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Fox News must die.


  1. says

    My family is full of vaccine-avoiders who know (because someone told them) that people often die from being vaccinated. Post hoc rules the roost. If the guy with heart disease dies months after getting the vaccine, the vaccine killed him and it’s evidence the government is out to get you. When wrong-assed interpretations of personal experience can trump sound medical advice, solutions are always out of reach.

  2. davidc1 says

    Over here in jolly old Blighty ,one of the anti -vaxxers is a former nurse who was struck off for all the crap she comes out with .
    Comparing medical staff to Nazis war criminals .
    Enough of things over here .I hear a Florida man tried to walk to New York using a flotation device .
    Plus, 200 people in Texas have come down with Monkey Pox .

  3. garnetstar says

    It is really, really bad.

    I saw an interview with a nurse in Arkansas: she said they’d all been yelled at, kicked, spat on, and endlessly called “crisis actors.”

    She came up with a novel response to that: she says to them “If you send $10 to my Venmo, I’ll tell you the truth about COVID and crisis acting.” She’s made about $100.

    She writes back: “COVID is real and crisis acting isn’t. I said I’d tell you the truth, not the truth that you wanted to hear.”

  4. voyager says

    News should be a protected term. Entertainment & Opinion are not news, and Fox shouldn’t be allowed to call themselves a ‘News’ network.
    At a minimum, News should be factual, truthful and part of objective reality. Fox and its ilk, occupy a separate, created reality, where their viewers are fed a steady diet of lies that stoke feelings of anger, paranoia and righteous information. They’re so easily manipulated, and refuse to give any consideration to truth. It’s like they’re part of a cult. How do you even begin to turn that around?

  5. davidc1 says

    ‘I advise everyone to get it’: Covid patients tell of regrets over refusing jab
    The above is from an article in The Guardian .

  6. robro says

    More individuals and organizations need to follow Dominion and Smartmatics lead and sue Murdoch Inc for lying. If enough cases win, it will hit the bastard in his most important organ…his wallet.

    As for Fox News isn’t news, they should be required to air a disclaimer once every half-hour along the lines of Carlson’s defense that “you shouldn’t literally believe” what they say. They are engaging in “exaggeration” and “non-literal commentary”…or bullshitting as some would say.

  7. says

    robro@7: Nice idea, but the people who believe this shit have achieved epistemic closure. They only believe what agrees with they already believed, and perform Olympic-level feats of rationalization to “justify” their belief. Betcha a year’s rent that in the event Fox News did start airing any such disclaimer, their minions would instantly dismiss it as “fake news” and “Government censorship”.

  8. kome says

    One of the big problems with conspiracy theories is that it is very easy to start accepting all of them after you’ve started to accept any of them. After all, if shadowy forces were powerful enough to engineer X, they’re powerful enough to be the ones pulling the strings behind Y, Z, etc. etc. COVID conspiracies are the gateway conspiracy for a lot of people because conspiracy theories tend to thrive and proliferate under situations of threat and high uncertainty, and a pandemic produces both in no small quantity. The most tragic thing I’ve read in a long time is this story on Vice about a Parkland shooting survivor whose father fell into the COVID conspiracy pipeline and now believes his son was a paid crisis actor and the shooting was a hoax.

  9. says

    We need to realize that this is a form of war. This world view isn’t sustainable, and certainly not compatible with ours. And it’s not just in the US, it’s global. Perhaps this is the prelude to WWIII? Or simply WWIII? These people scare me more than the virus.

  10. says

    Erlend Meyer@#11:
    Perhaps this is the prelude to WWIII? Or simply WWIII?

    They are preparing to do nothing about the climate disaster. We are on track for +5C or worse and they’re digging in their heels over masking. They’ll be in the early stages of a Permian-level extinction event before that time’s Tucker Carlson says “time for some Hydroxychloroquine!” WWW3 may happen but it’d be a damp squib compared to what’s already coming.

  11. anbheal says

    I know several doctors who, despite the Hippocratic Oath, are refusing to treat patients who refuse vaccinations and mask protocols, saying, correctly, that “you are refusing sound science-proven medical advice, engdangering other people, and endangering my staff, so you are no longer welcome here. Have Jesus or Trump heal your kid’s broken wrist”.

    I have heard that there are some school districts that are saying “if you refuse to inoculate your child, he cannot come to class and put other children at risk — enjoy the home-schooling, Earl and Edna.”

    That seems to be an easier solution than banning Fox and Breitbart. Just don’t let the petri dish people or their children into your place of business. Especially in states that are now banning mask mandates and the like. Say, simply, okay, if they have the right to poison us, we have the right to not let them into our pantry. It will go straight to the Supreme Court, and which Amendment will the 6 asshole members choose to support? The right to shoot guns into playgrounds, or the right of children not to be shot by yahoos wanting to Own Them Libruhls?

  12. JimB says

    Fox News must die.

    I’m not so sure. How about if Republicans die? If enough die then Fox will lose it’s audience and just wither away.

    And, bizarrely, they are dying right now. And by dying of (the nonexistant) covid they are somehow “pwning the libs”.

    This is a strange time we live in.

  13. hemidactylus says

    This sounds promising?:
    “JYNNEOSTM  (also known as Imvamune or Imvanex) is an attenuated live virus vaccine which has been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for the prevention of monkeypox. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) is currently evaluating JYNNEOSTM for the protection of people at risk of occupational exposure to orthopoxviruses such as smallpox and monkeypox in a pre-event setting.”

    Jab me now!

  14. raven says

    It is a lot worse than that and it has been for at least a year.
    A huge number of the people in the hospital dying from Covid-19 virus are…Covid-19 virus deniers, who don’t believe the virus or the pandemic really exist.
    Old post
    It’s even worse than 99% of the hospitalized Covid-19 patients being unvaccinated.
    Quite a few of them are also Covid-19 deniers who believe the virus doesn’t exist.

    These patients can be hard to treat.
    They come in sick with a fever, having trouble breathing, and barely able to move while knowing that the Covid-19 virus doesn’t exist.
    The health care workers around them are all suited up in full Personal Protective Equipment gear.
    When it dawns on them that they might well die, they panic.
    They frequently start screaming at the health care workers, sometimes attack them, and sometimes try to pull off their PPE gear. Because the health care workers are all part of the hoax.

    When they are dying or die, the family shows up.
    They start screaming at the health care workers some more.
    Accusing them of killing the patient because the Covid-19 virus doesn’t exist.
    Security is called.
    They know what to do.
    The family is escorted out of the hospital.

    This has happened thousands of times. It is happening many times today somewhere as another 270 (July 26, 2021 numbers) unvaccinated patients…die of the Covid-19 virus.

  15. hemidactylus says

    With monkeypox are those old enough to have been immunized with smallpox vaccine many decades ago any less susceptible than those not?

  16. blf says

    hemidactylus@18, From the CDC, Monkeypox and Smallpox Vaccine Guidance:

    Because monkeypox virus is closely related to the virus that causes smallpox, the smallpox vaccine can protect people from getting monkeypox. Past data from Africa suggests that the smallpox vaccine is at least 85% effective in preventing monkeypox. […] Smallpox and monkeypox vaccines are effective at protecting people against monkeypox when given before exposure to monkeypox. Experts also believe that vaccination after a monkeypox exposure may help prevent the disease or make it less severe.

  17. whheydt says

    Re: raven @ #17…
    A few years ago–well before COVID-19–my wife was in a hospital to get a pacemaker implanted. After hearing a “code grey” a few times, and observing the attire of various staff of the hospital, I asked if “code grey” was a call for a security team. I was told that was exactly what it was. (I noticed that the security personnel were in grey uniforms and put 2 and 2 together…)

  18. birgerjohansson says

    whheydt @ 20
    I hope the surgery went well. One of my co-workers got one implanted after a near-death episode (our work place was 100 yards from the entrance to the Emergency unit, they simply came running with a defibrillator).

  19. hemidactylus says


    Oh shizzit!!!
    “Persons exposed to monkeypox virus and who have not received the smallpox vaccine within the last 3 years, should consider getting vaccinated.

    The sooner the person receives the vaccine, the more effective it will be in protecting against monkeypox virus.”

    From your URL.

    Frickin’ tetanus vaccine has a better window than that!

    My main concern was the time span. I’m on the crux toward the end of smallpox vaccinations in the 70s. So how much has immunity waned since?

  20. says

    So if they want treatment but also refuse treatment, why are they in the hospital in the first place? Just kick them out. What’s the point of being in a hospital if you refuse treatment?

  21. whheydt says

    Re: birgerjohnasson @ #21..
    No problems. Completely routine. It’s been about 3 years now.

  22. DLC says

    There used to be limits on how many lies an alleged news organization could tell. Reagan ended that policy. But ever since their lawyers claimed in a legal action that Fox News was not obligated to tell the truth, it seems like they have spun out of control.

  23. Chris Capoccia says

    it’s easy to blame fox news & tucker, but much harder to show that they’re the cause instead of grifters amplifying views already held. are the under 40 crowd really watching tucker?

  24. davidc1 says

    @15 Thanks for the correction .
    Homer J Simpson
    “Time to make up some more lies”
    Lisa Simpson
    “At least stop polishing your Pulitzer Prize when you say that “

  25. kome says


    There is no single “the” cause here. There are many causes. Amplifying a message is part of the chain of causation for how these views spread and become harder to sway. Fox News is not solely responsible, but they still share the burden of responsibility.

  26. cgm3 says

    @24-Ray Ceeya
    They want treatment for the disease they really have, not that fake COVID-19.

  27. birgerjohansson says

    cgm3 @ 31
    They are having allergic reactions to the nanotech computer chips injected with the vaccine.
    If the nanotech multiply unhindered, they form a satellite disc, folded up in the rectum until it is time to upload a report (see Cartman, Eric).

  28. ajbjasus says

    Further news from the UK

    I had a very professional produced newspaper stuck through m6 letterbox the other day “The Light, Truthpaper”.

    Full of anti fax bullshit, but very well done. Essentially also said vaccines made smallpox worse.

    Politically, over here the anti vaxxers seem both left wing and right wing, the crew delivering this were left wing alternative health woo merchants.

    Very depressing.

  29. davidc1 says

    @34 Stupid gits ,but what do you expect from a country where 17 million morons voted to leave the world’s biggest trading bloc ,that’s right on it’s doorstep .
    Now there are food shortages in the shops because foreign lorry drivers won’t come and work here ,plus the food that is rotting because there is no-one to harvest it .