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  1. Zebra says

    Hmm, well, ideally assisted suicide only comes up as a serious consideration when the alternative is more grim…

  2. crucifinch says

    But what of assisted suicide at other times of the morning, and on different days? This particular topic sure is specific.

  3. says

    Oh for fecks sake, I see the Great Canadian Nutcase, David Mabus (née Dennis Markuze), has vomited all over everything again.

  4. says

    And again, this time the vomit not only insults Pee Zed but also his daughter. (And yes, I do realise acknowledging the almost certainly insane Mabus/Markuze’s presence is quite possibility just what he wants.)

  5. nina says

    LYNCHAGE :

    VoilĂ  ce qu’on peut faire quand on se rebiffe et je le conseille Ă  chacun qui peut avoir des ennuis avec ce gros connard de sarkozy ou sa clique de clowns de flics minables : je suis en train de rĂ©gler un petit problème du genre dĂ©tail avec cette grosse tache de si peu prĂ©sident de la rĂ©publique Française, en lui envoyant un avocat pour mises sous surveillance illĂ©gales, lynchage inspirĂ© de bonnes vieilles mĂ©thodes qui ne dĂ©plairaient pas au ku klux klan, lynchage qui n’a mobilisĂ© personne sur le web ou dans la presse et plagiat vulgaire et ridicule qui passe Ă  la tĂ©lĂ©. Avis Ă  la population et merci pour l espace d’expression. VoilĂ , ceci est Ă©galement une tentative de gros scandale public parce que ça calme pas mal les gros connards.
    et dotclear dit :Vous ĂŞtes exclu de ce forum. L’administrateur ou le modĂ©rateur qui vous ont exclu envoient le message suivant –
    Quels PĂ©tochards gerbants Ă  Dotclear de la ” blogosphère ” :)

    Quant a sarkozy, s’il n’aime pas le web, et s’il n’aime pas la rue qui sait, la preuve, très bien se dĂ©fendre, qu’il la quitte !

    ps-ceci n est Ă©videmment, vu la gravitĂ© des propos, pas du tout un ” troll ” – adresse ip comprise

  6. says

    Pee Zed, you missed at least pile of vomit, #9. Mabus/Markuze also vomited on a couple of other threads this morning.

  7. One Eyed Jack says

    Why should assisted suicide be a “grim” topic?

    War is grim. Genocide is grim. Murder, rape, child abuse, domestic violence are grim.

    Choosing to meet death on your own terms? That’s noble.

  8. says

    Suicide. Hmm – been there, done that. But then I was resurrected after 3 days or whatever and now I have to drink baby blood every few weeks to keep my self alive. God is soooo cruel.

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  10. Atheist Cameron says

    i live near seattle, and felt compelled to vote yes on I-1000, the washington assisted suicide law. There has been a bit of a fuss about it (not as much as i thought there would be), yet i don’t see how people can claim to be on the side of compassion and justice and then force people to live through unbearable pain until their deaths. the way i see it, no one should be able to dictate how long you should live, and where we need a lot more resources to go into health, especially mental health, it should be up to no one else but you when you check out for whatever reason.

  11. ESM says

    I agree with One Eyed Jack, who does not think that this subject is grim, or should be considered so. It is almost entirely official religious voices which oppose assistance in dying, yet many religious people support it. Why should atheists not think this is something worthy of their support? Death, and perhaps extreme suffering, comes at last to all of us. Why should those who are in great suffering not be offered the opportunity to hasten their dying? Or do you really think they should be forced to continue, whatever their suffering, because they might offend some god, and die unshriven? Come, come.

    The reason most people say that dying is a grim subject is not only because they do not want to die, but because they have nothing to comfort them at the end. Are you advising us to adopt some religious beliefs, so we may be comforted, and so not find this grim? If atheism can’t deal with death, then it’s going to have a problem convincing most people.

  12. davem says

    Thee is a half-way house between assisted dying and the ‘stay alive at all costs’ thing. In the UK, there is the Hospice movement, a charity, that runs full hospital facilities, where the patients are offered palliative care, but no attempt is made to keep them alive. They essentially say that if there’s no chance of recovery, we’ll help you to die free of pain, and with dignity. there is no attempt made to ‘cure’ the disease, or to slow it down. Just acceptance of the fat of dying, and care until death.

    This is a cause rather too close to my heart at the moment, since my father is lying in a hospice as I type this. For me, what is even more emotional than losing him is watching the loving care that he is being given in the hospice. This truly is the way ahead.