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Another thing about that Facebook post of Jaclyn Glenn’s, that Dave Muscato admiringly posted on his own wall (and then took down along with all the comments) – she didn’t write most of it herself. She took it from a comment on her video (the Atheism + pussies one) and constructed her post around it, without saying so and thus without giving credit to the person who did write it. That’s pretty tacky.

plagiar

First the comment by mikkj1:

While a lot of us hardcore atheists are subscribed to any number of vloggers, we’re not really the target demographic. We’re (they’re) trying to reach the undecideds, the a-curious. Each vlogger reaches, or speaks to, a different demographic. If Jaclyn can reach some that wouldn’t click on Thunderf00t or TheAmazingAtheist or CultofDusy, then good. With people who have been indoctrinated for the majority, if not all, of their lives, repetition is necessary. Also, this subject is not as infinitely variable as you might think, and videos are going to always be somewhat derivative. I’m not sure why you felt the need to post a criticism, but that’s your right. I suspect it’s for the same reason that your channel is full of anti-feminist videos, but that’s just supposition. Have a good one.

Now Glenn’s Facebook post:

While many “hardcore atheists” are subscribed to any number of vloggers, you’re not always the target demographic. I’m trying to reach the undecideds, the a-curious. Each vlogger reaches, or speaks to, a different demographic. If I can reach some that wouldn’t click on Thunderf00t or TheAmazingAtheist or CultofDusy, then great!

With people who have been indoctrinated- for the majority, if not all, of their lives, repetition is necessary. Also, this subject is not as infinitely variable as you might think, and videos are going to always be somewhat derivative. I’m always trying to do things in a creative way- either by humor, including guests on videos, doing skits, or singing songs.

Why do people find it necessary to say I’m unoriginal and only achieve success because of my gender or looks? I’m fine with *constructive* criticism, I appreciate it. But if you’re determined to hate me then just don’t watch my videos. I’m not Dawkins or Hitchens, and I’m not trying to be. I’m contributing in the best way I know how. If it doesn’t work for you, move on. The infighting within the atheist community is on my last nerve. We don’t always have to agree, but constant polarization is suffocating our voice. Divided we fall.

So that happened.

Comments

  1. chigau (違う) says

    Why do people find it necessary to say I’m unoriginal…

    …uuhh, well…

  2. Blanche Quizno says

    This is the same phenomenon we see across the intarblaaaghs. Some anonymous poster claims to be a cute girl, and even posts photos (often copied straight off some dating site) of a cute girl (that’s supposed to be the anonymous poster), and IMMEDIATELY, all the males in the area change their tone toward that anonymous poster. They become supportive, even deferential, fall all over themselves to agree with what they think is a cute girl, sexytalk and flirting abounds. All because these guys think they’re dealing with a cute girl.

    At a certain point in some men’s brains, they think that they have a chance of getting into every cute girl’s pants, so if they think they’re interacting with one, they start turning on the charm and accolades. Because that’s how the misogynist man’s mind works on a certain level – “If I’m nice to her, if I show her how much fun I am and how clever, too, she’ll fall into my bed!” The fact that it’s anonymous and completely separate from the real world doesn’t really compute – the brains are stuck in caveman mode and “anonymous public message board” does not really compute.

    So that’s why you’ll find the antifeminists/misogynists like Dawkins slobbering after The Cute Girl and paying lots and lots of attention to her – the caveman part of their brains tells them that, if they do this, they’ll get laid.

  3. Blanche Quizno says

    @4 “Everyone will turn on her now, because she’s one of those criminal unoriginal copy-pasta creeps.”

    No, PZ, they won’t.

    Why not?

    Because she’s The Cute Girl.

    And because she’s The Cute Girl, she can do no wrong. Only mean, ugly. spinster harpies will call her on her douchery, because they’re jealous of her because she’s so cute and sexy and they’re mad because all the guys are drooling over her.

    All those sexist atheist guys will show *their* douchery by ignoring her copypasta douchery. Just watch. Not a single admiring atheist will say “booo”.

  4. RJW says

    The ‘a-curious’, jeeeeze! What does *constructive* mean?
    Sometimes I wish that there was an Academy for the English Language.

  5. chigau (違う) says

    re: OP title
    Was that something about plucking them out?
    (I’m slow today.)

  6. Menyambal says

    The title is from a Tom Lehrer song, where the rhyme is “plagiarize”. Nickolia Ivanovich Lobachevsky, or some better spelling.

  7. HappyNat says

    @Blanche 5 and 6

    It’s also clear this is the case because they accuse the feminist men of only acting feminist because they want to get in women’s pants. It’s projection all the way down. They can’t imagine I want a better world for women as an end goal. It has to be because I want to get laid.

  8. leni says

    No, PZ, they won’t.

    Psst, Blanche, I’m pretty sure that was deadpan sarcasm ;)

    He knows there is not one single chance in someone else’s pretend hell that this would happen.

    ***

    Jaclyn Glenn’s naval gassing moment. Like a rite of passage, I guess. I can’t wait to see her TED talk!

  9. Blanche Quizno says

    @14 HappyNat – Great observation.

    @15 Leni – I know, I just wanted to make the point about what I have observed re: male behavior on message boards. It’s really quite primitive, actually, considering their “target” may not even be located on the same continent that they are, and the fact that we all know there are no girls on the internet anyhow.

    But keeping in mind that I know of TWO couples who met and married after meeting on anonymous public message boards, though they each lived in separate states at the time… So we can’t say it’s entirely a lost cause. Maybe that’s why the men keep at it.

    I still think it’s a primitive caveman mental process, though.

  10. jared says

    I doubt this will make it through the legendary censorship of FTB but here goes. JG’so post is so clearly a direct response to the post above the mental gymnastics and blind accusation of plagiarism only further cements my view of this site as full of crazed ideologues and every time I come here its the same thing.

  11. John Morales says

    Doubting jared doubted vainly
    The legend proven false
    Doubting jared’s view further cemented
    It’s always the same thing!

  12. John Horstman says

    @jared #17: LOL@ your use of that tired trope. More relevantly, I am actually curious what you think “plagiarism” means. If using someone else’s words, directly copying some and paraphrasing some others, doesn’t qualify, what does? Or is plagiarism not an unethical behavior in your worldview?

  13. John Horstman says

    Whoops, I should have said, “If using someone else’s words without attribution, directly…”

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