OK … I want this spread FAR and WIDE!
Rick Green of WallBuilders, David Barton’s radio show co-host, posted a post on his website saying: “If you can show me specifics that back up the image created by the critics innuendo, I’ll post it right here for the world to see.”
Link to Rick Green’s post: http://www.rickgreen.com/
I just posted a comment on Rick Green’s post accepting his challenge, which, as you can see in the image below, is currently “awaiting moderation.” I want it known EVERYWHERE that I accepted Green’s challenge.
Anyone who can help spread this through social media, other blogs, etc., please do it. Thanks in advance.
UPDATE: Rick Green has clearly been on his blog post since I submitted my comment, shown by the screen capture below of him responding to another comment. So there is no question that he has seen my comment, but it has not yet been approved and posted.
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MikeMa
August 11, 2012 at 5:25 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Yeah, Chris!
nobody
August 11, 2012 at 5:34 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Yeah, but they’re looking for serious arguments.
I kid. Rock on.
Michael Heath
August 11, 2012 at 5:54 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
I posted there as well, noting Chris Rodda taking up the challenge.
Michael Heath
August 11, 2012 at 6:03 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Rick Green posted a comment in the subject blog post about one hour after Chris Rodda posted her comment which went straight to moderation.
Chris Rodda
August 11, 2012 at 6:10 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Saw that, Michael … just updated my post with a screen capture of it as you were posting your comment.
Brett McCoy
August 11, 2012 at 6:11 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
I suspect there are a great many comments that have been kept in the moderation queue.
YankeeCynic
August 11, 2012 at 6:23 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Pathological ignoring of facts? Check.
Unironic references to rightwing boogiemen? Check.
Refusal to actually address criticisms? Check.
Par for the course, really.
Kyle V
August 11, 2012 at 7:27 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
I can see Green rationalizing to himself that you’re trying to sell/promote your book in your comment, and using that as justification for not approving it.
Chris: Instead of saying “I have a book that explains everything”, could you do a series of short blog posts to specifically cite and debunk claims in this Barton book? If he wants specifics, give him specifics (rather than a link to an enormous scholarly work). Heck, turn it into a blog series. Pick a claim from Jefferson Lies and respond to it, restricting yourself to maybe 1000 words. Then we can all say, “Here’s a specific claim that is unsubstantiated and why.” We can get a viral effect going if we can link to a blog post or series. We can’t do that with your book; many of the people that need to hear the truth don’t have the time/will to read your book.
Help us help you. Provide us with a blog-length rebuttal of a specific claim that anyone can read in 10 minutes. Do that a few times, and we can spread the word and get people to read it.
Chris Rodda
August 11, 2012 at 7:45 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Kyle V … The link in my post on Green’s blog is to a FREE PDF download of my book. I’m not asking anybody to buy anything.
As for a quick post debunking something, I did post a good one from Barton’s Jefferson book to show just how incredible and deliberate his taking quotes out of context is:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/rodda/2012/05/13/how-big-of-a-liar-is-david-barton-you-aint-even-gonna-believe-this-one/
Right now, I don’t have time to blog any more than I absolutely have to. My priority is getting my book done so that my full rebuttal of Barton’s book is out there. So, people are just going to have to use whatever I’ve already got out there (which is quite a bit) for now. But I think the link I just provided above is the best one to use because it’s specifically from the Barton book in question.
jaranath
August 11, 2012 at 8:48 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
I’m immensely grateful for the good work you’ve done on Barton, and I understand you may be too constrained by your schedule right now, but I agree with Kyle V: They’ll use this as an excuse to dismiss you. Free distribution is a modern promotional tactic even when the artist or author intends to make money. I have no idea how effective it is, but that’s not my point; the point is, people do it all the time. And even if you have zero profit motive, they’ll claim you’re selling “An Agenda” and do a lot of general ad hominem.
I’m also reminded of the recent sparring between Carl Zimmer and the DI; in that instance “read our book” was as specific as they ever got.
I don’t think they ever would have treated you fairly no matter how much you catered to their possible demands. They’ll seize on every excuse and smokescreen they possibly can. I just think this is one of the more obvious ones.
TxSkeptic
August 12, 2012 at 12:21 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Oh yea? Like you’re going to actually change his mind with facts and evidence. There you go, thinking logically and rationally again.
remember the old adage “You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into”
Jafafa Hots
August 12, 2012 at 1:23 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Well, there are pro-barton comments that are dated and appear after my comment, which is in moderation.
My comment was not rude or anything.
So (like I have to tell you) this guy is only approving comments out of moderation that fit the narrative he wants told.
Pinky
August 12, 2012 at 2:59 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
I read Rick Green’s blog and, as usual after reading that type of blog, I was flabbergasted at the prevarication and circular reasoning.
Green’s constant use of innuendos as he tries to poison the well against valid critics of David Barton who Green says use innuendos to poison the well against Burton’s concocted quotes of founding fathers in his effort to convince followers of the US being a Christian nation.
I had to close my eyes and wait for the room to stop spinning after writing that last paragraph. Especially after experiencing the same, only much stronger, symptoms after reading Rick Green’s blog.
With all the spin Green’s nattering produces he may have mastered the mechanics of
zero-point-energy. If his writings were harnessed their “free energy” could drive a new era of perpetual-motion.
I wrote a comment to Mr. Green’s blog asking him to “Present the controversy so readers can see and judge both sides.” Its a trite phrase, but his readers are well conditioned to respond to such whistle words.
Any bets on if my comment will escape Green’s awaiting-moderation purgatory.
Jafafa Hots
August 12, 2012 at 8:46 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
He’s let some comments out of moderation, but not mine.
I was polite, I was not snotty.
At least not any snottier than HE is.
I mentioned Chris’ acceptance politely and wondered if he would allow it through moderation.
The only bad thing I can possibly see in my comment is that I ended it by parroting the phrase HE used.
“Waiting, waiting.
Bueller, Bueller?”
I guess that made my comment too rude to let through.
NateHevens
August 12, 2012 at 9:09 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Posted on Facebook and tweeted. I get little, if any, traffic on my blog, but I’ll reblog this there anyways…
Every little bit helps, right?
NateHevens
August 12, 2012 at 10:20 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
I’ve reblogged it here.
Hope it helps…
david29073
August 13, 2012 at 1:27 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
And for grins and giggles, I posted on Mr. Greens blog the following: Which is ALSO awaiting moderation…oh joy!!!
David29073 on Your comment is awaiting moderation. August 13th, 2012 10:14 am
I have been following David Barton and “the Jefferson Lies” for quite some time now, and have read the criticism by Warren Throckmorton. I find those criticisms valid. I could begin by refuting David Barton’s claim about there NOT being a wall between church and state,(http://myloc.gov/exhibitions/creatingtheus/billofrights/billofrightslegacy/exhibitobjects/jeffersonreaffirmsseparation.aspx) but I doubt that you are going to even post this. I will say this, Mr. Throckmorton has written a point by historical point rebuttal to Mr. Barton’s presentation of history.
I also have a question, why was Mr. Barton’s book pulled from Thomas Nelson publishing?? Couldn’t be because of this:“in the course of our review learned that there were some historical details included in the book that were not adequately supported.” (http://wthrockmorton.com/2012/08/09/thomas-nelson-pulls-david-bartons-the-jefferson-lies/) Just Asking??
david29073
August 13, 2012 at 1:37 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Oh…geee…my comment is no longer on the blog…wonder why that is??? Something about be confronted with the truth…or am I looking in the wrong place???
david29073
August 14, 2012 at 5:07 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Well Well, I did get posted on Greens Blog, and you, Miss Rodda, have support that was also published on the blog, right below mine. Guess this is not over. Today, Scott Lively published a defense of Barton and a scathing attack on Throckmorton,(http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/newsarchives.php?id=8239619) and it gets better, Bryan Fisher, that starlet upstanding non hateful Christen had a discussion with Barton about Throckmorton.(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxM5OEo9HUo&feature=plcp) It’s going to get interesting. I stay posted and see if I can update as I do my due diligence.
aliceron1
October 21, 2012 at 1:10 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
nice post……
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