Salon has also picked up my Near death, rehashed article, which further abuses Mario Beauregard. Let’s see what New Agers come scuttling out of the woodwork again.
I suspect we’re in for a series of near-brain-death experiences.
Loqisays
I assume it will be more of the same: unsubstatiated anecdotes that aren’t evidence for anything. I don’t expect that they’ll understand that the criticism is of their arguments and sloppy thinking, not just their conclusion.
chakeithsays
The comments at Salon are hilarious – a little heated, even. Good stuff
Aren’t Near Death Experiences cultural anyway? I seem to remember reading someplace that where a Christian sees HEAVEN the buddhist might see the Wheel or some such. Though I don’t remember with much certainty and don’t remain atop the matter.
The important thing to remember is that this is every bit as scientific as ID, which no doubt is why Denyse O’Leary cooperated in writing his dreck.
Teach the controversy, academic freedom, and all that. If basically Xian BS against evolution is to be taught, why not New Age BS about how the brain is just a useful interface for “the mind.”
Above all, why should one form of BS censor any other form of BS?
The comments at Salon are hilarious – a little heated, even. Good stuff
There’s a tone troll, and a request to prove a negative, and materialism-is-pseudoscience, and an Ad-hominem missfire, and a shifting of the burden of proof, and science-doesn’t-know-everything…
I thought the character in Storm was a bit of a stereotype but it’s all there. Admittedly from different people, but we’re all the one Ground of Being after all.
There’s a tone troll, and a request to prove a negative, and materialism-is-pseudoscience, and an Ad-hominem missfire, and a shifting of the burden of proof, and science-doesn’t-know-everything…
I suddenly feel the urge to go over there and encourage them. I’m sorry—I know it makes me a terrible person and all, but OMFG the lulz.
*trrrryy…toooooo…resist…*
A. Rsays
We should attract the Salon idiots to TZT for the new people to snine their fangs on.
Salon commenters aren’t as head-on-pants-wooey as Alternet commenters, but that’s not saying much. Most definitely, a lot of them like being stupid and wrong at the tops of their voices, and not only about woo.
Wow, gragra. You were not kidding. I think my favorite is science cannot explain why women’s menstruation synchronizes with the lunar cycle (?!), therefore woo. Or maybe it’s that no one can explain the deep mystery of how bees can fly, therefore woo.
To be fair, a lot of sharper wits over there are knocking them down, and with bonus mockery.
corallinesays
Yes, but one’s own pants, or someone else’s… while they’re being worn? That’s fun.
A. Rsays
coralline: I should imagine it would be one’s own trousers, so as to facilitate cephalic penetration of the anal aperture.
corallinesays
A.R :
I see what you did there. Kind of wish I didn’t. :D
A. Rsays
coralline: I’ve found that to be the standard body position for most woo-ists.
psanitysays
I got a kick out of the commenter, on the side of reason, who intentionally misspells PZ’s name differently every time he uses it. It’s like meta-mockery. Is Mikeyc a local denizen?
kemist, Dark Lord of the Sithsays
I think my favorite is science cannot explain why women’s menstruation synchronizes with the lunar cycle (?!)
It doesn’t.
At best it mysteriously synchronizes with the single time in the year you happen to be taking vacation near the sea (and you have forgotten your effective prescription painkillers at home and are stuck with stupid useless tylenol) so as to make that time as miserable as possible.
rjlangleysays
@24 Ergo Jesus.
John Moralessays
[OT + meta]
kemist, amusingly, on my screen your comment is just to the left of the entry The Well-Timed Period of the right-hand pane’s blogroll.
I suspect the ever-morphing spelling of my name is the product of a denizen of talk.origins. It was a kind of game they played there, morphing my name around to a novel configuration every time they referred to me.
I just realized…that was from 20 freakin’ years ago. How long have I been doing this? And how long have people been mangling my name?
ladyh42says
Kemist wins a million internets, for nothing more than absolute truth!
'Tis Himself says
Salon still gives a link to SB Pharyngula.
Marcus Hill says
At the end of the Salon article:
See, not only can you be a disembodied mind, you can be a sentient blog!
reasonbeing says
If the best they can put forward is the “Maria’s Shoe” argument, then their responses are really not even worth reading.
PZ Myers says
They also put forward the “Old guy finds his dentures” argument!
gragra says
I take it they pay you for using your stuff?
Caine, Fleur du mal, OM says
It might be nice if they could figure out Pharyngula FtB.
PZ:
I’m afraid to ask, so I won’t.
Zinc Avenger says
I suspect we’re in for a series of near-brain-death experiences.
Loqi says
I assume it will be more of the same: unsubstatiated anecdotes that aren’t evidence for anything. I don’t expect that they’ll understand that the criticism is of their arguments and sloppy thinking, not just their conclusion.
chakeith says
The comments at Salon are hilarious – a little heated, even. Good stuff
ruteekatreya says
Aren’t Near Death Experiences cultural anyway? I seem to remember reading someplace that where a Christian sees HEAVEN the buddhist might see the Wheel or some such. Though I don’t remember with much certainty and don’t remain atop the matter.
Glen Davidson says
The important thing to remember is that this is every bit as scientific as ID, which no doubt is why Denyse O’Leary cooperated in writing his dreck.
Teach the controversy, academic freedom, and all that. If basically Xian BS against evolution is to be taught, why not New Age BS about how the brain is just a useful interface for “the mind.”
Above all, why should one form of BS censor any other form of BS?
Glen Davidson
gragra says
There’s a tone troll, and a request to prove a negative, and materialism-is-pseudoscience, and an Ad-hominem missfire, and a shifting of the burden of proof, and science-doesn’t-know-everything…
I thought the character in Storm was a bit of a stereotype but it’s all there. Admittedly from different people, but we’re all the one Ground of Being after all.
irisvanderpluym says
I suddenly feel the urge to go over there and encourage them. I’m sorry—I know it makes me a terrible person and all, but OMFG the lulz.
*trrrryy…toooooo…resist…*
A. R says
We should attract the Salon idiots to TZT for the new people to snine their fangs on.
Ms. Daisy Cutter, Gynofascist in a Spiffy Hugo Boss Uniform says
Salon commenters aren’t as head-on-pants-wooey as Alternet commenters, but that’s not saying much. Most definitely, a lot of them like being stupid and wrong at the tops of their voices, and not only about woo.
Ms. Daisy Cutter, Gynofascist in a Spiffy Hugo Boss Uniform says
Jesus fuck, did I actually type “head-on-pants”? Argh. You know what I meant. The opposite.
A. R says
Ms Daisy Cutter: I find that the alternative situation of head-in-pants is quite common.
irisvanderpluym says
Wow, gragra. You were not kidding. I think my favorite is science cannot explain why women’s menstruation synchronizes with the lunar cycle (?!), therefore woo. Or maybe it’s that no one can explain the deep mystery of how bees can fly, therefore woo.
To be fair, a lot of sharper wits over there are knocking them down, and with bonus mockery.
coralline says
Yes, but one’s own pants, or someone else’s… while they’re being worn? That’s fun.
A. R says
coralline: I should imagine it would be one’s own trousers, so as to facilitate cephalic penetration of the anal aperture.
coralline says
A.R :
I see what you did there. Kind of wish I didn’t. :D
A. R says
coralline: I’ve found that to be the standard body position for most woo-ists.
psanity says
I got a kick out of the commenter, on the side of reason, who intentionally misspells PZ’s name differently every time he uses it. It’s like meta-mockery. Is Mikeyc a local denizen?
kemist, Dark Lord of the Sith says
It doesn’t.
At best it mysteriously synchronizes with the single time in the year you happen to be taking vacation near the sea (and you have forgotten your effective prescription painkillers at home and are stuck with stupid useless tylenol) so as to make that time as miserable as possible.
rjlangley says
@24 Ergo Jesus.
John Morales says
[OT + meta]
kemist, amusingly, on my screen your comment is just to the left of the entry The Well-Timed Period of the right-hand pane’s blogroll.
(Yes, I’m easily amused)
a3kr0n says
I don’t understand how this works. Do you give them permission to print your article, or do they just take it?
F says
Zinc Avenger #7
Or near-brain experiences. I run into people having those all the time.
What a Maroon, Applied Linguist of Slight Foreboding says
Hey, I don’t think y’all are giving them enough credit. One of them has a master’s degree…
in Science!
PZ Myers says
I suspect the ever-morphing spelling of my name is the product of a denizen of talk.origins. It was a kind of game they played there, morphing my name around to a novel configuration every time they referred to me.
I just realized…that was from 20 freakin’ years ago. How long have I been doing this? And how long have people been mangling my name?
ladyh42 says
Kemist wins a million internets, for nothing more than absolute truth!
stubby says
It’s on like donkey kong! I apologize for that.