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Jul 20 2012

Episode CCCLI: Going goth

Well, gosh, threadketeers, this week we’ve learned that atheist chicks are easy and goth. Easy is, well, easy, but I had to look up how to be goth. Just in case, here’s the answer.

Oh, my…I already liked Siouxsie and the Banshees and the Cure. I’m almost there!

(Episode CCCL: All hail the Swarmanoid.)

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  1. 501
    Tethys

    *reads the Aurora victim’s article*

    WTF, Westboro satan worshippers are planning to “super-picket” the memorial in fucking Support of the shooter?!

    I just do not get it. *sobs*
    ____

    Oggie

    I have three boxes of PTSD that live in my head.
    One is labeled childhood, one is rape, and one is horrific car accident.

    I wish they would stay locked, as the demons in the boxes are exceedingly cruel and manipulative. They love to whisper in my ear that I deserve such horrible treatment, while making me relive all the helpless, screaming horror.

    It sucks. It sucks even more if people tell me that my reactions are wrong, and I need to deal with those traumas.

    I do not want to deal with them. It is so fucking unfair that those things occurred in the first place. Being told that I need to “get over it” now sends me into rage mode.

    There is no getting over it. There is no way to make sense of it.
    I cannot undo the trauma. I can only try to be the kind nurturing parent to the inner severely hurt me.

    Sometimes one of the demons gets out of the box, and I live in dread of what the demon remembers that I have managed to block from my memory. It is a very valid reason to leave the fucking box alone. Nothing good comes out of that box.

    huge hugs

    *sobs more*

  2. 502
    drbunsen, le savant fous

    A million hugs, Ogvorbis :(

  3. 503
    drbunsen, le savant fous

    Tethys, it has been proposed – and makes sense to me – that the WBC is a money-making IRL troll operation. Offend as grotesquely as possible within the bounds of the law, wait till local govt transgresses a legal right of theirs, or someone punches them. Sue. Ka-ching.

  4. 504
    drbunsen, le savant fous

    And a million more hugs for you too :(

  5. 505
    Antiochus Epiphanes

    Og: I have no wisdom, just sympathy.
    *shoulder chuck*

    Markita: Sadly, no. I just thought it was the best pic/article about Argiope aurantia that I found.

  6. 506
    Inaji

    Ixchel, I mentioned Prazosin because I’ve taken it before. I’m hypnophobic and Oneirophobic and have been since early childhood. I’m chronically sleep deprived and have been since early childhood. I can only sleep under certain circumstances (REM suppression is a must) and I don’t sleep for long periods.

    I don’t know what might work for Ogvorbis. Nothing really works fantastically for me, but well enough for me to function. When I ended up getting the scrip for Prazosin, it was some years ago and I was going through a very bad period, I wasn’t being successful with dream suppression and when that happens, I can generally be found, fully asleep, running down the street naked and screaming my head off. Not only is that sort of shit stressful, things like having someone lock me in and all that don’t work. Okay, enough about my fucked-uppedness.

  7. 507
    Tethys

    *wallows in pile o’ hugs*

  8. 508
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    *sneaks in and adds a couple of million hugs to the pile*
    *dumps in some kittens for good measure*

  9. 509
    Rev. BigDumbChimp

    If anyone is looking for an intertesting “cookbook” with some good writing, culture and history this is pretty good.

    Wild Fermentation: The Flavor, Nutrition, and Craft of Live-Culture Foods

    There is a Kindle version too.

    There is some slight straying into Woo but also some decent science (yes a combo).

  10. 510
    carlie

    Argh. That’s the societal idea that raped = irrevocably broken, and it is NOT TRUE. Lifetime effects yes, but entirely broken, no. If that jerk starts up again, ask him how he explains how the annual suicide rate is nowhere near the annual sexual assault rate. Or just tell him to look up the stats himself and walk off. You don’t need to engage with people like that.

    Onion girl – will you post a notice here once the email goes out? That will help those of us who are paranoid about whether we filled out the forms properly to get counted. :)

    Also big hugs for Tethys.

  11. 511
    Ms. Daisy Cutter, General Manager for the Cleveland Steamers

    Markita Lynda:

    It was related to children of alcoholics / children from dysfunctional families concepts.

    Anything 12-step-related should be treated with, at best, caution. Those programs are derived from fundie xtianity and are profoundly anti-intellectual.

  12. 512
    chigau (違う)

    More *hugs* for Oggie.
    (one of your cow orkers is an insensitive git)

  13. 513
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    A pet peeve I’ve been reminded of in the Paterno thread:
    The saying “there are two sides to every story”.

  14. 514
    ChasCPeterson

    I’d say anybody who orks cows is an insensitive git.

  15. 515
    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    I don’t think he’s an insensitive git. He has no idea what happened to me and has no way of knowing. He is an ignorant and uninformed git, but not insensitive.

  16. 516
    Ms. Daisy Cutter, General Manager for the Cleveland Steamers

    So, okay, this thread about inappropriate come-ons to women is a week old and some of you have seen it already, but, really…

    So, I am bound by what others consider to be basic etiquette? What I want to know is why people establish such etiquette, and why it should be respected. If this isn’t about harm, then what? Personal preference?

    Who determines these boundaries you speak of. How does one learn them?

    The rest of the thread is even less surprising. Also, Anna Bucci is still a Chill Girl™.

  17. 517
    Inaji

    Anyone know how I would say “humourless about rape” in French?

  18. 518
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    qui manque d’humour sur le viol

    I don’t know a single word for humourless

  19. 519
    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    Je n’ai aucun sens d’humour en ce qui à violer!

  20. 520
    Ingdigo Jump

    Ing, you mean “eradicate”, right? I’m guessing your autocorrect is in overdrive, you said “irradiate” on that “I wish we didn’t have Atheists saying this” thread too.

    I was tried and have to rely a lot on spell check and autocorrect…grrrr.

  21. 521
    Setár, Elvenkitty

    Ms. Daisy Cutter #475:

    Christ, Setár, I’m so sorry you had to deal with that shit at the counter-demo. And those fuckrags do their best to upset pro-choicers because, like Phred Phelch, they’re hoping pro-choicers will be provoked into physically attacking them.

    Indeed. In fact, this event combined with the false-balance bit you helped me out with at Ophelia’s caused me to write a post: Politics Is Warfare, or How I Learned The Meaning Of False Balance

    FWIW, I understand what you mean by conditioning. Like I said before, gaslighting in your formative years is tough.

    More like gaslighting at home, with me attending small-ruralish-suburb schools that had really really fucking apathetic “just ignore it” “boys will be boys kids will be kids” “they’re just looking for attention” faculty for all but three years.

    When I moved back to that district at the start of 9th grade and saw how fucking tiny my high school was (it had barely twice as many students as the elementary school I’d attended in grades 6-7), and remembered what hell I’d gone through those past three years triyng to make any friends in the urban district, I decided “fuck this, I’m not going to get anything but more pain from smashing my head against a brick wall trying to get ‘into’ everyone’s friendgroups and failing” and checked out of society, hiding my disproportionate reactions as best I could. (And when they did come out (namely, when I got competitive in gym), it was just more of the same. Even when someone deliberately incited my by fake-masturbating after scoring a goal on me, after it was well-known that getting me competitive and then making me lose was an easy way for me to get mad.)

  22. 522
    Setár, Elvenkitty

    Also, -hugs- and kittens for Ogvorbis.

  23. 523
    Ingdigo Jump

    Nalbar ryfr abgvpr gung Onar vf onfvpnyyl Rivy Nyserq?

  24. 524
    chigau (違う)

    Oggie
    I think a sensible person would understand that the chances that someone in the room had similar a experience or knows someone with similar experience are quite high.

  25. 525
    Inaji

    Beatrice & Ogvorbis, thank you!

  26. 526
    kristinc, now with added ventilation

    Today’s estate sale find: a pair of sewing shears. Feel like good-quality shears, but the interesting thing about them was that they were engraved with the owner’s name. Not fancy “this is a gift” engraving but utilitarian “marking this with my name” engraving, the kind done with an inexpensive engraving pen in careful cursive. I realized that the only reason to mark one’s shears with one’s name is probably that one is apt to lay one’s shears next to similar shears owned by someone else, meaning, this person was a part of a sewing or quilting circle for a long time.

    I asked the people running the estate sale and I was right; the lady in question had quilted and sewn for many many years. She’d lived in Kenya, Nigeria, and Germany in addition to the US and clearly adopted other cultures’ textile traditions into her own work (I saw some of her handwoven pieces). All of that is gone now because she has severe Alzheimer’s. She was there at the sale and her husband and children were minding her closely: telling her when to blow her nose, sitting her down and putting her sandwich in her hands and so on.

    I will keep sewing with her shears.

  27. 527
    Lynna, OM

    A Moment of Mormon Madness — this one contains instructions for stalking children and for pressuring the parents.

    [excerpt from]… a quarterly newsletter from our Stake Primary Presidency that featured a two page article about how to “reach out to” inactive Primary children. Here are some of the suggestions listed in the directive, given to all Stake Primary workers, on how to “nurture each little lamb into your Primary fold”:

    - Hold special fasts for specific children as a presidency
    - Pray for them, frequently and by name
    - Visit, Visit, Visit. Make frequent contact. Take them a treat. Take them a birthday gift. Encourage their teacher to visit. Have them make a call whenever the child isn’t at church.
    - Have the children in their class make a card for the inactive child and go as a class to deliver the card.
    - Mail cards to them occasionally – Give the teachers a supply of cards to use for contact.
    - Offer them rides.
    - Call them on the phone
    - Take them an Article of Faith card with a picture of Christ on the front.
    - Take a CTR ring to a missing child
    - Be willing to get out of your comfort zone. Be brave and not afraid to ask direct questions.
    - Be constantly aware of the children. Make contact outside of church setting like at school, on the soccer field etc.
    - Build a relationship with the child and the family.
    - Invite them to sit with you
    - Help them have a friend at church.
    - Tell them you miss them and want them back.
    - Ask “Will you” questions. Don’t ask “would you like to come to Primary some time?” ask “will you come to Primary next Sunday?”
    - Invite children to participate in Scouting or Activity Days, even if they don’t attend on Sunday.
    - As directed by the Spirit, call parents of less active children to teach in Primary.
    - Use your ward council. Activation is a group effort. All organizations need to be involved. The parents need nurturing and need to feel welcome when they come.
    - Bear your testimony to them when you visit. It may be the only chance they have to be touched by the spirit.

  28. 528
    cicely

    Josh: I can’t put down the cane. I’ll fall.

    Oh, I see; you mean that I should stop brandishing it in the general vicinity of your…Legumes of Loathsomeness. Easy done.

    I don’t want to risk contaminating my cane with them, anyway.
    -
    *hugs* for Setar. Moral support at at distance may not be much help, but you has it.
    -

    Y’all are not therapists or psychiatrists (or, if you are, you are smart enough not to try to help people with delusions of problems) and I need to stop treating this place like the couch in a psychiatrists office. I apologize for dumping this shit here and will stop doing so. All of it.

    Wait. Don’t be hasty. Having a safe space to vent in is very helpful. At the very least, venting it here means not keeping it bottled up there, until you explode under pressure. Ogvorbis bits everywhere. I don’t think anyone wants that.

    I have no idea who I am even talking to here. I mean, I recognize the nyms, I have gotten bits and pieces of life histories, of careers, of families, of pets, but you really are a bunch of strangers to me. You don’t know who I am and I don’t know who you are.

    And everybody outside our own heads is, to some degree, a stranger. Heck, to some degree many of us are strangers to ourselves, inside our own heads. That doesn’t make our acquaintanceship here unreal or invalid, any more than acquaintancship in Real Life is unreal or invalid.

    And all that stuff carlie said @473.
    -

  29. 529
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Caine,

    You’re welcome.

    Although, INAFS (I’m not a french speaker) so take it with some salt.

  30. 530
    cicely

    *hugs* for Tethys.

    In fact, *hugs&bacon&chocolate&warmfuzzykittens* for everyone.

    And *squids*.
    -

  31. 531
    strange gods before me ॐ

    I thought “irradiate” was deliberately vivid, like, dump them into a reactor core.

  32. 532
  33. 533
    Ms. Daisy Cutter, General Manager for the Cleveland Steamers

    For the textile-history geeks: 600-year-old bra and underpants found in an Austrian castle.

    I found this at Ginmar’s LJ. There’s a fascinating comment there about how privilege, here in the sense of being “high-born,” lets you get away with the most amazing (and gross) things.

  34. 534
    birgerjohansson

    ixchel,
    “dump them into a reactor core”
    (flashback to Doctor Who, “The Hand of Fear”)

    — — — — — — —
    “When the ‘Good Guys’ Rape Too” http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/julie-tomlin/the-good-guys-can-rape-too_b_1692117.html

  35. 535
    Ingdigo Jump

    Had a brain wave and changed nyme…don’t know if it will stick

  36. 536
  37. 537
    strange gods before me ॐ

    birger, never seen it, but that is a seriously cool costume.

  38. 538
    Inaji

    Daisy:

    Oh, for chrissakes.

    The same as transgender, eh? Hmmm. Now all I can think about is Grrl.

  39. 539
    Ingdigo Jump

    @Ixchel

    Costume reminds me of the tree people

  40. 540
    Inaji

    Ixchel:

    birger, never seen it, but that is a seriously cool costume.

    If I were to imagine you in a costume, it would be this one.

  41. 541
    drbunsen, le savant fous

    Ms. Daisy Cutter, from your link at #36:

    Questions that Gerbasi states as being deliberately designed to draw parallels with Gender identity disorder (GID) … were answered “yes” by 24% and 29% of respondents, respectively. Gerbasi “tentatively dubbed” this condition “Species Identity Disorder”, saying that “the similarities between their connection to their species and aspects of GID are striking”.

    emphasis mine

    Now, I’m jes’ a lowly amacher, and not one o’ them fancy college edumacated scienticians, but somethin shore do seem a mite #doingitwrong about that.

  42. 542
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Well, I can honestly say that Dark Knight Returns is just as good the second time around.

    This time, I spotted the Patrick Leahy (yes, that one) cameo. I LOL’d.

    Also: tempura sushi. For the win.

  43. 543
    drbunsen, le savant fous

    Every time I see rot13 text, there’s a moment where I think it’s Elvish, or Klingon or something.

  44. 544
    strange gods before me ॐ

    Caine,

    If I were to imagine you in a costume, it would be this one.

    lawl! “formerly human creature from an extradimensional realm” is right on, but let’s take my costume on pharynguwiki and stick pins in it!

  45. 545
    Pteryxx

    (more on military rape) via birgerjohansson’s link above:

    It also seems that we are willing to look at military rape, in a way that we aren’t at, say, college rape, which is just as systemic, because the icon of the “military woman” is one of the few we have of a woman who is blameless.

    How can our culture imagine a military woman as a “virtuous” victim, and thus more readily look at what happened to her?

    She has sacrificed herself – that ultimate cultural marker for female virtue – and is facing dangers on our behalf. She is not out on her own, uncontrolled, being wild or “asking for it”. She is, rather, in a state of discipline, under command, subordinated to the ultimate patriarchal control system. Also – though this is ridiculous to have to point out but bears noting if you follow the standard trajectory of rape prosecutions – military women generally get raped, when they do, while wearing a shapeless, sexless uniform: this takes off the table the usual inquiry into whether a woman was dressed “provocatively”.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/14/culture-coverup-rape-ranks-us-military

  46. 546
    Ms. Daisy Cutter, General Manager for the Cleveland Steamers

    Dr. Bunsen: Fuckin’ leading questions, how do they work?

    (BTW, did you receive my LJ messages?)

    ***

    Apropos of nothing, I feel a great deal better after having eaten most of an entire head of garlic today, and a freaking huge head of garlic at that. One of those heirloom varietals with pink- and red-streaked skin. I have no idea if it has any proven health benefits beyond those you can get from the regular heads of garlic you get at the supermarket. Maybe it was just quantity.

    It also helped that it got warmer and stickier here today. I normally don’t like that kind of weather, but I did stop shivering. Is there any validity to the concept that you can “sweat out” whatever’s afflicting you, or is that just woo? Because it did feel good to sweat today, and usually it just feels gross.

  47. 547
    drbunsen, le savant fous

    kristinc:

    I will keep sewing with her shears.

  48. 548
    ibyea

    @Esteleth
    You mean Rises. /pedant

  49. 549
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    drbunsen:
    I am not sure of Klingon, but Elvish looks quite distinct from rot13.
    For one, it is written using the Tengwar alphabet, not the Latin alphabet (BTW: is anyone surprised that the Pfft has an extensive article on the Tengwar?).

    Secondly, even transliterated, it looks quite different.

    For example: the last words of Gilaen, Onen i-Estel Edain, ú-chebin estel anim, (“I gave Hope to the Edain, I have kept no hope for myself”) would, if encoded in rot13 from the English translation be V tnir Ubcr gb gur Rqnva, V unir xrcg ab ubcr sbe zlfrys. Which, um. Not the same.

    Then, of course, is the fact that “Elvish” is not one language, it is a family of languages, like the Romance languages are a family of languages. The quote above is in Sindarin, for example.

    (Sorry, I am a nerd)

    (Nan accanóla!

  50. 550
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Ibeya:

    *waves hand*

    Yes, yes.

    (Rise!!!)

  51. 551
    ibyea

    Oh, and I watched the Dark Knight Rises with the DC Horde last night. It was a pretty awesome movie. I don’t think it is as good as the Dark Knight, but it is pretty close.

  52. 552
    ibyea

    Things I liked a lot of the movie:
    a) Even though Alfred appeared only very shortly in this movie, every scene of him was amazing and moving.
    b) Anne Hathaway as the Catwoman for me is the official Catwoman. No other Catwoman can or will top this one for me.
    c) Bane makes an absolutely terrifying villain.
    d) John Blake was a really great original character for Nolan’s Batman universe.
    e) The French revolution vibe I felt during Gotham’s siege.

  53. 553
    carlie

    Update: perhaps someone may remember aeons ago when I took over the thread with wailings on the lack of decent portable footstools for the perennially short. After all the advice, I got one all calculated out – size, angle of cuts, etc. I waited until I was at my parents’ house for the annual visit so my dad could use the good tools to cut the pieces properly (table saw, circular saw, router…), had to make a few adaptations. Brought them back, two coats of stain, three coats of polyurethane, and finally put it all together tonight…

    To find that I hadn’t made an allowance for the width of the folded boards on the backside, since the angle of one requires the hinge to be a half-inch inset instead of at the edge, so at the length I cut them they overlapped. *headdesk*

    So I just used a jigsaw (the best tool I had available) to cut a half inch off of each leg piece. Had to do it to both or the angle of cut would be off. And of course it peeled the polyurethane a bit and had a few splinters up into the edges, although not too bad. Sanded hopefully enough to make a straight enough edge to sit well on the ground, re-stained the bottoms, will re-seal tomorrow, and then again, and then again, and hopefully it won’t be too noticeable and will be sealed to the upper edges so the sealant won’t crack, and then I can screw it all back together again. SHEESH. And then hope that at the shorter overall height it still does any good for me at all.

    But when it’s done it will be MINE and it will be PERFECT and it had damn well better not break the first time I use it.

  54. 554
    Ingdigo Jump

    Oh did anyone else notice the reference to BTAS?

  55. 555
    drbunsen, le savant fous

    Ms Daisy, yes I did receive your messages on LJ, but I have the attention spLOOK A PUPPYan of an eight year old. I’m vaguely intimidated by DW for reasons which probably aren’t actual reasons.

  56. 556
    Sili

    I feel a great deal better after having eaten most of an entire head of garlic today, and a freaking huge head of garlic at that.

    Why would you do that?

    Do you roll around in nettles for fun, too?

  57. 557
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    You know what I want?

    An oven that, an hour after I set it to heat to 350 is actually at 350.

  58. 558
    A. R

    [Crosspost TZT]

    OK, sorry I’ve dropped off the face of the internet for the past week, but I’ve been insanely busy with one of the worst weeks in recent memory. It began with entirely purposeless training and “orientation” and ended with me being transferred from ER to the Neurobehavioral Health Unit (translation, Geriatric Psychiatric Lockdown Unit), which is basically the worst possible transfer for a person trained for ER work. Thankfully, I get to go back to ER on December 16th (I’m counting down the days). Of course, that’s during my Winter break, which is perfect, since I won’t miss the Christmas Eve/Christmas ER jollies. In any case, if I disappear or snap at a troll/particularly annoying regular, you know why now.

  59. 559
    strange gods before me ॐ

    Ing, or anybody else who can answer my questions,

    is a3kr0n an asshole? what did a3kr0n do?

  60. 560
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    It looks as if Improbable Joe needs help.

  61. 561
    tim rowledge, Ersatz Haderach

    kristinc –

    Today’s estate sale find: a pair of sewing shears. Feel like good-quality shears,

    High quality shears are impressive bits of engineering. We recently inherited an old set from a several-generations-ago family business. They must weight alb or so, which might seem outrageous but they’re very well designed for purpose. The bottom blade is wide and flat so it sits squarely on the cutting table and slide easily. The upper blade is most of the weight, being a very large flat bar rather than the more typical tapered shape. The weight helps with the effort of cutting through thick suit making fabrics; trading effort opening the blades for net effort cutting the cloth. Very interesting design trade-offs.

    Another impressive bit of engineering I read recently is from Ed “Two Toruks” Yong’s Not Exactly Rocket Science blog – We took a rat apart and rebuilt it as a jellyfish. Cool stuff.

  62. 562
    Ingdigo Jump

    @Ixchel

    He’s in my killfile under asshole

  63. 563
    John Morales

    Markita:

    It looks as if Improbable Joe needs help.

    Bah.

  64. 564
    ibyea

    Oh no, the elections is doomed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wENaZIGP5Y&list=UU1yBKRuGpC1tSM73A0ZjYjQ&index=1&feature=plcp

    A Republican win is so possible. I am scared.

  65. 565
    theophontes (恶六六六缓步动物)

    @ A.R

    Hi A.R !

  66. 566
    Rawnaeris, Lulu Cthulhu

    The Rationalia thread is depressing me, but I can’t seem to stop reading it….

  67. 567
    Cipher

    Ing, or anybody else who can answer my questions,

    is a3kr0n an asshole? what did a3kr0n do?

    Yes. Flounced, then failed to stick the flounce, I think because something something feminism. I forget what exactly hir objection was.

  68. 568
    Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

    @Markita:

    It looks as if Improbable Joe needs help.

    …mostly moral support, unless someone knows Elton John and thinks he can do one more version of “Candle in the Wind” and donate the proceeds to me, my wife, our dog, and the 9-10 cats we’re currently feeding. Otherwise, just the moral support would be great.

  69. 569
    chigau (違う)

    Improbable Joe
    *loading Words Of Encouragement™ into the USB*

  70. 570
    Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

    LOL @chigau

    At this point, I’ll take what I can get and thanks for it.

  71. 571
    Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

    Oh, and if you can email me some pizza rolls?

  72. 572
    chigau (違う)

    Improbable Joe
    no pizza rolls but I do have rasberries.

  73. 573
    thunk: y'all know ageism is a thing?

    Dang! Another general nym change!

    ibyea:

    Oh great. But Nate Silver still has a 2-1 prob of Obama win.

  74. 574
    Inaji

    Ixchel:

    lawl! “formerly human creature from an extradimensional realm” is right on, but let’s take my costume on pharynguwiki and stick pins in it!

    :falls over laughing: I think I prefer to see you as Pinhead, “I’ll tear your soul apart.” Heh.

  75. 575
    Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

    chigau, do those email well?

  76. 576
    Inaji

    Ixchel:

    is a3kr0n an asshole? what did a3kr0n do?

    Yes, they are an asshole. Every post tended to be a stupid one liner, never posted anything of substance. Several feminism/sexism threads back, moaned and whinged about the icky subject and what the fuck was wrong with PZ, couldn’t he post about biology already? Then announced he was a leavin’, because of all the icky wimmin posts, then refused to stick the flounce multiple times.

  77. 577
    chigau (違う)

    I usually picture ॐ as Mr. Universe from Serenity.
    {connected to Everything™}
    {but with a different ‘bot}
    [I meant the above as a compliment. (in case other people's fantasy worlds are different from mine)]

  78. 578
    thunk: y'all know ageism is a thing?

    Chigau:

    What’s the parenthetical now?

  79. 579
    chigau (違う)

    Improbable Joe
    Actually, my raspberries are best straight into the mouth or freezer.
    But I’m sure USB delivery gets rid of potential mold.
    Like StarTrek transporters.

  80. 580
    Cipher

    I usually picture ॐ as Mr. Universe from Serenity.

    ^_^
    Your fantasy world is fun.

  81. 581
    chigau (違う)

    thunk
    my current parenthetical = “Make your own sandwich!” (for no particular reason)
    You can copy-paste almost anything into gooletranslate and get an approximation of almost anything.
    “approximation” is important.

  82. 582
    John Morales

    Otherwise, just the moral support would be great.

    May you receive your just desserts, Joe the Improbable, in spades.

  83. 583
    chigau (違う)

    My back hurts.

  84. 584
    chigau (違う)

    Baby skunks are really cute.
    (really dark, camera somewhere else…)

  85. 585
    chigau (違う)

    trust me!

  86. 586
    chigau (違う)

    This is so tempting…

  87. 587
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Tethys @1:
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Trigger Warning
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Words cannot express how massively angry I am with the “humans” who comprise WBC. I’m on my phone so I can’t link to it, but an article in the Guardian about the Aurora tragedy mentions that a six year old girl was among those killed. Her mother didn’t find out for two more days.
    FUCK the WBC.
    For all goddam eternity.

  88. 588
    birgerjohansson

    Ixchel, Ing, Eldrad’s outfit looked very similar to the modified mutoid warriors in the arena episode of Blake’s Seven. Of course, both TV series were made by BBC so there was likely some recycling…
    — — — —
    Those who work the hardest now will get the most meat in their balls
    http://www.thelocal.se/41466/20120615/
    — — — —
    The Onion: Sadly, Nation Knows Exactly How Colorado Shooting’s Aftermath Will Play Out http://www.theonion.com/articles/sadly-nation-knows-exactly-how-colorado-shootings,28857/
    .
    NRA: ‘Please Try To Remember All The Wonderful Things Guns Do For Us Every Day’
    http://www.theonion.com/articles/nra-please-try-to-remember-all-the-wonderful-thing,28858/
    Yeah, where would we be without massacre-frendly 100 round ammo magazines available at gun fairs.

  89. 589
    Wowbagger, Designated Snarker

    Loftus has a new post: On the Stupidity and Divisiveness of PZ Myers and His Cadre of Followers; he’s somehow managed to get even more bitter and deranged over the last few weeks, and he sounds like his head is going to literally explode.

  90. 590
    birgerjohansson

    “No feminine mystique here: Women’s health care problems glaringly clear” http://scienceblogs.com/thepumphandle/2012/07/20/no-feminine-mystique-here-womens-health-care-problems-glaringly-clear/

  91. 591
    Wowbagger, Designated Snarker

    Oh, and I came across the spittle-flecked Loftus screed via Jeremy Stangroom; can someone confirm for me that he (Stangroom) is an accomodationist who’s previously castigated PZ and co. for taking a harsh stance against Christians?

  92. 592
    Ms. Daisy Cutter, General Manager for the Cleveland Steamers

    Sili, why do you hate on teh garlic? It is awesomely delicious.

  93. 593
    John Morales

    Wowbagger,

    No, I hang my head in shame at him. I call upon him to repent in dust and ashes and plead for mercy before a growing number of atheists tired of his shit. Someone has even gone to the trouble of making a parody of his site.

    Ayup, Loftus has lost it, alright.

  94. 594
    Ariaflame, BSc, BF, PhD

    I think of it this way. If those are people who think they are our enemies. Then I’m pretty glad to be thought to be not one of them.

    I feel obscurely comforted in knowing that if I said anything monumentally stupid that someone here would bring that to my attention, possibly forcefully.

  95. 595
    birgerjohansson

    “Public health: Towards a cure for HIV” http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v487/n7407/full/487293a.html
    (The “Berlin patient” is a dead ringer for Dr Tony Hill.)
    — — — —
    Considering the age of the WBC cult leader. I doubt they will be around for much longer.
    — — — —
    Does any Brit know if there are any signs of the liberal democrats thowing their party leader under the bus soon?
    I mean, if they have any self-preservation instincts left…
    And unlike the tories they have not been immersed into “austerity solves everything” since birth.

  96. 596
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Good morning

    So, here’s the full Berlin write-up
    It was really, really great to meet David and Jules. Sadly we had to break up early on the second day because #1 was sick. Fortunately she got much better after she puked on the underground platform so we didn’t have to spend the rest of our trip inside.
    What was a bit sad was that either my aunt with whom I was staying either became very narrow-minded in the last years or I never realized it before. She always was kind of my icon for being open and cool and everything what really shocked me was when she almost made a remark how children “make up accusations od abuse to get some attention and be interesting”. Fortuantely she didn’t finish it an I was just flabberghasted that she’d fall for such crap (she falls for a lot of crap, like carbohydrates are bad for you and sausages are better if made from chicken).
    Maybe I just really grew up lately :(
    But here are the promised pictures

    Unfortunately, some pests smelled that I was away for a week and infested my tomatoes. Sprayed them and now I’m feeling itchy all over.

    Improbable JOe
    Put up a tip jar on your blog?
    Seriously.

  97. 597
    Matt Penfold

    Does any Brit know if there are any signs of the liberal democrats thowing their party leader under the bus soon?
    I mean, if they have any self-preservation instincts left…
    And unlike the tories they have not been immersed into “austerity solves everything” since birth.

    Nope, no sign at all. Probably because Clegg made all the MPs sign up to the coalition policies, so there no MP left who claim any moral high ground.

  98. 598
    Louis

    Evenaftermorning all,

    I am back at work, lunch in one hand, coffee in the other, typing away at the keyboard. I’ve been in since six a.m., the email backlog is cleared, the reactions are set up, the praise/bollockings have been delivered where appropriate, meetings have been arranged and had and arranged again. Heaven.

    Don’t get me wrong but a “holiday” consisting of potty training a recalcitrant three year old who has decided that his new sport is “piss on dada” in a domicile that now smells like a swimming pool, whilst also having to visit in laws and parents to receive equal measure of Lack of Understanding and Pointless Interference has been less relaxing than real work.

    Mind you, I did manage to get my son to ask to use the potty for the first time, so I am validated as a human being.

    Hugs and grog all round. Chocolate for those that need it.

    Louis

  99. 599
    John Morales

    Louis:

    Don’t get me wrong but a “holiday” consisting of potty training a recalcitrant three year old who has decided that his new sport is “piss on dada” in a domicile that now smells like a swimming pool, whilst also having to visit in laws and parents to receive equal measure of Lack of Understanding and Pointless Interference has been less relaxing than real work.

    You want sympathy? Bah.

    (You can’t manage a 3-y-o?! You ever heard of contraception? ;) )

    (My local as I write this is 2123, FTTW)

  100. 600
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    I am tired. I’m mildly hungover. I’m slightly miserable. I just want to go home right now, but I don’t have the hours to do so T^T

  101. 601
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Louis
    My sympathies. I have an almost 3yo who, for some reason unknown to me:
    -loves her diaper
    -loses control of her bladder as soon as there’s an undie on the butt.

    ++++
    I haz stoopid
    Tomorrow we’Re going to celebrate #1′s birthday at the kindergarten which was closed for holidays at the actual date, so I’m making cupcakes. I generously quadrupled the original recipe, only to remember when I had the dough finished that more than half the group left before the holidays for school…
    Anybody want a cupcake?

  102. 602
    Matt Penfold

    Tomorrow we’Re going to celebrate #1′s birthday at the kindergarten which was closed for holidays at the actual date, so I’m making cupcakes. I generously quadrupled the original recipe, only to remember when I had the dough finished that more than half the group left before the holidays for school…

    Two things one can never make to much of, cake and roast potatoes.

  103. 603
    Louis

    Giliell,

    My sympathies, you have them!

    My infant is not so much lacking in bladder control (any more, at least THAT hurdle appears to be cleared….ish) as he is completely stubborn! He has decided that he is not to be interrupted, even by his bodily functions, and the soft furnishings be damned.

    He was sat by me on the computer the other day and pissed on the chair, which subsequently dribbled into the potty waiting underneath him. I did not know whether to laugh or cry, he can’t master the potty properly and now he’s going for trick shots?! ;-)

    If I can take a USB cupcake or two to hand out to the lad when potty training by Evil Dada resumes this evening, I shall be most grateful.

    Louis

    P.S. No John, I was not looking for sympathy. A mop perhaps, but sympathy, no. I don’t get the local/2123 reference…I has a thick. Sowwy.

  104. 604
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    And I want olives. Tasty, green, meaty olives.

    Maybe some of those little cornichon pickles too.

  105. 605
    Louis

    {Sends USB cornichons and green olives to Katherine Lorraine}

    Hey Katherine Lorraine,

    Hangover? I just got over one (Health kick failed AGAIN, it re-starts tomorrow. Again. For the umpteenth time. I is a bad Louis). Drinking your bodyweight in Guinness? Baaaaaad idea.

    You have my sympathies. The fact that hangovers are “self inflicted” is a red herring to me. Hangovers are a serious illness brought on by acute alcohol deficiency. They should be treated with suitable refreshments, drugs, and sympathy.

    Louis

  106. 606
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    @Louis:

    Nah, it was just slightly too much rum added to a rum and coke. You know how it is, you’re pouring the drink and it has that little extra splash? You can’t put it back in the bottle, it’d waste it. Might as well drink it all.

    Crap, too much rum.

    I probably shouldn’t do hard liquor, now that I think about it – unless I’m very careful. I could end up like a lot of my family did back in ‘the day.’ Alcoholics, all of them. I need to keep to my limits and like a stupid, I break past those limits all the time.

    I don’t want to stop, though, because I love the taste of drinks. It’s nothing to do with peer pressure or acceptance. There’s something lovely about a delightfully crisp wit or a hoppy, flowery märzen. There’s nothing better on a somewhat hot fall evening than popping the top of a hard cider.

  107. 607
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    Of course my saying that, I’m probably just rationalizing.

  108. 608
    Sili

    :falls over laughing: I think I prefer to see you as Pinhead, “I’ll tear your soul apart.” Heh.

    Isn’t that like “I’ll kick the fairies at the bottom of your garden”?

  109. 609
    Sili

    Sili, why do you hate on teh garlic? It is awesomely delicious.

    Everything in moderation.

  110. 610
    Matt Penfold

    Everything in moderation.

    There is no such thing when it comes to garlic.

  111. 611
    Tethys

    Giliell

    Thank you for the pictures. I especially like the dino/dragon skull, and the tiger.

    The strange creature on your bag is a ladybug larva.
    —-

    Thank you to cicely and carlie and Beatrice and Tony and anyone I missed.
    I hope we get new thread soon, as I am slightly mortified that my PTSD abuse sharing is 1st post. I do realize that those mortified feelings are a hallmark of the shaming part of abuse. (fucking demon..stfu and get back in the box)
    ___

    Sympathies for toilet training. I found that bribery for successfully using the toilet is helpful. Giving your child their own “potty watch” with the alarm set to go off at appropriate intervals was also a hit. Alarm goes off, time to potty!
    Success is rewarded with M&Ms.

  112. 612
    Ingdigo Jump

    Christ Loftus is an asshole. Someone is obsessed and douchy therefore you are wrong. Sound intellect there

  113. 613
    birgerjohansson

    Proto-Republicans?
    “Not just lone sharks: Social networks under the sea” http://phys.org/news/2012-07-lone-sharks-social-networks-sea.html
    It reminds me of the lawyer in “Top Ten”
    — — — —

    Phages -New recruits in the fight against disease http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-07-disease.html

    Sing for the win http://phys.org/news/2012-07-sing-for-the-win.html
    stealthily introducing (people) to notation by telling them what they’ve just sung.

  114. 614
    Pteryxx

    Tethys: ironically, I use M&Ms to reward my attempts to cope with PTSD. ;>

  115. 615
    Louis

    Katherine Lorraine,

    We do not use the “A” word. We refer to them as “Barman’s Friends” or “Ethanol Enthusiasts”. ;-)

    In all seriousness, I hear ya! Alcohol, like cocaine, World of Warcraft, bacon sandwiches, and copious public masturbation on intercampus buses at North American universities should be taken in moderation. I have made it a rule to never drink before midday.

    But then it’s always midday somewhere… ;-)

    Louis

    P.S. Another line we adults have to walk is the line between puritanical prudery and over indulgence. Ahhh adulthood.

  116. 616
    Louis

    Tethys,

    I love the alarm idea! I’m going to try that. Thanks very much.

    Louis

  117. 617
    Tethys

    Pteryxx

    M&M’s are yummy, but I have discovered Reisen chocolate caramels.
    I rewarded myself with an entire bag of them…oops. But I did make it through an entire family event without getting triggered!
    It was even fun!!

    Seriously though, I think some of my family finally understands that telling me “You need to get over that trauma.” is not helpful.

  118. 618
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    So the consensus:
    Garlic, raw carrots-good
    Peas, raisins-evil

    Amirite?

    .
    .
    .
    .

    cicely:
    I just realized the only thing worse than peas is fruitcake…

  119. 619
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Louis
    Do you want chocolate, chocolate chips, almond or strawberry?
    Stubborn and uninterested? That’s about it. If I let her rus around with her ass naked she’ll either go and search for a diaper, or she’ll just use the damn potty. If I put anything onto her un-diapered butt she’ll make a puddle.
    Trying to put her on the potty at certain intervals is met with such vehement opposition that it’ll only make matters worse (and I’m not willing to “break” her over this)
    If she deems a toilet interesting, she’ll run there every other minute.
    My hope is that she’ll just grow out of it when she starts kindergarten, being the only kid in diapers there. If that doesn’t work I’ll have to think of something different.

    Tethys
    Thanx for the info. I’ve never seen them before.
    BTW, since I read the newspaper yesterday on the train I know where your nym comes from :)

  120. 620
    Nightjar

    Garlic, raw carrots-good
    Peas, raisins-evil

    No, no, no. Those are all good.

    (Damn, you people are picky!)

  121. 621
    Louis

    Giliell:

    Do you want chocolate, chocolate chips, almond or strawberry?

    Yes.

    Louis

    ;-)

  122. 622
    Tethys

    Louis

    You’re welcome! I hope it works for you too.

  123. 623
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Nightjar:
    I implore thee, reject the Dark Side before its too late. You need only reject peas and raisins.
    Tho if you love pickles too, there’s no hope for you.
    (And yes, I’m quite picky an eater;major texture issues)

  124. 624
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Pickles! Yummy.

  125. 625
    Louis

    Peas are good. Raisins are lovely. Pickles are divine.

    It’s all about context. Peas accompanying classic fish and chips are lovely, peas in a green vegetable risotto I have just freshly made are (and I have no compunction about blowing my own trumpet* here) wonderful, pea puree with a lightly grilled sea bass or Dover sole is delicious, peas are even good with a roast, pea and ham soup as the basis for a pie floater is scrummy.

    Oatmeal and raisin cookies are nice, raisins in my erstwhile grandmother’s steamed fruit and nut cake recipe are heavenly. Raisin vodka’s pretty good, and raisins in a good bread and butter pudding (home made again) with fresh home made custard (from eggs, not powder) is to die for.

    Pickles in a salt beef sandwich or burger are lovely, a pickled silverskin onion in a martini is wonderful, chopped pickles on hotdogs are good too.

    Frankly a) I am now hungry, and b) you is all weird and shit.

    Louis

    * Steady.

  126. 626
    Pteryxx

    (rage warning) Via BB in Salon, investigation of deliberate cruelty of US border patrol agents:

    http://boingboing.net/2012/07/20/border-patrol-sadism-and-human.html

    John Carlos Frey investigates the deliberate cruelty of the US Border Patrol agents who work on the US-Mexican border. A humanitarian relief group called No More Deaths used hidden cameras to record smiling Border Patrol agents destroying water-caches left in areas where migrants have died of exposure. A former senior agent who left after witnessing horrific acts of torture and cruelty describes the way that Border Patrol agents delight in sadistic brutalizing of captured migrants. These accounts have been corroborated by the Red Cross and Doctors Without Borders.

    Main article:

    http://www.salon.com/2012/07/20/cruelty_on_the_border/

  127. 627
    Tethys

    Giliell

    Your spawn are beautiful.(especially when wearing ice cream) The pic with David M. is squeeable.
    Forgive my lack of normal human behavior ie; noticing bugs and critters before people. I was raised by wolves.

  128. 628
    Nightjar

    Tho if you love pickles too, there’s no hope for you.

    *sigh* I do love pickles.

    (I used to be accused of being a picky eater too. Then I became a vegetarian and most of my problems went away. For example, I never liked pork. No, not even bacon. Or ham (yuck). I know, I know. No hope for me.)

  129. 629
    Rev. BigDumbChimp

    Someone has a problem with pickles?

    Pickles are wonderful in almost every version I have had.

    I currently have a crock of kim chi fermenting away on my counter and about 5-6 jars of various pickles I’ve made (carrots, cukes, beets, other flavored cukes) in the fridge.

    pickles kick motherfucking ass.

  130. 630
    Tethys

    The only good pea is a raw pea. Otherwise they are bland squishy dust with plastic textured skins. *shudder* YMMVO

  131. 631
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Would anyone be interested in talking about tea? Specifically, I’m in the market for a nice black caffeinated tea to drink in the morning.
    I have experimented with the following:
    1) Redrose
    2) Twinings Earl Grey
    3) Republic of Tea Earl Greyer
    4) Twinings Irish Breakfast
    5) Lipton original
    6) Bigelow Earl Grey.

    Conclusions: Earl Grey (all of them) is too tannin-y and bitter. Especially when I’m filling my travel mug and tucking it into my bag. Much better in small doses. Also, Republic of Tea does odd things with their blends in general that I find iffy. Odd aftertastes and the like.

    Redrose and Lipton are … okay. But very meh. Lipton has a funny aftertaste as well.

    The Irish Breakfast is okay, but a bit on the bland side. Oddly, I have been unable to find caffeinated English Breakfast (only decaf).

    I bought a box of Yorkshire tea, but I have not yet tried it. Someone suggested that I try Tetley’s original, but the store only has huge boxes of them (like 100 bags).

    Suggestions, o other imbibers of Camellia sinensis!

  132. 632
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Tethys

    I was raised by wolves

    Funny, I thought they were more interested in rabbits and deer ;)

    Katherine
    Facing some similar “family history”, I have some sensible rules for my own alcohol-consumption. Maybe that’s an idea for you, too (allow for breaking them)

    kristinc
    I’d think that if the Lady were still capable of understanding, she’d be glad of knowing that a talented crafter got them.

  133. 633
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    The only value to be found in peas involves them being mashed up and used to make it easier to insert the porcupine.

  134. 634
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Also, just to pick a side in the other debate: I like pickles.

    Mostly pickles of the “sweet” variety (esp. the tiny baby gherkins. Pop ‘em in the mouth for a nice, crunchy snack!), but I find the taste of dill revolting. I like the “bread and butter” style, but I’m very picky about it – like, they had better be homemade and found in dusty Ball jars in the back of the pantry with faded labels.

    But pickles, no matter their variety, belong on, or associated with, sandwiches. Pickles are an on-their-own food.

  135. 635
    Matt Penfold

    Suggestions, o other imbibers of Camellia sinensis!

    If you like a strong tea, try an assam. Uf you are after something a bit brisker, ceylon is very good as well.

  136. 636
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Esteleth,

    Do they have Twinings selection packs where you buy tea?
    I usually buy a selection pack with English Breakfast, Early Grey, Lady Grey, Darjeeling and Prince of Wales so I can choose one that fits my mood best when I’m making tea. Of course, I’m a heathen who buys bags instead of loose leaf tea, I don’t know about you.

  137. 637
    Tethys

    Esteleth

    I like Stash ™ teas. Their double bergamot Earl Grey is wonderful.
    Lemon Blossom is very good hot or iced.
    Creme Caramel is a good decaf dessert tea.

  138. 638
    One Thousand Needles, lumper-splitter

    Oooh, I was going to drop in and introduce myself, but I’d much rather talk about tea.

    Esteleth, have you tried Bigelow’s Constant Comment? It has a citrusy edge that helps diminish the bitterness from the black tea.

    For any black tea, I’ve found that shortening the steeping time and not using a tea bag both help to cut back on the bitterness.

  139. 639
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Well, my usual method is that I buy bags to see if I like it, then I buy loose leaf.

    And when I say “buy loose leaf,” I mean I buy it by the pound.

    What is the difference between Earl Grey and Lady Grey? I like Darjeeling, but I am completely unfamiliar with Prince of Wales.

  140. 640
    Pteryxx

    (further warning for re-victimization)

    From that Salon article about human rights abuses by border agents. This sounded awfully familiar…

    After the incident, Doe was deported to Juarez. But the sexual assault haunted her. She fell into a deep depression and sought counseling. Her therapist urged her to file a complaint against the agent, to help her recovery, and she eventually returned to a Border Patrol facility in El Paso, Texas, to look at a photo lineup and file the necessary paperwork. According to Tania Chozet, her ACLU attorney at the time, Doe was taken into a private room by two female Border Patrol agents wearing reflective sunglasses who harshly interrogated about the reason for her visit. They asked her the same questions again and again, warned her not to lie, patted her down, and searched her clothing and shoes. “When Ms. Doe finally emerged,” Chozet says, “tears were streaming down her face.”

    By then, Jane Doe was too upset to proceed. She briefly looked at the photo lineup but couldn’t even focus on the faces. She failed to recognize her assailant and decided not to proceed with charges. “I can’t think of any other reason why they would have been so menacing, if they weren’t trying to intimidate her,” Chozet says. “My guess is that they were hoping that she would feel threatened enough to drop her complaint.”

  141. 641
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    And there is also Twinings flavoured black teas : lemon, blackcurrant, apple&cinnamon&raisin, four red fruits and vanilla.
    Four red fruits and blackcurrant are the best.

    I mostly buy Twinings teas. Most of those made here are shit and the more expensive ones are… more expensive. Twinings is a good middle.

  142. 642
    Alexandra (née Audley)

    Completely threadrupt, but I just have to mention that I found awesome dinosaur stencils for the nursery (finally)!

    http://www.stencilwarehouse.com/acatalog/Dinosaurs_Stencils.html

  143. 643
    Matt Penfold

    What is the difference between Earl Grey and Lady Grey?

    Earl Grey is flavoured with bergamot, which is a small citrus fruit, Lady Grey is flavoured with lemon. Except now, in the UK, Twinings have added lemon to their Earl Grey, and as a result rendered undrinkable.

    Also, you can drink Earl Grey with milk, but Lady Grey with milk is horrible.

  144. 644
    Ingdigo Jump

    What is the difference between Earl Grey and Lady Grey?

    Teabags?

  145. 645
    thunk: y'all know ageism is a thing?

    Esteleth:

    The one thing I’m not picky about is tea. Weird.

    I just drink whatever, neat.

  146. 646
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    One Thousand Needles:

    I don’t drink tea, but feel free to grab a bean bag. Welcome.
    .
    .
    Beatrice @:
    When I first read your post, I misread
    ‘Twinnigs’ as ‘Twilight’

  147. 647
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Tethys, I like Stash teas. But they are a bit on the pricy side. I see that you can get loose leaf through their website, but the supermarket only carries their stuff in bags. But I’ll try the double bergamot – I’ve seen it in bags at the store, so I’ll try it.

    Howdy, One Thousand Needles! Slide up to the bar, try some grog. I have not tried Constant Comment. *Adds to the list.*

  148. 648
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Prince of Wales tea is good. I’m not sure what’s in it. I have to admit that I divide my teas into : I like it and I don’t like it categories without bothering much about individual ingredients or subtle differences in flavours.

    I tried drinking tea with milk. Really. Different kinds of tea, just in case it was disgusting because I was using the wrong tea.
    But I can’t. I hate milk and it just ruins my tea.

  149. 649
    chigau (違う)

    Ing
    “Teabags”
    har!

  150. 650
    Rev. BigDumbChimp
    What is the difference between Earl Grey and Lady Grey?

    Teabags?

    zing!

  151. 651
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Tony,

    When I first read your post, I misread
    ‘Twinnigs’ as ‘Twilight’

    Twilight selection bags : each sparkling vampire boasts with his own dark flavour, but the overall impression is of four times strained soggy bag of angst.

  152. 652
    Ingdigo Jump

    Twilight Tea is of course decafe.

    Don’t try the Jacob one…it’s just a paper bad they draped over a slab of tender meat.

  153. 653
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Twilight teas: for that added sparkle.

  154. 654
    Tethys

    I tried drinking tea with milk. Really. Different kinds of tea, just in case it was disgusting because I was using the wrong tea.

    The only tea I enjoy with milk is Spiced Chai. But it is brewed extra strong and really needs the scalded milk to cut the tannins.

  155. 655
    One Thousand Needles, lumper-splitter

    I don’t drink tea, but feel free to grab a bean bag. Welcome.

    Don’t mind if I do!

    So let me get the gushing out of the way: I’m a huge fan of the regular Pharyngula commenters and the culture that y’all have created here. Your collective comments are always impressive in their insight, rationale, and prose.

    *ahem*

    I’ve found this place to be a refreshing haven lately, as my meatspace atheist and skeptic groups are dominated by concern trolls that are apathetic toward issues of social justice.

    Anyway, I’m looking forward to chatting here, and I’ll try not to make a fool of myself.

  156. 656
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    The only tea I enjoy with milk is Spiced Chai. But it is brewed extra strong and really needs the scalded milk to cut the tannins.

    Blasphemy! Black teas should always be taken with milk.

  157. 657
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Needles, the grog keg is over there. Nerd keeps it.

    Tea cart is over here. Help yourself!

    The quantum tomatoes are in the garden, along with the peas (but don’t tell Josh).

    The rotten porcupines are stored in the basket by the door.

  158. 658
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Blasphemy! Black teas should always be taken with milk.

    Uh, you can have all of mine. Milk, not tea.

  159. 659
    One Thousand Needles, lumper-splitter

    Does anyone else get a stomach ache if they have their tea without food? I found that I have to have a light snack if I have more than one cup of black tea.

  160. 660
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Probably the tannins, Needles.

  161. 661
    chigau (違う)

    Needles

    …I’ll try not to make a fool of myself…

    You’ll be the first, then.
    Welcome in!
    The banana bread will be out of the oven in 20 minutes.

  162. 662
    Rev. BigDumbChimp

    I feel that I’m getting ready to go on a long chaotic fermenting kick. My wife is going to be sooooooooo happy with all those bubbling crocks all over the kitchen. /sarcasm

    In fact my dog probably really will be happy. He already ate the beginning wild fermented sourdough starter last night.

    Asshole that he is.

  163. 663
    Matt Penfold

    Does anyone else get a stomach ache if they have their tea without food? I found that I have to have a light snack if I have more than one cup of black tea.

    As Esteleth said, it is almost certainly the tannins. Tannins are why most people drink black tea with milk, as molecules in the milk bind to the tannins and stop them from causing irritation to the stomach due to their astringent nature. If having you tea with milk is not to your taste, trying reducing the time you brew the tea.

  164. 664
    One Thousand Needles, lumper-splitter

    Poor tannins just can’t get a break.

  165. 665
    One Thousand Needles, lumper-splitter

    BigDumbChimp:

    Do you brew only beer, or do you ferment other foods/drinks as well?

  166. 666
    Alexandra (née Audley)

    Rev,
    Just be careful if you’re brewing beer! Hops are poisonous to dogs (even the assholes).

  167. 667
    Rev. BigDumbChimp

    No not beer, though that’s in the plan. This is all fermented food.

    And while my dog can be an asshole, he’s still a good dog.

    For an asshole.

  168. 668
    Louis

    Hops are poisonous to dogs’ arseholes?

    A day in which you learn something is never wasted.

    Louis

  169. 669
    Rev. BigDumbChimp

    This year so far 3 emergency trips to the vet for things he’s eaten

    Big bowl of candy at my parents place.

    3 full unopened cans of soft dog food we had for our other dog who had some teeth pulled. Unopened cans. fucker. He ripped the damn cans opened. Luckily only a few pieces of cans were consumed

    And the big one, a full bottle of incontinence medicine for my sister’s dog which is essentially speed. That was scary and no fun especially considering we were at my parents’ place in the mountains 1 hour from nearest vet.

  170. 670
    Rev. BigDumbChimp

    Hops are poisonous to dogs’ arseholes?

    A day in which you learn something is never wasted.

    Louis

    Correct. Never put any hops in your dog’s arsehole.

  171. 671
    Louis

    Rev BDC,

    Correct. Never put any hops in your dog’s arsehole.

    I will stop immediately. Well, after this next batch of “special” stout is brewed for the local homoeopathic festival.

    HEY! Don’t judge me, a guy’s got to get his kicks somehow, and to my credit I did interview dogs until I found a kinky one…

    Louis

  172. 672
    chigau (違う)

    Rev

    He ripped the damn cans opened.

    Are you sure this is a dog?

  173. 673
    onion girl, OM; social workers do it with paperwork

    DC LOCALS: Udvar-Hazy Air & Space Museum trip

    Come join your local Hordelings on a trip to see the Space Shuttle that launched Hubble and flew more than any other spacecraft! We’re taking a trip to the Udvar-Hazy (I will actually bring cookies for everyone that pronounces it correctly ;). ) We’ll see the Space Shuttle Discovery, one of the Blackbirds the X-Men used on their missions–err…scratch that part…missiles, satellites, rockets, helicopters, planes, oh my! Dinner will be early at one of the restaurants nearby, and then there will be an optional return to the museum to see Dark Knight RisesIN IMAX!

    Date: Saturday, August 4th

    Time:
    Meet at museum: 10:00 a.m.
    Dinner: 4:30 p.m. location TBA
    Dark Knight Rises: 7:00 p.m.

    Cost:
    Museum is free; parking is $14 but is free after 4pm (we can carpool by meeting at a nearby restaurant and driving to the museum together) Dark Knight Rises is $13. (We can get discount tickets if our group is a party of 10 or more.)

    Please RSVP ASAP so I can buy theater tickets; let me know whether you will be coming for the museum, dinner, movie or a combination thereof. Deadline for buying Dark Knight Rises tickets is July 30th (I’ll let everyone know if we have enough for the discount). Email oniongirlsays at google mail dot com to RSVP.

    (this information brought to by ‘how fast can I post during my lunch break’ productions.)

  174. 674
    Louis

    Chigau,

    Are you sure this is a dog?

    [Childish sing song voice]

    Re-ev’s got a ti-ger! Re-ev’s got a ti-ger!

    [/Childish sing song voice]

    Louis

  175. 675
    Rev. BigDumbChimp

    Are you sure this is a dog?

    yes though I sometimes wonder

    110lbs. solid muscle chocolate lab

  176. 676
    Alexandra (née Audley)

    Using hops as a suppository sounds absolutely terrifying.

  177. 677
    Matt Penfold

    I will stop immediately. Well, after this next batch of “special” stout is brewed for the local homoeopathic festival.

    HEY! Don’t judge me, a guy’s got to get his kicks somehow, and to my credit I did interview dogs until I found a kinky one…

    Doesn’t seem any worse than the coffee beans that are processed in a civet cat’s digestive tract.

  178. 678
    Cipher

    [complaint ahead! and ickiness!]
    Yay! Work!

    So far today, I have screwed up several intakes for grooming, spent a really long time looking for meds that didn’t exist, twisted my ankle, spilled a full bucket of water on my shoes and a floor covered in fur, cried, thrown up, and been jumped on by a dog who had just had a major and horrible accident on the floor of her suite and marched around in it. (That was like the first thing that happened when I got to work.) Not to mention having to clean that up – resulting in my squick-induced repeated rebleaching of her suite, and washing and rewashing of her bedding, which basically sucked up the rest of my time today, so I left a bunch of stuff undone.

    To make matters EVEN MORE AWESOME, my brother has panicked and cried already today as well.

    Yaaaaaaaay!

  179. 679
    Louis

    Matt Penfold,

    Doesn’t seem any worse than the coffee beans that are processed in a civet cat’s digestive tract.

    Perhaps so, but I imagine civet coffee makers {ahem} clean their product up somewhat.

    I figure the method used in my special stout preparation will be a weakly homoeopathic remedy (think about it). After all homoeopaths are full of shit so this could help cure…

    …All I’m saying is if you see me at a naturopath conference grinning, don’t drink anything I offer you.

    Louis

    P.S. Audley, porcupines have NOTHING on these bad boys! ;-)

  180. 680
    Louis

    Cipher,

    I recommend heavy drinking.

    I do that a lot.

    Alternatively, hugs and chocolate! I shall prepare the USB transporter immediately.

    Louis

  181. 681
    thunk: y'all know ageism is a thing?

    Onion Girl:

    Augh! Damn not living near DC!

    *shakes fist*

  182. 682
    Rev. BigDumbChimp

    The guy on the right

    The perspective in this shot doesn’t do his size justice.

  183. 683
    Tethys

    Aw Cipher, my sympathies on your shitty day.

    Let’s hope the heat breaks soon. It is making everyone irritable.

  184. 684
    Alexandra (née Audley)

    Rev,
    He may be an asshole, but he’s beautiful.

  185. 685
    chigau (違う)

    Rev
    It has a laser on its head and you still think it’s a dog???

  186. 686
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Rev. :
    My roommate, T has a chocolate lab as well. This dog has-twice this week-eaten a box of protein bars while T was at work. She said she feels your pain.

  187. 687
    PZ Myers

    NEW THREAD!

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