Hind Rajab’s murder by Israeli troops was even worse than initially portrayed

The murder of 6-year Hind Rajab and her family by Israeli forces as they were fleeing the shelling i that I wrote about recently has reverberated around the world, putting a tragic human face to the carnage. CNN has audio of the call made by Rajab to the Red Crescent just before she and her family were killed. It is described as ‘harrowing’ and I could not bring myself to listen to it.

Ryan Grim writes that the story is even more grisly, in that the medics from the Red Crescent who tried to rush to her rescue following her frantic phone call were themselves murdered.

Two weeks ago, on January 29, Hind, a 6-year-old girl, climbed into a car with her aunt, uncle, and cousins. They were doing what so many Palestinians have been doing for the past four months: trying to find the least unsafe place possible. Safe zones are dangerous. Moving toward safe zones is dangerous. Staying put can be fatal. With Israeli troops approaching, the family decided to flee, some in the car, some on foot. 

Hind and her family quickly came under fire. Her older cousin called the Red Crescent, pleading to be rescued. The call was cut off as she was killed along with the rest of her family by Israeli gunfire. Only Hind remained alive. Wounded, she called the Red Crescent back, begging to be rescued. She was scared of the dark, she told them, and it was getting late. “I’m so scared, please come,” she said. 

The distraught dispatcher told her over the course of a three-hour call that they couldn’t dispatch rescuers until they had approval from the Israeli forces. Without that approval, the rescuers could be struck. As we reported earlier with the killing of Al Jazeera cameraman Samer Abu Daqqa, often those approvals can be fatally slow to come. 

Finally, permission was granted, and two medics were sent in an ambulance. Dispatchers heard a terrible noise, and then lost contact with the medics. Since then, the world has been on edge, praying for news of Hind’s successful rescue, but fearing the worst. Finally, Israeli forces withdrew from the area, and on Saturday morning, Hind’s surviving family ventured back to the neighborhood. There, they found the decomposing victims of the Israeli attack. Hind was dead. Just yards away were the charred ruins of the ambulance and the impossibly heroic medics. 

Hind’s life and death, her courage and her fear, had captivated the globe. Her killing was also an unspeakable war crime. The Israel Defense Forces can’t say it was the unfortunate but unintended consequence of a strike on a terrorist, because we know that the Red Crescent was in direct communication with the IDF, which therefore knew that an ambulance was heading to those precise coordinates to rescue a little girl. Somebody pulled the trigger — or pressed the button — that ended their lives. Somebody higher up signed off on it, if the snippets of cockpit and drone operator recordings from previous Israeli assaults represent standard practices. As we speak, somebody — perhaps many people — inside the IDF knows who committed this spectacular atrocity and is staying silent.

Even some US senators are outraged and calling what happened a ‘textbook war crime’ and that the US cannot continue to ignore Israel’s war crimes, including the blocking of food aid that has resulted in starvation.

Had the ambulance sent to rescue Hind not been incinerated by the IDF, she would have still faced the challenge of starvation. Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen, who is a leader in the Democratic foreign policy establishment, gave an extraordinary speech on the Senate floor on Monday night, excoriating the Netanyahu government for deliberately blocking aid to civilians. He and Sen. Jeff Merkley traveled to the Egypt side of the Rafah crossing around five weeks ago, and Van Hollen came back livid at Israel’s deliberate stalling of aid. On the Senate floor, he said that he had recently heard reports that children are now beyond starving and are actually dying of starvation. He texted Cindy McCain, the head of the World Food Programme, and asked if the rumors were true. He quoted her response to him: “This is true. We are unable to get in enough food to keep people from the brink. Famine is imminent. I wish I had better news.”

He drove the point home: “Kids in Gaza are now dying from the deliberate withholding of food. In addition to the horror of that news, one other thing is true: That is a war crime. It is a textbook war crime. And that makes those who orchestrate it war criminals,” he said, adding that he had recently spoken with officials at humanitarian relief organizations. “Every one of them, every one, has stated that their organizations have never experienced a humanitarian disaster as dire and terrible as the world is witnessing in Gaza.”

But Van Hollen still voted for the aid package to Israel because it also included aid to Ukraine. Bernie Sanders and Merkley voted against it.


  1. Katydid says

    The Israeli playbook in situations like this is to shrug, smile, and say, “Ooopsies!”, or else to claim that the victim (in this case a small child) was actually a Hamas operative, don’t-cha-know. A last-ditch excuse would be to claim utter innocence by IDF forces and blame the child for assassinating herself, in some kind of fiendish Hamas plot.

    These atrocities have worked for them for the past 50 years. Because what happened in Germany 80 years ago excuses 70-year-old Netanyahu from planning genocide against a completely different set of people, and 20-year-olds with American assault weapons to carry it out.

    I’m sure it’s a real shock to them that the world is turning against them and seeing their actions for what they really are.

  2. Jazzlet says

    Katydid, but is it a shock? Or is it the assumption that the world is against them so it doesn’t matter what they do they will be criticised so they’ll do whatever seems good to them? That view doesn’t seem unlikely to me when you have a whole society founded by people who were persecuted where ever they came from, that that may be the only thing they have in common with each other beyond their religion, and we know that while Judaism is not as fragmented as Christianity it is still fragmented. Add in the evangelical need for Israel to exist so the end times can happen, along with decades of courting American politicians so they won’t turn against Israel, and you have a toxic mix.

  3. birgerjohansson says

    Fifty years ago, Israeli agents murdered some perfectly innocent palestinians in Lillehammer, Norway, because they got their information wrong. Two of their agents got caught, which caused short-lived indignation towards Israel.

  4. eastexsteve says

    Palestinian and Israeli children have been dying in this conflict for many years and will continue to do so for many more years to come, especially if they keep using the definition of insanity as a solution. To bad a deal couldn’t be worked out with Mexico to let Israel establish itself in Baja California. I think that might have been Archie Bunkers suggestion. “Those were the days”.

  5. Katydid says

    @Jazzlet: I think you’re seeing it backward. The issue is that Great Britain and the USA gave land that was already occupied and had been for millennia to people whose ancestors might once have lived there a couple of millenia ago. You don’t expect that people driven from their own homes over nothing they did, people killed for staying in homes their families had occupied for generations…you don’t think that pissed people off? I mean, if you run up to people who never did anything to you and assault or kill them, you don’t get to cry that people hate you for no reason. You’re not being persecuted.

    @birgerjohansson, and in 1967, an American ship in international waters--the USS Liberty--assisting the Israelis in the seven-day war, was attacked by the Israeli Air Force and the Israeli Navy torpedo boats that killed 34 and wounded 171 more Americans as well as severely damaging the ship. Those Americans who survived the attacks are very clear that it was not a case of mistaken identity because there had been a lot of Israeli fly-overs and the pilots and the men on ship even waved to each other. Wikipedia has a complete write-up of the situation. I went to school with several children whose fathers had been killed by “friendly” fire.

    Google Israel spies on the United States and you’ll find dozens of articles about the many, many times Israel has been caught spying or paying others to spy on the USA, with the newest (a Newsweek article) dating from 2019.

    And now we’re giving them money and weapons to wipe out the Palestinians, just as we always have, because if we don’t, then the evangelicals don’t get to fantasize about Jesus coming back down to Earth and killing everyone the Evangelicals don’t like.

  6. Katydid says

    @ WMDKitty: LOL. Anti-Evangelical, yes. Palestinians are Semitic people, too. Back in the 1980s, I was anti-apartheid in South Africa. Interesting that South Africans--who know apartheid when they see it--have been so adamant that what’s been going on in Israel is apartheid. Now it’s escalated to full-on genocide. “Leave your home and all your possessions and go to THIS PLACE or we’ll bomb you to smithereens!” :::bombs all roads leading to THIS PLACE, then bombs THIS PLACE:::

  7. says

    @Katydid — I know they’re a semitic people. Roj apparently does not.

    It doesn’t help that the ADL has a new definition of antisemitism that includes even the mildest criticism of Israel. Or that everybody and their brother is drinking the Israeli Kool-aid.

  8. anat says

    Katydid @7: The ethnic origins of Palestinians are a distraction regarding the usage of ‘antisemitism’. Antisemitism was coined as a 19th century ‘politically correct’ term for hatred of Jews. It is not logically inconsistent for a Palestinian to be antisemitic or to be described as such, nor is it logically inconsistent to be supportive of Palestinians and antisemitic at the same time.

    Personally, one rule of thumb I apply is that if someone’s objections to Zionism, or the government, or the people of Israel uses common antisemitic tropes then there is reason to suspect it is antisemitism in disguise.

  9. Jazzlet says

    Katydid @5
    I was not in any way excusing the behaviour of the Israelis, just saying that I think they already believed the rest of the world is against them, so I don’t think they will be surprised by recent condemnations of the actions of the IDF.

  10. John Morales says

    anat @9, yes indeed, regarding the actual origin and usage of ‘antisemitism’.

    It’s not a descriptive term, it’s a dogwhistle.
    Nothing to do with Semites, everything to do with Jews.


    That noted, there surely is a distinction between antisemitism and anti-Zionism, though obs there are people who conflate the two.

  11. anat says

    John Morales, I agree there should be a difference, and often there is, but sometimes one is a cover for the other. The way to sort these out is with long term familiarity with the person’s output.

  12. John Morales says

    WMDKitty, anat is not changing any meaning, but rather explaining it.
    Look at my link, and if you care to try, dispute the etymology (my emphasis):

    Due to the root word Semite, the term is prone to being invoked as a misnomer by those who interpret it as referring to racist hatred directed at all “Semitic people” (i.e., those who speak Semitic languages, such as Arabs, Assyrians, and Arameans). This usage is erroneous; the compound word antisemitismus (lit. ’antisemitism’) was first used in print in Germany in 1879[17] as a “scientific-sounding term” for Judenhass (lit. ’Jew-hatred’),[18][19][20][21][22] and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone.[18][23][24]

    (Also, are you aware of the

  13. Holms says

    WMDKitty, you are looking at the components of the word instead of its use. Yes, it contains semitism, but in this application that is not to be taken literally. The word refers to jewish people rather than all semites, because that is how it is used. See idiom and compositionality.

    There are many words like this. Incredible and unbelievable, broken down to their components, would suggest a thing that can not be credited / believed; yet their usage is very often unrelated to that direct meaning. Both are often synonymous with amazing, and can also simply be an expression of surprise.

  14. John Morales says


    Incredible and unbelievable, broken down to their components, would suggest a thing that can not be credited / believed

    Good principle, bad example.
    Incredible means not credible, rather than not credited, and credible and believable are synonymous.

    (Amazing means not mazed, which is an old term for confused)

  15. sonofrojblake says

    @6: your problem there is -- I haven’t, and shall not. I’ll call out anti-semitic (i.e. explicitly anti-Jewish people, NOT Israeli governement) talk when I see it -- like in what you’ve written on FtB.

    I don’t see any of that in anything Katydid has written. That said: the old dictionary-waving argument “ah, but the Palestinians are semitic people too so hah! Gotcha! I can’t be anti-semitic” is straight out of the closet-Nazi playbook, so, y’know Katydid, you might want to watch out for that one in future. I don’t *think* you’re anti-semitic, but you’re using an argument there that is very commonly deployed by Jew-haters of WMDKitty’s stripe (see #12, shouting “Gotcha” to distract attention).

    As for “drinking the Israeli Kool Aid”, I’m going to repeat my opinion that the international community should be sanctioning Israel the way they did South Africa -- SA never did a tenth of what Israel are doing.

  16. John Morales says

    [oops, only just got back, too rapid a retort]

    Um, amazing means that which mazes. Obviously. That which stuns, confuses, astonishes.

    (Not amazing means not mazed)

  17. Katydid says

    From Wikipedia: The Semitic languages are a branch of the Afroasiatic language family. They include Arabic, Amharic, Aramaic, Hebrew, and numerous other ancient and modern languages.

    From the Encyclopedia Brittanica: Semite, name given in the 19th century to a member of any people who speak one of the Semitic languages, a family of languages spoken primarily in parts of western Asia and Africa. The term therefore came to include Arabs, Akkadians, Canaanites, Hebrews, some Ethiopians (including the Amhara and the Tigrayans), and Aramaean tribes. Although Mesopotamia, the western coast of the Mediterranean, the Arabian Peninsula, and the Horn of Africa have all been proposed as possible sites for the prehistoric origins of Semitic-speaking populations, there remains no archaeological or scientific evidence of a common Semitic people.

    It got re-defined to only be used as people who are anti-Jewish. However, being against genocide and war atrocities is not anti-semitic. It’s an interesting tell that these people *do* recognize it’s genocide and their only comeback is “anti-semitism!” When Turkey committed genocide against the Arminians, nobody is screaming “anti-semitism!” when that fact is discussed. Other countries that have committed genocide include China, Ethiopia, Sudan--also Semetic countries, but nobody’s screaming about anti-semitism there.

    What Israel is doing in Gaza and to a lesser extent in the West Bank is genocide per the 1948 Geneva Convention on genocide.

  18. Holms says

    Surely that article means Eastern coast of the Mediterranean…? I suspect someone confused themselves by thinking of that coast as the western edge of the land.

  19. anat says

    For the edification of WMDKitty and anyone else who might be confused by this:


    Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism)[a] is hostility to, prejudice towards, or discrimination against Jews.[2][3][4] This sentiment is a form of racism,[5][6] and a person who harbours it is called an antisemite.

    From same source:

    From the outset the term “anti-Semitism” bore special racial connotations and meant specifically prejudice against Jews.[3][18][24] The term has been described as confusing, for in modern usage ‘Semitic’ designates a language group, not a race. In this sense, the term is a misnomer, since there are many speakers of Semitic languages (e.g., Arabs, Ethiopians, and Arameans) who are not the objects of antisemitic prejudices, while there are many Jews who do not speak Hebrew, a Semitic language. Though ‘antisemitism’ could be construed as prejudice against people who speak other Semitic languages, this is not how the term is commonly used.[42][43][44][45]

    The term may be spelled with or without a hyphen (antisemitism or anti-Semitism). Many scholars and institutions favor the unhyphenated form.[1][46][47][48] Shmuel Almog argued, “If you use the hyphenated form, you consider the words ‘Semitism’, ‘Semite’, ‘Semitic’ as meaningful … [I]n antisemitic parlance, ‘Semites’ really stands for Jews, just that.”[49] Emil Fackenheim supported the unhyphenated spelling, in order to “[dispel] the notion that there is an entity ‘Semitism’ which ‘anti-Semitism’ opposes.”[50]

    See also: anti-Semitism

    That some words mean something other than their literal translation appears to imply is not new. My go-to example is ‘atom’, which literally means ‘cannot be cut/split’.

    Note that I haven’t accused anyone of being antisemitic, I merely pointed out that the ethnicity of Palestinians is irrelevant to whether anyone is or isn’t being antisemitic. The current war is horrifying and depressing, and I can’t think of anything that will keep it from repeating in some form even if the current cycle is forced to an end.

  20. Katydid says

    Okay, so some people are redefining words. If enough people decide that the word “shoes” can only refer to Manolo Blahnik 6″ heels, then it’s forbidden to ever refer to loafers, sneakers/trainers, slip-ons, lace-up leather dress shoes, and others as shoes. Those examples all stop being shoes just because someone decided that calling those things shoes was somehow causing great trauma to the Blahniks. Got it.

  21. anat says

    Katydid, please read the wikipedia article in full. Antisemitism has meant hating Jews since the 19th century. This is not anything new. Antisemitism never meant hatred or opposition of all Semitic people/ethnicities.

  22. Dunc says

    For fucks sake! Trying to argue against the generally accepted meaning of “antisemitism” (i.e. hatred and prejudice against Jews) on the basis of the technical meaning of “Semitic” is exactly like arguing against the generally accepted meaning of “homophobia” on the basis of the technical meaning of “phobia”. Etymology is not meaning. Have a fucking word with yourselves.

  23. sonofrojblake says

    @Katydid, 28:

    Okay, so some people are redefining words

    Yes. You are. I’m going to repeat exactly what I said in #18: the old dictionary-waving argument “ah, but the Palestinians are semitic people too so hah! Gotcha! I can’t be anti-semitic” is straight out of the closet-Nazi playbook, so, y’know, you might want to watch out for that one in future.

    And since you appear to be doubling down on it, you might want to have a very serious think about why you’re so desperate to have THAT conversation specifically. Nobody here (me especially) will have any problem with you roundly condemning the genocidal and indefensible actions of the IDF in Gaza (and elsewhere). Nobody will have any any problem with you calling out Netanyahu (yahoo!) as a war criminal. I don’t *think* anyone here is going to police that kind of condemnation with the “yeah but what about what Hamas did” canard -- I know nobody defending those fuckers for the horrors they perpetrated, but it doesn’t defend genocide from the government of their victims. So you’re safe… unless you’re going to start dictionary-waving when “anti-semitism” is brought up. Ask yourself why you’re reaching for that. And if you come to a conclusion, and if you want to, tell us. Know that you’re skirting territory staked out by Elon Musk, Kanye West and WMDKitty -- is that where you’re comfortable? I can’t tell.

  24. Dunc says

    See also “it’s not technically paedophilia if she’s pubescent -- it’s ephebophilia“. And we don’t want to be like those dickheads, do we?

  25. says

    I have to agree with anat and Dunc here: whatever the strictly technical/etymological/dictionary definition of the word, “antisemitism” has always, in common usage (i.e., in conversations like this one), meant hatred of Jews and only Jews. I, for one, can’t recall a single instance where anyone has used that word to mean hatred of all Semitic peoples. If you’re not comfortable with this well-known common usage, then try to use another word in its place. But don’t waste anyone’s time trying to quibble and over-police other people’s choice of that word.

  26. Holms says

    #28 Katydid

    If enough people decide that the word “shoes” can only refer to Manolo Blahnik 6″ heels,

    Ooh, it looks like you are about to discover that common use drives meaning. Say on…

    then it’s forbidden to ever refer to loafers, sneakers/trainers, slip-ons, lace-up leather dress shoes, and others as shoes.

    Not forbidden per se, but your usage of shoes with the old meaning in mind will cause difficulties in communication. Everyone else will hear ‘Manolo Blahnik 6″ heels’ when you use the word, and confusion will result. If you’re lucky, someone will patiently explain to you that ‘shoes’ has not meant that meaning for some time now, and the new word commonly understood to mean that is now _____.

    However your example is not a very apt one, as ‘antisemitism’ has never been used to refer to semitic groups in general. It was coined specifically to refer specifically to anti-jewish sentiment, and now you and many others are making the mistake of looking at the construction (no, not etymology) of the word to derive its meaning.

    Those examples all stop being shoes just because someone decided that calling those things shoes was somehow causing great trauma to the Blahniks.

    And here is where you go a bit wobbly. Remember, you started your hypothetical with “If enough people…” but here you have regressed to “someone”. But you were right in the first case, as common use meaning derives not from the ruling of an individual but from the broad swath of speakers of the language.

  27. says

    …then it’s forbidden to ever refer to loafers, sneakers/trainers, slip-ons, lace-up leather dress shoes, and others as shoes.

    Well. loafers and slip-ons are DEFINITELY not “shoes.” Anyone who’s worn them can tell you that. Calling such abominations “shoes” is heresy! HERESY I SAY!!!

  28. John Morales says

    Datum, from the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance:

    “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”


    “However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.”


  29. John Morales says

    Obs, there’s a Palestinian Holocaust going on. Right now. As I write this.

    What was done to the Jews is what Israel (the political entity) is doing to the Palestinians (the people), every bit as viciously.

    Pogroms, ghettoes, diaspora.
    Human rights abuses, functional genocide, arbitrary detention, seizure of property, immiseration of children.

    Some slightly different terms, but exactly the same process.

    Just as abused children often become abusers in turn, so do abused peoples, apparently.

    cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_diaspora

    I am shamed by my Government’s participation in this. But I am not silent.

  30. John Morales says

    Been going on for quite a long time, of course.


    “Israeli forces are gunning down Palestinian children living under occupation with increasing frequency,” said Bill Van Esveld, associate children’s rights director at Human Rights Watch. “Unless Israel’s allies, particularly the United States, pressure Israel to change course, more Palestinian children will be killed.”

    This has been so obvious for so long:


    Jerusalem | Three Israeli hostages who were mistakenly shot by Israeli troops in the Gaza Strip had been waving a white flag and were shirtless when they were killed, military officials said on Saturday (Sunday AEDT), in Israel’s first such acknowledgement of harming any hostages in its war against Hamas.”

    Easy enough to look and see numerous like examples over recent years.

    People being in the street?
    Gunned down by Israeli soldiers.
    Stripped down to their underwear, blindfolded, made to kneel down for hours in the hot sun.

    Etc. etc.

    (And we all know what happens to women in particular in such circumstances, no?)

  31. John Morales says

    It’s all there for anyone with internet access to see.

    UN News
    Global perspective Human stories

    Gaza’s displaced children: ‘A heartbreaking story of loss and grief’

    UNICEF State of Palestine Humanitarian Situation Report (Escalation) -- 07 February 2024


  32. John Morales says

    Imagine you’re a kid.
    Your granma and your dad and your sister and your brother are dead.
    You moved to an uncle’s house, but that got bombed and you other sister could not be found in the rubble.
    You moved to the house of your mom’s friend, but then your ma got sick and could not get medicine and died.

    You have to shit in the street, because the water doesn’t run and sewage does not work. The food you get, you’re not too fussy about. It’s winter, so you shiver because only so many people can huddle around the fire made from the timbers and furniture of ruined houses.

    Another bomb explodes, and when wake up you’re in a tent in a refugee camp. Your wounds are bandaged, but you will forever have a limp and one eye is gone.

    You are a “WCNSF” – “wounded child, no surviving family”.
    No hopes for a decent life, no hopes for decent work, a lifetime of pain and suffering ahead of you.

    There are very literally thousands such children — what sort of exceptional saintliness would it take not to harbor a bitter life-long antagonism towards Israel?

  33. John Morales says

    Not an accident; that really is the Israeli politicians’ attitude.

    (Content warning: distressing image at link)

    Israeli politician: ‘The children of Gaza have brought this upon themselves’

    On Monday, as the number of children killed in Gaza approached 1,000, Knesset member Meirav Ben-Ari declared “the children of Gaza have brought this upon themselves.” Such calls by Israeli politicians for collective punishment are not uncommon.
    By Jonathan Ofir October 18, 2023

    Twenty-five minutes after this unbearable episode, Ben-Ari came up to speak, admittedly unplanned. This is precisely 2.5 hours into the session video:

    “I did not plan to speak, of course, but I have to say one thing that should be clear: There is no symmetry. There is no symmetry. Me, my friends, ok, were on the way to the synagogue on the day of Simchat Torah, and they were shot at, only because they were Jews in this state. That’s it. And friends of mine – their children went to the party, to celebrate – seculars, religious, doesn’t matter who, only because they were Jewish, they were murdered. So there is no symmetry! And the children in Gaza – the children in Gaza have brought this upon themselves! We are a peace-seeking nation, a life-loving nation. There is no symmetry – our children are kidnapped over there!” (My emphasis)

    Ben-Ari continued for a while with her speech, adding that Hamas is using civilians as human shields (the tiresomely repeated hasbara point), ending it with a repetition of the “no symmetry” mantra:

    “There is no symmetry in genocide!”

    It is, of course, impossible not to see the advocacy for genocide in this.


    Children have often been a marker for whether one has gone too far. Once children are explicitly framed as “not innocent,” you know that all-out genocidal warfare is possible. It is not for nothing that Netanyahu cited Haim Nachman Bialik’s poem from 1904, saying, “Revenge for the blood of a little child has yet been devised by Satan” when he vowed to “destroy [Hamas]” and “forcefully avenge this dark day.” That poem called “On the Slaughter,” is often cited in Israeli culture and often by Netanyahu. It was written in the wake of the 1903 Kishiniev pogrom. The outcry is always about the death of Israeli children. But interestingly, the line that comes just before the one cited says: “And cursed be the man who says: Avenge!”

  34. Silentbob says

    We get it Morales. You don’t think Palestinians are born evil like Russians.

    Well done. It’s like there’s almost a person in there after all.

  35. Holms says

    Another StevoR style spree from the guy that insists he feels no need to post, not at all, could take or leave posting. Snide retort in 3… 2… 1…

  36. sonofrojblake says

    @Katydid, and further to Holms@37:

    If you’re lucky, someone will patiently explain to you that ‘shoes’ has not meant that meaning for some time now

    If you’re UNlucky (or you persist in the teeth of patient explanations), then the patient explanations will stop. Oh, and sidenote: all the other people in the world loudly insisting that “shoes” has its old meaning, not the generally accepted one, also happen, every single one of them, to be paedophiles. So there’s you, and all the paedophiles, all insisting “shoes” has its old meaning. Why might the patient explanations have stopped? And what do people think of you now?

  37. Katydid says

    @Raging Bee: LOL!

    I seem to recall a whole lot of carrying on about how horrific it is to change meanings.

    Per news (dot) un (dot) org, as of January 2024 and after 2 years of war, 1800 children have been murdered by Russia. Also, children are suffering malnutrition. The entire world calls Russia out for its atrocities.

    Per abc (dot) net (dot) au, 18,000 children have been murdered by Israel and the entire population is not only at risk of random bombing, but is at risk of starving to death if they don’t freeze first…and there’s a major outcry that pointing this out is anti-semitic against Israel, because Israel is the only population that’s allowed to be called semitic.

  38. sonofrojblake says

    there’s a major outcry that pointing this out is anti-semitic against Israel, because Israel is the only population that’s allowed to be called semitic.

    Which news outlets are reporting this “major outcry”? None of the ones I’ve seen. All the major news outlets I’ve seen (including but not limited to The Guardian and the BBC) are pretty comprehensively covering Israel being condemned for war crimes and nobody suggesting that doing so is anti-semitic, plus (bonus) nobody quibbling about what “anti-semitic” means. That’s just you, so far.

  39. Holms says

    #52 Katydid

    and there’s a major outcry that pointing this out is anti-semitic against Israel, because Israel is the only population that’s allowed to be called semitic.

    Defenders of Israel’s actions regularly cry ‘anti-semite’ because it is one of the few cards they have to play. But they aren’t the ones claiming semitic also refers to Palestinians; this would greatly undercut their own cries of anti-semitism.

  40. Silentbob says

    @ 54 Holms

    Sorry, did you say, “Defenders of transphobe’s actions regularly cry ‘misogyny’ because it is one of the few cards they have to play. But they aren’t the ones claiming misogyny also refers to women who are transgender; this would greatly undercut their own cries of misogyny.”

    Oh no, sorry wrong topic. This is one where Holms has a clue what’s going on.

    Pardon me.

  41. Holms says

    #55 Bob

    Sorry, did you say, “Defenders of transphobe’s actions regularly cry ‘misogyny’ because it is one of the few cards they have to play.

    No, what I actually said was:

    Defenders of Israel’s actions regularly cry ‘anti-semite’ because it is one of the few cards they have to play. But they aren’t the ones claiming semitic also refers to Palestinians; this would greatly undercut their own cries of anti-semitism.

    Maybe bold will be easier for you to read?

    By the way, if the troll has been reduced to repeating his silly formula, he is replying only because he is captive to his urges (mustn’t call them needs though!). He has nothing in the tank but his blood-minded desire for the last word. Which, as we’ve seen, is something he takes pride in -- weirdly.

  42. John Morales says

    By the way, if the troll has been reduced to repeating his silly formula

    Stop being obsessed with me and you won’t see that formula, because, Holms, your obsession with me is stupid and pathetic.

  43. John Morales says

    Holms, your pathetic obsession with me is stupid.

    In the news: Gaza doctors: ‘We leave patients to scream for hours and hours’

    Doctors across Gaza have described operating on patients without anaesthetic, turning people with chronic conditions away, and treating rotting wounds with limited medical supplies.

    “Because of the shortage of painkillers we leave patients to scream for hours and hours,” one told the BBC.

    The World Health Organization (WHO) has described the state of healthcare in Gaza as being “beyond words”.

    It said 23 hospitals in Gaza were not functioning at all as of Sunday -- 12 were partially functioning and one minimally.

    The health agency said air strikes and a lack of supplies have “depleted an already under-resourced system”.


    Dr al-Akkad said the numbers of staff and volunteers at his hospital had grown, partly because of people displaced from other areas coming to help. But he said it was not enough to cope with the volume of patients and types of injuries they were receiving.

    Following bombings, he said injured people come to the hospital “looking like kofta” -- a dish with ground meat.

    “The same person comes with brain injuries, broken ribs, broken limbs, and sometimes losing an eye… every injury you can imagine, you can see it in our hospital.”

  44. John Morales says

    In the news: WHO says Gaza’s Nasser hospital not functional after Israel raids

    The World Health Organization has said Gaza’s Nasser hospital has ceased to function following an Israeli raid.

    Israel Defense Force (IDF) troops entered the complex on Thursday, saying intelligence indicated hostages taken by Hamas were being held there.

    The WHO said it had not been allowed to enter the site to assess the situation.

    The IDF has described its operation in Nasser as “precise and limited” and accused Hamas of “cynically using hospitals for terror”.

    Writing on X, formerly Twitter, WHO head Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said: “Nasser hospital in Gaza is not functional anymore, after a week-long siege followed by the ongoing raid.”

  45. eastexsteve says

    When will it end? A two-state solution seems like a punchline and a one state solution impossible?
    The names have changed, you don’t here about the fedayeen or the PFLP like years ago. When Dr. George Habash was in charge he said this in 1970:

    “…Since 1917, when the BalforDeclaration was signed, you have ceased to know about us. It is only now beginning to dawn on people that we were chased from our land like rapid dogs. Well, through sabotage we want to remind the world that a catastrophe has taken place here, and that justice must be done. Believe you me, after what has happened to us we have the right to do anything , including what you call acts of terrorism.. Where was world opinion in 1917 when the British decided to give a land that was 90% populated by Palestinians as a gift to the Jews?”.

    Nothing changes. Reminds me what the Athenians said:

    “You know as well as we do, (they tell the Melians) that right as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, where as the stronger do whatever they can and the weaker suffer whatever they must”.
    Seems to have held up well.

  46. Hans Tholstrup says

    It’s a horrible mess.
    I wish Hamas would just surrender already and save their people from further bombing. I don’t think the Israelis are going to stop until then.

  47. John Morales says

    Hans, then it would become again like the West Bank. The oppression is now three generations on, and ever-escalating. Ever less land for the Palestinians, ever less opportunity, constant humiliations and repression.

    This is the West Bank, remember.
    Palestinian people arbitrarily killed on the street, arrested and detained, humiliated and abused. Just for being there.
    Lots of stories, well-documented. Plenty of video evidence.

    Here’s one from January:

    Two videos from the West Bank showing Israeli troops shooting a 17-year-old boy and security forces repeatedly running over the body of a man they had shot have added to concerns about the Israeli military’s rules of engagement.

    The shooting of 17-year-old Osaid Rimawi in the early hours of last Friday is shown in footage from a security camera in a local shop that was obtained by the Associated Press news agency. The video also shows two earlier rounds of gunfire that injured two unarmed men. Rimawi was killed when he tried to rush to their aid.

    The only weapons visible in the footage are guns held by Israeli soldiers. Soldiers gathered round the dead and injured bodies; one prodded Rimawi with his foot, then drove away. They did not make any arrests.


    Earlier this week, footage from Gaza emerged that appeared to show a sniper killing a woman as she led a column of civilians trying to reach a safe zone in November. She was waving a white flag and walking beside a young child.

    In the wake of Hamas’s 7 October attacks on Israel, which killed 1,200 people, most international focus has been on the war in Gaza, where the death toll has climbed to more than 23,000 and most of the population is displaced and starving.

    But violence against Palestinians – by both Israeli military and settlers – has also risen sharply in the West Bank, with 326 killed, a quarter of them children. Israelis have also injured nearly 600 children.

    Here’s a story from February 15, 2024


    The families of two Palestinian-American teenagers killed in separate but eerily similar incidents in the West Bank say investigators from the U.S. Embassy have visited their homes to look into the shootings.

    The launch of U.S. probes into the killings of Mohammad Khdour and Tawfic Abdel Jabbar reflects what appears to be a lack of confidence in the Israeli justice system to properly investigate the cases. Rights groups have long said that Israeli investigations into killings of Palestinians rarely lead to prosecutions, and the State Department has previously called for an “expeditious and thorough” Israeli investigation into Abdel Jabbar’s killing.


    Khdour, who was born in Hollywood, Florida, was shot Saturday while driving with a cousin on a hillside in Biddu, the town just outside of Jerusalem where Khdour had lived since the age of 2, relatives said. He was born in Hollywood, Florida.

    Seeking some fresh air after studying, Khdour joined the cousin on a drive to the forested hillside where villagers often barbecue, his brother Hamed Khdour said.

    In videos and photos taken before the shooting and seen by The Associated Press, the boys joked around, taking photos of each other for social media and eating chocolate-covered waffles.

    The boys were returning to the village, Hamed said, when they heard gunfire. At least one shot came through the car window, hitting Mohammad squarely in the head.

  48. says

    I wish Hamas would just surrender already and save their people from further bombing.

    Yeah, right, because everything was totally hunky-dory in Gaza before this (latest) attack by Hamas… * eyeroll *

  49. says

    The IDF has described its operation in Nasser as “precise and limited” and accused Hamas of “cynically using hospitals for terror”.

    After Beginyahu and his Likud chums cynically allowed Hamas to run the hospitals in Gaza.

  50. John Morales says

    In the news: https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/childrens-lives-threatened-rising-malnutrition-gaza-strip

    Children’s lives threatened by rising malnutrition in the Gaza Strip
    The situation is especially serious in the north, where one in six children under the age of two is acutely malnourished
    19 February 2024

    GENEVA/NEW YORK/ROME, 19 February 2024 – A steep rise in malnutrition among children and pregnant and breastfeeding women in the Gaza strip poses grave threats to their health, according to a comprehensive new analysis released by the Global Nutrition Cluster.

    As the ongoing conflict in the Gaza Strip enters its 20th week, food and safe water have become incredibly scarce and diseases are rife, compromising women and children’s nutrition and immunity and resulting in a surge of acute malnutrition.


    “The Gaza Strip is poised to witness an explosion in preventable child deaths which would compound the already unbearable level of child deaths in Gaza,” said UNICEF Deputy Executive Director for Humanitarian Action and Supply Operations, Ted Chaiban. “We’ve been warning for weeks that the Gaza Strip is on the brink of a nutrition crisis. If the conflict doesn’t end now, children’s nutrition will continue to plummet, leading to preventable deaths or health issues which will affect the children of Gaza for the rest of their lives and have potential intergenerational consequences.”

    Before the recent months’ hostilities, wasting in the Gaza Strip was rare with just 0.8 per cent of children under 5 years of age acutely malnourished. The rate of 15.6 percent of wasting among children under 2 in Northern Gaza suggests a serious and rapid decline. Such a decline in a population’s nutritional status in three months is unprecedented globally.

  51. John Morales says


    Longish statement by the WHO.
    7:36 PM · Feb 20, 2024


    Nasser hospital has no electricity or running water, and medical waste and garbage are creating a breeding ground for disease. WHO staff said the destruction around the hospital was ‘indescribable.’ The area was surrounded by burnt and destroyed buildings, heavy layers of debris, with no stretch of intact road. An estimated 130 sick and injured patients and at least 15 doctors and nurses remain inside the hospital.

    Prior to the missions, WHO received two consecutive denials to access the hospital for medical assessment, causing delays in urgently needed patient referral. Reportedly, at least five patients died in the Intensive Care Unit before any missions or transfers were possible.


    On 17 February, an UNRWA-led mission, which included WHO staff, delivered 24,000 liters of fuel and limited food and water supplies to the hospital, after not being able to reach it on 16 February due to unforgiving road conditions, including a deep, muddy, impassable ditch 50 meters from the hospital. That day, despite the risks, WHO staff, accompanied by an engineer, managed to reach Nasser Medical Complex on foot. However, they were only permitted to examine the generator, which had ceased functioning after running out of fuel. During both missions, senior WHO staff clearly identified themselves upon entering the hospital compound and requested approval to assess patients and evaluate hospital functionality. These requests were denied.

  52. Katydid says

    CNN reports that on February 5, 2024, a UN aid convoy carrying wheat for the 300K Gazans facing famine in the north was struck by Israeli gunfire destroying the food. Despite receiving clearance for the delivery from Israel’s COGAT, the Coordination of Government Activities in the Territories, the convoy was attacked by Israeli forces.

    Read the CNN report here: http://www.cnn.com/...

  53. John Morales says

    In the news: Gaza food crisis: I miss bread, says girl

    The World Food Programme has paused food deliveries to northern Gaza, noting “complete chaos and violence due to the collapse of civil order”.

    The agency says the decision was not taken lightly and crews had faced crowds, gunfire and looting.

    Videos verified by the BBC show people rushing to delivery trucks and a man gathering spilled flour off the ground. One girl, in tears, says she misses bread.

    The UN has been warning of looming famine in the north since December.

    (Of course, one can’t tell just by looking at the video that the little girl is Palestinian; she could as easily have been Israeli, but she had the misfortune of being born some kilometers away from that nasty pet of the USA)

  54. friedfish2718 says

    “A death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic”.
    Mano does not care about the killing of babies in the Russia-Ukraine war.
    If Israel is not involved, Mano does not care about babies being killed in war.

  55. John Morales says

    In the news: https://www.msf.org/msf-briefing-gaza-un-security-council


    Christopher Lockyear, Secretary General of Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), has today given a briefing to the United Nations Security Council, calling on them to demand an immediate and sustained ceasefire in Gaza, Palestine. Addressing the Council at its monthly meeting on Gaza, Mr Lockyear also called for the unequivocal protection of medical facilities, staff, and patients. Mr Lockyear’s speech to the council is as follows:

    Madam President, excellencies, colleagues,

    As I speak, more than 1.5 million people are trapped in Rafah. People violently forced to this strip of land in southern Gaza are bearing the brunt of Israel’s military campaign.

    We live in fear of a ground invasion.

    Our fears are rooted in experience. Just 48 hours ago, as a family sat around their kitchen table in a house sheltering MSF staff and their families in Khan Younis, a 120mm tank shell exploded through the walls, igniting a fire, and killing two people and severely burning six others. Five of the six injured are women and children.

    We took every precaution to protect the 64 humanitarian staff and family members from such an attack by notifying warring parties of the location and clearly marking the building with an MSF flag.

    Despite our precautions, our building was struck not only by a tank shell but by intense gunfire. Some were trapped in the burning building while active shooting delayed ambulances from reaching them. This morning, I am looking at photos that show the catastrophic extent of the damage and I am watching videos of rescue teams removing the charred bodies from the rubble.

    This is all too familiar—Israeli forces have attacked our convoys, detained our staff, and bulldozed our vehicles, and hospitals have been bombed and raided. Now, for a second time, one of our staff shelters has been hit. This pattern of attacks is either intentional or indicative of reckless incompetence.

  56. John Morales says

    In the news: Israel Not Complying with World Court Order in Genocide Case

    (The Hague, February 26, 2024) – The Israeli government has failed to comply with at least one measure in the legally binding order from the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in South Africa’s genocide case, Human Rights Watch said today. Citing warnings about “catastrophic conditions” in Gaza, the court ordered Israel on January 26, 2024, to “take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian aid,” and to report back on its compliance to the specific measures “within one month.”

    One month later, however, Israel continues to obstruct the provision of basic services and the entry and distribution within Gaza of fuel and lifesaving aid, acts of collective punishment that amount to war crimes and include the use of starvation of civilians as a weapon of war. Fewer trucks have entered Gaza and fewer aid missions have been permitted to reach northern Gaza in the several weeks since the ruling than in the weeks preceding it, according to United Nations Office of the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA).

    “The Israeli government is starving Gaza’s 2.3 million Palestinians, putting them in even more peril than before the World Court’s binding order,” said Omar Shakir, Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch. “The Israeli government has simply ignored the court’s ruling, and in some ways even intensified its repression, including further blocking lifesaving aid.”

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