Chris Hayes’ “All In” show on MSNBC went all in yesterday, showing the direct link between US political incompetence, racism, and 2001/9/11. A twenty year war was rationalized on the deaths of a scant few corpses while the results of rightwing ideology are three thousand times worse.
Two thousand nine hundred and ninety six people died in New York’s World Trade Centre on September 11, 2001, almost 20 years ago. Thanks to the US response to the attack, there are “officially” over 37,000 military dead from Iraq and Afghanistan (combat and suicides, not counting other losses), more than twelve times the deaths of that one terrorist attack. The two illegal wars have cost US$6.5 trillion dollars in interest alone, not counting principal. And that’s without counting the mental health issues, economic loss, and loss in political standing over twenty years while China’s rose. With nothing to show for it.
Doing nothing definitely would have been better for the US. And Iraq and Afghanistan would likely be no worse off than they are now.
Hayes also points out the number of US deaths from COVID-19 and the rightwingnut ideology that put clowns in place like Trump, Desantis, Abbott, Roem and others, how the inmates are now running the asylum prison-state. Religious-driven fascism, racism and fanaticism are only one step away from taking over, and the democrats seem intent on making the fanatics electable for the last time (after which there won’t be elections). They’re labelling the refugees and allies from Afghanistan “terrorists”, and the ignorant racist rabble will swallow it without a second’s thought.
I looked at the numbers. The “official” death toll of COVID-19 in the US between March 25, 2020 and August 25, 2021 is 648,350 (which does not include those not counted and those falsely listed as dying of other causes).
That time span is 518 days or 74 weeks. The US has averaged 8761 deaths per week. For the past seventeen months, more people die in the US of COVID-19 every two and a half days due to incompetent national and state “leadership” than on one day in September 2001.
Those whining about “freedumb!”, who oppose wearing masks and oppose vaccination, are undoubtedly also those who had no objection to forfeiting civil liberties under the “patriot act”.
Just imagine where the US would be if George Bush had not retaliated against the terrorist attacks, had just sat on his hands and done nothing for eight years, and didn’t sign all those tax breaks and vetoed the repeal of Glass-Stegall. It would have been one of the most financially successful two term presidencies in US history, the “crazies” (as Karl Rove described them) wouldn’t be in power, and the US would be in an even stronger financial and military position than it was in 2000.
The US stuck its hand through a fence got scratched by the swipe of a claw. Instead of bandaging the wound and learning not to do that again, it jumped over the fence to “teach that animal a lesson” and got mauled, barely escaping. And wants to pretend it was the winner.
I think we can no officially declare Osama bin Laden the winner. Some might say “The US went home empty handed” but that’s not true. The government and military’s collective ass was handed to them.
To quote Rush, from their song “Between the Wheels” (1984, full lyrics below):
We can go from boom to bust From dreams to a bowl of dust We can fall from rockets red glare Down to "Brother can you spare?" Another war another wasteland And another lost generation
"Between the Wheels" (1984): To live between a rock And a hard place In between time Cruising in the prime time Soaking up the cathode rays To live between the wars In our time Living in real time Holding the good time Holding on to yesterdays You know how that rabbit feels Going under your speeding wheels Bright images flashing by Like windshields towards a fly Frozen in the fatal climb But the wheels of time Just pass you by Wheels can take you around Wheels can cut you down We can go from boom to bust From dreams to a bowl of dust We can fall from rockets red glare Down to "Brother can you spare?" Another war another wasteland And another lost generation It slips between your hands like water This living in real time A dizzying lifetime Reeling by on celluloid Struck between the eyes By the big time world Walking uneasy streets Hiding beneath the sheets Got to try and fill the void You know how that rabbit feels Going under your speeding wheels Bright images flashing by Like windshields towards a fly Frozen in the fatal climb But the wheels of time Just passed you by We can go from boom to bust From dreams to a bowl of dust We can fall from rockets red glare Down to "Brother can you spare?" Another war, another wasteland, And another lost generation
think we can no [sic] officially declare Osama bin Laden the winner.
I believe there is something called a “self-sustaining nuclear reaction” or something like that. Bin Laden is, as far as I know< the first person to create a "self-sustaining" terrorist movement.
… if George Bush had … vetoed the repeal of Glass-Stegall.
Which he would have signed if he could, but Bill Clinton claimed that dishonor first.
The only context in which the events of 11/9/2001 make anything like sense is as the second half of an ultimatum.
So I think a highly pertinent question is: What was the first half? What demand did the US not accede to, in order for that to be the payback?
bluerizlagirl @ # 3: What demand did the US not accede to, in order for that to be the payback?
As always with the Middle East, that involves lots of convoluted and contradictory stories.
One of those entangles with Saddam Hussein’s (sort-of US-approved) invasion of Kuwait. The Saudis braced for the possibility of being next in line, and Osama bin Laden offered to muster his Afghanistan veterans to defend the homeland. The king decided instead to accept Dubya Daddy’s proposal to station US troops there (including Jewish ones!!1!), and that seriously antagonized OBL and other hardcore Wahhabis.
With the bin Ladens also tightly involved with the royal family, surely all sorts of dynastic inside-baseball dynamics factored in as well.
Huh? That’s pretty much the only way they don’t make sense.
The events of Sept. 11 (that is, the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon) were a consequence (well, one of them) of the USA’s military and economic imperialism in the Middle East over the past half century or so. Most people there (rightly) blame the USA for much of their misery over the past century, so it’s no surprise that some individuals decided to retaliate.
The USAan reaction to the Sept. 11 attacks has simply confirmed the impression in most of the world that the USA is an amoral bully, especially towards non-Western nations, and thus made those attacks seem justified.
It’s worth noting that most of the people that the USA has vilified as enemies of the USA were originally supported by the USA, e.g., Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.
> Thanks to the US response to the attack, there are “officially” over 37,000 military dead
> from Iraq and Afghanistan
Not to mention the in the order of 10x as many civilian victims.