Comma comma comma conspiracy, You come and go, you come and go

I wish he would go. About 5 or 6 years ago, this wackaloon named Terry Dean, Nemmers decided I was part of a conspiracy and started dunning me, the university, random county officials, etc. with demands that I submit to him the proof that I was a perfidious scofflaw, which I’m not, making it rather difficult to hand him the evidence he wanted, since it doesn’t exist. I nick-named him Comma because of his weird punctuation, which is apparently some sovereign citizen gimmick to make him immune to legal action. I could have named him Question Mark because of his affectation of arranging all of his sentences to turn them into questions.

Anyway, he hasn’t gone away. He still cc’s me all of these demands. Conspiracy nuts just can’t let it go.

The latest incoherent screed is below the fold, just in case you wanted to marvel at his persistence. I’ve removed addresses and phone numbers — he loves to dump all that kind of information into his complaints.

Jeffrey T. Perry, Esq. :

Why oh why did you send me a virus filled .vbs file in a zip file? The zip file was to prevent the email software from flagging your virus filled .vbs file, right? Did you know that Gmail placed a security alert on the .vbs file that you tried to infect my computer with? Still waiting for the justification for your fraudulent bill, aren’t I? And make sure you include the explanation why the digital audio file of PZ Myers was placed on a cassette tape, okay? Sure sounds like means, motive and opportunity to send a virus to me, right? Maybe I should just contact local law enforcement about your attempted criminal damage to property?

Terry Dean, Nemmers 13.03 ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT DATA. Subd. 3.Request for access to data. … The responsible authority, upon the request of any person, shall provide sufficient documentation to explain and justify the fee being charged.

from: Lion News to:,,,, Susan Mc Kinney , date: Jul 29, 2018, 8:46 AM subject: University of Minnesota illegally withholding incriminating data on Freethoughtblogs CEO & University of Minnesota, Morris Associate Professor PZ Myers? mailed-by: 13.03 ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT DATA. Subdivision 1. Public data. All government data collected, created, received, maintained or disseminated by a government entity shall be public unless classified by statute, or temporary classification pursuant to section 13.06, or federal law, as nonpublic or protected nonpublic, or with respect to data on individuals, as private or confidential. The responsible authority in every government entity shall keep records containing government data in such an arrangement and condition as to make them easily accessible for convenient use. Photographic, photostatic, microphotographic, or microfilmed records shall be considered as accessible for convenient use regardless of the size of such records. How do I open a VBS file? You can open and edit VBS files using any text editor, such as Notepad++ (Windows), TextEdit (Mac), or Atom. warning Warning While VBS files are typically legitimate, they may also be used to distribute and execute malware attacks on victims’ computers. To protect against malicious attacks, never double-click a VBS file you have downloaded or received via email unless you can verify its legitimacy and source.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 1:48 PM wrote:

Here is an update of the project.
Archive password: 7777

Jeffrey T. Perry, Esq.:
>Are you aware that the University of Minnesota is currently illegally
>withholding Freethoughtblogs CEO & University of Minnesota, Morris
>Associate Professor PZ Myers’ criminal investigative data for his vandalism
>of a UMM newspaper from me? The Mirandized audio statement in DSS format
>and the corresponding transcript along with Myers’ writing sample and the
>vandalized student newspapers must be extremely damning for Myers’ and the
>University of Minnesota for them to illegally withholding them, right? How
>would you like the look at the evidence for the criminal complaint that I
>filed with the University Police for the the U of M’s data compliance
>officials willful refusal to provide me with Myers data? See attached. Oh,
>I’ve also included the Auroa Center data request that the U of M is also
>illegally withholding from me, haven’t I?
>Terry Dean, Nemmers
>P.S. Would you like to hear my audio recorded complaint with the U of M’s
>Aggressiveness: The Tantrum Trap … aggressive people are insistent on
>standing up for their own rights while ignoring and violating the rights of
>others. Contacts: Communicating Interpersonally, by Teri Kwal Gamble &
>Michael Gamble, page 351. (Sound just like Myers, doesn’t it?)
> What’s new in the Richard
>Carrier Saga?
>Defense against Carrier SLAPP Suit
>“I tell my students that the U is possibly the worst public body in the
>state in abiding by public records law,” Ison said. “I tell them it’s going
>to be hard to get what you want to get. That they’re going to have to put
>their requests in writing and call almost daily and that along the way they
>may not be treated with respect.” The U of M fails Public Disclosure 101,
>frustrated journalists say By Brian Lambert | 12/17/15
> As chief legal officer of the University of Minnesota system, Doug
>provides legal advice to the Board of Regents and senior leadership and
>leads the Office of the General Counsel (OGC) as it addresses the varied
>litigation and transaction needs of the University system. Prior to joining
>OGC, Doug served as a federal prosecutor in Minnesota from 1986 through
>1997 and thereafter as a partner at Stinson Leonard Street LLP. Doug is a
>graduate of Yale and Harvard Law School. He currently serves as Chair of
>the Federal Practice Committee for the District of Minnesota and President
>of the Minnesota Board of Law Examiners. Contact Us Office of the General
>Counsel 360 McNamara Alumni Center 200 Oak Street S.E. Minneapolis, MN
> PZ Myers ‏ @pzmyers
>The descent of a lie 5:04 am – 11 Oct 2016 4 Likes Felix Ted M. Jones
>confrep dux ailurophilia 1 reply . 0 retweets 4 likes
> Lion News ‏
>@Lion__News Replying to @pzmyers The descent of a lie is the strategy used
>by @UMNews @UMMorris to cover up your criminal damage to a student
>newspapers isn’t it? 7:41 am – 11 Oct 2016 1 reply . 0 retweets 0 likes
> Lion News ‏
>@Lion__News Replying to @pzmyers Maybe you’re dumb enough to pay for
>fraudulent @UMNews @UMMorris bills but I’m not, am ? #coverup
> … 8:49 am – 11 Oct 2016
> Lion News ‏
>@Lion__News Replying to @PearlRiverFlow @pzmyers I will continue until I
>get the readily available free electronic data @UMNews @UMMorris
> … 8:52 am – 11 Oct
>2016 0 replies . 0 retweets 0 likes
> PZ Myers ‏
>@pzmyers PZ Myers Retweeted Lion News They’ve told you they’ll give you a
>copy for $43.50. That’s not a coverup, you silly git. PZ Myers added, Lion
>News @Lion__News Replying to @pzmyers The descent of a lie is the strategy
>used by @UMNews @UMMorris to cover up your criminal damage to a student
>newspapers isn’t it? 8:09 am – 11 Oct 2016 5 Likes idahogie
>Horrible Checkers Lad Appreciator Joe Fulgham Spherical Time
>Ted M. Jones 2 replies . 0 retweets 5 likes Lion News ‏ @Lion__News
>Replying to @PearlRiverFlow @pzmyers I will continue until I get the
>readily available free electronic data @UMNews @UMMorris
> … 8:52 am – 11 Oct
>2016 0 replies . 0 retweets 0 likes
> PZ Myers ‏ @pzmyers
>Replying to @Lion__News .@Lion__News @UMNews @UMMorris Also, charging for
>a copy is not at all related to plagiarized errors. 8:10 am – 11 Oct 2016 2
>replies . 0 retweets 0 likes
> Lion News ‏
>@Lion__News Replying to @pzmyers @UMNews @UMMorris FYI: unlike you I know
>the difference between an electron, electronic data & a piece of paper,
>don’t I? #coverup 9:15 am – 11 Oct 2016 0 replies . 0 retweets 0 likes
> Lion News ‏
>@Lion__News Replying to @pzmyers @UMNews @UMMorris Don’t you know the
>difference between an electron & a piece of paper, huh? No surprise!
> … 8:54 am – 11 Oct 2016 0
>replies . 0 retweets 0 likes
>Paul Myers Associate Professor Ph.D., University of Oregon B.S., University
>of Washington, Seattle Expertise Developmental Biology Neurobiology Paul
>Myers Campus Location: Science 2390

It is both funny and sad that he is still quoting his own tweets from 4 or 5 years ago, and he includes the pointless detail that they have “0 retweets 0 likes”.


  1. blf says

    They appeared to have spelled PZ’s surname correctly, which might put them one infinitesimal notch above teh cretinists and other wack-a-loons.

  2. Artor says

    Cervantes, being a ginormous arsewhole is not listed in the DSM5. Please knock off the amateur diagnoses.

  3. Peter B says

    It’s been my experience that Google blocks .zip files. I zipped and emailed microcontroller source files. The .zip was not deleted; the entire email did not arrive. I had to use another email address my client had.

  4. DanDare says

    There is something wrong with that guy. Obsession, paranoia, innability to discern truth from fantasy. I seem to remember there was an appropriate bounce back from authorities that were being pestered.
    I note the sovereign citizen thing has reared its ugly head over wearing face masks.

  5. blf says

    I note the sovereign citizen thing has reared its ugly head over wearing face masks.

    So has the yellow star thing… (crossposted from poopyhead’s current [Pandemic and] Political Madness all the Time thread…)

    Scott Lively Would Rather Be Beheaded Than Forced by the Government to Wear a Mask:

    [… A]nti-LGBTQ activist Scott Lively posted a video on YouTube Saturday in which he argued that requiring people to wear masks to prevent the spread of the COVID-19 virus is akin to the Nazis forcing Jewish people to wear yellow stars on their clothing and declared that he’d rather be beheaded than to be forced to wear one by the government.


    Welcome to the Green Mask Cult[] (not a band, as far as I know)! Please form a line to enter the hand sanitiseatron and holiest of holies, the vaccineamatic.

    So if masks are mandated in this loon’s area, there will be one less loon (supposedly). Sounds like a win-win — fewer infections and fewer loons!

      † It must be Green because, ah, well, another loon claimed the reason the Greens did so well in the recent elections here in France is because green is the colour of Islam.

  6. bcwebb says

    I’m in awe of Nemmers skills. When I’ve tried to write like a nut, I am hampered by unconscious self-consistency and logical sequencing. I am impressed by Nemmers ability to write nut-material effortlessly and seamlessly. No clumsy non sequiturs but fluid text stripped clean of enchaining logic or thread of reason.

  7. nomuse says

    bcwebb —
    A friend of mine runs a Call of Cthulhu campaign. Among the various hand-outs he makes up for the players — newspaper articles, property records, train timetables, are — surprise! — the rambling accounts of people driven mad, mad I tell you, by what they have seen.
    He tells me those give him more trouble than anything. Being convincingly but purposefully mad is hard, it seems, to fake.

  8. John Wilkins says

    I agree with cervantes. This fellow clearly has a mental issue, or more than one.

  9. John Morales says

    John Wilkins, sure, that’s someone who evinces mental mania.

    But that’s not the entirety of cervantes’ claim, is it?

    He advocates for sympathy on that basis.

    So, is lack of sympathy for mental issues itself a mental issue? Because, if so, that too perforce deserves sympathy.

  10. jessem says

    When I look at the rant I see a sad lonely man desperate for attention. That’s my intuition, it doesn’t need to be correct. I can have some sympathy, also for PZ being harrassed. No need to drag mental illness into it to have sympathy though. And @chigau, I personally don’t think having a mental illness or not (or which one) can so easily be treated as a dichotomy. That only works in the legal sense.

  11. says

    …huh. There’s a semi-famous Internet Loon named Don Saklad, and it just dawned on me that his distinctive odd phrasing and assertive demands on the time of others might possibly be a sign of Soverign Citizen-type weirdness. (It’s been years since I saw his stuff, but as I recall he puts everything in third person in an extremely roundabout fashion, and doesn’t want anyone to help him unless they very specifically give him the extremely time-consuming and unusual byproduct he wants instead of what most people would want. Instead of saying “I want an ice cream cone” he would write a paragraph along the lines of “Members of the public often want dairy confections, including ice cream cones. How does a concerned citizen obtain an ice cream cone when one is desired? Please forward a photo and reviews from at least 4 food critics of every ice cream cone from every shop in the greater Boston area.”) (He was famous for having a fixation on the Boston Public Library.)

  12. says

    This individual is obviously psychotic. And yes, you should have sympathy for people with mental illness, however difficult that may be.

  13. says

    As is my usual habit I’ll need the people referring to mental illness to cite:
    1) the specific diagnosis
    2) the relevant diagnostic criteria
    3) the concrete examples of the diagnostic criteria
    If you can’t do this you are using the mentally ill as your political tool and you should stop being incompetents and learn to communicate about what you have negative feelings about.

  14. wzrd1 says

    @blf #9, well, Islam does consider green a “holy” color, or at least venerates it, but that’s only by tradition and apparently, associated heaven.
    Makes sense, given that the Arabian desert is just tan, as far as the eye can see.

    Oh, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania just issued an order from the governor’s office that masks are required when going outside. Gonna have to bring spares in the summer heat, lest perspiration render the one I am wearing unservicable. :/
    That said, a local fuel/convenience store has customers in and all all day and evening, 2/3 being not wearing a mask. :(

    A Texan bar owner doesn’t want to close down, claiming rights that don’t exist and that the state government isn’t supposed to look after the health of the citizenry. Apparently, she’s unacquainted with the US Constitution’s Article 1, Section 8’s mandate to ensure welfare of the nation and by definition, the nation is its people.