The wot is feminism chart

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   glodson

   February 11, 2013 at 11:44 am (UTC -7) Link to this comment

   Hey, the “go bak 2 the kitchen u ugly bitch” is wrong. It is often grown men, of the frat-boy/dudebro variety, that like that. Twelve year olds don’t say that unless they have an older idiot to teach them that.

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   Ophelia Benson

   February 11, 2013 at 12:02 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

   That’s very true. There are also a few (very odd) grown women who like that. Most of them spend an astonishing amount of time raging at me.

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   Pierce R. Butler

   February 11, 2013 at 12:03 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

   Cats say “please”?!?

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   postman

   February 11, 2013 at 12:14 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

   But feminism leads to the Borg. After all they have a queen. Misandry!!!!!!!!

   In all seriousness, the Borg are much more sympathetic and likeable than all those cretins.

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   Marcus Ranum

   February 11, 2013 at 12:16 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

   have an older idiot to teach them that.

   There ought to be a cool word for that. Like “bromentoring” or something.

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   Aureola Nominee, FCD

   February 11, 2013 at 12:31 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

   How about “bro-fo”?

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   barrypearson

   February 11, 2013 at 12:47 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

   I too don’t know what feminism is! But I don’t pretend to. Instead I’m making stuff up:

   I believe that everyone should have the ability to make informed choices, where they don’t unduly restrict the equivalent abilities of others.

   “Ability” implies rights + law + support.
   “Informed” implies education + access to information + access to analysis.

   I want an operating policy that is independent of “man / woman”; “abled / disabled”; “straight / gay / transgendered / other”. Rather like Rawls’ “veil of ignorance”: we should be comfortable with the principles without concern about what role we will play.

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   glodson

   February 11, 2013 at 12:56 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

   @Marcus Ranum: Inbrotrination? Assholimilation?

   @Ophelia Benson: damn, I didn’t even think of the misogynistic women despite having recently had a discussion on Girl Writes What.

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   trucreep

   February 11, 2013 at 1:47 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

   Hahaha the BORG thing was pretty funny

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    Lofty

    February 11, 2013 at 3:00 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Pierce R. Butler:

    Cats say “please”?!?

    Only if they have been properly indoctrinated in the Worship of Their Owners. Like mine are. Sad but true.

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    ShowMetheData

    February 11, 2013 at 3:29 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    have an older idiot to teach them that.

    There ought to be a cool word for that. Like “bromentoring” or something.
    

    dementoring

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    psanity

    February 11, 2013 at 3:32 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    I would change “I am twelve” to “I wish I were twelve”. Or maybe, “I wish I were a baby, because boobies, and everybody would wait on me, and boobies.”

    Kids, and babies, are quite nice. Adults who opt to revert to infancy are poor company.

    And, of course cats say please. Sometimes nicely, and sometimes with icy threat-based diplomacy.

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    freemage

    February 11, 2013 at 3:58 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Dammit. I had already dropped Dilbert from my reading in part because of Adams’ idiotic blather on feminism (also because he’s obviously dried up whatever creativity he once had, but I still read lots of comics that would get cut if that was my only criteria for doing so–habit is a killer time-suck), and so I’d missed out on his rape-apologia. So when I saw this list, I was surprised that he got that particular entry. So I Googled, and found the column. It really was that bad, if not worse.

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    Cyranothe2nd

    February 11, 2013 at 7:23 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Scott Adams LOL

    I am making my students read Scott Adams’ ‘Pegs and Holes’ article. Its an example of what NOT to do in academic discourse. They are really having fun taking it apart and making fun of it.

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    Happiestsadist, opener of the Crack of Doom

    February 11, 2013 at 9:25 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    While I do ID as a feminist, I do kind of support the many trans* women (and non-binary people) who don’t because of that whole history of vicious transphobia that is still ongoing thing. Same as I support and understand that some women of colour don’t wanna stand under this umbrella because of the similarly awful history regarding race.

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    Aratina Cage

    February 11, 2013 at 11:25 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Very funny.

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    AndrewD

    February 12, 2013 at 12:43 am (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    I thought that Cats were Felinists.

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    Matt Gilson

    February 12, 2013 at 5:15 am (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Jezuz Fucking Christ, Just get a dick transplant O’FeelMeupBenson , you sexually confused angry cat lady.

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    sailor1031

    February 12, 2013 at 8:25 am (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    @3: Summer-the-little-stripey-cat just camps out by the empty food dish and looks hopeful. I know it means “feed me” – not sure if please is included – but at least she’s polite about it.

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    sailor1031

    February 12, 2013 at 8:29 am (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Oh look – I just read post from Matt Gilson. Wow! Sounds just like an angry ten year old worrying about his size and his sexual orientation. Well done – a great Poe.

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    jose

    February 12, 2013 at 12:14 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    I very much doubt anti feminists have ever heard of Sheila Jeffreys. People who hate women hate lesbians the most.

    She isn’t transphobic either.

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    Happiestsadist, opener of the Crack of Doom

    February 12, 2013 at 1:45 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    You’re actually claiming Jeffreys isn’t transphobic? How the fuck do you figure?

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    jose

    February 12, 2013 at 2:06 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Because I have read her book on the matter.

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    Happiestsadist, opener of the Crack of Doom

    February 12, 2013 at 2:52 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Then you agree that “”transsexualism should be seen as a violation of human rights.” ? That GRS should be banned? That gender identity is up for debate? That trans women are not women?

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    jose

    February 12, 2013 at 3:24 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    No, and I don’t think all sex is rape, either.

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    Happiestsadist, opener of the Crack of Doom

    February 12, 2013 at 3:58 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    … Nice nonsequitur. How exactly are the above statements by Jeffreys not transphobic, though?

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    Ms. Daisy Cutter, General Manager for the Cleveland Steamers

    February 12, 2013 at 4:50 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Jose: Sheila Jeffreys isn’t transphobic? Bull. Fucking. Shit. Why don’t you actually ask an actual trans* person? You know, like Autumn Sandeen?

    Oh, and I’d love to see your citations on who misogynists “hate the most.” This isn’t Oppression Olympics, and being on one axis of oppression doesn’t automatically give a person empathy for people on another axis.

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    Ms. Daisy Cutter, General Manager for the Cleveland Steamers

    February 12, 2013 at 4:54 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Am I in moderation? Because I just left Jose a comment linking to both RationalWiki and to a post on Pam’s House Blend by a trans* activist disputing his claim that Jeffreys is not transphobic.

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    Ophelia Benson

    February 12, 2013 at 5:18 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Nope. Maybe links.. I’ll check the spam filter.

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    Ophelia Benson

    February 12, 2013 at 5:19 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    There it is. Went into spam instead of hold. Wrong; bad filter; no cookie.

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    Ms. Daisy Cutter, General Manager for the Cleveland Steamers

    February 12, 2013 at 5:25 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Thanks, Ophelia.

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    jose

    February 12, 2013 at 6:54 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Why are you linking me a wiki article as if I don’t know anything about her? I said I have read her book on the issue and there is more information there about what Sheila Jeffrey thinks than in some wiki. You should read it too.

    And the other link is just some people who don’t want her at some conference. It happens a lot. What has that got to do with anything? Anyway, an excerpt… “encourage clients to take a more political approach to their situation and to realize that they can rebel against the constraints of a prescribed gender role, and relate to their own sex in their native bodies. “. Sounds like feminism to me. Full of good things.

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    Happiestsadist, opener of the Crack of Doom

    February 12, 2013 at 6:57 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Thans for mansplaining feminism, Jose. And no, the fact that she’s too dumb to tell gender roles, sex and gender identity apart does not “sound like feminism” to anyone who isn’t a TERF. She literally claims trans people are doing violence by existing.

    Hey Ophelia, you know how I was mentioning good reasons why transfeminists stay the hell away from much of the mainstream rich white cis lady feminism? Assholes like this, and the fact that they usually do undisputed.

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    Ms. Daisy Cutter, General Manager for the Cleveland Steamers

    February 12, 2013 at 7:03 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Jose, like Happiestsadist said, you do not get to tell trans* people what’s transphobic and what isn’t. You also don’t get to mansplain feminism to women (or female-assigned genderqueer folks like HS, for that matter).
    

    Hey Ophelia, you know how I was mentioning good reasons why transfeminists stay the hell away from much of the mainstream rich white cis lady feminism? Assholes like this, and the fact that they usually do undisputed.

    Seriously. Transfeminists don’t want to see their identities and lives up for debate among cis women any more than women in general want to see ours up for debate among men.

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    jose

    February 12, 2013 at 8:21 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    That you don’t want the affirmation of gender stereotypes up for debate is abundantly clear. Since I don’t get tell or do anything anymore, that will be all from this end.

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    Martha

    February 12, 2013 at 9:05 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Loved this!

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    Sarah Noble

    February 13, 2013 at 12:20 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    The supposed affirmation of gender stereotypes by trans people is the fault of the patriarchy, not the fault of trans women.

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    Happiestsadist, opener of the Crack of Doom

    February 13, 2013 at 7:40 pm (UTC -7) Link to this comment

    Quite right, Sarah.

    But then, Jose can’t tell the difference between gender and gender roles, so.

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