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   Glen Davidson

   13 February 2012 at 1:23 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   As soon as they promise to recall Ken Ham back to Australia, they’ll receive an overwhelming amount of donated funds.

   Glen Davidson

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   Ibis3, denizen of a spiteful ghetto

   13 February 2012 at 1:31 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   Potential donors & supporters should be aware that FBB does give some of their money to “secular” projects carried out by religious charities.

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   ringo

   13 February 2012 at 2:12 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   From what I’ve read, you can choose which of the charites they support to donate to if you don’t want your money to go to a religious group.

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   Ibis3, denizen of a spiteful ghetto

   13 February 2012 at 2:20 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   @ringo

   True, but I’m sure there are some people who would rather give to secular charities directly rather than support a foundation that gives money to “sponsor superstitious dogma” even if their own money would be diverted elsewhere. I just think it’s fair to be up front about it and let people make an informed choice.

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   aussieseculardad

   13 February 2012 at 3:11 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   @Ibis3, denizen of a spiteful ghetto

   The category you’re referring to is called ‘Challenge the Gap’.

   In the words of Dale McGowan (Founder of the American FBB):

   Challenge the Gap isn’t about supporting the religious. It’s about supporting the many other humanists who wish to express their humanism in this way. Those humanists have often been marginalised in our movement as we build one organisation after another that serves only one kind of nontheist. The flexible donation model of Foundation Beyond Belief allows nontheists of every stripe to express their humanism as they see fit, not as we see fit. That’s freethought at its best, and we wouldn’t have it any other way.

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   aussieseculardad

   13 February 2012 at 3:12 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   Full disclosure: I’m the guy setting up the Aussie version.

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   4004bc

   13 February 2012 at 3:50 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   Done.

   The sooner we break the paradigm that it is the religious that run the charity world, the sooner there can be charitable help without the need to “save” people at the same time…

   As for sending Ken Ham back to Oz (@Glen Davidson), be nice or we will hatch and export another one! I believe the 2.0 version will be even more hug-able, and may even have basic logic skills as well.

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   kristopherspencer

   13 February 2012 at 4:30 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   I’m an anti-theist, but even I think it’s pretty fucking stupid to not support an organization because they allow you to give your money to religious charities that do purely secular work.

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   thedancingkid

   13 February 2012 at 4:57 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

   I apologize for going off topic twice in one day, but nothing much is being said about Denzel Washington’s bigoted comments about atheists last week on “Today with Matt Lauer.

   Talking about how he prepared for the role he plays in his latest film “Safe House,” Washington said this:

   Washington: Actually, I read this book, “The Sociopath Next Door,” and that was like my bible. The traits of a sociopath are no conscience, no sense of remore, usually atheist

   http://todayentertainment.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/08/10350591-denzel-washington-dips-into-sociopath-mindset-for-safe-house

   And later that same day on “The Late Show with David Letterman” there was this:

   Washington: I’m sociopath. I play a … he’s an atheist, he’s a traitor. He wants to dominate everyone. He’s sick, he has no conscience, no remorse.

   Letterman: Amoral.

   Washington: Thank you. He’s that. He’d just as soon kill you as have lunch with you.

   
   

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    thedancingkid

    13 February 2012 at 5:02 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

    I goofed above. The link for Washington on “Today” is:

    http://todayentertainment.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/08/10350591-denzel-washington-dips-into-sociopath-mindset-for-safe-house

    And for Letterman it’s:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYKFm7bsPwY

    I didn’t mean to bold that entire section either. Regrets.

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    palefury

    13 February 2012 at 5:44 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

    Yay!
    I am so excited FBB is coming to Australia – I just moved to Sydney and would love to volunteer when it is all set up.
    When do you think that will be aussieseculardad? and will there be a chapter in Sydney? I checked out the website and not much info there yet.

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    catdog

    13 February 2012 at 5:48 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

    > Full disclosure: I’m the guy setting up the Aussie version.

    Nicely done. I await. :)

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    aussieseculardad

    13 February 2012 at 5:54 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

    @palefury

    We’re a national organisation with members spread around the country. When we go live, it will be simultaneously around the country. I hope to be live on April 1st, though there’s a strong chance that it won’t be until July 1st. I hope to generate some serious word-of-mouth through the Global Atheist Convention in Melbourne, though I’m open to ideas on precisely how to do that.

    I think it’s great if you want to help out. Besides the collection and disbursement of donations, we will also have a program called Volunteers Beyond Belief. This will allow teams from around Australia to join up under the VBB banner to do humanist volunteer work. If you know others in Sydney who are interested in this, perhaps you can start a Sydney team for us!

    In the long run, I’d love to see us expand into areas traditionally run by churches, such as soup kitchens and the like. But right now, our legal status is such that we can pass donations onto certain groups and we can organise volunteers to operate in our name, but we cannot funnel donations directly to those volunteer efforts. I hope to tackle that legal hurtle once we’ve tackled the hurtle of getting set up in the first place.

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    Ibis3, denizen of a spiteful ghetto

    13 February 2012 at 7:35 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

    Full disclosure: Obviously, I disagree with Dale McGowan.

    But it’s not my intention to argue the point here. I just don’t want people to get the wrong idea about FBB and donate money to it when, if they knew about “Challenge the Gap”, they would opt out.