMP. This protein has 3 subdomains.
GATase domain.
This one has been seen before. It’s the GATase1 domain in the Flavodoxin-like bins covered previously. So I’ll refer back to that section.
The next subdomain is new. It’s in the A/B3LS architecture bin, and the “HUP-domain-like” X, homology and topology bins. HUP domains seem to have to do with hydrolysis of the alpha-beta bond of ATP which would leave AMP and diphosphate (the three phosphates of NTPs are labeled alpha, beta, and gamma counting from ribose).
Here’s another list. HUP domains are found in: adenylyl and cytidyl transferases (bind adenosine and cytosine to things, including making niacin). NAD synthase. Glutamine, methionine, lysine, tyrosine, tryptophan, arginine, leucine, isoleucine and valine tRNA synthases. Pantothenate synthase (coenzyme-A), FAD synthase, arginosuccinate synthase, a sacrificial sulfur transferase (LarE, the protein has to be regenerated before it works again), universal stress protein (USP), an Na/Cl/K cotransporter, asparagine synthase, ThiI (thiamine biosynthesis), electron transfer flavoprotein domain, Phosphoadenosine phosphosulfate reductase (PAPS), ATP-sulfurylase and (makes APS which becomes PAPS).
Alpha-lytic protease prodomain-like.
Alpha-lytic protease prodomain is a part of a protein that cuts proteins (protease) that has to be removed before it is active (prodomain). But beyond that GuaA might not be related to anything else in there, it’s in its own homology bin all by itself and is listed as a dimerization domain (so 2 of these proteins interact) making this part done.
And that is it for part 5. Hopefully when I was looking in bins I didn’t ignore anything important. I have 1 more post that puts all of this in a larger context.
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The connection between the ancient P-loop architecture and the fundamental need for phosphate control really puts the complexity of modern nucleotide synthesis into perspective. It’s fascinating that such a complex process like purine biosynthesis can be traced back to such minimal, functional fragments like those 8-residue loops. That Longo paper is definitely going on my reading list to better understand how those basic beta-alpha-beta motifs managed to branch out into so many diverse protein families.
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Honestly, this was such a good read. I really liked how you didn’t just stay on the surface but actually explained the thinking behind it. You don’t see that kind of depth in blogs very often. Thanks for writing this.
This was a solid read. I like how you got straight to the point but still left me with something to think about. Feels rare to come across a blog post that’s simple and thoughtful at the same time. Thanks for putting this out there.
This is a fascinating deep dive into purine biosynthesis! Your analysis of the biochemical pathways really sheds light on how complex and interconnected these processes are. As someone who’s worked in biochemistry, I appreciate your clarity.
The focus on how IMP serves as a central hub before branching into AMP and GMP really highlights how complex the origins of these pathways must have been. It’s fascinating to see the connection between the P-loop NTPases and those ancient, minimal ancestral fragments; the idea that such a vital, complex function could trace back to a simple 8-residue phosphate-binding motif is mind-blowing.
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This is a fascinating deep dive into purine biosynthesis! It’s incredible to see the detailed breakdown of each stage and the connections to ancient protein domains.
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I love how organized and detailed this is. Very informative!
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Thanks for the deep dive into purine biosynthesis! I liked how you traced the ring formation from ribose phosphate and glutamine, and the parallel AMP/GMP steps. It makes the link to thiamine and histidine pathways clear.
Interesting read on how purine biosynthesis builds from ribose phosphate, glutamine ammonia, and formate, then branches to AMP and GMP. I liked the note about IMP not being directly in DNA/RNA unless edited.
I really enjoyed reading about the step‑by‑step build‑up of the purine ring from ribose phosphate, glutamine ammonia and formate. The way aspartate and bicarbonate shuffle nitrogens was especially clear, and linking it to thiamine and histidine pathways made the big picture click.
Interesting read on how purine biosynthesis builds from ribose phosphate, glutamine ammonia, and formate, linking to thiamine and histidine pathways, then splits into AMP and GMP. The explanation of the ring‑forming steps was clear and engaging.
Interesting read on how purine biosynthesis builds from ribose phosphate and glutamine, linking to thiamine and histidine pathways. I liked the clear step‑by‑step description of the ring formations and the parallel AMP/GMP final stage.
Interesting read on how purine biosynthesis builds from ribose phosphate to AMP and GMP. I liked the detail about the parallel steps and the connection to thiamine and histidine pathways. Thanks for sharing!
Nice overview of purine biosynthesis! I liked how you traced the ring formation from ribose phosphate and formate, and explained the parallel AMP/GMP steps. The connection to thiamine and histidine pathways was a cool touch.
I enjoyed reading about how purine biosynthesis builds step‑by‑step from ribose phosphate and simple molecules, forming those 5‑ and 6‑membered rings. The parallel routes to AMP and GMP made me think about early metabolic flexibility.
Thanks for the detailed walk‑through of purine biosynthesis! I loved how you traced each step from ribose phosphate to the parallel AMP/GMP branches and linked it to early life chemistry. Very clear and thought‑provoking.
the detailed tracing of the purine biosynthesis pathway, especially the transition from imp to amp and gmp, is methodical. the connection drawn to ancient p-loop domains and their proposed role in phosphate control adds a compelling evolutionary dimension. the references to recent studies help ground the speculation in current research. it’s a dense read, but the step-by-step logic is clear.
I used to think of purine biosynthesis as a strict, linear pathway, so seeing it framed through broader relational patterns with other proteins is refreshing. It makes me wonder if this kind of comparative network view could simplify how we teach these metabolic connections in introductory biochemistry courses.
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This deep dive into purine biosynthesis Stage 5 is absolutely fascinating! The way you’ve traced the parallel pathways from IMP to AMP and GMP, and the evolutionary connections to thiamine and histidine pathways, is genuinely mind-blowing. The analysis of P-loop NTPases as one of the oldest protein domains — with their minimal functional fragment of just 8 amino acid residues — really puts into perspective how ancient and fundamental phosphate chemistry is to life. The TIM barrel discussion is particularly compelling; the idea that this architecture emerged from quarter-barrel to half-barrel progression and then diversified into 15+ different catalytic functions is a beautiful example of evolutionary tinkering.
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That observation about GuaA’s HUP domain and its connection to tRNA synthetases and NAD/FAD biosynthesis really highlights the deep evolutionary relationships between nucleotide metabolism and the rest of central metabolism. Can’t wait for Part 6 where you put it all in the larger context. Thanks for this incredible series — Primate Chess continues to be one of the most intellectually rewarding reads in the biosphere!
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Your breakdown of the P-loop families and their relation to purine synthesis is fascinating—especially how you trace the parallel paths to AMP and GMP. It really highlights how convoluted molecular evolution can be, and I appreciate the clarity on aspartate’s repeated role. I’m not a biochemist, but these structural insights make the origin-of-life questions more tangible. Speaking of pixel-perfect structures, I’ve also been looking for a simple way to generate little square avatars for my science discussion forums, and I found that creates them easily without any signup. It’s nice to have a small visual identity when posting in comment sections, even on a deep topic like this one.
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This was a great walkthrough of a dense pathway. The progression from ribose phosphate, glutamine-derived ammonia, and formate forming the 5-membered ring, through bicarbonate and aspartate additions, to the closed 6-membered ring that gives IMP really highlights how modular purine biosynthesis is. Your point that “IMP came first if anything, but the surrounding environment may have pushed things towards AMP or GMP” makes me wonder whether prebiotic chemistry could have energetically favored one branch over the other, or whether the split only became meaningful once proteins took over catalysis.
The section on stage 5a.1—where “aspartate binds again” to the carbonyl carbon and GTP is consumed—clarifies why you called AMP synthesis the hard part. The fact that PurA, adenylosuccinate synthetase, hides inside
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I really enjoyed this step-by-step reconstruction of how the purine ring gets built. Your description of the early chemistry—ribose phosphate, glutamine-derived ammonia, and formate forming the 5-membered ring, then bicarbonate shifting to a carbon and aspartate leaving its nitrogen behind—makes the whole pathway feel like a logical puzzle rather than a list of enzyme names. And closing the 6-membered ring with another formate binding the same nitrogen the bicarbonate used is one of those elegant details that’s easy to miss in a standard textbook diagram.
The branching from IMP to AMP and GMP is where it gets really interesting. You note that IMP likely came first, and that the environment may have pushed things toward AMP, GMP, or even now-vanished intermediates. That ambiguity is refreshing. The part I kept returning to was Stage 5a.1, where aspartate binds again to the carbonyl carbon and a GTP is required. The fact that PurA lands in the P-loop NTPase topology bin explains why you called it the hard part. With so many P-loop hydrolases out there, separating true homology from convergence seems nearly impossible.
The Romero-Romero 2018 paper you cite is especially striking: an 8-residue phosphate-loop fragment that still shows activity. That really supports your framing of P-loops as ancient phosphate-control modules. And the Longo 2020 suggestion that P-loop NTPases and Rossmann enzymes might both descend from a Beta-Alpha-Beta ancestral fragment makes me wonder whether we’re looking at two divergent solutions to the same primordial nucleotide-handling problem.
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One question: do you think the minimal P-loop fragment points more toward an RNA-world phosphate-transfer ancestor, or does the Rossmann connection make a shared Beta-Alpha-Beta ancestor for nucleotide metabolism more likely? I’d love to see that comparison explored in a future post.
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this detailed breakdown of the final stages of purine biosynthesis is quite thorough. the focus on the p-loop domains and their ancient, fundamental role in phosphate interaction is a compelling point. it’s interesting to see the evolutionary connection drawn between p-loop ntphydrolases and rossmann domains, suggesting a very deep shared ancestry. the references to the minimal functional fragments in the cited papers add a concrete layer to the discussion of molecular evolution.
What a satisfying payoff to this series — watching IMP get assembled piece by piece (ribose phosphate, glutamine-derived ammonia, formate closing the 5-membered ring, bicarbonate shuttling from nitrogen to carbon, aspartate leaving its nitrogen behind) and then realizing the cell still isn’t done with it. Your point that IMP “is not in DNA or RNA unless made by editing enzymes” is a great reminder that the pathway’s endpoint isn’t the biopolymer itself, but a branching intermediate. I also appreciate your intellectual honesty about AMP vs. GMP — refusing to assume which came first just because it’s narratively convenient is exactly the kind of discipline origin-of-life discussions need.
The P-loop section was the highlight for me. The Romero Romero 2018 result you cited — boiling a P-loop down to just 8 amino acid residues while retaining activity — is genuinely striking. If phosphate binding is truly the “oldest purpose” of these folds, that reframes a lot of the Rossmann/P-loop relationship debates. The Longo 2020 paper you linked suggesting both emerged from a shared beta-alpha-beta ancestral fragment fits neatly with that picture: an ancient fragment optimized for phosphate handling, later elaborated into the dizzying diversity of NTP hydrolases you describe as being “worse than the Rossmann domains.”
One question that’s nagging at me: if the minimal P-loop fragment is functional, has anyone tested it in a reconstructed, stepwise version of the PurA (adenylosuccinate synthetase) reaction environment — i.e., does the 8-residue fragment show any specificity toward the aspartate-bound intermediate, or is it purely generic phosphate binding? That might help distinguish whether the ancestral role was metabolic catalysis versus just nucleotide/phosphate sequestration.
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Thanks for this detailed walkthrough of stage 5, especially the P-loop and TIM barrel context around PurA and GuaB. The phosphate-control angle helped me connect IMP to AMP/GMP conversion more clearly. I found a nice visual explainer on minuteCryptic that made the parallel AMP/GMP steps easier to follow alongside your post.
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Thanks for this detailed walkthrough of stage 5, the way you trace AMP and GMP synthesis back through P-loops and TIM barrels really helps make sense of such a dense pathway. I especially liked the point about phosphate handling being such an ancient theme that shows up everywhere. Working through complex patterns like this reminds me of puzzle solving — lately I’ve been unwinding with word500, which similarly rewards recognizing small repeating patterns to solve the bigger picture.
Thanks for this detailed walkthrough of stage 5, especially the contrast between PurA/PurB for AMP and GuaB/GuaA for GMP. The part about minimal 8-residue phosphate-loops and TIM barrels as concentration scaffolds really clarified why phosphate handling shows up everywhere. I was comparing notes with a summary I found on pinpointtodayanswer and your explanation of HUP-domain ATP hydrolysis tied the pieces together much better.
Fascinating breakdown of stage 5, especially the P-loop minimal fragment work and the TIM barrel evolution part. The way you traced IMP to AMP/GMP with PurA/PurB and GuaB/GuaA really clarifies the phosphate handling theme. I was testing pattern memory with songfinderbylink and it reminded me how repetition helps map complex pathways like these. Thanks for collecting the Longo 2020 and Romero 2018 references in one place.
Thank you for this thorough walkthrough of stage 5 of purine biosynthesis. Your explanation of the P-loop NTPases and the TIM barrel section for GuaB really helped clarify how AMP and GMP diverge from IMP. I was comparing notes on phosphate handling while reading via queensanswer and your point about minimal phosphate-binding fragments makes the ancient phosphate-dispenser idea much more intuitive.
Thanks for walking through stage 5 so carefully, the part about the 8-residue phosphate-loop fragment and the TIM barrel pore really stood out. I was trying to picture how concentration near the active site could work and sketched some diagrams for my notes using aianimewallpaper for background visuals, which actually helped me follow the AMP vs GMP branches more clearly. Curious if you think phosphate handling alone could have preceded the full barrel architecture?
this detailed breakdown of the final steps in purine biosynthesis is helpful, especially the focus on the aspartate accumulation step and the evolutionary significance of the p-loop domains. the connection drawn between p-loop ntphydrolases and rossmann domains, referencing longo 2020, provides a clear perspective on the deep evolutionary origins of these protein folds. the mention of the minimal functional fragment from romero 2018 is a particularly concise way to illustrate the core function.
The breakdown of the modular evolutionary steps from IMP to AMP and GMP is really illuminating, especially the part about the ancient P-loop architecture and phosphate control. Seeing how conserved structures like TIM barrels and HUP domains get repurposed across different enzymatic functions really highlights how economical nature is with functional protein folds. Thanks for putting together such a detailed series on purine biosynthesis!
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The breakdown of Stage 5 and the evolutionary trajectory of ancient domains like P-loops and TIM barrels is really well explained here. The insight regarding minimal functional phosphate-binding fragments in P-loops and how such basic motifs diversified into essential nucleotide synthesis machinery is especially intriguing. Looking forward to reading Part 6 to see how the whole picture comes together.