Well, that’s going to ruin the weekend

No thank you. No meaty beer for me.

Larry Kudlow, a Fox Business host and former Trump economic advisor, raged against the idea of “plant-based beer” on his Friday-night show and falsely claimed that President Joe Biden’s climate plan would require Americans to give up meat.

“Get this: America has to stop eating meat, stop eating poultry, fish, seafood, eggs, dairy, and animal-based fats,” Kudlow said. “OK, you got that? No burgers on July 4. No steaks on the barbie. I’m sure middle America is just going to love that. Can you grill those Brussels sprouts?

“So get ready: You can throw back a plant-based beer with your grilled Brussels sprouts and wave your American flag. Call it July 4 green,” Kudlow said.

“Now, I’m making fun of this because I intend to make fun of it. This kind of thinking is stupid,” he added. “It comes from a bunch of ideological zealots who don’t care one whit about America’s well-being. Not one whit.”

None of his claims are true.

Yes, you can grill Brussels sprouts. They’re quite good.

The big news for him is that all beer is plant- (and fungi-) based. A meat-based beer sounds remarkably unpleasant. If Larry and Kid Rock want to try it, though, I wouldn’t stop them.

Larry Kudlow is a lying moron…a typical Republican, I guess. He said this two years ago — has anyone seen any hint of a steak ban?


  1. dangerousbeans says

    There were some cider recipes that call for adding a leg of lamb. I never tried it, seemed a bit unnecessary.
    There’s also isinglass which is a fish byproduct used in brewing

  2. hemidactylus says

    Pretty sure some stouts have milk in them or at least lactose: https://www.americancraftbeer.com/what-the-hell-is-a-milk-stout/

    I’ve had some milk stouts and they are pretty good.

    Since everything is good with bacon:

    I’ve never had bacon stout, but I can’t imagine not liking it. Gotta be better than IPA.

    Beer isn’t necessarily vegan:

    But listed as vegan beers:
    “Budweiser and Bud Light

    Yet: “Though there are exceptions, certain types of beer typically aren’t vegan, including:

    Cask ales. Otherwise known as real ales, cask ales are a traditional British brew that often use isinglass as a fining agent.

    Honey beers. Some breweries use honey for added sweetness and flavor. Any beer with “honey” in the name is likely not vegan.

    Meads. Mead is a beer-like alcoholic beverage made by fermenting honey.

    Milk stouts. Though vegan alternatives exist, milk stouts usually contain whey or lactose.” [sources omitted]

  3. wzrd1 says

    I’m entirely for preparing a meat based beer for him. It’ll be the purest culture of clostridium botulinum ever made, only the best!
    While he’s enjoying the paralytic toxin, please pass the grilled Brussels sprouts.

    If memory serves, isn’t isinglass fish swim bladder and used as a clarifier?

    @2, can’t blame them. Hens aren’t very annoying, cocks, well, they crow at everything. Sunrise, crow, sunset, crow, rains, crow, stops raining, crow, wind blows, crow, snore off key, crow. Epic, opening an airplane cargo bin and hearing a cock crow. No notification of live animals and trust me, hell was raised, as by law live animal alerts are made to expedite offloading of live animals. Heard over the roar of the nearby APU exhaust, hearing protection, ground equipment and operating aircraft.
    Alerted the lead, who alerted management, while we changed priority in offloading. My understanding is that the folks in the freight warehouse were in a very fowl mood that night.

    Oh, there is indeed a steak ban. In my kitchen and table. Not terribly fond of beef. Pork, lamb, fowl, fish, tons of veggies, no beef, thank you.
    And for the record, I bought a bunch of Brussels sprouts today.
    Greens keep one regular, rather than constipated and utterly full of shit, while suffering from diarrhea of the mouth. What’s sad is, idiots will constipate their brain and believe that shit.
    Still, why does he hate farmers so?

  4. John Morales says

    Such trepidation!

    “A similar recipe was printed in 1739 in The Compleat Housewife:

    Take ten gallons of ale, and a large cock, the older the better; parboil the cock, flay him, and stamp him in a stone mortar till his bones are broken (you must craw and gut him when you flay him); then put the cock into two quarts of sack, and put it to three pounds of raisins of the sun stoned, some blades of mace, and a few cloves; put all these into a canvas bag, and a little before you find the ale has done working, put the ale and bag together into a vessel; in a week or nine days time bottle it up; fill the bottle but just above the neck, and give the same time to ripen as other ale."

  5. hemidactylus says

    Brandon better not take away my milk stout or remove bacon beers before I get a chance to try one! Damn him.

    A good selfish reason to cut back on or eliminate most animal products is that it is a health- conscious thing to do. The benefit to the environment could be construed as an unintended consequence if it makes them feel better. I still like some salmon and some blue cheese. Grilled Brussels sprouts sounds wonderful! You can’t go wrong with Brussels sprouts, the bacon of vegetables.

  6. xohjoh2n says

    Eeesh. Yes, beer uses finings to clarify it and sometime that is animal based, such as isinglass. It’s not mandatory, but it is enough for some vegetarians and vegans to distinguish it. So there are indeed “vegetarian” and “non-vegetarian” beers. It’s an actual thing. Does this weird GOP guy in your weird country really understand this? Dunno, don’t really care. But it is in fact a really real thing, which I don’t really care about but if you’re saying you’re on that side of the fence then it’s something you are claiming you actually care about.

  7. wzrd1 says

    Oh, it gets better. A University of Michigan study, never mentioned or likely read by Biden, mythically is now official policy that’s utterly unannounced and rectally procured percentages of meat allowed are unannounced laws now.
    I imagine next week, he’ll tell all how Biden blew up the world, which made the sun blow up, destroying the universe and Biden needs to be arrested and imprisoned for destroying the universe.

    The best part of Larry Kudlow stayed inside his father’s condom.

  8. chrislawson says

    Now you can even find meat-free rice in supermarkets. Wokeness is destroying everything!

  9. Akira MacKenzie says

    Plant. Based. Beer.

    (Takes a long deep breath)

    I give up. I fucking give up. I don’t care anymore. Global warming. Fascists. Economic collapse. Just let it come. A species this stupid deserves to wipe itself out. We had our shot, but we fucked it all up.

    Just kill us all now.

  10. hemidactylus says

    I’m not gonna go too down the rabbit hole of figuring out what is going on inside the head of a Fox dingbat, but I have some trouble parsing what Kudlow means by “plant-based beer”. It is in the context of an unhinged rant about them taking our god-given meats away from us. Maybe he’s acknowledging beer is plant-based and pairing it with Brussels sprouts. I can’t see him promoting beef beer solely from this rant. But as salads are usually plant based (except tuna salad) beers are plant-based too but both beers and salads can have animal products in them alongside the plant stuff. Dairy is sometimes in both and though rare bacon winds up in beer. I don’t know if Kudlow had bacon beer in mind during his rant, though I can’t get it out of mine. Maybe he was thinking of red meat chunks in beer or ignorant that the main ingredients in beer are plant based. His rant is so hyperbolic it’s hard to say.

  11. Steve Morrison says

    Re Brussels sprouts: I usually roast them with olive oil and hickory smoked salt (apple wood smoked salt works too).

  12. skybluskyblue says

    Vulture bee honey is edible. Since honey can be used to make alcohol I wonder if vulture bee honey could assist the meat-only crowd? I’m not sure if beer is possible but maybe mead?[I know nothing about beer etc.]

    I’m just playing around here I dont want vulture bees to have their hives disrupted.

  13. says

    Technically not all beer is vegan. It’s all plant based But some beers are clarified with isinglass, derived from fish, or gelatin. They’re pretty rare though. It does remind me of a story I heard from one of Stone Brewing’s (Arrogant Bastard) brewers. He said they can’t filter with diatomaceous earth because DE is the fossilized remains of diatoms and they were animals and the owner is vegan. I look forward to our favorite biologists smacking the keyboard with their foreheads after that one.

  14. dangerousbeans says

    Meads. Mead is a beer-like alcoholic beverage made by fermenting honey.

    From hemidactylus quote @4
    Saying mead isn’t a vegan beer is not wrong, but it’s a bit like saying wine is not a soft cheese

  15. wzrd1 says

    @10, it’s worse! Why, the commies have turned wheat and barley into plant based products, rather than proud Texan beef!
    Next thing you’ll know, they’ll stop making tuna out of beef!

    @13, I both steam and roast my Brussels sprouts. Depends on my mood or maybe the wind direction or something. Whichever way “feels good” for that meal and gets them into the cavern I refer to as my stomach.

    Ray, does that owner also insist upon vegan chalk? Vegan concrete, given it’s limestone based?

  16. microraptor says

    IIRC, the Mongols had an alcoholic drink made from fermented horse milk.

  17. StevoR says

    @ ^ microraptor : Yup! Koumiss :


    Pretty sure some other cultures have similar beverages too?

    FWIW Got a couple of cans of Chocolate Stout (Piratelife company) in my fridge right now..


    I had expected Repubg pollies to be willfully ignorant of a great many things but the main ingrediant for making beer really wasn’t one of them. Wow.

  18. StevoR says

    PS. The festishisng of meat and its consumption as somehow especially “manly” by the cons really gives toxic masculinity a whole other layer given the known health impacts of excessive meat consumption..

    Suspect Barthes would have a field day here ..

  19. wzrd1 says

    I know! Their goal is Soylent Alcohol, distilled people.
    Alas, that’d only work with Dean Martin.

  20. Rich Woods says

    @hemidactylus #4:

    But listed as vegan beers:
    “Budweiser and Bud Light”

    These might be vegan but they’re surely not beer.

  21. microraptor says

    StevoR @20: I bet Jordan Peterson could say a thing or two about excessive meat consumption.

  22. wzrd1 says

    Having imbibed one of those brands within the past week, decidedly not beer.
    It’s the pasteurized, homogenized, pale watered down version of beer.
    Real beer comes from pretty much anywhere else than the US. Hell, most city and town beers in Russia are better.
    Although, I can neither confirm, nor deny ever tasting such, it was a fair bit better, were I ever to have existed.

    The US has a number of statutes, many of which are derived from prohibition. My own state has a state store system, designed to make ethanol as difficult as possible to obtain, but governor’s order upon repeal of prohibition.
    And link in health code hijacked in, requiring pasteurization of beer.
    Which only one German brewery agreed to. The rest are Czech or other nations. The former, notable for, oh, Bud…

    First lesson in ethanol beverages, current yeasts halt around 12% ethanol. One adds in ethanol to get higher, such as port wines. Lower, well, wine averages around 12% ethanol.
    US beer, a lot lower. But, German beer, well, we used to prepare for a newbie in Germany that wanted to drink up a six pack. Double impact unexpectedly, predictable results. Rope around the heel, drag the Knight from the field of honor.
    That all never really impacted me, as I’ve always preferred spirits, so, tolerance to a much higher dosage.
    Currently, I could drink Marvel Comics Thor under the table.
    But, drinking a consomme that’s allowed to ferment? I’d rather screw a wood chipper, as that’s precisely the culture mixture to make C. botulinum . Spores of which are ubiquitous in the environment. I know, I accidentally cultured the frigging things and had to incinerate them and a fair bit of exposed equipment to avoid contamination.
    Fixed an error and got my pneumococcus culture. Nearly got expelled over it.
    And figured out that blood agar worked better in a much more aerated environment.

    Learned that in junior high school.
    High school had superior equipment and electron microscopes at the time.
    The school system got GOP and fixed that problem, eliminating both our microscopes and telescopes. And chemicals for chemistry class, using M&M’s as a substitute.

    Started out loathing organic chemistry, avoiding it at all costs, coached one child through it when she was in college.
    Inorganic is easier, especially for solvents, oxidizers and fuels.
    But, did help me understand a fair bit of pharmacology.

    And botulism is the stated goal of the idiot speaking.

    And I still remember how to work a 1960’s TEM, know the electronics well, know the theory and practices on SEM and can apply them. At heart, they’re only vacuum tubes, guide the electrons well.
    A lesson from tetrodes.
    Although, fungi are of some interest, due to ravages in my garden.

  23. wzrd1 says

    If you say so, enough does turn me into a mattress or mattress pad.
    It just takes a supertanker.

  24. Silentbob says

    @ ^

    By humans or all species? And if the former, why the special pleading?

  25. Oggie: Mathom says

    Steve Morrison

    Re Brussels sprouts: I usually roast them with olive oil and hickory smoked salt (apple wood smoked salt works too).

    Thin sliced, tossed with olive oil, smoked salt, hot red pepper flakes, and maple syrup. Roast until done (and slightly charred around the edges). And it goes really well with a good smokey porter.

    And milk stouts? I had one. Once. It was from a southern PA brewery and their milk stout was disgusting. And their IPA tasted muddy. I can still drink IPAs because I had imbibed that refreshing summer ale before, but it was my first milk stout. And I cannot get my mind past that first taste. So I enjoy just about everything else.

    This whole ‘We have to eat lots of meat, drive gas-guzzling pollutionmobiles, be prosperity gospel evangelicals (or vox dei Catholics), be xenophobic bigots, and worship at the altar of unrestricted capitalism and gun ownership in order to be true Americans!’ is destroying what could be a force for good in the world. A nation that could be a leader in renewable energy, sustainable farming and ranching. Instead, we are speeding the destruction of a livable earth with the assumption that the USA will be magically spared any of the consequences. I feel sorry for my granddaughters.

  26. says

    Well, Biden is a Democrat. And, as long as I can remember, every Democratic president has come after our meat beer, and our beer guns, and our gun meat, and, of course, our beer gas stove guns. It’s a wonder we still have any of that stuff.

  27. birgerjohansson says

    During WWI the soldiers (at least in the west where food was abundant) were given lots of meat because it was believed necessary to keep the men strong.
    BTW since it will be hard to change culture, I hope the AI -boosted chemistry research will come up with ways to make soy and tofu products better mimic the taste and texture of meat products.
    I fear we have work around culture rather than change it.

  28. says

    There are only four ingredients in beer: Water, barley, yeast, and hops.

    It’s the law.

    It’s been the law since 1516 (the Rheinheitsgebot). Alles in Ordnung!

    This is just one of the many, many reasons that B*dweiser is not beer: It includes an unlawful ingredient (rice, not the Clydesdale “byproduct” which is just marketing hype).

  29. says

    Lots of the conspiracy minded right people are convinced the UN or the World Economic Forum are going to force everyone to eat bugs. Which in one way is amusing given that the richies at the WEF probably eat all sorts of expensive meat products at their conferences.

  30. wzrd1 says

    Hmmm, a beer gun. Sounds like a really entertaining build to demonstrate Boyle’s law.
    Far more entertaining than demonstrating Cole’s law, which is merely thinly sliced cabbage.

    I think that I’ll put off until tomorrow making more sauce. I managed to walk to the store and back yesterday, between rain bands and before the almighty deluge that had animals getting onto that old crackpot’s boat and get some pig’s feet and neck bones. One can of whole tomatoes, three crushed tomatoes cans, a shit ton of garlic and onion, basil and crushed red pepper and I’ll have a bit over a gallon of pasta sauce. Simmer and stirring for the entire afternoon isn’t in the cards today.
    I’m sure there are some bugs in the tomatoes cans, just to keep the zanies occupied. FDA allowances and all (which, they object to even having an FDA, which to me says that they want to eat bugs).

  31. moonslicer says

    I might suggest that what’s-his-face Kudlow could try a Welsh beer named “Brains”. Seriously. There really is such a thing. You can go into a pub in Wales and ask for a pint of Brains, and nobody will laugh at you. They’ll just give you a big glass of beer.

  32. says

    @27: Wisconsin can brew actual beer. We have a lot of Germans in the area and they take it veryseriously. Stick with the smaller microbreweries and you’ll be pleasantly surprised. But corporate beer? Forget it. It’s gonna be bland.

  33. Steve Morrison says

    Okay, annoying pedantry time: “kumiss” is the name of the drink in Turkic languages. The Mongols also drank it, but their word for it was “airag.”

  34. says

    wzrd1: Not all bad beer is American. Why do you think they stick lemon or lime slices in Mexican and Brazilian beers? To make them taste like something other than Bud. All the beer ads make the lemon-in-beer thing look cool and exotic, when it’s actually the only thing they can do to enhance the flavor.

    I went to Rio in 2009, and the few pubs that served import beers (such as Shenanigans near Gen. Osorio Park) generally charged twice the price of domestic beers.

  35. hemidactylus says

    @43- Raging Bee
    Technically Mexican and Brazilian beers are American. Modelo Negra is pretty good IMO. There’s also a Corona darkish beer that isn’t horrible. I’d imagine there are better Mexican beers. Not familiar with what Brazil has to offer.

  36. wzrd1 says

    Raging Bee, yeah, I know. I was being polite, as two abominations I’ve had was a US and a Mexican beer, never tried Brazilian beers.
    Simpatico is a brand that comes to mind, lemon, lime, irrelevant, maybe dogshit would improve the flavor. The US Buckhorn beer, well, it tasted like it was made from buckhorns, of a species entirely consisting of dog piss. With particulates present enough for tongue feel to detect.
    Both so bad, I tossed them into the trash after the first few tastes, being “I’ll try anything twice” guy.
    While wishing I had a mass separation furnace…

  37. hemidactylus says

    @45- wzrd1
    Aspects of Mexican music were strongly influenced by the Germans. You can detect polka and they use accordions. I vaguely recall Germans may have influenced Mexican brewing.

    Wiki says: ”German influence has had a lasting impact on Mexican beers, with brands such as Negra Modelo and Dos Equis Ambar, both deriving from a malty subset of dark lagers known as Vienna-style. Beer production remains as one of Mexico’s chief industries and biggest exports valued at over a billion USD.”

    I once made the mistake of trying Bud Light Chelada Clamato out of curiosity. You can never untaste that nightmare. A friend makes his own micheladas and says it’s good.

    Worcestershire sauce belongs on a steak, but beer???

  38. StevoR says

    @ ^ hemidactylus : Worst thing I’ve ever drank – out of curiosity – was a soft drink called Pepsi Blue. Never tasted fly spray to know but that Pepsi Blue tasted like what I imagine fly spray would taste like. Truly vile.

    Alcoholic beverages~wise had a few cans that have gone off or something and some past their use-by and tasting like it which tasted really unpleasant so used to make sure I’d drink a lot of the good stuff first before I drank them quickly so as not towaste them.. Probly not the best or healthiest idea.

    @41. Steve Morrison : “Okay, annoying pedantry time: “kumiss” is the name of the drink in Turkic languages. The Mongols also drank it, but their word for it was “airag.”

    Okay, thanks. Did not know. I thought Arak was something else – Greek maybe? Lessee :

    Arak or araq (Arabic: ﻋﺮﻕ) is a distilled Levantine spirit of the anise drinks family. It is translucent and unsweetened.
    Arak is traditionally made of grapes and aniseed (the seeds of the anise plant); when crushed, their oil provides arak with a slight licorice taste.[1] Dates, figs, and other fruits are sometimes added.[2] Typically, arak is a minimum of 40% alcohol by volume (ABV), and can be up to 63% ABV (126 proof).[2] A 53% ABV is considered typical.


  39. StevoR says

    @32. Oggie: Mathom :

    And milk stouts? I had one. Once. It was from a southern PA brewery and their milk stout was disgusting. And their IPA tasted muddy. I can still drink IPAs because I had imbibed that refreshing summer ale before, but it was my first milk stout. And I cannot get my mind past that first taste. So I enjoy just about everything else.

    This one – PirateLife Chocolate Stout :


    Which I also bought out of curiousity was actually pretty nice – very chocolate-y and sort of like a stout chocolate shake mix with the chocolatey ness prevailing but not too sweet. Different but I wouldn’t say “disgusting” at all, again, quite nice. It was on special at the pub where I saw it FWIW tho. Pretty sure all plant based again too!

  40. Jazzlet says

    StevoR Traditionally if a beer says it’s a chocolate stout it uses chocolate malt, which is a particular roast of malted barley between the lighter ones used for most beers and the really dark ones used for stouts, so it doesn’t have any actual chocolate in it. Double chocolate stouts on the other hand use both chocolate malt and actual chocolate, which means depending on the chocolate they use it could have milk in.

    Oggie it sounds like you got a really bad milk stout, it really shouldn’t be disgusting unless you don’t like stouts at all, the milk should just soften the burnt overtones a little.

  41. brightmoon says

    @49 ahhh Pepsi Blue , horrible stuff with the added Je ne sais quoi of looking radios. Heard a funny parody song about it that I can’t find now sung to the tune of Jackie Blue

  42. brightmoon says

    The only alcohol product I like is vanilla extract which is about 70 proof ( 35%ethanol) . I put a little in a glass of milk with some sugar , yum!

  43. wzrd1 says

    brightmoon, easy to make that as well. A bottle of inexpensive vodka, split vanilla beans and leave them steep in the bottle for a month or so.
    Before the price of Madagascar vanilla beans went into orbit, it’s what I always did. Cheaper that way than paying the war price for extract of the synthetic that’s nearly there in taste.
    For anise, I used Arak as the extract.
    Arak is to Sambuca what extract is to a flavored drink. It’s around 100 proof, both in ethanol and intense flavor. It’s literally distilled extract, sweetened to damned near saturation. So, do cut the sugar back in any recipe.
    Thyme can also be extracted with ethanol, thymol being an alcohol, although I do recommend pineapple juice if it’s to marinade, as the juice is an excellent meat tenderizer due to enzymes.

    hemidactylus @ 47, I know, being of a mother who was German and Dutch, raised in Pennsylvania and Polkas were farthest from foreign to me. And an accordion, piano and organ player.
    Although, I’d probably butcher even my favorite tunes from Fiddler on the Roof horrifically now, being so utterly out of practice.
    Don’t get me started on the agony I can cause with a bowed instrument, strings, woodwinds or percussion, brass in general, the only brass I can play is firearm brass.
    Never could make the leap to muscle memory in any of them. Odd, given I can perform point of fire with a firearm with precision up to 25 meters before I start to use a sight.
    I also cannot vocalize while playing. Period. Not to talk or sing. Maybe it’s a side growth of my dyslexia, dunno.