Do these things have oars?
A Norwegian fuel company is refusing to fuel US Navy vessels. I can’t blame them.
A petrol giant in Norway has announced a ban on fuel sales to all US forces following Donald Trump’s treatment of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House, it has been reported.
Norwegian firm Haltbakk Bunkers announced it will stop providing fuel to all American forces in Norway as it declared “No fuel to Americans!”. The firm posted on social media to declare its support for Zelensky as it dealt a hammer blow to US President Trump following the heated spat televised from the Oval Office.
It said: “We have today been witnesses to the biggest s***how ever presented “live on tv” by the current American president and his vice president. Huge credit to the president of Ukraine restraining himself and for keeping calm even though USA put on a backstabbing tv show. It made us sick. Short and sweet. As a result, we have decided to immediate STOP as fuel provider to American forces in Norway and their ships calling Norwegian ports.
“No Fuel to Americans! We encourage all Norwegians and Europeans to follow our example. SLAVA UKRAINA”
They also refuse to fuel Russian ships.
This is how Donald Trump weakens the US military, by poisoning our alliances.
… so far.
Xpost from previous thread this morning.
I’m glad someone is figuring it out.
Now you just have to tell your elected governments that this is the case.
The rest of the world is going to have to band together and deal with the mindless giant that the USA has become. We are the modern day Godzilla or King Kong. Collectively, the EU, Canada, Mexico, Australia, Japan, etc.. are equal to the USA or even stronger.
BTW, Trump is a bully.
If you confront him directly, face to face, a lot of the time he will back down.
If you don’t confront him, he will run right over you.
Bravo, Norway!
PZ – This is how Donald Trump weakens the US military, by poisoning our alliances.
Donald Trump is in collusion with Putin. Difficult to understand why so many smart people haven’t done anything about this sooner. Fuck diplomacy, that is not something Trump and Putin will allow to stop them. Europe will need to separate themselves from any U.S. support. For the next four years they will need to be on their own. I do not think it is out of the realm of possibilities that Trump would help Putin with weapons, intelligence and personnel if a war between Europe and Russia broke out.
If international agreements are subject to cancellation with the every new administration, will any nation trust America’s word in the future? What’s the point of making treaties with America if they can be cancelled without consultation every four years? Even if the MAGAs take a thumping in the next midterms, or even if by some miracle the Democrats prevail in 2028, the harm has been done. This isn’t just an issue for the current moment, either. The day will come when the USA will find itself needing allies. After being bullied, hectored, insulted, and threatened, who will rush to our side now?
I’ve been saying since November that 100 years from now, historians around the world will look back on the election of Donald Trump as the point when the United States failed as a nation.
I’ve seen a lot of discussion that the USA will probably leave NATO.
It’s likely.
And that NATO probably won’t survive without the USA.
I don’t see why that should be the case at all.
.1. The EU has a huge GDP, 15% of the world’s total. Russia’s GDP is small at 1.9% of the world’s total.
.2. More to the point, Europe might need NATO more than ever.
So that they can band together and oppose the USA.
.3. They won’t be alone here.
The USA is setting themselves up to wreck the entire rest of the world except for Russia and maybe Hungary.
The EU will be joined by Canada and Mexico.
They might also find allies everywhere else in the world, Australia, Japan, Asia, Africa.
.4. The EU and NATO will also have a lot of allies in the USA.
At least half and maybe most Americans don’t look at Europe and NATO as our new enemies.
The rest of the world isn’t facing a mindless and malevolent giant of 346 million people.
It’s more like a mindless and malevolent giant of 173 million people while the other 173 million half of the population tries to get it to sit down and act normally.
Good for Haltbakk Bunkers, but the Norwegian government says it will keep supplying fuel to US forces in Norway.
https://www.reuters.com/world/norway-says-it-will-keep-supplying-fuel-us-navy-after-company-calls-boycott-2025-03-02/
If/when Russia starts killing Europeans (Italians, Polish, French, Germans, etc.) I wonder how the MAGA descendants from those countries will feel about Trump’s response. Any help he provides Europe will be cosmetic.
The only positive is Putin wants to win any war without having to engage in combat. He will try to divide and conquer before he sends bombs and troops to war in Europe. Enter Trump and the U.S. breaking NATO. Europe has to realize sooner rather than later they will be going it alone. Hope they are preparing behind the scenes.
If another 9/11 happens, we’re in it alone this time and rightfully so.
Bah. You’re just worried this will escalate into a full lutefisk-embargo.
I’ve often wished that I could afford to move to Scandinavia (although they probably wouldn’t want me).
Well, it seems that starting more or less from the 2000s, the US have been willing to sacrifice all the soft power accumulated in the previous decades.
There was a conscious effort to present the country as something admirable, aspirational, above all solid and reliable.
Even the CIA was in it! To my amused amazement, I read just recently that in the 60s there was a budget line from Langley dedicated to the financing of art shows in Europe, where American art was showcased. And quite successful they were.
That’s disappearing at a furious rate: many Americans seem to have little contact with the world at large, so they tend to forget how important a good reputation abroad can be. Particularly when you want to sell stuff.
Commerce of discretionary items is going to suffer a lot… who’s going to buy a Tesla now? Neonazis? Kind of a restricted customer base.
After reading this morning’s HCR letter I found myself thinking how long it would be before other countries started implemented economic sanctions against the US. While this isn’t necessarily economic in scope, I can see how they won’t be far behind.
outis @ # 13: … in the 60s there was a budget line from Langley dedicated to the financing of art shows in Europe…
The Cold War included a culture war, with artists (writers in particular) recruited on both sides to present appealing faces for their respective nations/blocs. Starting in the ’50s, this included a stylistic battle between “socialist realism” and “modern” (abstract, mostly) art (ironically resisted by mostly-conservative Americans, but forced upon them by a well-subsidized “elite”).
See Hugh Wilford’s The Mighty Wurlitzer: How the CIA Played America and Robin Winks’s Cloak and Gown: Scholars in the Secret War, 1939-1961 if curious.
At least one European leader gets it.
Ms. Kaja Kallas: “Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge”.
Thanks Captain Obvious.
If the EU doesn’t lead the free world, who will?
It isn’t going to be the USA, which has decided to oppose the free world.
The Free World needs to have a few summit meetings, form an alliance, and get on with their lives without us.
It won’t be that hard.
Trump, Musk, and the GOP will be busy trying to oppress the other half of the US population. With 173 or so million people that oppose them, it isn’t going to be easy for them.
Kaja Kallas is the former Prime Minister of Estonia.
Estonians know all about what it is like living under a dictatorship, having been a captive nation of the old Russian USSR empire.
I can only hope that the people in the US quickly regret voting Trump and Vance into office, and hold the Republican Party responsible for the greatest shitshow since WWII.
@ Pierce R. Butler: many thanks for those titles, I’ll seek them out with and for pleasure.
Analysis:
Raven @16
A summit has already happened, in the UK today, including the leaders of many European countires and Canada, but notably not the likes of Orban. It was planned because of doubts the Trump presidency, but obviously got more important because of the fiasco on Friday. It means that the Trump/Vance meeting with Zelensky was bad timing on Trump’s part, because it left no room for doubt about the challenges now faced.
Oh missed out that it was about defence and that Starmer is still saying the US should be involved in peace talks, but I suspect he’s doing so with a full understanding of the reality of the Trump regime’s perfidy.
John Morales @19: I thought that was an informative video that you linked to. Where can I find others by the same guy?
What would be really great (but highly unlikely) would be if various countries that are hosting US nuclear weapons (e.g: Germany, The UK, Australia[?], Turkey, etc. would say “take them home.” The US has been assuring that multiple nations are targets, as a way of decreasing the likelihood that a first strike would be successful. Never mind that the ballistic missile submarines already far more than fill that role. Also, since Turnip appears to be completely comfortable with going back on treaties and “re-negotiating” them it might be time for nations that host a US military base, to start re-negotiating the price.
By the way, there are several powers (notably, South Korea, Japan and Germany) that are probably within a short stone’s throw from being able to field nuclear weapons of their own, which are not under US command/control. That would be both a nightmare scenario for the US and a nightmare scenario for Russia.
I hope that Turnip’s love affair with his master, Putin, results in the US face-punching its empire. Diplomatically, that has already happened – the US’ ability to claim “we are the good guys” is rapidly transitioning to “we are the nuclear-armed Beverly Hillbillies.” In my fantasy world (<-not going to happen) NATO would use this opportunity to dissolve, and re-form a protective alliance based on Euro-zone trade defense. And, since I’m fantasizing, the UN could dissolve itself on the grounds that Israel has demonstrated the fruitlessness of an advisory international body.
Bill, https://www.youtube.com/@PerunAU/videos
(They are all around 1 hour of powerpoint)
I’m in Europe, I’m not yet panicking about the US pulling out of NATO. Even if they do, it’s clear that European countries are planning precautions, just in case. But I don’t think Trump & team have realized just how intertwined NATO security forces have already become. There is a large exchange of intelligence, there are more than 60k US military stationed across Europe, there are multiple large (mostly US controlled) military air fields across the continent, and there are an estimated 100 US nukes stored here as well.
I don’t hold it impossible that the current US administration will pull everything (they’re uniquely stupid, or have decided to hand everything including themselves over to their once-sworn enemy), but there should be many smarter people in the Pentagon and the army saying “wait a minute” before giving up their European launchpad of military power that is so much closer to potential adversarial nations and areas of conflict, excuse me, interest.
As for Russia – it has been on its back since the start of the Ukraine war, and has made a complete fool of itself. Everyone feared its hyper tech ballistic capabilities. You know, like in the cold war? But look at the map what they have conquered after 3 years of intense failed battle, where villages are taken at excessive casualty count? In an area that was somewhat pro-Russia to begin with, even.
Trump threw Putin a lifeline, not a victory. It will take Russia years to rebuild a capable army to launch any serious attack into Europe, insofar ordinary pre-21th century land-grabs still work in our age. If anything, the Russia incursion into Ukraine has proven that 21st wars are no longer fought that way. I worry about hybrid warfare (undermining vital infrastructure, influencing public opinion) more.
Europe has the means, the industry, and the money, to outclass Russia. Political alignment is an issue within a body of 28+ countries, but Trump surely put it on the agenda.
I know, I know – Europe has benefited being under the US safety umbrella of the NATO for all this time. I grew up with it, boy was the cold war fun. I do wonder if Trump and friends realize that NATO’s article 5 was only ever invoked once in its lifetime. Guess by who. And who all came to their aid.
I realize most Americans look down on Europe, thinking it’s unable to cater for itself. We’re lazy, holiday celebrating, hardly working lazy lowlifes, right? Both military and economically. I’ll grant this: I hate how nobody got the message after Trump’s first term. Our governments did not take precautions, hoping that saner minds would prevail in the US. They naively thought it obvious to anyone that being member of the largest military alliance that ever existed is a good thing. But now we should keep in mind that US governments flip-flop between somewhat sensible governments and, well, extortionist mobsters.
They’re figuring it out. It will be messy and complex. But, in a somewhat unexpected result, they might actually succeed.
I wish. If that were true it would make him possibly the greatest president in my lifetime.
Don’t worry, I’m sure Trump has plenty more military adventurism and brinkmanship in service of American hegemonic ambition in store for us, specifically with regards to China and Iran.
Hey Democrats, is it too much to ask to try outflanking him on anti-war sensibilities for a change? Y’know, not posturing as the even more blood-drenched war hawks? I know the answer to that, unfortunately, but if you want your party to win in 2028 you should be asking yourselves that.
“I wish. If that were true it would make him possibly the greatest president in my lifetime.”
You do get they’ve sent a great many aged munitions that would have cost money for them to dispose of otherwise, no?
(Relax. I know. No)
Are you seriously so fucking incompetent that you can’t distinguish between military and political adventurism and brinkmanship? Or that it’s in the service of “America”, rather than of Trump himself?
(Relax. I know. Yes indeedy)
He’s anti-war every bit as much as fucking Putin is.
The idea is that Ukraine surrenders all the territory Russia claims, not just what it’s “conquered”.
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BTW, do you even have any idea of how many people from the “annexed” Ukraine territories were forcibly put into the armed forces and then killed? Go on, give it to me to the nearest 10,000.
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FFS. Do you imagine your stupid gaslighting works here?
You have specifically and unironically stated that the Democratic Party is the very worst, and that one should vote for anyone other than their candidates.
Weak-ass fucking attempted propaganda, right there.
Might have worked once upon a time, before you lost every little shred of credibility.
[Let’s not forget the stolen Ukrainian children]
Here: Invisible Losses: Tens of thousands fighting for Russia are dying unnoticed on the frontline in Ukraine
The submarine in the picture is, I believe, a US nuclear attack sub, i.e.: a sub hunter. Just the kind of thing I am sure the Russians are thrilled to know is in the waters up by Norway.
Like all US attack subs, it will be carrying a few cruise missiles and nuclear warheads for them. Especially right now, in that particular place. US allies should think about what’s going on – you’ve got a prime target for a Russian strike, sitting there in your harbor, with a bunch of highly enriched uranium keeping it warm, and some balls of plutonium in the special weapons locker. Does anyone in their right mind want that in their territorial waters?
Every US ally should stop playing the “pretend” game and ignoring the fact that the US has nuclear weapons stationed all over the fucking planet. Here’s a hint: charge them a whole lot of rent extra. Remember when the B-52 crashed at Thule and a big chunk of Greenland was irradiated? And there’s still a plutonium core, somewhere down there, under the ice of North Star Bay. What did that little clean-up cost? What kind of environmental damage did it do? Does the US plan, from the 1960s, to build an under-the-ice base on Greenland have anything to do with why Turnip wants that real estate? There’s still a nuclear thermoelectric generator under the ice at Camp Century on Greenland – do you think the US wants that land so they can clean it up? Fat fucking chance.
The US has been playing a global game of “hide da salami” with nuclear weapons for a very long time, in contravention of all the non-proliferation treaties we wrote. There are US nukes in Turkey (probably still), South Korea, Iceland (probably not any more), Rammstein AFB in Germany (definitely) the UK (under a non-proliferation-like rotating loan program involving MIRV’d Polaris systems) and who knows where all else. One thing for sure that is going to happen is that nations that are close to being able to kick out a bomb program (Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan?) are going to look at how the US is fucking over its own European allies and “the lord’s our shepherd says the psalm, but just in case, we’d better get a bomb.” US stupidity and instransigence is about to make the world a much more dangerous place. Remember how North Korea wasn’t going to dream of daring to think about making a nuke? How’d that work out, USA? Gadhaffi’s last breath was probably to curse himself for shutting down his program in return for a US promise not to attack. And people seem to be forgetting that the US pledge to Ukraine specifically was “if you guys are really good bois and give up your nukes, we will protect you.”
The four riders are approaching, and the one named War is wearing a clown suit.
@26. beholder : is still spewing their anti -democratic worse than useless crap here I see.
False premise there. The Democratric party already outflanks the Trump cult party being more anti-war than them and doesn’t posture as and are not “blood-drenched war hawks” unlike the Trumpists. Despite what the likes of our Tankie Troll here seems to very erroneously believe.
Which party is your party beholder and what do you want them to do?
Is your party the Trump one – the one you actually helped put in power here? Again, you happy about the results and the suffering and damage your choice has caused so many others? You never did answer that.
Or is it another different party and, if so which one and what real, actual use are they?
PS. World Wildlife Day today folks. Tangential but FYI yáll.
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2025/01/03/infinite-thread-xxxiv/comment-page-6/#comment-2256448
@31
The present Ukraine press cycle is about the Democrats trying to outflank Trump on the right — on being more of a warmonger than he is. Remember when the warmongers lost their minds about Biden pulling U.S. troops out of Afghanistan? Remember how that made Biden look good and it made his critics look insane? You’re doing the same service for Trump, and Republican strategists not in thrall of the MIC are congratulating you on your spectacular own goal.
Democrats have successfully cast off any pesky anti-interventionist liberals from the Clinton and Bush eras and rebranded themselves as the pro-war party. It’s not hard to be more anti-war than Trump, but it would require your candidates to publicly denounce the warmongering record of previous Democratic presidents and run against it, something Democrats are too cultishly devoted to even attempt because they are petrified of appearing disloyal to the party hierarchy.
Republicans are finally talking about NATO being a dangerous cold war relic and getting rid of it. This should have been a liberal party plank in the 1990s. Imagine if we humiliated Netanyahu the same way Trump humiliated Zelensky, told Israel to go fuck itself for a change. Imagine campaigning on not giving NATO or Israel or Saudi Arabia or South Korea or Taiwan or Al Qaeda in Syria another shred of military assistance. Imagine campaigning on closing all our overseas U.S. military bases. That’s how to outflank Trump from the left — that’s how to expose Trump’s fraudulent anti-war cred (and it’s how to drive all the pro-Israel tools like StevoR away from the party). It’s a win-win, which is why I’m convinced the Democrats will never attempt it. You guys are more comfortable losing to Trump than you are winning with a leftist.
The very opposite of the truth.
Told you already; peace is not the same as contemptible surrender.
Everything else is equally false.
And you are a true troll.
“26 Feb 2022 — “The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride,” Zelensky told the US”
(CNN)
That hasn’t changed.
Why they would surrender now, after 3 years, when Russia has maybe another year before it gets to the point where it’s a failed State?
Bah.
But sure. Supporting a democratic nation invaded by a much larger foe that breached its promises and treaties is being warlike.
Splitting its resources with the invader and trying to force the nation to surrender to the conquest, that’s peaceful.
(Such stupid inversion of the truth! I have Beh3ld it)
How fucking stupid is that, eh?
NATO was (well, is, but that shan’t last) rather profitable thing from the USA’s perspective.
So was USAID.
They were more than just names on a plaque; they were a form of soft power, and of leverage, and of economic push. The soft hegemony the USA established after WW2 being the one industralialised country that was not devastated. Influence.
So stupid it is to call that a relic; might as well have noted you know zero about it and how it works and how grand strategy is made and how there’s a synergy by members and the rest of it.
Yeah, in the (very) short term, the USA can bully its ostensible allies.
It will lose much thereby, but sure, Trump and Putin (and one commenter here) want to go back to the days of Great Power Politics.
(You know, drawing lines on a map, gunboat diplomacy, whatnot)
And, of course this proposed appeasement and cringy surrender will encourage any nation that wants to invade its neighbour.
Because that’s how pro-peace works, in fucking Bizarro Land where the Beholder comes from.
@ Morales
Dude, the democratically elected government was overthrown in a revolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
It’s unprovable, but very likely, the revolution was orchestrated by NATO. So the “much larger foe”, in reality, would be NATO.
Thanks for confirming how utterly insincere you have always been about “misnyming” dickhead.
Nothing about the topic, eh?
I take this opportunity to note that perhaps Taiwan is a tad worried about the precedents now being set.
But those chip forges, they won’t be there is they actually get conquered.
(Taiwan has become the power it is because of its people and its industry, not because of its great vastness and its easily-exportable natural resources)
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BTW, you are making a most basic logical error; I did not say that the basis upon which I executed that technique was unique to you. Sufficient, sure. But other possibilities exist, though your obvious obsession precludes you from imagining it’s all about you.
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Point being, the USA had better get its shit together, or it will lose a shitload of soft power.
Has already lost that, but the economics of it will come roosting home (yeah, I know, I know, you keep pretending I’m hyperliteral despite my many allusions and subtextual clues) in the not-too-distant future.
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One irony is that the EU was becoming dependent on Russian gas for very cheap energy, and since the war began, the USA has profited very greatly from gas sales to the EU (and the UK, but whatever).
Now, well… Once bitten, twice shy.
(Very literal, of the hyper variety, am I)
PS — can’t let this go.
Yeah. The Russian proxy got kicked out by patriots, so Russia invaded Crimea.
for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrainian_War)
Why are the Kremlin’s whores like beholder and silentbob still allowed to spread their lies here?
I am a pacifist, always have been, and I hate it how being ‘anti-war’ has become ‘betray an ally and hand him over to some dictator’. That has never been what pacifism is about until the conservative right went all 1984.
(https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c981p3dxnent)
I think what Morales is saying about the erosion of soft power is important. That coupled with the fragmentation thing in @42 kinda seems to be the game plan of “America first”. And they bemoan postmodernism. Ironic that.
Wonder how long before the other shoe drops and that fragmentation trend tears the US into privatized ancap city states as the federal government all but dissolves.
One might think the looming disintegration of the US on both the world and domestic stages is long game revenge for the shock therapy of the 90s.
Another perspective:
there is a way to think about this current situation (clutching at straws?). If the world is to continue in a peaceful and prosperous manner it can not do that without some kind of “rule of law” agreed upon by all the countries. It will have to be an agreement between equals and not by one more powerful then everyone else, no hegemon, so the U.S. will have slip from the position of leader of the free world. I do not think that can be done as a voluntary gesture it has to be the acceptance of reality clearly not an easy or simple process.
it will take courage and wisdom on the part of everyone all nations. The problems the human world is facing are too big for anyone on their own. The planet has no vested interest in any particular outcome especially one or another species it will continue on regardless it is we who are at risk everyday. Small minded narcissist are of no help and are a hindrance to peace and prosperity for all and ultimate survival.
So the Great comb-over and the Murderous dwarf and all the other goblins in thrall to themselves over all can only destroy themselves and us. Fighting and war is a failure and a funeral for all, trying to dominate everyone and everything is impossible and leads to chaos and destruction. back those many years ago those early men in the newly independent colonies realized the the articles of confederation were not enough so they tried something else and it worked better are we in a similar stop today? can we get through this as well?
So it is with reluctance and sadness we must act we did not ask for nor desire this.
But act we must, together.\
@32. Tankie Troll and worse and multiple genocides apologist and enabler beholder :
I notice that yet agian you did NOT answer the actual questions asked of you in #31.
(1.) Which party is your party beholder and what do you want them to do?
(2)a Is your party the Trump one – the one you actually helped put in power here? (2)b Again, you happy about the results and the suffering and damage your choice has caused so many others? You never did answer that.
(3) Or is it another different party and, if so which one and what real, actual use are they?
@ StevoR
What do you think “tankie” means mate?
Can you elucidate your defence of Harris’s unconditional support for Israel’s genocide in Gaza? Nevermind “Trump is worse” deflection. We want to hear your defence of Harris’s promise to fund genocide.
No deflection. If you support Harris’s genocide then say so loud and proud without changing the subject. Dare you.
Ironically the current “purge the woke/DEI” policies of the US government will probably hurt the US ability to conduct military operations, because those who have been/will be purged play roles all across the military and intelligence sectors. Others will quit in sympathy or disgust. And the US military already has a recruiting problem. So if Trump actually does try say a military intervention in Mexico against the cartels, or rattles swords in an effort to get his hands on Greenland, it may not work the way he thinks it will. Militaries need more than killers.
@32. Tankie Troll and worse and multiple genocides apologist and enabler beholder :
That might be your false impression but it is NOT the reality. The present “Ukraine press cycle” is about the betrayal of Zelenskyy by Trump and his ambush on him and abuse of him and lying about him, Ukraine who started the war – newsflash – it was Putin – and about the reveal that Trump – much like you beholder, is a Russian asset and traitor.
By “warmongers” do you mean the Repugs and Trumpists who set Biden up there with Trump releasing and dealing with the Taliban leaders and cutting out the Afghanistani govt – much like he cut out the Ukrainians from dealing with Putin’s invasion of their country and the Gazans from his Trump ethnically cleansed now American Gaza plan. See Jim Wright’s analysis here :
https://www.stonekettle.com/2021/08/bitter-pill.html
Very different situations and what “service” exactly? Ukraine is NOT Afghanistan nor Gaza and the person who we KNOW for a fact served Trump here is, well, you.
Citations needed. They have? I don’t agree. The racists who voted for Trump expecting his regime to be far worse for the Gazans and more pro-Israel and “stronger” in their warped idea of what strength means internationally don’t think that either – and with good reason frex :
Source : https://www.newarab.com/news/trump-ends-biden-hold-sending-2000-pound-bombs-israel
Who was that annoying tankie purity disunity troll who whined sanctimoniously about and insulted President Biden as he worked for ceasefire for not being pro-Palestinian enough again and thus decided they’d support the Fascist and only other alternative in last year’s election again? Oh right – Vicar – &, oh yeah, you too beholder now of the consequences of your counter-productive undermining of the ONLY non-fascist POTUS choice out of the 2 that were on offer.
But it wasn’t then and now we’re in a different world from the 1990’s when Gorbachev then Yeltsin were in charge of Russia and it was much less of a menace to other countries. Now we’re in context where Putin is a serious threat and, indeed, has attacked and invaded other nations in his horrid monarchical fantasy of rebuilding the Russian empire. What might’ve made sense then, no longer does now because things have changed. Back in the 1990’s Ukraine had its own nuclear arsenal following its independence from the Soviet empire. It gave those weapons up in exchange for promises that Putin has since broken. But then you knew that and are ignoring it because it doesn’t fit your case tho’ aren’t you beholding your wilful ignorance, hypocrisy and disingenuity.
Okay, yes, let’s just imagine Kamala had campaigned on that. Imagine what the Repugs and Trump would’ve said then about abandoning allies and betraying the rest of the world. Imagine the reaction and the attacks on that if they had. Really think that would be a winning strategy?
Imagine Trump had released his Trump Gaza AI ad video before the election while we’re at it, would you have voted for Genocide Don then? Would there have been an abandon Biden / Harris movement then? I wonder.
Also what does that say about you and your view of international politics and international affairs that you would see the USA reject its allies and embrace and allow its enemies to invade and occupy them and, yes likely genocide their peoples and cultures? For Taiwan, say, to end up like Tibet and have Taiwanese be slaughtered or re-educated as the Uyghurs are now facing? That’s acceptable to you, behold of blatant hypocrisy?
Is it? Or is it a guaranteed loss which is why the Democratic party (your tell of leaving off the last two letters of Democratic since again noted we behold) didn’t do as you’d advise here?
Did any party do suggest what you suggested above behold the results?
Kamala Harris was leftist* and she actually won only to be robbed by voter suppression. HRC, ofc, also won the popular vote in 2016 and was robbed by the Electoral College. Its not us that’s the problem here it’s the system. Which badly needs reforming and changing starting with enabling preferential voting so hopefully pro-Putin tools like behold the tankie troll here don’t ruin the world for everyone else.
.* At the very least Kamala was accused of being and seen as “far left” by her political opponents and those on the opposite side of politics with supporting evidence as noted here :
https://medium.com/@JamesLWells/the-descent-into-socialism-examining-kamala-harriss-leftist-policies-6b979592bda7
@ 48-49. Silentbob :
Tankie = someone who buys into, accepts and regurgitates the Russian lies spread about & supposedly justifying their invasion of Ukraine.A Putin supporter.
Kamala Harris did NOT do what you claim she did there.
Oh and BTW, point of fact : Yes Trump is very definitely worse, I was right in noting that Trump is worse, we’re already seeing Trump prove he’s far worse with more of Trump being far worse than Kamala yet to come. You do understand and accept that truth, yeah?
Also, there were, for the umpteenth fucking time, just two actual choices for POTUS – Kamala or Trump. On this issue and Ukraine and Climate and Democracy in the USA and everything else. Why do you think that should just be shrugged off with “never mind” given that was the reality?
No deflection, Silentbob, dare you to answer that ^
She didn’t promise that and I didn’t and don’t support that. No genocide is ever okay.
Now, Silentbob, wit h me having answered that for you can you now finally answer for me a question that you keep deflecting and ignoring over whether you are willing to leave John Morales alone and simply ignore his comments rather than always trolling him?
More power to the Norwegians!