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Jun 24 2014

Francis dispatches

The pope is such a comedian. Independent Catholic News (there’s a joke right there) reports his latest joke.

On Saturday morning the Holy Father received participants in the International Congress organised by the Department of Law of the Maria SS Assunta University of Rome (LUMSA) and the School of Law of the St John’s University on the theme: “religious freedom according [to] international law and the global conflict of values”, held in Rome on 20 and 21 June. Francis remarked that the theme of religious freedom has recently become the subject of intense debate between governments and the various religious faiths, and added that the Catholic Church, has a long history of supporting religious freedom, culminating in the Vatican Council II Declaration “Dignitatis humanae”.

The Catholic Church has a long history of supporting religious freedom hahahahaha that’s a good one. The Catholic church wants to force its “teachings” on all of us, including the most vicious and destructive ones. It doesn’t support our freedom from its theocratic laws and demands.

“Every human is a ‘seeker’ of truth on his origins and destiny. In his mind and in his ‘heart’, questions and thoughts arise that cannot be repressed or stifled, since they emerge from the depths of the person and are a part of the intimate essence of the person. They are religious questions, and religious freedom is necessary for them to manifest themselves fully”.

No, they’re not, actually, not inherently or necessarily. They can be entirely secular, this-world, naturalistic.

Francis emphasised that “reason recognises that religious freedom is a fundamental right of man, reflecting his highest dignity, that of seeking the truth and adhering to it, and recognising it as an indispensable condition for realising all his potential.

No, again, that’s quite the opposite of the truth. Seeking the truth has to be independent of religion, because religion is repeating ancient dogma, not looking for truth at all.

Go back home and re-work the material, Frank. Not ready for prime-time.

H/t Stewart.

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  1. 1
    Annap

    Nice male-centric language from old frank btw.

  2. 2
    stewart

    Thanks for the h/t. It’s grotesque; there is arguably no more renowned mechanism for the repression of religious dissent by the application of torture and death in human history than the Spanish Inquisition and the church that founded it has the chutzpah to claim any kind of non-negative relationship to religious freedom?!

    Anyway, here’s the real response to that claim:

    https://www.facebook.com/144310995587370/photos/a.271728576178944.71555.144310995587370/807274132624383/?type=1&theater

  3. 3
    NitricAcid

    The pope is like my wife- his own opinion is objective truth, which everybody knows. If you disagree with him, you’re lying to yourself…if everyone is free to follow their conscience, they will always reach the same conclusions as Frankie.

  4. 4
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Every human is a ‘seeker’ of truth on his origins and destiny. In his mind and in his ‘heart’, questions and thoughts arise

    I see they haven’t heard of this glorious invention called “woman” yet…

  5. 5
    Blanche Quizno

    Let me guess: “The Catholic Church will continue to protect its criminal priests from secular law and from any meaningful consequences for their crimes. Victims will continue to be threatened into silence. No WAY will the Church ever be answerable to government law enforcement!”

    @3 Giliell, I understand your point, but Engrish has no “neuter” pronoun – “one” can be used, but it tends to be awkward, and even when “one” is used, its possessive can correctly be “his” O_O “Everyone should bring his book to class” is grammatically correct for a mixed-gender population, whereas “Everyone should bring her book to class” is only correct if the population is exclusively female. You see this in all the romance languages, which bear the marks of the rigid patriarchy that was in power as these languages were developing.

    Oh, and that’s a terrific visual at #1, Stewart. Thanks heaps!!!

  6. 6
    stewart

    You’re welcome, Blanche! Thanks!

  7. 7
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Blance Quizno
    It has been shown again and again and again that using the generic masculine pronoun as default is discriminatory.
    There is also the singular use of “they”, a perfectly valid alternative. Before you start complaining about it just remember that it was good enough for Will Shakespeare and Jane Austen. There is absolutely NO reason or excuse for using male pronouns.

  8. 8
    opposablethumbs

    “Everyone should bring his book to class” is grammatically correct for a mixed-gender population,

    No. It may not be grammatically incorrect, but it is far from being obligatory or the only option. Giliell is perfectly correct wrt singular “they”.

    Frankie can only be preaching to the choir if he thinks “seeking the truth is inherently religious” is a convincing argument, and as for pretending that the catholic church has a long history of supporting religious freedom … there can’t be an irony meter left un-spoinged anywhere.

  9. 9
    Omar Puhleez

    How can The One True Church honour its commitment to spread the Holy Truth and fight erroneous belief all over the scene AND at the same time support religious freedom? (AND also cover up all that sexual molestation of children by its own clerics, etc?.)
    You would think it was a hotbed of Voltaire-style liberalism.
    .
    Well, hotbed of something, anyway..

  10. 10
    Ophelia Benson

    Blanche -

    “Everyone should bring his book to class” is grammatically correct for a mixed-gender population, whereas “Everyone should bring her book to class” is only correct if the population is exclusively female. You see this in all the romance languages, which bear the marks of the rigid patriarchy that was in power as these languages were developing.

    Wrong.

    That is an actual “rule” in e.g. French, at least according to my 9th grade French teacher, but even a rule like that can be broken. It’s not even that much of a “rule” in English; it’s not a rule at all, it’s a bad habit.

    Also why correct a point that’s obviously political with a claim about what’s “grammatically correct” anyway? It’s so point-missing.

    You might as well point out that it’s matrimonially incorrect for a married woman not to call herself Mrs Mansname. We know what the putative “rule” is and we want to trash it.

  11. 11
    Ophelia Benson

    Oh and another thing – it’s not even the same issue in the Romance languages, because they don’t have “her” and “his”; they use “son” and “sa” according to the gender of the object, not the subject. The issue is when to use male or female pronouns, which we don’t have in the plural. We have “they” while French has “elles” and “ils” (shes and hes) – so “Everyone should bring his book to class” is doubly beside the point.

  12. 12
    maddog1129

    I didn’t know they had revived the “Francis the Talking Mule” series.

  13. 13
    evil is evil

    Francis sounds better than his predecessors, but he still can’t reason.

    I’ll believe what he spouts when he opens the books of the Catholic Church and reveals just how many billions or trillions that it holds without spending anything on the poor.

  14. 14
    Martin Cohen

    Re: NitricAcid

    And what does your wife say about you?

  15. 15
    Al Dente

    the Catholic Church, has a long history of supporting religious freedom

    Has Francis ever heard of the Thirty Years War?

  16. 16
    CaitieCat, getaway driver

    The Catholic Church has always defended religious freedom.

    They’ve always been clear that you’re free to either be Catholic, or die. Your choice entirely.

    All the freedom anyone could need, right, Frankie?

  17. 17
    stewart

    Good one, CaitieCat (it may be difficult to resist doing a graphic inspired by that one day – do I have your permission?). Come think of it, this is also appropriate:

    https://www.facebook.com/144310995587370/photos/pb.144310995587370.-2207520000.1403682715./786461144705682/?type=3&theater

  18. 18
    M'thew

    With regard to the “male-centric” language: keep in mind that Francis uses Italian for the general public (yeah, like all Catholics understand that – although, with all the Spanish and Portuguese speaking followers, it must be something of a lingua franca).

    On the site of Radio Vatican, I find one indirect quote from him, which correlates with one of the English quotes in the OP (my emphasis):

    Ogni essere umano è un cercatore della verità sulla sua origine, sul suo destino, sulla sua storia. Le domande che sorgono dal suo intimo, insopprimibili perchè connaturate alla persona, sono ”domande religiose”, spiega il Papa, che “hanno bisogno della libertà religiosa per manifestarsi pienamente” e per riflettere la dignità umana che è in questa ricerca di verità

    “Sua origine”, “suo destino”, “sua storia”. I have the feeling the male-centricness is more a matter of the translation than of Francis’ original wording. Not that I would put it past him to think in exclusively male terms, but the Italian does not directly reflect that.

  19. 19
    CaitieCat, getaway driver

    stewart, absolutely. :)

  20. 20
    NitricAcid

    Martin: That I’m wrong.

  21. 21
    stewart

    Done, CaitieCat (with credit). It was hard to resist getting two birds with one stone. Thanks.

    https://www.facebook.com/144310995587370/photos/a.271728576178944.71555.144310995587370/808661922485604/?type=1&theater

  22. 22
    CaitieCat, getaway driver

    Bravo! I like it. :)

  23. 23
    stewart

    Excellent!; originators of material aren’t always pleased by adaptations into another medium :)

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