The Roman emperor Caligula threatened to make his favorite horse, Incitatus, a consul. Historians agree he didn’t actually accomplish that, it was more of a demeaning joke against the aristocracy and a way to brag about his power, but still…that’s one of the many stupid, hateful things we remember him for. Caligula has not fared well in history. Historians can argue down to this day that Caligula was the worst Roman emperor of all time, for his capriciousness, his venality, his narcissism, his greed, his ineffectiveness as a leader.
Does that sound familiar?
At least Trump has actually done the thing he claimed he was going to do: he has signed an Executive Order declaring that Lake Ontario is to be renamed Lake America.
resident Donald Trump on Thursday signed an Executive Order instructing Interior Secretary Doug Burgum to rename Lake Ontario as “Lake America.”
The change is set to take effect immediately, he said. Trump earlier in the week had floated the idea of a new moniker for the lake, which borders the Canadian province of Ontario and the U.S. state of New York.
It is absurd. Not only is it not going to happen, but it also highlights the fact that Executive Orders as a tool for governing have been corrupted and are totally useless. No one except brain-dead MAGA clowns are going to call it “Lake America”.
“The name is more than 400 years old, pre-dating both the Confederation of Canada and the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America,” said Carney on Thursday. “We know that America is changing. Their trading relationships, their foreign policies, their national monuments, their hydronyms.”
Insisting that Canadians are aware of the “naming reality,” Carney rejected Trump’s directive for the lake, which borders the Canadian province of Ontario and the U.S. state of New York.
The governor of New York, Kathy Hochul, has also rejected the whole idea.
History and the world are going to be laughing at our idiot president for a long time to come. You might say that at least he hasn’t put a horse in the Senate, but I think a lot of the candidates he has endorsed, and all of the nitwits in his cabinet, would serve us better if they were horses. Put Burgum in harness and run him in the Kentucky Derby, he’d be more useful there than as Secretary of the Interior.
Well, tRUMP hasn’t put a horse in the senate, yet. But it’s obvious we have a Horses’ Ass for president! (literally and figuratively)
AND:
The name “Ontario” derives from an Iroquoian word, most likely “onti:á:io,” meaning “great lake” or “beautiful lake,”
https://www.mikegravel.org/why-is-ontario-called-ontario/
shermanji @ #2 — Per the government of Canada source here:
Who’s to say what’s right. It’s a translation issue. Perhaps we should take it up with James Joyce.
It’ll be interesting to see how quickly Apple and Google fold and change it in their respective maps like they did with the Gulf. They’re too afraid of retaliatory tariffs and regulations. So, even though, no logical person will ever call it that, it’ll still be right there in your face on pretty much every map and GPS in use.
Reminded of a South Park episode. The whole Easter Bunny thing turns out to be based in a secret society that believes the Pope is supposed to be a rabbit. The conspiracy succeeds and appoints a rabbit as Pope.
“He’s not telling us what to do!”
“Exactly!”
Recursive Rabbit @ 5
I recall another SP episode where the priest goes to Rome and discover the Pope is some kind of spider-like monster.
If it had been a really stupid spider-like monster that farted and made racist comments the parallels with today would have been more straightforward.
BTW, where is that “Death Note” protagonist when you need him?
(reference only for manga fans)
@shermanj:
I believe Carney actually commented on the source of the name in a speech recently, based on reporting. Though I’ve heard the name described as either Huron or Wendat depending on source, with roughly the same translation. (Could be all of the above, of course: it’s not like it’s unusual for multiple languages in the same region to share some words. It’s more the norm, really.)
The general consensus on this side of the Lake is that this all just shows how completely incurious and unoriginal Trump is. He’s like a dog pissing on things to mark them, except dogs can usually be trained to be a bit more discreet about it.
(One amusing thing I saw in one of the CBC articles about this is that apparently the first mention of the idea of renaming the lake came during an argument between Trump and Ontario Premier Doug Ford, in which Trump called Ford a ‘less charismatic, intelligent’ version of his late brother Rob, the infamous ‘crack-smoking mayor’ of Toronto. Less charismatic I could grant him, but Doug Ford is definitely not less intelligent than Rob. He’s a whole lot smarter, if no less mean-spirited, and that’s a good chunk of why he tends to be lower-key about shooting his mouth off.)
birgerjohansson @6: I remember that one, too. Tried to overturn church law to disallow pedophilia for priests. Every step of the way, the other priests were surprised he didn’t engage in that activity.
It is a race to see which tech mega-company caves first.
Another company, Mapquest has already said they aren’t going to change it.
Good for them.
I can’t even really care all that much.
Trump and the GOP have already done so many horrible and illegal things that one more doesn’t make that much difference.
An earlier Trump screwup is coming back to bite him. He may regret fucking with the BBC. “BBC Ordering Trump’s Family to Court”
.https://youtube.com/shorts/DpKZrqGAEP0
USA is bordering three oceans and Trump is choosing to rename a lake? Quick, a Dem governor should rename a quite small lake ‘Lake Trump’. Preferably a lake black with silt that no one wants to bathe in. Maybe Califirnia has some modest body of water that only exists during the rainy season?
Lassi Hippeläinen dug out this photo in a newspaper.
“Trump has been seen in Finland trying to get to the Heavens.”
.https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/7d772029-cf92-463c-b275-1a082341b944
(scroll down to the enlargement)
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I am reminded of Sauron turning into a cloud after the ring was destroyed.
There’s an Ottawa neighbourhood called Central Park with a Manhattan theme, including a crescent called Trump Avenue. That didn’t age at all well, and the local city councillor is calling for it to be changed. Residents seem to be divided — yeah, Trump, but it’s a PITA changing your address. Still, I imagine it impacts property values on that street.
Ha ha, the latest from the Pudding-for-Brains Administration.
Also, “America”? You sure ’bout dat? As you very well know, that name comes from one of the early “discoverers”, Messer Amerigo Vespucci from Florence.
So all this time you have been Italians and did not even notice! Has the Orange-utan ever reflected on the origin of the name? Of course not. Fesso.
According to Wikipedia, Caligula was actually really into construction of infrastructure.
The Dump would be a lot more like Nero, except Nero can’t BEGIN to dream of the casualties global warming is going to produce (probably at least two billion and our civilisation).
birgerjohansson #12 Pig farms usually have a pond that stores the pigs predigested output.
also
https://foresttrekwoodwork.ca/product/outhouse – Makes fancy Trump hotels.
The big thing to remember about Caligula’s posthumous reputation is that he was assassinated. It was thus of vital importance for his successor Claudius, and the Praetorian Guard who committed the murder, that he be painted as a mad tyrant who deserved to be bumped off for the good of Rome. Claudius’s legitimacy as emperor hung very substantially on Caligula having been a monster. Indeed, the fact we habitually call him by the infantilising childhood nickname he hated – “Caligula” – rather than his actual name Gaius shows just how successful the character assassination has been. He was also in his mid twenties when he was emperor, which didn’t help given that Romans tended to mistrust rule by people who weren’t comfortably middle aged at least.
As for Trump… well, there’s still time. Though the historians aren’t going to have to do much name-blackening this time round.
Hmmm…what would the Latin for “Little Hands” be?
Ontario is not just a province in Canada. There is a town of Ontario, New York
As someone pointed out all of these name changes are costing millions of dollars
To all the commenters that added info on the origin of ‘Ontario’, thanks for the additional perspective.
However, the most important part of it all to me is it is of First Nations Tribal origins.
There are articles telling us ALL us shipping entering the great lakes goes through a Canadian canal. Many in Canada want to rename that the ‘Strait of Ourmoose’. I think that’s great. (see what I did there ‘great’ as in great lakes)
Gotta laugh sometimes to stop crying over the death spiral ride we are on.
I live in upstate NY, minutes from the SW corner of the Adirondack Park. We get regular visits from Lake Ontario in the form of lake effect snow (and rain). I can assure everyone here that no one but the most die-hard and brain-dead up here are going to call it anything other than Lake Ontario. It’s a non-starter. I have looked out across Lake Ontario more times than I can count, and took some great sunset photos from Oswego (east end of the lake) back in my college days.
@ 20, Reginald Selkirk,
Not only that, but there is also an Ontario County in upstate NY. Interestingly, it does not border the lake, but rather encompasses part of the Finger Lakes region further south of it. And for good measure, just south of Albany, the state capital, there is a small town called Selkirk. A friend of mine lives near there.
@22 shemanj
Not sure which one you are referring to, but there is the Welland Canal that connects Lakes Erie and Ontario. It goes through the Province of Ontario and is a rather important part of the Great Lakes Waterway. Without it, there is a little problem with a certain rough passage of water on the Niagara River that you might have heard of.
There is also an Ontario, Oregon, a small town on the border with Idaho. Population 12,000 which is huge for that area.
And an Ontario, California, part of the Los Angeles suburban sprawl, population 190,000.
They have an airport there and I’ve flown into it before.
Canada has decided to change the name of Canada Geese. They will be officially renamed “Donald Ducks”
Jenora Feuer @8
Wendat is the correct name for the people we used to call Huron. It is not 2 separate people or languages.
@25
Especially confusing if you abbreviate it ‘Ontario, CA’
Cicely, #19
“maniculae” should do the trick.
I always thought Caligula was an internet troll 2000ish years before the internet, and Trump is basically an internet troll as president, so there ya go.
My favorite Caligula story was when a group visited him to plead for some special privilege, he took them on a grand tour of his palace, never let them get a word in edgewise, then saw them out and shut the door in their faces. Trumps not smart enough to do that.
Canada should rename it Lake Canada. I bet they could get numerous countries to sign on.
You know Carney only used “hydronyms” because he knew Trump would need someone to explain it to him.
First thing that occurred to me (along with the Gulf of Mexico renaming) was to lean into it : Gulf of/Lake Fuck Yeah!
No, we won’t. Not only is there nothing funny about this but we know he’s only a symptom and not the cause of U.S belligerence.
The U.S is represented by it’s choice of leaders, it chooses to harm itself and is careless about the consequences of it’s stupidity. The world should no longer accept U.S interests in the established order of business and I hope it’s easy ride on the back of markets and trade organised in it’s interests ends. I sincerely hope, and think there’s an increasing chance commodities will cease being traded in USD, and the country bears the full weight of it’s debt.
Trump has absolutely done permanent and irreparable damage to US international trade in many sectors. Previous trading relations built up a lot of US control mechanisms which everyone else took as the price of doing business with the world’s biggest economy (e.g. miltech where the US could unilaterally brick the software). By a combination of tariffs and demonstrating the same attitude to the terms of international agreements as Darth Vader, Trump has reduced the benefits of trading with the US so much that everyone else is just building up partnerships that exclude them (such as Canada and the EU), and once those are established, nobody is going back to those shitty one-sided deals, especially whilst there is still a possibility of another Trump being elected. Those trade agreements are gone for the foreseeable future, which will be a lasting blow to the US economy.
As I noted in a previous thread here; “Lake America” is what we should call the post-Trump reno Washington reflecting pool – broken, full of algae and peeling facade needless wrecked and now dry and gone.
I did see a meme suggesting Canadians are now renaming the USA South Canada altho’ obvs a slight issue given the geography of Alaska and its location relative to the Maple leaf nation!
PS. Pharyngula & FTB has a search bar whence you get all the blog posts listed under certain topics eg :
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/?s=Milo+Yiannopoulos
You know that yeah? It does come in handy sometimes.
Think those are arranged chronologically and, if so, the most recent time Milo Y was discussed here (by PZ at least) was the 17th February 2021. So, yeah , quite a long time ago.
Nope, StevoR. I posted a search elsethread. I know you read that post, since you commented on it.
freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/23/the-hopeless-arrogance-of-milo-yiannopoulos/ is much more recent.
(Bots are better at it, obs)
[argh, copypaste error]
Wrong link; this one: freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2022/12/05/if-it-werent-so-dizzying-it-might-be-entertaining/
@22 shermanj, @24 jimf: not just the canal round Niagara, but the whole St Lawrence River beyond Cornwall Island too. Let’s rename the Atlantic Ocean Galway Bay. Galway actually exists, much of the time, whereas Atlantis never did.
Oh, and Lake America isn’t mentioned in any of the treaties that govern navigation on the Lakes and the St Lawrence… so presumably those treaties are now void?
It’s a game anybody can play!
https://gulfof.mapquest.com/lakeontario
Go nuts, y’all….
If (when?) there’s a (renewed?) Civil War between the Trump states and the rational Blue ones I wonder who will get which name(s) and who will keep the old name of “United States of America” (clear misnomer there huh?) if anyone does?
Will they call themselves the Confederacy 2.0 or Trumpland or the Dead Heart (yoiking form Oz there..) or what?
@18 Manicula
I hope to never live to see it. But sure, paint that hellscape for me. Tell me what my tiny state will do up against a gigantic-ass “Trump” state other than get crushed into dust.
Your “rational Blue” states don’t all enjoy the geographical advantage of contiguity, which they would need to support each other (especially the smaller states!) in your hypothetical civil war.
Here’s a renaming I could support:
Tennessee moves to rename Nashville International Airport in Dolly Parton’s honor
cartomancer @ # 18 – I hadn’t looked at it that way before – thanks!
… infantilising childhood nickname he hated – “Caligula” – rather than his actual name Gaius …
Did he actually go by “Emperor Gaius” during his reign? I get the impression half the guys in Rome were named “Gaius”.
Can you shed any light on the veracity or lack thereof of the story of Emperor Whoever commandeering all available boats to rig up a horse-gallopable bridge to the Isle of Capri so he could honor/mock a fortune-teller’s sarcasm?
Pierce, cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_of_Catherine_the_Great#Death_while_having_sex_with_a_horse
(Posthumous vilification is the idea)
@ 44. Trumpist bad faith troll “beholder” :
Dude, this is the “hellscape” that YOU fucking created by your advocacy for Trump and his fascist tyranny. If you didn’t want that you shouldn’t have worked for years to inflict that Fascist dictator upon our world a second time. You have zero good options now thanks to the installation of your preferred dictator.
Nor do other vastly better, innocent and more ethical and rational people a large number of which you have already de facto killed.
Dunno. What is your state anyhow? Apart from denial obvious. You don’t sound too upset at the thought which, yet again, exposes you being a Trumpist – not that we don’t already know.
You think the Trumpists will win this Civil war? Remember how incredibly unintelligent, wilfully ignorant and self-destructive the Trumpists like you are.
Neither do all the red states notably Alaska. Geographical advantages aren’t all necessarily all they’re cut up to be esp in modern warfare.
(Note again folks the airquotes put by the disingenuous troll around “rational blue states.”)
Of course in war, everyone loses.
My personal preferred option would be the USoA’s military stepping in and removing the Trumpists followed by a major reset of the USoA’s Democracy. Problem is Trump has already appointed too many loyalists. OTOH, the navy especially is in a rightly mutinous mood now. Justifiably so. Plus Trump’s contempt for the good people there & continued war. All the traitor Trump states vs the actual USoA military? Yeah. I think and hope the Blue States will do the “crushing into dust” there. We’ll see.
Whatever happens now, far too much damage has been done and too many people killed and destruction occurred needlessly thanks to you and the others who failed to support kamala Harris when it mattered and would have saved lives and so much else. You “beholder” Trumpist troll have blood all over you and we all know it.
@ ^ Clarity fix – that’s :
Will there be breaking point even for the loyalists where they finally decide ENOUGH!!! Then revolt? Sure hope so.
”Tell me what my tiny state will do up against a gigantic-ass “Trump” state other than get crushed into dust.” – Disingenuous Trumpy troll “beholder”
Question is what would YOU do Trumpy troll to oppose the fascist take-over and which side are you supporting in such a likely Civil War? Oh, wait, don’t tell us you’ve already made it clear that you stand with the Fascist side & would help them oppress, destroy and murder others including people on this blog rather than opposing the Trump tyranny that you’ve already put so much effort into inflicting on us all.
.* Found out today that if you type “Kegsbreath” on wikipedia it automatically comes up with Hegseths page FWIW.
@48 StevoR
So lemme get this straight. Your preferred solution is for a military dictatorship, likely headed by Hegseth, almost certainly headed by MAGA brass, to be put in charge and to magically implement your solutions.
You are deeply unserious, delusional, or both.
This contains my asessment of things USoA~wise here :
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2026/06/28/infinite-thread-xxxx/comment-page-5/#comment-2310522
(Dóh! Wrong thread, mea culpa.)
Please point out where I’m wrong if i am. I’d rather be wrong by my own choice here but am I?
As predicted in #10, Google has caved and relabeled their maps as Lake America.
Apple lost the race to be the most servile of the mega-tech corporations.
Mapquest already stated that they weren’t going to bother.
Good for them.
I just hope that ICE/DHS doesn’t pay them a visit and shake them down for a “campaign contribution”.
@52 raven: Maybe for US only? Looking at it from UK, it’s still Lake Ontario.
Demon Flying Fox sings Truth and Defiance here – Canadian Resistance Army – Lake Ontario (Official Music Video) 2 & a half mins of musical power and fun.
Also via DW news Canadians laugh off a lake name change – but what about an ocean? 12 mins 45 secs length.
@50. The Trumpist Repug troll and liar here “beholder” : NO.
My preferred solution was KAMALA HARRIS & THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WINNING the final ever, possibly legitimate~ish Presidential ELECTION.
Since that’s now ruled out these are the less favoured but remaining alternatives thanks to the likes of you and the others who failed the most basic test of rationality by not backing Kamala Harris when they had the chance.
Obviously in my Military coup scenario, Kegsbreath along with the rest of the Trumpists would be removed. The Military rule would be for a short period whilst the Trumpists are removed and jailed. Under my Coup idea clearly all the Trumpists including Kegsbreath rot in jail from then on following treason and other trials for their many crimes. In Kegsbreath’s case multiple murders and war crimes including starting the Iran war, that reminder, would NOT have happened had Kamala become POTUS.
The military coup would, obvs, be by anti-Trumpist people (Duh!) and the military rule period would last as short a period of time as necessary to establish a new better more actual democracy with preferential voting, without the EC, etc.. USoA democracy would get a very badly needed reboot. A system that can let Trump take power is obviously a broken system that needs replacing.
Pure projection coming from the toxic radioactive waste that was deluded and unserious enough to “think” a vote for Jill Stein was anything other than a vote for “Genocides plural Don” Trump and, among other puppet-masters, Netanyahu and would do anything other than worsen and complete the genocide of Gazans. Gazan blood is already miles above the heads of those in the Abandon Biden-Harris crowd just as we warned them at the time – but, of course, you never actually cared about Gaza did you, Trumpist troll Beholder.
Oh and, of course, you, Trumpist troll offer no solution to the problem of the Trump tyranny that you helped create because you want Trump to remain in power don’t you.
Your lack of answers to the questions and failure to address the substance of my #48 -49 is, again, of course noted.
@281. Disingenuous Trumpist troll “beholder” :
So you thereby admit you are a Trump & Repug supporter yet again.
Do the Trump cult Repugs have to “earn” your vote? Clearly not, as you make it crystal clear here that they have it regardless.
Two and only two parties can actually win the USoA. One party is Fascist, the toher is not. You refuse to support the non-Fascist one.
Thereby you in effect, de facto, in reality, support the fascist one and that makes you absolutely evil.
“a successful military coup is the best chance the USoA still has.” — @221 StevoR
Authoritarian toadies always seem to believe they can use a military coup for their own purposes… – The Trump troll.
IOW, the troll wants Trump to stay in unchecked power and opposes a military coup that would remove him.
@ ^ was responding to the Trumpist troll’s attempt to pollute the Infinite thread here :
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2026/06/28/infinite-thread-xxxx/comment-page-5/#comment-2310691
Blockquote fix for clarity :
IOW, the cowardly disgusting troll “beholder” wants Trump to stay in unchecked power and opposes a military coup that would remove him. Which is what it will now take or, worse, another bloody Civil War killing thousands or more.
Perhaps the troll prefers the Civil War., We know which side they are on, after all, and that’s a common evil fantasy of theirs. Is that it Repug troll “beholder?”
Yes. Better yet if I’m right, and I am, will you agree to fuck off from here forever?
Oh and yet again, the Trumpy troll Beholders” lack of answering questions and tackling the actual substance of my comments is noted as is their refusal to even bother denying they are a Trump supporter these days.
Canada should start renaming lakes in the US “release the epstein files” etc. In response.
How much, exactly? I’m assuming you’ll be crediting my Paypal account, or one of my cryptocurrency wallets the equivalent in USD if you get this one wrong (The midterms happen).
lolno. You don’t run this site. Nice try, though.
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beholder, you allegedly use Paypal?
Heh. Well, better you than me.
I used it once, years ago. I was naive.
(Co-founded by Elon Musk, BTW, via his original X.com.
Unlike Tesla, where he bought his way in after its founding)
But sure. According to Paypal: (https://www.paypal.com/au/cshelp/article/how-do-i-send-money-help293)
It follows that you are either bullshitting or you are unaware of how this works.
Come on! Where is your recipient name, PayPal username, email address, or mobile number’?
Clearly, you can neither shut up nor put up.
(Quite feeble, no?)
I used to. You make some good points that I wouldn’t trust any of my identifying info with a certain commenter who has severe untreated mental illnesses and homicidal ideations about me.
I’d be willing to do a transfer of XMR, were this nothingburger to come to pass and StevoR has to, as you say, put up or shut up. That can all be arranged later, but I would like to know how much he’s willing to bet at least.
@62. Dishonest Trumpist Troll “beholder” hereafter DTTB for brevity’s sake :
How much are YOU willing to bet Trumpist troll? What stakes do you offer?
I have already made my suggestion in #58. If I win this bet :
You, DTTB, agree to never blight this blog with your presence again.
Oh and also, perhaps, make a personal apology to Kamala Harris and admit you were totally wrong to ever recommend voting against and undermining Kamala Harris. Which is something you should have the basic decency to do anyhow but, of course, being a dishonest Trump supporter you probly won’t do.
Are you DTTB willing to accept that if you lose?
Oh wait, seems not given your closing line in #60 ”lolno. You don’t run this site. Nice try, though. – DTTB.”
I have the courage of my convictions but you, DTTB, do not.
I have no idea what XMR even is. Is it some Crypto scam? Interesting to note that you say (#60) you use cryptocurrency wallets whatever the hell they are. Crypto is a scam and isn’t legitimate $$ in my view anyhow. Paypal and Crypto are kinda Trump supporter / scammer tells too I reckon. Cash is legitimate $$ but I see no way for you to get that to me or vice versa.
(Aside : the question was whether I’d bet money not whether I’d do so with you, dishonest Trumpist troll “beholder.”)
Just as you don’t trust me with your personal info I do NOT trust you with mine.
Is this sort of outright lying really okay here folks? PZ? I thought we frowned upon that sort of shit here?
No. I don’t have homicidal ideations about you Trumpist troll. I’ve stated what I’d like you to do & what I want to see happen here :
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2026/05/06/free-speechunless-you-criticize-the-gaza-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-2300306
So claiming I’m “homicidal” is just a disgusting lie – not that that’s surprising coming from the DTTB who has also proven themselves to be a coward and liar many times over.
Yes, I think the DTTB has done incalculable harm to the entire planet in their years long and ongoing campaign against the non-Fascist party and therefore in favour of the Fascist one. I think the DTTB is evil, duplicitous, contemptible and vile. But no, I don’t want them dead. That’d be too easy an out for them given we are all witnessing the results of their work to install Fascist dictatorship in the USoA.
It is yet another tell of Trumpism that the DTTB pretends that they are persecuted when others try to hold them accountable for their actions.
It is also ludicrous for them to think I am somehow a physical threat to them given we live on different continents and I don’t even know which state the DTTB lives in let alone their real name or other details beyond what they have said and done here. I can only presume based on what the DTTB has revealed here they have done other things in the meatworld to help their orange idol Trump.
One other point, my claim for what this bet would be is theoriginal statement :
(In #221 on the Infinite thread, quoted and cited in #58 above.)
Or, IOW, the bet is that the mid terms will NOT be genuine democratic elections.
We already know that the Trumpists are currently trying to rig them so, as I previously noted (#58), I am already correct about this. It is a bet that the DTTB has already lost.
StevoR, he imagines it is somehow secure and anonymous.
Here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324863990_An_Empirical_Analysis_of_Traceability_in_the_Monero_Blockchain
Geez, can Stevo at least be given a time out to calm down? I haven’t seen this level of batshit hatred since Morales used to write unhinged fanfic about me to PZ and call me Soylent Bog and similar like a tantruming schoolchild.
Yes Stevo. It’s sad that Democrats basically handed the election to Trump by putting forward “Hilary again but this time Black and smiley” instead of an actually progressive candidate. There are some signs they may have learned their lesson. But them botching the election is on them. Certainly not on voters. Don’t project your disappointment at fascist-enabler Harris onto innocent blog commenters.
Mano had a post a couple of months ago about the Democrats perhaps belatedly realising that to oppose fascism they may actually need to… not be fascist.
https://freethoughtblogs.com/singham/2026/07/06/the-democratic-party-establishment-is-rattled-by-the-progressive-surge/
See, but you didn’t say how much money you would pay if you lose. I will have to assume it’s zero, and that your performative outrage and textwalling is all for show. It’s nothing but rallying for your favorite sports team and railing on the opposing sports team for you, isn’t it?
State your loss conditions concisely and verifiably (I fully expect you to move the goalposts all over the place otherwise), and make an offer. I will respond with (probably) a smaller amount, because I’m perpetually broke, so you may choose to readjust to that.
@ ^.Dishonest Trump Troll beholder (DTTB for sake of brevity hereafter.)
Are you functionally illiterate? Have you no reading comprehension ability at all?
I don’t use Crypto scams or whatever the hell you suggested as currency. Give me your address details and I’ll send you physical cash in the mail IF I lose. Or don’t, your choice. You’ve already implied that you won’t do so. Put up or shut up.
No you do NOT have to make that or any other assumptions. You could read my actual words and think for once.
Your original question was ”Are you willing to bet money on that eventuality?” That eventuality being :
..that the mid terms will NOT be genuine democratic elections IF they go ahead..
I don’t have to make any bets with you and you have already revealed your utter cowardice and unwillingness to put anything on the line on your end.
Just as you run from the consequences and being held accountable for your own evil actions in supporting the fascist party namely the Repugs and arguing against Kamala and therefore for Trump in the shitty binary system the USoA has.
So Dishonest Trumpist Troll Beholder put your metaphorical money where your mouth is!
You lose this bet you agree to fuck off from here forever. Got the guts and so sure that The midterms will go ahead and be legitimate that you agree to that bet?
Won’t cost you a cent in money since you admit you are broke. (So broke you have to resort to crypto scam fake money apparently..) How’s your Trump presidency that you worked for working out for ya so far BTW? Clearly not that well.
What staggering projection from you DTTB.
That whole “sports teams” shit is your mindset not mine.
I consistently stated that the consequences of a Trump Fascist tyranny were too severe for everyone on this planet to risk and therefore people had to stop that the only democratic way they can by voting for the ONLY other party and candidate there actually was. I was right and you have dammed us all.
Oh & we can all notice here how performative your supposed claimed outrage over the Genocide in Gaza is post Trump’s election which is what you obvs clearly wanted.
Again, your projection there DTTB and, again, already done. Oh and you’ve already refused because of your typical cowardice.
You’re broke? Good. You’re certainly broken in so very many ways – by your own choice. You want to use that as your excuse? How pathetic. Oh and you want me to put more money on the line than you are willing to risk but you are unwilling to even take a bet that doesn’t cost you a thing financially. Telling ain’t it?
@ 66. Trumpist Troll’s Support Troll Silentbob : I read that linked blog post.
It does NOT say what you say it does.
People can go & read it for themselves as I did. Dunno if you actually read what you linked there – did you?
For starters the term “Fascist” isn’t used there at all.
Neoliberal NOT fascist.
Different things that are NOT equivalent of each other.
The Repugs are literally fascist. The Democratic is NOT and never has been.
The Democratic party can fairly be described as Neoliberal but it is NOT correct to call it fascist.
Claiming otherwise is a lie and claiming that Mano Singham said otherwise is a lie and a gross misrepresentation of his words too.
@ 65.Trump supporting troll’s support troll Silentbob
I am calm dude. Also, you still keep taking jibes at John Morales? Seriously dude, just drop your years long bullying campaign against him over sod all behind.
Also very rational and justifiable hatred towards some one who has dammed us all and made our planet so much incalculably worse than it needed to be.
Yes Stevo. It’s sad that Democrats basically handed the election to Trump by putting forward “Hilary again but this time Black and smiley” instead of an actually progressive candidate.
Repeating your repeatedly debunked lie here does NOT make it true. It just makes you look Trumpian and like the liar you are.
HRC actually won the election as very likely and certainly counting voter suppression did Kamala Harris. Kamala Haris also WAS a progressive candidate – she certainly got demoinise and described as extreme far left by the reichwing. What you said ther eis just laughably false.
No. No it is NOT. The voters in the USA had a binary choice. Fascist Trump or NOT fascist Kamal and they choose catastrophically poorly. That‘s on them and utterly counterproductive toxic klowns like Putin shill Stein & the troll you keep defending.
Kamala was NOT an enabler of fascism, liar.
The Dishonest Trumpist Troll Beholder here was, still is and is guilty as hell.
BTW Silentbob answered my questions for ya here?
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2026/08/11/this-is-what-happens-when-you-let-a-senile-fool-run-the-country/comment-page-1/#comment-2309411
Oh and have you apologised to chigau (違う) yet?
@68 StevoR
No. You’re lucky you’re getting a cryptocurrency wallet address.
Why would I agree to that? You don’t run this site.
What a vague proposition, loaded down with a weasely qualifier as only you can manage, Stevo. I do not accept the terms of a bet that is only manifest by your personal post-hoc vibes and feels about the results of an election. Keep it concise, and keep it verifiable by an external entity.
How about I state my loss condition instead? I will send a cryptocurrency payment in XMR of a value to be determined to StevoR’s wallet in the event that the November 2026 U.S. midterm elections are a perversion of democracy and, as a consequence, StevoR sends snail mail to every Democratic Party congressperson-elect who just won their seat, incumbent and newcomer alike, stating in no uncertain terms that you reject their election results and hold that their office is illegitimate and stolen, and calling for the people of the United States to overthrow them. Sign your name to it — this won’t be an anonymous mailer. I need photo evidence or a forwarded e-mail or similar showing that the letter was written and sent to every Democrat who stood for (re-)election and won in 2026.
Got the guts to do that? You should if you think the midterms won’t be free or fair.
I am proud of Kamala Harris BTW. Not disappointed by her She was – and is – a good person wrongly maligned by scum like you and your gutless won’t take a bet Trumpy troll mate “beholder”.
Kamala Harris did extraordinarily well given where she was starting from and the Democratic party is NOT to blame for the grotesquely poor judgement of badly educated misinformed USoAite voters manipulated by the Bothsiderist, Only Unicornist utterly counter-productive Abandon-Biden-Harris Klowns.
Nor is she at fault in any way because of the rigged USoAite political system and the likely cheating by fascist Felon Musk & the Repugs.
She deserved to be and should have been the second women POTUS after HRC and it is a tragedy for the world that the USoA has been too misogynist , racist and generally totally fucked up to vote for women as pretty much every major advanced society and culture has already done.
The USoA badly needs regime change . Pity the rest of our world can’t do that. Tragic for us all that the USA still matters so much.
Shame on YOU Trump Troll’s Support Troll Silentbob that YOU haven’t learnt your lesson long ago here.
That lesson being the lesson all USoAites should have long since learnt VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO ALWAYS! At this point anyone NOT doing that with the precedents and knowledge we have is just plain fucking evil and fascist by choice.
@ 71. Dishonest Trump Troll “beholder”, DTTB for sake of brevity hereafter.
I don’t use scam sites that’s your thing not mine, Trumpist troll. You can provide your details or fuck off – preferably the latter. There is no way in hell I am trusting any scam site details you send me.
Because that is the bet. Take it or leave it, cowardly Trump troll.
Also I never have claimed to run this site not will I.
The terms of the bet are :
That the mid terms will NOT be genuine democratic elections.
That has no weasely qualifier and is NOT vague at all.
No. How about you admit you don’t have the guts to take the bet because you know you are actually wrong?
That’s the deal Trumpist Troll”beholder”. Take it or leave it.
BTW. How do you think Gaza is going right now under Multiple Genocides Don Trump? Have you even bothered to look since Trump won?