Science may be political.. but those scientists that “can” engage in politics are not like the growing minority of scientists that now exist exclusively on soft money. I worry that the backlash created by these priveleged scientists will influence the survival of the others.
Ichthyicsays
I worry that the backlash created by these priveleged scientists will influence the survival of the others.
this “backlash” against the very idea that scientists ARE human, and thus have vested interests in the same things everyone else does, is also big amongst the “should have already retired” crowd I have noticed over the years.
like Jerry Coyne.
also, people like Coyne tend to influence the less thoughtful among us, like Matt Young over at Panda’s Thumb.
not doing science, or themselves, or anyone… any favors. But try telling them that, and they will not listen to you.
so much for evaluating evidence.
don’t need these kinds of scientists in my opinion. Golden parachute the lot of em.
KGsays
Science may be political.. but those scientists that “can” engage in politics are not like the growing minority of scientists that now exist exclusively on soft moneythe sufferance of the Party. I worry that the backlash created by these priveleged scientists will influence the survival of the others. – biobengal‘s equivalent in the 1930s@3
rietpluimsays
Makes me wonder what, according to the dudely science-bro, is political.
Duncsays
Makes me wonder what, according to the dudely science-bro, is political.
Any disagreement with his preconceptions.
jamesramseysays
My personal definition
Politics: The normal behavior of 3 or more people in a confined space.
pipefightersays
Sounds like my dad….”you should never have a dog in the fight.” Not literally of course. It’s funny cause when he tries to argue for his position he sounds like he clearly does. By funny I mean insufferable.
whywhywhysays
#3 biobengal
I exist completely on soft money, so I understand the instability of the situation all too well. However, I also once worked in industry and there is not much more job security there (though it is less discussed thus less thought about). Eventually, I realized all sense of security is a myth that we tell ourselves in order to quiet the voices in our own heads so that we can go about our lives during the day and get some sleep at night.
If we as ‘soft money’ scientists don’t march against the anti-science words and actions in our ‘representative’ government, who should? Is there anyone else with more of a vested interest or a greater understanding how 45’s administration is destructive when it comes to the work of science? I am marching because I am a human who values science and I very well understand how the actions of a few well-placed folks in government who are proudly ignorant can not only damage my own efforts and life but our country as a whole. I see staying ‘quiet’ as a short term game that is guaranteed to provide the worst of long term outcomes.
chrislawsonsays
jamesramsey@8: there’s one too many people in your definition.
militantagnosticsays
When they came for the soft money there was no one left to speak up for biobengal.
biobengalsays
Yes, there are many perspectives, this is mine. I worry, yes, for the future…. but, all politics are local, as a climate change researcher I worry and may also feel more exposed than most.
KGsays
all politics are local
I’ve never understood why such an obvious piece of nonsense is quoted as if it were true. I’d have thought a climate change researcher above all would have understood what a load of crap it is.
cartomancer says
The axolotl ate the zebrafish embryos.
Marcus Ranum says
Dictionary atheists -> Dictionary scientists
biobengal says
Science may be political.. but those scientists that “can” engage in politics are not like the growing minority of scientists that now exist exclusively on soft money. I worry that the backlash created by these priveleged scientists will influence the survival of the others.
Ichthyic says
this “backlash” against the very idea that scientists ARE human, and thus have vested interests in the same things everyone else does, is also big amongst the “should have already retired” crowd I have noticed over the years.
like Jerry Coyne.
also, people like Coyne tend to influence the less thoughtful among us, like Matt Young over at Panda’s Thumb.
not doing science, or themselves, or anyone… any favors. But try telling them that, and they will not listen to you.
so much for evaluating evidence.
don’t need these kinds of scientists in my opinion. Golden parachute the lot of em.
KG says
rietpluim says
Makes me wonder what, according to the dudely science-bro, is political.
Dunc says
Any disagreement with his preconceptions.
jamesramsey says
My personal definition
Politics: The normal behavior of 3 or more people in a confined space.
pipefighter says
Sounds like my dad….”you should never have a dog in the fight.” Not literally of course. It’s funny cause when he tries to argue for his position he sounds like he clearly does. By funny I mean insufferable.
whywhywhy says
#3 biobengal
I exist completely on soft money, so I understand the instability of the situation all too well. However, I also once worked in industry and there is not much more job security there (though it is less discussed thus less thought about). Eventually, I realized all sense of security is a myth that we tell ourselves in order to quiet the voices in our own heads so that we can go about our lives during the day and get some sleep at night.
If we as ‘soft money’ scientists don’t march against the anti-science words and actions in our ‘representative’ government, who should? Is there anyone else with more of a vested interest or a greater understanding how 45’s administration is destructive when it comes to the work of science? I am marching because I am a human who values science and I very well understand how the actions of a few well-placed folks in government who are proudly ignorant can not only damage my own efforts and life but our country as a whole. I see staying ‘quiet’ as a short term game that is guaranteed to provide the worst of long term outcomes.
chrislawson says
jamesramsey@8: there’s one too many people in your definition.
militantagnostic says
When they came for the soft money there was no one left to speak up for biobengal.
biobengal says
Yes, there are many perspectives, this is mine. I worry, yes, for the future…. but, all politics are local, as a climate change researcher I worry and may also feel more exposed than most.
KG says
I’ve never understood why such an obvious piece of nonsense is quoted as if it were true. I’d have thought a climate change researcher above all would have understood what a load of crap it is.