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Mar 21 2014

and i am not killing u

Update: Facebook finally took it down. Good. Now for all the rest of them.

Thanks to Udo for alerting us to this page.

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Just to be clear.

And trigger warning again, because this is a horrifying photo.

I reported this photo with the text to Facebook.

ugand2Facebook looked at it; I know this because the response wasn’t instantaneous, as it was when I reported the whole page. Facebook looked at it, and sent the usual reply:

Thank you for taking the time to report something that you feel may violate our Community Standards. Reports like yours are an important part of making Facebook a safe and welcoming environment. We reviewed the photo you reported for containing graphic violence and found it doesn’t violate our Community Standards.

Yes, I “feel,” with all my squishy subjectivity, that that photo may violate Facebook’s Community Standards, and anyone else’s, apart from Nazis and members of WBC and the like. Yes, I do feel that that photo may violate Facebook’s Community Standards. But Facebook says it doesn’t. I would like to know why. I would like to know what the fuck is wrong with them.

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  1. 1
    Blanche Quizno

    Hooray for Christianity. If it weren’t for the Bible, and for Christian missionaries taking it upon themselves to poison ignorant, poor, superstitious people’s minds with their filth, we probably wouldn’t be seeing this.

    The Christian missionaries who taught these people that these things were wrong (arbitrarily, of course – that’s the beauty of “sin” – it can be absolutely ANYTHING) and here’s what you’re supposed to do about it (opens Bible, points: “See? It says so RIGHT HERE”) need to be charged with murder.

  2. 2
    MFHeadcase

    It is gone now. Though reading my support dashboard, it may be the people running the group who disbanded it, as opposed to FB doing anything about it.

    The initial response was that the image/post was no violation of community standards.

    Now it is:

    Status This photo was removed
    Details
    Thank you for taking the time to report something that you feel may violate our Community Standards. Reports like yours are an important part of making Facebook a safe and welcoming environment. The account that posted this is no longer on Facebook, and so we can’t review it for violation of our Community Standards. If the account is restored, this post might reappear. If this happens, please report it again

    I suspect the hateful fuckers are taking a couple days off… and plan to return as nasty as ever, but hopefully unnoticed by folks who disagree with them.

    And it would not surprise me if this were based on advice from FB.

  3. 3
    Chris J

    Let’s see here… Community standards:

    Violence and Threats: Organizations with a record of terrorist or violent criminal activity are not allowed to maintain a presence on our site.

    I guess you could point out that what’s being done in the photo isn’t technically criminal in the place it is being performed, but otherwise UYCAH certainly seems to have a documented history of inflicting terror and violent activity. I can’t see how its facebook content wouldn’t be a problem under this section.

    Hate Speech: Facebook does not permit hate speech, but distinguishes between serious and humorous speech. While we encourage you to challenge ideas, institutions, events, and practices, we do not permit individuals or groups to attack others based on their race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sex, gender, sexual orientation, disability or medical condition.

    I haven’t looked at the facebook page (I don’t have an account), so I don’t know what verbal speech it contains. However, UYCAH clearly is an organization dedicated to targeting people based on sexual orientation, and that page contains documented photographic evidence of violence towards others based on sexual orientation. In other words, non-verbal hate speech.

    Graphic Content: In many instances, when people share this type of content, it is to condemn it. However, graphic images shared for sadistic effect or to celebrate or glorify violence have no place on our site.

    Pretty sure UYCAH is not sharing this graphic content in order to condemn it. I dare say it is celebratory and glorifying their accomplishments, though again I haven’t looked at the actual page yet.

    There you go. Three parts of three sections that this photo alone is probably violating, if not the entire entity of UYCAH. And if it isn’t, I’d argue the community standards need reworking. Would facebook argue that pictures of lynchings done by the KKK are fine under the community standards as well?

    The only thing I could think of is that the person who reviewed the photo took it in isolation and thought the commentary was critical of the photo, not knowing about the context of who posted it. I’d argue there’s enough to get that user’s whole page banned.

  4. 4
    Chris J

    Oh good, it’s gone? Hopefully the page is gone as well. Although I still would want to know why they replied initially by saying it was A-OK.

  5. 5
    Colin Daniels

    I reported the page and initially had the message about it not violating the rules but just had a second message that says:

    “We reviewed the page you reported for containing hate speech or symbols. Since it violated our Community Standards, we removed it. Thanks for your report. We let Uganda Youth Coalition Against Homosexuality UYCAH know that their Page has been removed, but not who reported it. Facebook never discloses who submits a report.”

    So it does appear as if FB did the removal. Hopefully this signals a change in their attitude to such pages but I won’t hold my breath

  6. 6
    Ophelia Benson

    Yes, so I just learned. Result; good. Now for all the rest of them.

  7. 7
    Trebuchet

    It would almost be better if it had been left up, just to show what kind of scum the haters are.

  8. 8
    Ophelia Benson

    No, really, it wouldn’t.

  9. 9
    madcynic

    Facebook’s takedown policy is a terrible mess. That not only applies to something as obvious as this, but also to obvious Nazi propaganda. Being from Germany, I realize not all countries around the globe have the same legal standard in this regard as we do nowadays, but when I reported one bit, I got the same reply you received. Then, a year later, I got a “we have reconsidered” message. Makes you wonder what exactly the policy is if you get two different results within one year…

  10. 10
    Sarah Collins

    Chris J, your right with the graphic content, I saw this exact picture used last year on an athiest page which was condeming it vehemently. Its the comments that are inflammatory.

  11. 11
    MFHeadcase

    … And it is fucking back.

    Status This photo was restored
    Details
    Thank you for taking the time to report something that you feel may violate our Community Standards. Reports like yours are an important part of making Facebook a safe and welcoming environment. The account that posted this has been restored, so this post might be visible on Facebook again. If you still think it violates our Community Standards, please report it again.
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