Kern defined evolution to me as “the process of wanting to create something or have something be perfect. Get rid of that which is not healthy and strong.”
That’s a very common creationist misconception: they can’t imagine a natural process that doesn’t have wants, that is lacking that teleological impulse.
The writer sent me the outtakes from the interview. If you want more Kern uncut and uncensored, look below the fold.
She was asked about desecrating communion wafers. She’s a baptist, so her ox wasn’t being gored, so she’s not too concerned. But being Sally Kern, she was easy to poke into babbling further.
KERN: Well, I don’t know a lot about the Catholic religion or Episcopalian, you know, we don’t do wafers in a Baptist church. We have our little cracker kind of thing for our communion. I think there are things, certain symbols that are precious and significant to different people in their faiths and they think very highly of them and to see somebody do something like that is really offensive to them. It’s kinda like burning the flag. Do you have the right to burn the flag? I guess the way our society sees things today, that professor had the right to do that even though it was offensive to somebody else. It gets back to this thing, back here again to a Biblical principle about, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” A wafer doesn’t have a great deal of significance to me, but I wouldn’t take it and do something like that because I know it would be offensive to somebody else, so I don’t know if that’s what you wanted, but…
ME: Oh, I was just curious.
KERN: I think that professor’s probably… Sounds to me, ’cause I don’t know him, never heard of him, but it sounds to me like he has an axe to grind.
ME: He’s an atheist. He does a lot of atheist activism.
KERN: Is he? Mm-hm.
ME: I know you’re probably not familiar with it. It’s just that, there’s been a big fuss on the Internet about it for about a month straight.
KERN: Yeah. Well, I’m sure there was, yeah.
ME: Do you think that certain kinds of blasphemy should be punishable, or do you think that that falls completely under free speech?
KERN: That’s a very good question, Zac, and I’m not really sure how to answer that. I do think that our courts today have expanded free speech beyond what our founding fathers intended. I don’t think they ever intended things like pornography. Burning the flag, or perhaps even doing something like this professor’s done. I don’t think they intended that. I think that as our society has gotten more tolerant and we’ve expanded what free speech includes to where now almost anything somebody wants to do they can do, because it’s their right. Well, with every right there’s a responsibility. I think we focus too much on rights and not enough on responsibility in society. So, you know, I’m not one to go out and say, “Oh, they did that, and they did that. That needs to be punished.” I’m for fewer laws, rather than more laws. And, you see, that gets back to Biblical principles. Okay? I believe our founding fathers felt that if we had a society that was based upon Biblical principles people would have internal regulation, internal, they would be self-controlled citizens. And, therefore, if you have self-controlled citizens you need less outward controls. We are developed into a society today because people believe whatever they want to believe and think they can do whatever they want to do, and as everybody does whatever they want to do, they’re doing things that oftentimes are harmful, injurous, disrespectful to other people, and therefore the government is having to step in to control. And so we’ve got more and more laws, and I think we’ve got more and more laws because we’ve gotten away from having more individual self-control and restraint. And only one’s faith– generally, you get religious doctrine, religious beliefs, religious restraint from a faith, whether it be Christianity or some other.
ME: (clears throat) Pardon me.
KERN: It’s okay. I’m gonna give you about fifteen more minutes. I’ve got some things I have to do.
ME: One last question. Then I’ll let you go.
ME: Thanks for your time, by the way. As you have probably noticed, it seems like atheist and secularist groups have been getting much more outspoken, even in an area like the Bible Belt. To your personal experience, not asking you to make a statement that encompasses the whole of existence, what is your opinion, by and large, of the atheist community of America?
KERN: Well, I think it goes back… What James Madison said once, “If men were angels, there’d be no need for laws.” But we aren’t angels. I believe the founding fathers had a good understanding of the nature of mankind and I believe that’s why they wanted a society based upon Biblical principles that created this inner restraint. When you get away from that and you get to the point where you say, well, there is no god. You see, the reason… The Bible teaches, “The fool hath said in his heart, ‘There is no God.'” Okay? Why do they do that? Because they want to do what they want to do. And we live in a society today where it’s not fashionable to be a born-again Christian. It’s not politically correct to express your religious beliefs in the public sector. ‘Cause that, ohh, that’s violating separation of church and state! So I think that… And then I think, the political climate has a great deal to do with it as religion is being suppressed then what’s popping up? The atheism. And you’re not gonna find an atheist having a lot of love in their heart for their fellow mankind. Okay? That doesn’t mean that they don’t love other people. Because I’m sure they… wife, spouse, children, whatever. But loving someone never comes easy whether you have the love of God in your heart or not. It’s a choice. But I believe we just live in a society today where there’s a real cultural war. You know? And when I knocked on doors four or five years ago when I started running I told my district I was running as a distinctively Christian candidate because I believe we’re in a cultural war for the very existence of our Judeo-Christian values. We’re seeing that culture war today. And it is a war. It’s a war of good versus evil. Of God versus the godless. And, actually, you’re seeing the Bible fulfilled. The Bible says in the end days the godless will get more godly– or, the godly will get more godly and the wicked will get more wicked, and we’re seeing that today. They’re getting bolder and bolder.