More background

And here’s more background from last September, by Qasim Rashid in the Huffington Post.

It is no secret I’ve been critical of Muslim leadership for their deafening apathy and silence over the 125-year worldwide persecution of Ahmadi Muslims. To add insult to injury, every time a new atrocity emerges I’m bombarded with standard anti-Ahmadi talking points in a shameless attempt to justify the violence. Just recently in Gujranwala, Pakistan where four Ahmadi Muslims (including three young children) were murdered when their homes were burned down, insults followed the anemic condemnations. Those who bothered acknowledging the attack refused to recognize Ahmadis as Muslims, thus holding the same view as those who attacked and murdered the young children in the first place.

Well the first step here would be to say it’s not ok to murder people for being or not being any particular religion or non-religion. It’s not ok to persecute people or attack them or murder them. All of that is right out.

As one Sunni Muslim friend confessed–his own family told him “not to worry about it” because Ahmadis were “wajib ul qatl” (required to be killed) anyway.

No no no no no, that’s where people go wrong, thinking anyone is “required to be killed.” Get rid of that kind of thinking. Nobody is required to be killed.

This misinformation and prejudice must stop. If the Muslim world expects to advance in pluralism and tolerance, we must embrace principles over prejudice. This must start from the top, i.e. from Muslim leaders; otherwise Muslim youth have little hope of developing into positive well-rounded individuals.

Quite. No killing! No persecuting! However much you disagree with people over religion, you do not get to kill them. If god wants them dead god can make them dead. Leave it to god. What good is a god who needs your help?

He gives a list of 10 fabrications about Ahmadi Muslims.

Fabrication 1: Ahmadiyya is a new religion

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a sect of Islam. It is not a new religion. It was founded by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian in 1889. Ahmad claimed that he was the awaited Messiah and Mahdi prophesized by Prophet Muhammad and foretold by the Holy Qur’an. Muslims who believe in the Messiah, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, are known as Ahmadi Muslims. We adhere to the same Islamic declaration of faith, “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger. We likewise observe the same 5 Pillars of Islam and same 6 Articles of Faith.

In short, it’s a sect of Islam, not a new and different religion.

Of course many people will insist on seeing a sect as worse than a truly different religion, because it’s a betrayal and insubordination and disloyal and god knows what – but they need to get over it.

Fabrication 2: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be greater than Prophet Muhammad

In an effort to arouse anger in the minds of unlearned Muslims, clerics make this fabrication often. In reality Ahmad considered himself insignificant compared to the grandeur and majesty of Prophet Muhammad. Ahmadi Muslims believe Prophet Muhammad was the Seal of the Prophets, and therefore God’s greatest creation. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad famously wrote, “The Prophet is Muhammad, the chosen one, who is higher and more exalted than all Prophets and is the most perfect of Messengers and is the Khatam ul Anbiya, and the best of men.”

Bottom Line: The Messiah Ahmad was clear that Prophet Muhammad was the greatest of God’s creation. You can read Ahmad’s extensive writings in praise of the greatness and perfection of Prophet Muhammad here.

Well that sounds tedious. I have a hard time sustaining a sympathetic view of this kind of thing, because honestly – all this stuff about perfection, and then extensive writings in praise of the perfection – what is even the point? If it’s perfect what is there to say? It’s complete, it’s lacking in nothing, it’s perfect – end of story.

It’s not for me. I’m too human. All I know is imperfection; perfection is just like a blank smooth wall, and I can’t get interested in it, much less in extensive writings about it.

But the fundamental point remains – killing and persecution are not ok.

Fabrication 3: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad insulted Jesus Christ

As with the previous fabrication, this is a common allegation some Muslim leaders espouse to create anti-Ahmadi Muslim sentiment. As Islam requires Muslims to love and revere all God’s prophets, Jesus Christ is no exception. Ahmadi Muslims love Jesus more than we love our own parents or children.

There again – I think that’s terrible. It’s terrible to love a character in a book more than one’s own parents and children. It’s also terrible to make a virtue of it.

Nevertheless – no killing.

That’s enough background for now, I’m afraid. It’s not my idea of a good time.


  1. johnthedrunkard says

    Islam declares the Christ was not crucified, nor resurrected. Whatever kind of ‘special’ Islamic respect this is, it is NOT ecumenically acceptable to any Christian.

    It is NOT ‘misinformation.’ It is Islam, red of tooth and claw.

  2. themadtapper says

    Islam declares the Christ was not crucified, nor resurrected. Whatever kind of ‘special’ Islamic respect this is, it is NOT ecumenically acceptable to any Christian.

    It is NOT ‘misinformation.’ It is Islam, red of tooth and claw.

    The hell is this word salad? Christians’ opinions on the “ecumenical acceptability” of Islam’s beliefs regarding Jesus are completely irrelevant to the conflict between older Islamic sects and Ahmadi Muslims. Islam reveres Jesus as a prophet (but not a messiah), and the misinformation/fabrication spread by anti-Ahmadi Muslims is that Ahmadi Muslims insult Jesus when they actually revere him the same way.

  3. Blanche Quizno says

    “Heresy”. THAT’s what the religious kill each other for. “Heresy” – a word derived from the Greek word meaning “choice”. Because there can be none of that in religion. Not in TRUE religion, at any rate.

  4. Tom Davies says

    Is Qasim Rashid saying that if those fabrications were true then the killings would be OK? (yes, I was too lazy to read the original article)

  5. anat says

    johnthedrunkard, very odd to say of Ahmadi Muslims ‘It is Islam, red of tooth and claw’, when they are the ones being persecuted and killed. Also, FYI Ahmadi Islam leans towards pacifism. At the very least, they object to religious wars.

  6. moarscienceplz says

    The “perfection” of Muhammad? WTF???
    I thought it was made clear to Muslims that Muhammad was a human being, prone to all the weaknesses that we all are. Where the hell does this “perfection” crap come from?

  7. Saad says

    moarscienceplz, #7

    The ordinary human being description is only used to prevent deification and worship of Muhammad. I think especially to set him apart from the Christian concept of Jesus being divine.

    In morality and ethics, he is considered the perfect human*. The only “weakness” of his that Muslims tell of is that he had a sweet tooth. There’s a story that someone brought a family member to him so he could advise them to stop eating too many sweets, and Muhammad’s reply was that he can’t because he himself was guilty of the same thing. Funnily enough though, this story is told as a way of showing what a great person he was.

    * And this is not just after his prophethood. In fact, it is said one of the reasons Allah chose Muhammad was that he was saadiq, meaning truthful. Muslims believe he literally never told a single lie in his life.

  8. sumdum says

    Isn’t the mahdi supposed to appear just before judgement day? Since that hasn’t happened I’d say muslims are justified in believing this guy was no mahdi at all and his followers were misled. Not that this justifies persecution or murder of course.

  9. Brian E says

    The only “weakness” of his that Muslims tell of is that he had a sweet tooth.

    The lopping off of 400-600 males of the Benu Quraish (sorry, I don’t do romanisation of Arabic) and distributing kids and women as slaves/concubines, taking 20 percent for himself not being a weakness, but being Biblical.

    It’s interesting that when he wasn’t a muslim, according to the muslim tales, he treated his first wife well. She was older, and had her own life, and he wasn’t the boss. After she died, and he had his ‘profesies’ which even his wives noted always favoured him, not so much, especially when he and his cult became powerful.

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