This is not ‘cool’ or ‘edgy’, it’s just stupid


This is not an omen. This is just the brain of a 53 year old man-child raised on 4chan, who has somehow acquired more money and power than he knows what to do with.

Elon Musk has changed his X profile.
His avatar is now Pepe the Frog, a mascot adopted by white supremacists.
His name is a Latinisation of “Kek”, a phrase used by neo-Nazis.
Musk has also backed AfD in Germany, the political home for racists.
The man is telling us explicitly what he’s about.

Could someone please let him know his immaturity is exposed?

Also, haven’t all the cool kids moved on well past the “kekistan” nonsense? This is so 2015.

Comments

  1. Reginald Selkirk says

    It’s just a spelling error. He meant it to be “Kakistocrat Malodorous”

  2. Ed Seedhouse says

    I have been refusing to do my family’s ritual for many years now in hopes of keeping the new years away. This has been a miserable failure and now here I am at 80 and it looks like I cannot avoid 81 in February. Well, I could avoid it by dying of course (which could spontaneously happen any old time now) but I do not favour this plan.

    And curse you computer for flagging the perfectly correct Canadian spelling of “favour”. You are my servant, I am not yours!

  3. submoron says

    I would prefer to derive it from ‘cacere’ so it would mean the the Great (piece of) Cack.
    Ed Seedhouse @4. I’m in the UK and British spelling is always accepted on this site. Are you set to British English?

  4. laurian says

    This is how it always goes with this Man Child Afrikaner

    Elon comes up with an bad idea.

    Normal people tell him it’s a bad idea

    Elon mistakes critique of insult

    Elon doubles down on bad idea

  5. submoron says

    laurian @ . Too true but I wish that you hadn’t reminded me of the anti-Afrikaner joke about prosthetic surgeons.

  6. lotharloo says

    Pepe and kek are no longer associated with neo Nazi’s or 4chan. It’s as if saying “meme” is associated with supporting Dawkins. The usage has breaded to the wider twitch/gaming culture and pretty much all twitch channels left, right, or apolitical all use pepe based memes.

  7. raven says

    Elon Musk has so much money that he doesn’t have to care about anyone else in the world.
    And he doesn’t.
    Money buys you power and vice versa.

    At least it is in fact, costing him something.
    Tesla car sales aren’t doing all that well any more.

    Are Tesla sales down in 2024?
    NYTImes December 27, 2024

    In the United States, Tesla sales will be down around 6 percent in 2024, a bigger decline than any carmaker except the troubled Stellantis, according to estimates by Cox Automotive. Tesla will end the year with 633,000 cars sold in the United States, Cox expects, giving it a 4 percent share of the total car market.5 days ago

    Tesla Investors Are Still Bullish. Can Elon Musk Deliver?

    The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com › tesla-sales-stock-elon-musk

    Tesla car sales are down 6% lately.
    Elon Musk has done a huge amount to make electric vehicles definitely not cool.
    Would you buy a car from a Nazi?

    I have no intention of ever buying anything even remotely assoicated with Elon Musk. No Tesla cars, No X account which I never visit anyway, no SpaceX satellite launches.
    Surveys show that this is true of a significant fraction of the US population.
    We know who likes us and who hates us and wants to wreck our society.

  8. lotharloo says

    If I were to to make a guess, Elon is using “kek” and “pepe” memes because he is way too much into gaming and I bet he spends tens of hours per week gaming.

  9. raven says

    Buyers Are Avoiding Teslas Because Elon Musk Has …

    Futurism https://futurism.com › the-byte › buyers-avoiding-teslas-…

    Apr 1, 2024 — Electric Slide. Elon Musk’s toxic behavior is seriously starting to affect Tesla’s bottom line, experts say. According to a recent survey by ..

    Tesla cars are death traps anyway.

    “Tesla Has Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands
    Nov 15, 2024 — Tesla vehicles have a fatal crash rate of 5.6 per billion miles driven, according to the study;”

    I saw a bumper sticker on the Tesla in front of me at a stop light, a few months ago.
    “I bought this car before we knew Elon Musk was crazy.”
    It’s on more than just this one car.

    In my area there are a fair number of EVs. Most are not Teslas.
    A lot of people won’t buy a car from some South African guy who insults them and wants to wreck the country he just happens to live in.

  10. Reginald Selkirk says

    @14 raven

    A lot of people won’t buy a car from some South African guy who insults them and wants to wreck the country he just happens to live in.

    Be fair now. He also wants to wreck numerous other countries he doesn’t live in; such as Brazil, the UK and Germany.

  11. microraptor says

    lottharoo @ 13: Lots of people play tens of hours of video games on a weekly basis without going Nazi.

  12. lotharloo says

    @microraptor:

    Yes, and that’s not the connection I was going for. I think there is a lot of evidence for the claim that he is spending a lot of time gaming: https://www.reformaustin.org/tech/how-does-elon-musk-balance-56-hour-work-weeks-with-marathon-diablo-4-sessions/

    Recently, Elon Musk claimed to be in the top 20 of Diablo 4 players in an interview with Joe Rogan. Surprisingly, his claims are true, as a leaderboard shows him at spot #19 in the world in terms of timed runs of Pit 150. Forbes’ Paul Tassi theorized Musk would have had to grind dozens of maybe hundred of hours to achieve this.

    Back in 2022, Musk also posted a photo of his level 121 Elden Ring character, just a month after the game was released. Achieving that level could have taken up to 120 hours.

    Those exact claims are disputed a bit and some claim maybe he is paying someone to boost his accounts but even then, if you are not into gaming, why the hell bother doing it?

    The point is that the “richest man on earth” and “the CEO of multiple billion dollar companies” does not really do much actual work. He just tweets, games, parties, and wastes time online.

    He’s not the only tech bro though. Sam Bankman Fried was also addicted to gaming and was spending a lot of time just playing video games: https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/18/23515510/riot-games-sam-bankman-fried-league-of-legends-ftx-reputation

  13. raven says

    …how-does-elon-musk-balance-56-hour-work-weeks-with-marathon-diablo-4-sessions

    Just guessing here.

    Musk is open about his drug use, ketamine and cannabis.
    It wouldn’t surprise me if he uses methamphetamine or captagon to stay awake.

  14. says

    I have a parody of a taxonomy lesson I need to upload and provide you with the link. It is about the elongated muskrat. However, no matter how badly he is portrayed, he always further exceeds the limits of decency, intelligence, etc than can be shown in parody or satire.

  15. Reginald Selkirk says

    @22 specialffrog
    Any reason to think Musk doesn’t pay people to play for him?

    After he took over Twi#er, he got a reputation for not paying people. Rich people don’t get rich by giving their money away.

  16. lotharloo says

    @20 raven:
    Or more realistically, he does not work 56 hours per week. I would guess he actually works 3-4 hours max per day. Possibly even less.

  17. lotharloo says

    @22 specialffrog:

    For the Elden ring thing, since he is bragging about the level, I would bet he has paid for it.Basically, I don’t think he played Elden Ring for 12 hours per day every day, maybe he paid for the boring grind parts, but either way it’s very clear that he plays a lot of video games. He also tweets a lot. He also wastes a lot of time online. The guy just doesn’t actually do any work. There is also a lot of anecdotes that he very loosely in charge of his companies (e.g., spaceX).

  18. microraptor says

    CEOs in general do not actually need to do much work for their company’s operations. In Musk’s case in particular, his presence is more of a determent to the company than an asset: there was an interview with a former SpaceX exmployee shortly after he bought Twitter where the employee stated that the reason SpaceX was doing the best out of all of Musk’s companies was because it had a layer of middle management who’s entire job was to prevent Musk’s dumb ideas from being implemented.

    And regarding billionaires not paying people, you think there isn’t a whole legion of Muskrat fanboys who’d pay him in order to play video games on his account in order to pump his numbers?

  19. John Morales says

    “The man is telling us explicitly what he’s about.”

    Saying “I am a fascist” would be explicit.
    Saying “I am trolling” would be explicit.

    Changing his X profile, not so much.

  20. petesh says

    I recently read Musk being quoted as saying the reason he likes IVF is that it is time-efficient. Sex takes longer. This dude needs time in a padded room. Would anyone organize an intervention? No, I think everyone would be just as happy to watch Elon flame out completely like Howard Hughes.

  21. John Morales says

    petesh, Arnie once claimed getting a pump was better than sex, too. He was also trolling.

  22. monad says

    Wait, are people really claiming the man who explicitly supports neo-Nazis and has a long history of involvement with far right memes might be just using the popular neo-Nazi memes by accident after he picked them up from gaming? Man, do rich people ever get cut an infinite amount of slack.

  23. dangerousbeans says

    @lotharloo
    Maybe you should consider your own use of fascist memes? and that of your friends?
    Don’t worry, I’m sure you’re being “ironic”

  24. Bekenstein Bound says

    A lot of people won’t buy a car from some South African guy who insults them and wants to wreck the countryplanet he just happens to live in.

    FTFY. HTH.

    Forbes’ Paul Tassi theorized Musk would have had to grind dozens of maybe hundred of hours to achieve this.

    Oh Paul, you sweet summer child, surely you don’t think someone as rich as Musk actually does his own grinding, do you?

    Also, haven’t all the cool kids moved on well past the “kekistan” nonsense? This is so 2015.

    All your dated meme are belong to us.

  25. John Morales says

    BB, “some South African guy” could mean Trevor Noah or the dude that begged me for coins whilst loudly proclaiming his Christianity at the airport in Johannesburg.

    Rhetorically, he’s just some guy, but actually, he’s the richest guy.

    Anyway.

    “A lot of people won’t buy a car from some South African guy” is the claim.

    The reality is that a lot of people will, and it is not unprofitable.

    Here, actual real world data: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/net-worth

    All your dated meme are belong to us.

    Heh.

    4ll y0ur 0ld 1nt3rn3t j0k3s 4r3 0urs.

  26. John Morales says

    Forbes’ Paul Tassi theorized Musk would have had to grind dozens of maybe hundred of hours to achieve this.

    Oh Paul, you sweet summer child, surely you don’t think someone as rich as Musk actually does his own grinding, do you?

    Um, the joke is that he couldn’t have done so unless.

    (Your amount of acumen is by now ascertainable)

  27. says

    “Kekius Maximus?!” Really?! God’s death, this guy gives childish pretentiousness a bad name. Nazi-affiliated or not, that’s gotta be one of the top-ten stoopidest fake names ever.

  28. Tethys says

    Aw, is the entitled foreigner whinging again because nobody actually likes him even when he pays millions of dollars to ruin Twitter and then more millions to fuck over my country?

    Vekius means evilness, Kakius means shittiness. Both are true, and I hope Tesla stock continues losing value as its owner devolves into a social pariah.

  29. petesh says

    Apparently Musk is aiming to take over the world. First the US, then Germany, then the UK … what is next? Well, pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall, as King James (not the Lakers guy) put it.

  30. says

    Pepe and kek are no longer associated with neo Nazi’s or 4chan. … The usage has breaded to the wider twitch/gaming culture and pretty much all twitch channels left, right, or apolitical all use pepe based memes.

    That may be true, but he calls himself “Kekius MAXIMUS,” meaning MAXIMUM kekiness, which means ALL the meanings of that word, including (though not necessarily limited to) neo-Nazis and 4chan!

  31. Tethys says

    You might want to check the current trend of Tesla stock, which has been on a slide since it posted Q4 sales data showing declining numbers. I’m sure that’s one reason Maximum Shittiness is having a meltdown, besides the delightful part where the various factions of maga-mania are very predictably turning on each other.

    377.70 USD −26.14 (6.47%)today
    Jan 2, 3:42 PM EST

  32. John Morales says

    That’s why the line is jagged, Tethys.
    Up and down all the time are stocks, so one looks at the trend over time.

    For ref: one bitcoin is worth 156,171.73AUD
    +3,609.70 (2.37%) today

  33. John Morales says

    PS
    I’m sure that’s one reason Maximum Shittiness is having a meltdown

    I reckon you are imagining that; he’s happy as could be, actually.

    (Wishful thinking is wishful)

  34. dangerousbeans says

    “Tesla stock is going up therefore it’s a successful car company” is an impressive misunderstanding of the situation. Yeah they make cars, but the stock bit is just a meme stock at this point. Tesla is valued significantly more than Toyota, despite selling about 1/5th of the cars

  35. birgerjohansson says

    I am not so interested in his private life, it is bad enough he treats employees badly and sponsors evil Republicans. We already know from his social media presence that he has zero filter between brain and mouth and apparently not much impulse control nor many social skills.

  36. John Morales says

    “Tesla stock is going up therefore it’s a successful car company” is an impressive misunderstanding of the situation.

    Who do you imagine would make such a claim, dangerousbeans?

    What I noted is that it’s been gaining value, directly contrasting to Tethy’s wishful thinking.

    Besides, the share price is not the valuation.

    As per my link, the valuation was $33.74B on 5/20/2019 and $1,395.06B on 12/09/2024.
    It’s obviously worth more now than it was then.

  37. unclefrogy says

    He’s not the only tech bro though. Sam Bankman Fried was also addicted to gaming

    that is not very surprising.
    What Tesla did is make EVs cool and not a Nerdy fringey side issue not an insignificant accomplishment. EVs were going to happen thanks to the Oil market and global warming. It was in the right place at the right time and did the right thing. Now others can join this market segment with other cars and e-bikes and scooters and boats and airplanes as serious things.
    Yes thank you for reminding me of the once powerful and highly influential Howard Hughes. The company of that name still exists but Howard fell pretty far from important celebrity and one of the movers and shakers, way before he died.
    The similarity is kind of sad really

  38. Bekenstein Bound says

    Raging Bee said, right after someone farted:

    “Kekius Maximus?!” Really?! God’s death, this guy gives childish pretentiousness a bad name. Nazi-affiliated or not, that’s gotta be one of the top-ten stoopidest fake names ever.

    One of the top ten, maybe, but it seems unlikely to unseat the champ, which, as anyone who wasn’t living under a rock in 2017 knows, is “Taserface”.

  39. Tethys says

    Leave it to John Morales to fail to comprehend anything about human behavior, while making snide comments about my supposed wishful thinking.
    The recent banning rampage on Xitter and his Kekius Maximus temper tantrum are strong evidence that Maximum Shithead is not happy.

    He has huge issues about the fact that he isn’t truly liked by anyone, including all his former spouses and their various spawn.

  40. John Morales says

    The recent banning rampage on Xitter and his Kekius Maximus temper tantrum are strong evidence that Maximum Shithead is not happy.

    So… once was “I’m sure that’s one reason Maximum Shittiness is having a meltdown”, but now is become “The recent banning rampage on Xitter and his Kekius Maximus temper tantrum are strong evidence that Maximum Shithead is not happy.”

    And he has huge issues!

    Leave it to John Morales to fail to comprehend anything about human behavior, while making snide comments about my supposed wishful thinking.

    I am restricted as to my retorts, here.
    But I do note your loving intent and your generous nature.

  41. says

    I think the interesting thing about these ‘nazi’ memes is that they were/are in general usage in parts of the internet, but it seems like the fascists hold on to them WAY after everyone else has moved on.

    Also, changing your profile image to a pepe space marine should not be more of an indication of nazi sympathies than openly stating that white people are genetically superior and something needs to be done…

  42. dangerousbeans says

    @ Ian King
    Look up Ian Danskin’s (Innuendo studios) talk on gamergate. That stuff was everywhere as part of a coordinated effort to push fascist BS. A lot of people have realised it now, but there are still some who think it’s cool

  43. says

    When Dr Who first aired, the Darleks were a metaphor for Nazis. This was back in 1963 when people still remembered Nazis all too well.
    Musk has become a Darlek.

  44. raven says

    Yahoo finance this morning:

    📦 Tesla’s delivery problem: Tesla fishtailed into the new year with a disappointing quarterly vehicle delivery number.

    The 495,930 deliveries fell short of the expected 510,400, critically putting the total 2024 figure under 2023’s figure, marking an annual sales decline. While Tesla bulls see this as a brief charging stop on a trip to the moon — and sales figures don’t matter when you’re going full robotaxi — investors didn’t love this, and the stock fell 6%.

    Tesla did not have a good fourth quarter, 2024.
    Their sales are down year over year.

    I don’t know, maybe completely alienating half of your potential market wasn’t a good sales strategy.

  45. John Morales says

    raven: https://au.investing.com/news/analyst-ratings/tesla-shares-outlook-stable-despite-q4-delivery-and-production-challenges-says-truist-93CH-3609165

    Interesting snippet there: “On a philanthropic note, Tesla CEO Elon Musk recently donated 268,000 shares of his company to undisclosed charities, continuing his tradition of end-of-year charitable contributions.”

    [datum] 408.89 +29.61(+7.81%) Real-time Data 07:16:57
    (https://au.investing.com/equities/tesla-motors)

    Jagged lines, Tethys.

  46. Tethys says

    jagged lines

    Molinos?

    At no point did I mention how stock prices fluctuate, but whatever. I have zero interest in the topic beyond noting the drop coincides with a petulant kekius tantrum.

    Tesla Rival Rivian’s Stock Has Best Day EverAs Surprise Post-Election Rally

    Jan 3, 2025,04:16pm EST- Rivian stock rallied Friday to its biggest daily percentage gain ever as part of a broader automaker rally, continuing a strong stretch for the Tesla rival following the election and bucking conventional wisdom about what President-elect Donald Trump’s cold stance on electric vehicle subsidies may mean for Rivian stock.
    Rivian And Volkswagen Increase Joint Venture Investment
    Rivian stock has been a surprise post-election [+]
    winner.

    KEY FACTS

    -Rivian stock rose 24.5% to $16.49, the steepest one-day gain since the company went public in November 2021, topping the prior mark set in June.

    -The California-based automaker registered its highest intraday share price since July 23.

    -The rally followed Rivian’s morning report revealing slightly better fourth-quarter car delivery data than Wall Street expected.

    The 14,183 vehicles delivered last quarter topped consensus analyst estimates of about 13,000, according to FactSet, while Rivian’s 51,579 deliveries across 2024 edged out the consensus forecast of about 51,000.

    TESLA STOCK BOUNCES BACK

    Friday was a strong day for American car stocks across the board. Shares of bigger-footprint automakers Ford, General Motors and Tesla rose 2%, 1% and 8%, respectively. The Michigan-based Ford and General Motors each reported their best annual car sales since 2019, helping their share prices, while Tesla clawed back from its 6% loss Thursday after its fourth-quarter delivery data fell short of analyst projections.

    More at the link, including analysis about Rivian EVs being eligible for tax credits under current legislation, which of course the dumpster fire wants to scrap.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2025/01/03/tesla-rival-rivians-stock-races-to-6-month-high-as-surprise-post-election-rally-accelerates/

  47. John Morales says

    You are the one tilting, Tethys. There is no meltdown, and as quoted by raven “The 495,930 deliveries fell short of the expected 510,400” whereas, as quoted by you, “The 14,183 vehicles delivered last quarter topped consensus analyst estimates of about 13,000”.

    (And you’re still thinking of Tesla as just selling cars. Ah well)

  48. John Morales says

    Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Energy

    “Tesla Energy Operations, Inc. is the clean energy division of Tesla, Incorporated that develops, manufactures, sells and installs photovoltaic solar energy generation systems, battery energy storage products and other related products and services to residential, commercial and industrial customers.”

  49. Tethys says

    I’m not thinking about Tesla at all. I am doing more productive and rewarding things like making pasta fagioli and a lovely loaf of bread. Currently taking a short tea break and then it’s time to shape my dough.

    I am delighted with my first proof. It’s more than doubled in size, and escaping out of the bowl.

  50. StevoR says

    South Oz my state has good cause to remeber Musk’s big battery :

    The world’s biggest lithium-ion battery — built by tech billionaire Elon Musk’s company Tesla last year — has survived its first summer in South Australia’s mid-north.And according to a new report by the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO), it’s outperforming coal and gas generators on some key measures. Here’s a look at how it’s performed and its potential impact on the future of power in Australia.

    Source : https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-06/tesla-battery-outperforms-coal-and-gas/9625726

    Although it has emerged that :

    ..the former government decided not to pursue a claim of liquidated damages against the battery’s owner, Hornsdale Power Reserve (HPR), for failing to meet a deadline for demonstrating the battery’s reliability.

    Source : https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-28/owner-of-elon-musks-big-sa-battery-escapes-taxpayer-fine/10560386

    So that was one good thing Musk or at least his company accomplished and helped developed tech~wise

    Musk used to be far more reasonable back when his uber-rich man’s hobby was rocketry and space travel rather than buying political power for Fascist extremists as he seems to be focusing on doing now :

    The world’s richest man just helped Donald Trump return to the White House, but Elon Musk isn’t just interested in the future of the United States. The billionaire is increasingly injecting himself into European politics. Over the past six months, Musk has been outspoken about issues far beyond America’s borders.

    The billionaire has argued that Britain is “turning into a police state” and claimed that the once-shunned German far-right political party Alternative for Deutschland (AfD) is the country’s “only hope”. He’s also called for a new election in the United Kingdom, despite one being held in July last year, and argued that “only Reform can save Britain”. Reform UK is a populist, right-wing political party led by Brexiteer Nigel Farage.

    … (Snip)..

    Some experts are warning Musk could be interested in Australia’s federal election, which must be held on or before May 17. “I think globally, certainly Australia will be in his sights, I’d be interested to see what he says,” Professor Cox said. “I suspect that the pressure he’s going to put on Australia, if it is pressure, is he’s going to try and move the Australian political debate further to the right and away from where it is at the moment, with Prime Minister Albanese.”

    Source : https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/musk-could-turn-focus-to-europe-and-australia-after-us/104780406

    Yeah, this is getting seriously worrying and ominous for democracy and those the leftwing of politics globally.

  51. StevoR says

    @68. As some may recall Musk’s politics not that many years ago was quite decent and respectable :

    Musk was a registered independent voter when he lived in California. Historically, he has donated to both Democrats and Republicans,[423] many of whom serve in states in which he has a vested interest.[424] Beginning in the late 2010s, his political contributions have shifted almost entirely to supporting Republicans.[425]

    Musk voted for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 US presidential election.[426] In the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries, Musk endorsed candidate Andrew Yang and expressed support for his proposed universal basic income.[427] He also endorsed Kanye West’s 2020 presidential campaign.[428] He voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 US presidential election.[429] In May 2022, Musk said that he could “no longer support” the Democrats because they are the “party of division & hate”,[430][431] and wrote a tweet encouraging “independent-minded voters” to vote Republican in the 2022 US elections.

    Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk#Politics

    It looks to me like Musk has basically self-radicalised over the last five years or so. Helped by those he’s encouraged and who in turn have been cheering him onwards and further reichwards.

    @36. monad :

    Wait, are people really claiming the man who explicitly supports neo-Nazis and has a long history of involvement with far right memes might be just using the popular neo-Nazi memes by accident after he picked them up from gaming? Man, do rich people ever get cut an infinite amount of slack.

    Quoting for truth. Musk has become as noted again a fucking outright nazi at this point. I don’t think its really possible to deny that. I don’t think there’s any chance his silly trolling teh libs-y profile change is accidental or other than a statement of where he stands now politically & culturally.

  52. Bekenstein Bound says

    Leave it to John Morales to fail to comprehend anything about human behavior, while making snide comments about my supposed wishful thinking.

    Sheldon Cooper understood something he doesn’t: if you want to be a dick to everyone around you and still be loved you have to be funny.

    On a philanthropic note, Tesla CEO Elon Musk recently donated 268,000 shares of his company to undisclosed charities, continuing his tradition of end-of-year charitable contributions.

    I object: there is no proof that these were philanthropic donations rather than misanthropic donations. Since they were “undisclosed charities” they may well have been right wing think tanks or other such nonprofits whose purpose is to hurt people or, at best, help those who need help the least rather than to help those who need it the most.

  53. John Morales says

    “Sheldon Cooper understood something he doesn’t: if you want to be a dick to everyone around you and still be loved you have to be funny.”

    That’s the fictional character who is a genius and also autistic, no?

    (I’m neither of those, and I’m not fictional, either)

  54. Tethys says

    John just enjoys a rousing debate, and seems to take an interest in Musk. Everyone needs a hobby.

    The loaf is rising magnificently, and I used the extra to make a pan of cherry pinwheels for dessert.

  55. John Morales says

    “John just enjoys a rousing debate, and seems to take an interest in Musk.”

    Close. I dispute unwarranted claims.

    “Ad hominem.”

    I get a lot of that. Usually with a side dish of dehumanisation.

    e.g. “Leave it to John Morales to fail to comprehend anything about human behavior”.

  56. StevoR says

    @79. Bekenstein Bound : “Decent and respectable? He (Musk -ed) donated to Republicans.”

    Yes, well, relatively. Certianly compared what Musk has become since. He also used to donate to and vote for Democrats as well. (See #77.) Admittedly ever giving $$ to Repugs ain’t good but, again, compared to what Musk has degenerated into and how he’s shifted to the extreme reichwing he was at least relatively moderate and centrist once.

  57. dangerousbeans says

    @StevoR yeah that one. Although when discussing fascism and gamergate swearing seems entirely appropriate and the least of the warnings the topic needs

  58. numerobis says

    John just enjoys a rousing debate

    I’m pretty sure it’s just pure contradiction he enjoys. I’ve never seen him actually build on anything, or display basic literacy or numeracy skills.

    A perfect partner for Silentbob, really.

    It’s rather sad how useless it makes the discussion here. Probably I should move over to more baking endeavors myself.

  59. indianajones says

    @numerobis I reckon he’d correct Shakespeare’s spelling and claim arrogantly it was an improvement. Then get upset at being called arrogant.

  60. John Morales says

    I must concede I also think that the proportion of people who are as innumerate and illiterate as I am is rather minuscule.

    (Quite interesting, this gossiping that accrues around me — everything from insecure with low self-esteem to arrogant but upset at the supposed epithet. Evidently, I am remarkable)

  61. John Morales says

    BTW, Tethys: “You might want to check the current trend of Tesla stock, which has been on a slide since it posted Q4 sales data showing declining numbers.”

    Good suggestion; here: 410.44 +31.16 (+8.22%) today.

    (Your figures at the time were 377.70 USD −26.14 (6.47%)today)

  62. Rob Grigjanis says

    John can be a pain in the arse, but he is neither innumerate nor illiterate. Criticize by all means, but don’t make shit up.

  63. Bekenstein Bound says

    On the nexus between Gamergate and the far-right, an excellent (but long) read would be Elizabeth Sandifer’s Neoreaction a Basilisk. If you want to know what was going on in the way of developments on the far right in the years leading up to Trump 2016, that should be one of your main sources.

  64. Tethys says

    Current is the operative term in that quote from two days ago John. I’m still not interested in a discussion about stock markets or Tesla.

    The pasta and bread were delicious!

  65. John Morales says

    Tethys, the very first mention of Tesla stock was yours.

    An interesting approach given your professed lack of interest, and so I mistakenly thought you had some interest in the topic.

    Fair enough.

  66. Silentbob says

    @ Grigjanis

    But can he not be. In over a decade he has been unable to rise to this challenge.

  67. John Morales says

    Silentbob, well, you did diagnose me with low self-esteem.

    I am of course your veriest most favourite subject. By far.

    My dedicated hatefan.

    Shame I can no longer have fun with you, but I can still appeal to reality.

  68. John Morales says

    I kinda wish you weren’t such an arsehole to me, dedicating yourself for years now to popping into threads just to bullshit about me and my supposed trollishness.

    Again: you do the very thing you claim I do.

    You just can’t cope with the fact that I wear no mask.

  69. StevoR says

    @86. dangerousbeans : “@StevoR yeah that one. Although when discussing fascism and gamergate swearing seems entirely appropriate and the least of the warnings the topic needs.”

    Truth!

    Excellent video. Did watch it yesterday and thanks.

  70. StevoR says

    @ John Morales & SilentBob : Could you two just ignore each other & /or get a room already?

  71. John Morales says

    FFS!

    StevoR, do you imagine ignoring the pest will make him less pestiferous?

    I have an obsessive hatefan who will regularly pops into threads (like this one, @81) purely to slyme on me, and I already tried to ignore him back in the first year of this 4-year long session.

    That’s what bob the Unsilent does. Has done, for years. Over multiple blogs.

    Go get a room with fucking boobiferant, if that’s what you want to do, but stop trying to pretend it’s both of us. There is no ‘us’.

    There is a persistent pest, and there are my responses to the pest.
    I can’t possibly respond unless I am provoked and needled, and I’m not gonna cop shit just because it annoys you that I respond to my hatefan.

    I will stop responding when he stops needling.

    Am I sufficiently clear for you?
    There is most certainly no ‘us’, any more than there is an ‘us’ between you and I.

    Tell him to stop pestering me, and there will no longer be responses from me about his pestering.
    I assure you it annoys me at least as much as it annoys you, but I’m not one to shut up and cop abuse just because you can’t cope with the display.

    It’s not cool or edgy just to pop into threads to abuse someone, and it’s also not that cool or edgy to fucking whinge to the person who is standing up for themself.

    Get this: there is no ‘us’. No rooms to be had.
    Got it?

    I can explain in further detail, if I am still too fucking obscure for you.

  72. StevoR says

    @ ^ John Morales : Fair enough. That’s clear.

    Silentbob : Will you stop pestering John Morales please? If he never refers to you again will you do likewise?

  73. Bekenstein Bound says

    You just can’t cope with the fact that I wear no mask.

    Unfortunately, turns out you’re that guy from Phantom of the Opera and you really should.

    It’s not cool or edgy just to pop into threads to abuse someone

    To all reading this thread: if you heard a fizzing sound or a pop, check your irony meter immediately. It may need replacing after that.

  74. John Morales says

    BB, alas, my musicology is non-existent, and I have no architectural aptitude, and you’ve failed to understand my allusion, though this is the third time. Oh, and I’m not a jealous guy.

    But yes, irony.
    You pop in to write comments like “Unfortunately, turns out you’re that guy from Phantom of the Opera and you really should”, and talk about irony meters.

    (Your script-kiddie version of cargo-cult internet snark is remarkable in its pathos)

  75. chigau (違う) says

    Did you know that in Base 10, numbers that are divisible by 3, the sum of their digits is divisible by 3.
    and numbers that are divisible by 9, the sum of their digits is divisible by 9.

  76. Ichthyic says

    “Leave it to John Morales to fail to comprehend anything about human behavior””

    you’ve been getting the same message for literally decades now. for as long as you have been here for sure.

    it’s not an attempt at dehumanization. it’s an attempt to get you to recognize when you are being completely clueless. as you are wont to do… frequently. You quite literally refuse to see your own flaws in this area. to the point where people like me, feel the need to embarrass ourselves to point it out to you, again. You have… issues. realize this, and deal with it rather than pretending they do not exist.

  77. John Morales says

    No, I don’t, Ichthyic.

    You, however, are a bit of a mess. Psychologically, I mean.

  78. says

    I don’t think PZ wants to run a child-care center here. The commenters here are generally an intelligent lot. I had hoped that the petty, childish personal attacks here had mostly ceased. I am saddened at the waste of time needed to wade through the childishness to get to the substantial comments. It degrades these articles.
    Please, people, act like responsible, topic-focused adults, not petty children.

  79. dangerousbeans says

    @Shermanj
    Probably mostly fake accounts. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of his staff just bought followers for his account, but also it’s useful for scam accounts to follow a few people to create a veneer of legitimacy, and Elon is an obvious target for that

  80. StevoR says

    @112. Shermanj : Turns out $$ can buy love – or can it?

    Like the POTUS he purchased Musk does seem insatiable and insecure as F.

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