Another post from my old blog, from November 28, 2013. I’m very curious if anyone else feels similarly… note that there’s some major editing (consisting of a section being moved up) to make this flow a bit better, as well as an addition.

I remember back when Batfans were getting amped up for The Dark Knight Rises. It was an exciting time. So many rumors and theories and tantalizing glimpses and…

The argument over spoilers gets very heated in pretty much every fandom ever. I think most forums dedicated to a TV show, a character, a book series, an author, a movie franchise, or a comic series has a subforum dedicated to spoilers, and often that forum will have at least one thread dedicated simply to compiling spoilers into one place for easy reference. These same forums will also contain a subforum dedicated to the same discussions about future work, but where spoilers are simply not allowed. And furthermore, even in a spoiler subforum, you still have to provide huge warnings and find a way to hide the spoilers so that people who may want to be surprised don’t have to read those spoilers.

Now, this seems like a great compromise where everyone gets what they want, right? People who enjoy having spoilers get them, and people who hate spoilers are free to avoid them.

This seems perfectly reasonable, doesn’t it?

Actually, the debate over spoilers rages on even in subforums dedicated to providing spoilers.

It was amazing, over on Superhero Hype, before TDKR was released, how many threads in the spoiler subforums devolved into a flame-war over whether or not spoilers are a good thing. Even in threads and subforums dedicated to spoilers, people still complained about spoilers and started arguments with those who wanted the spoilers and demonized those who provided the spoilers. And things devolved as those of us who like having spoilers and those who like providing spoilers had to go on the defensive, yet again, and explain why we’re there in the first place and that humans are not a monolith and do not all think alike.

I will never understand it… there were people, taking it upon themselves to go in to a spoilers subforum, read the spoilers, and then step up onto a high horse and write long, tedious posts about how immoral and evil spoilers are, how immoral those who leak spoilers are, and how sorry and pathetic and lacking in self-control those of us who read and enjoy the spoilers are. I find this both hypocritical (what are you doing in the spoiler subforum in the first place?) and pathetic. IMO, it says a lot more about them than it does about all those involved in leaking and reading spoilers.

You see… for me, the enjoyment of a film, TV show, book, comic, etc comes not from the surprise, but from the execution. I could read the complete, finished script of a film, and it still would not be enough, because even then, I could only imagine how I would film it. My enjoyment of that film would then come from seeing how they executed it. What did they do that I would have done? What did they do that I wouldn’t have done? I’m more interested in execution (as well as good acting, a good story/plot, and a good script) than in being surprised.

To be frank, I hate the anti-spoilers brigade. If you’re wondering why, it’s very simple: because they are almost always “morally superior” to those of us who actually like spoilers. They get very self-righteous, hand-wringing over what the creators might think of such things being leaked, and bashing those of us who eat that stuff up for enjoying it.

Because here’s the thing… just because you don’t like spoilers doesn’t mean everybody doesn’t, because… guess what…





Ask anybody who’s ever gotten me a gift, for my birthday or for holidays. I love getting presents, but I hate not knowing what they are before-hand. I don’t entirely know why. I’ve never really thought about it. But I love to know. Being surprised is not something I actually think is fun. It actually adds stress to my life. People who insist on surprising me really just make me that much less healthy and that much more anxious.

Addendum: A point I want to bring up, as an analogue, is magic. I love magic tricks, but it’s not the tricks themselves that interest me… it’s how they’re done. I have actually purchased tricks from Ellusionist (basically the Amazon.com of magic tricks) not so much to perform them (though I’ve certainly tried… in a mirror), but to see how they’re done.

One of the most amazing tricks I’ve ever seen goes like this:

You take a teapot or bottle, and ask an audience member if they’re thirsty, and what they want. They tell you, you grab a glass, and pour it for them. You then take that same teapot and ask another audience member what they want. It could be a entirely different drink, but it doesn’t matter. You grab a glass, and pour their drink into their glass. Of course, once you know the trick, you realize you can’t pour any drink, but it’s still an amazing effect regardless.

Obviously this plays directly into my love of spoilers. I spoiled myself for books 6 and 7 of Harry Potter, I spoiled myself for TDKR, I am now slowly spoiling myself for the Doctor Who Christmas Special (I missed out on most of the spoilers for the 50th anniversary… I didn’t even know Tom Baker would make an appearance, and as much as I enjoyed that [it was beyond awesome], I would’ve liked to have known beforehand, just so I could anticipate it), and I fully plan on spoiling myself for the upcoming Superman/Batman film and the whole Justice League universe films that will inevitably spawn from that. And I am honestly okay with this. I don’t want to be surprised.

Another addendum: This was written before Peter Capaldi took over as the Doctor from Matt Smith. As a result, I didn’t talk about spoiling myself for his first series, so here it is:

The scripts for the first five episodes of Capaldi’s first season as the Doctor leaked. I downloaded and read all five of them. And yes, I still watched each episode when they aired. Interestingly, when I read the scripts, two of them I hated (the first episode and Time Heist), and the rest I loved. When I actually watched the episodes, however, Time Heist, my least favorite script, turned out to be my most favorite of those first five episodes, while the first episode surprised me with the execution. I still enjoyed the other three, but, admittedly, I wasn’t as impressed with the execution.

I think spoilers serve a similar purpose to the old adage “try before you buy”.

With guitars, for example, you can’t really just buy a guitar online, because you need to play guitars first and find out which one suits you. Guitars, like all musical instruments, are not just tools, but extensions of the self. If I believed in actual souls, I’d say that the guitar you choose should be a physical manifestation of your soul. But regardless, it should complement you and your music.

So “spoiling” yourself over how a guitar plays actually saves you money, because it means you pick the guitar that’s best for you.

And yes… when you spoil some sort of work not-yet-released, you are basically operating on the same principle. Obviously, a TV Show isn’t meant to be an extension of your soul, but it’s okay to go in knowing that you’ll enjoy it.

For me, spoiling an upcoming movie, TV show, or book that’s part of something I normally enjoy allows me to save time and money:

I knew way ahead of time that I would not enjoy books 6 and 7 of Harry Potter (despite my continued love for books 1-5). So I saved the money I would have spent buying the books. I was fully aware that I would love The Dark Knight Returns (sadly, my opinion of the movie has dropped a lot since I first saw it in theaters, largely thanks to so many subsequent viewings and having so much time to think about it… though I still like it, and the trilogy is still my trilogy), so I had no problem spending the money I did on five total movie tickets (two for real Imax) and the special edition Blu-Ray release (and I’ll soon be spending even more money on the special edition Blu-Ray box set of the entire trilogy).

I’m operating under this exact same principle yet again for the Doctor Who Christmas special.

But Nathan, you say, perplexed, “don’t the trailers and teasers and such serve that same purpose?

Yes, but trailers and teasers can be flawed. I have seen amazing trailers for movies that ultimately sucked, and horrible trailers for movies that were wonderful. Teasers and trailers can be misleading and, at least in my experience, are ultimately untrustworthy.

Of course, spoilers come with an even worse risk: you don’t really know if what you’re reading is true until the show or movie or book is released.

However, you can judge the veracity of someone by his or her track record. I have a tendency to believe spoilers posted by someone who’s been right about things in the past. For example: most of the spoilers that were in fact accurate about TDKR were largely posted by people who also posted accurate spoilers for The Dark Knight and Batman Begins. Others who are seekers will often vouch for those with a great track record as well, so if you’re new to looking for spoilers, definitely read those spoilers posted by people who seem to be trusted by the rest of the community. In this case, a forum member who’s trusted by the majority of other forum members is likely trustworthy, and what they’re posting is probably at least partially accurate.

To wrap up…

So please don’t try to push me into your box. In return, I won’t try to push you into mine. Let’s both enjoy our obsessions in our own ways. Because to be completely honest, if you’re a Whovian and/or a Batfan, then I don’t care whether or not you enjoy spoilers. I just care that we have something in common that we can talk about.


  1. says

    I enjoy spoilers myself. And sometimes, I find them necessary in the same way you do -- I did not buy Pratchett’s last, because he killed off my fave character, and I’m still pissy about that.

    It’s so damn easy to avoid spoilers, I’ve never understood the fuss.

  2. chigau (違う) says

    I read LotR something like forty times before the movies came out.
    I would have appreciated a few spoilers about what was done to some of the characters and the story-line.

  3. blf says

    Apropos of knowing in advance the “spoiler”, a hilarious thing (for the audience) happened in University. For one of the Friday lunch “concerts” the student union hired a magician. This was a touch audience, undergrad and graduate STEM students (mostly), and fair credit to him and his assistant, they usually succeeded in their illusions. With one spectacular exception: The magician tried to construct a magic square (of odd order, as I now recall), presumably he thought that would go down well with a technologically / mathematically-minded audience.

    What he overlooked was a significant fraction of the audience knew how to construct a magic square, and began shouting out instructions almost from the get-go. The poor guy was so flustered he made a mistake — so at the end he got a rousing yell “IT’S WRONG!”

    The team did have some really good acts. My memory is they got a standing ovation for a political-commentary juggling act — this was during Ronaddled Raygun’s regime — where the balls (mostly, with a few clubs and other items at times) represented “policies”, and the slight-of-hand the, ah, slight-of-hand tricks of the thugs (Republicans) of the day… I don’t recall anything specific now, but some of it was not-unlike saying “higher taxes on the rich” throwing several balls high in the air to disappear “not affecting the poor” as a big club descends and Bonks! him on the head.

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