Slate is challenging people to diagram this sentence from Donald Trump:
Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.
I’m not really interested in dissecting the parts of speech and their relationships to one another as I am in answering a different question about the content: WTF is he talking about? This is going beyond word salad to a garbage salad that has been consumed and excreted and is now swirling around at the sewage treatment plant.
OMG, sounds like he’s channelling Sarah Palin. Next thing you know, he’ll say he can see Russia from Trump Tower.
good genes, very good genes
Good DNA. Blood will tell.
Sorry to tell ya, Trump, but they won’t let you into the aristocracy. You’ll always be a nouveau riche parvenu to them. They think you’re not fit to put your little hands on their boots, so use your tongue.
robro@#1:
he’ll say he can see Russia from Trump Tower
Crimea! He can see Crimea from up there!
Hey the Crimea rate has been going up under the Obama administration! We should build a wall!
Not see Russia, but own Russia. Which in the Real World™ means he’s Putin’s patsy.
That needs to be performed aloud by, hmmm…
I am thinking John Lithgow as Lord John Worfin, but maybe Patrick Stewart could it if Kanye West wasn’t available.
Me@#5:
No, get Eminem to do it.
Seriously.
He’d kill it.
It would have to be a Venn diagram – intersection of the sets insecurity, eugenics, ignorance, and racism.
Okay, what’ve we got here about the Chump’s uncle? “…great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart,”
But it all just averages out to an IQ of about 100 – we’ve got Uncle John at, say 140, & that would fit with Donald at about 60
it’s from a speech in Sun City, South Carolina on July 21, 2015
http://www.whatthefolly.com/2015/07/22/transcript-donald-trumps-remarks-in-south-carolina-part-7/
and it’s about the iranian nuclear deal that John Kerry brokered and it became quite a theme that the obama administration didn’t know how to negotiate, but that he, donald, the great negotiator would secure better deals. even went so far as saying that he had some role in the eventual prisoner swap
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-iran-prisoner-swap-credit-2016-1
all while using a bad stereotype about iranians
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trump-repeats-stereotype-about-iranians-when-attacking-obama/
1.) 35 years ago, Donald Trump’s uncle was a nuclear power with excellent genes.
2.) Donald Trump is a liberal republican democratic conversative number. That kind of maths is new to me but, if you cancel the terms correctly, I think you are left with a hippie communist. Or an egomanaical fascist since I may have mixed up the signs.
3.) He’s holding four Persian prisoners in his tower. It used to be three, for the past 150 years, but now it’s four. However, they have successfully negotiated [the labyrinth of the tower’s dungeon (inferred by author)] and killed everyone. This was apparently foretold by the uncle.
That’s my translation, though I take no responsibility for any errors or omissions. I speak English tolerably well but don’t recognise this … dialect?
yeah, I barely tried. futile to analyze his spoken word, after all. one thing that stood out, that final statement about Persians. Appears he doesn’t know that the people of that region dropped the name Persia quite a while ago, more than 150 yrs. which he seems to focus on. I think Trumpwords need a new phrase to exceed “not even wrong”.
“not even incoherent” approaches the meme I’m lookin4.
This needs to be read as Andy Serkis’s Gollum to get the full effect.
Somewhere is the dim and convoluted labyrinth that is Trump’s mind, he knows he is likely to lose the election. He is looking for excuses ahead of time.
That’s why he says things like he said today in Columbus, Ohio:
He is also deeply afraid that people will see through his bluster, through his lack of knowledge. That’s why he makes up a story in which he tries to substitute his Uncle’s intelligence for his own. That’s why he continues to tell us he went to Wharton.
Wharton wants Trump to stop with the shoutouts already. Some Wharton students, faculty, and alumni disapprove of Trump’s methods and policies in an open letter.
Nerd of Redhead provided most of the above news from Wharton in an earlier chapter of the Moments of Political Madness Thread.
Here is an excerpt from the open letter to Trump:
Set the quote in the OP to music.
Maybe You Can’t Always Get What You Want.
I’m sure The Rolling Stones won’t mind.
People far smarter than me (probably a few billion in that club) say he is chronically sleep-deprived and his thinking is simply scrambled. I am serious here and the evaluators were equally serious. Drumpfh brags that he sleeps 4 hours (can’t tell if he is telling the truth–just like all other subjects in the world) but humans can’t do this long term.
So I vote sleep deprived. Make the combination of intellectually lazy, ignorant, rude, crude, disgusting, frat-boy behavior, and you get a disgusting clown.
I’m thinking it would be fairly easy to code a Trumpbot. Perhaps it’s already been done?
I fear that the evidence for a Trumpbot is right in front of use every day; the builders only had a can of orange spray paint laying around when it came time to paint it though…
Is anything too farfetched in the current election?
Here’s what I’d do if I was Trump, and also an evil dictator wannabe — but I repeat myself. I’d try to fix the election — for Clinton. It wouldn’t be hard, just pay a few dozen people to try to vote twice or make an ineffectual attempt to hack a machine or two.
Then I’d make sure my handful of paltry attempts were caught, and scream loudly. Instead of giving a concession speech, I’d go on TV and tell my followers — “We won this election fair and square, but THEY stole it from us. Well, you’ve got guns, and those pansy liberals don’t. Grab your weapon and meet me in Washington to take over the White House and show the world what We The People really want!”
Like I said, is anything impossible nowadays?
archangelospumoni #15
It appears if you are going to get bereft of sleep, take many naps, unlike Trump.
As one who has been sleep deprived, I can attest to the loss of short term memory. It’s finally coming back almost a year after I retired and could sleep in.
… and is now swirling around at the sewage treatment plant.
More like spurting out of an illegal waste pipe from some Trump™ 1-percenter golf resort directly from toilets & drains to ocean.
Am fairly sure that actually has happened and probably still happens somewhere, but my morale couldn’t take looking it up tonight.
It’s more of an idiotlect.
… dissecting the parts of speech and their relationships to one another …
Pls bear in mind that what you see up there has already been given much more structure (than it had coming out of Trump’s orifice) by some unfortunate transcriptionist(s) probably now applying for PTSD-related disability aid.
slithey tove … @ # 11: … the people of that region dropped the name Persia quite a while ago, more than 150 yrs.
Much closer to 80.
The cats, carpets, and (most of) the language still hang on to the name (along with a lot of Iranian humans in the US when facing likely Iranophobes).
Marcus —
But Crimea is Russia…that is, if you’re Russian. It’s also arguably not Ukrainian either…it was transferred to the Ukraine SSR by the Supreme Soviet in 1954 as an administrative convenience. Until then, Crimea had never been part of the territories under the control of Kyiv, while it had been part of the Russia Empire for a couple of centuries. Of course, before that there’s a long history of exploitation. Is it like today? Oh yeah.
The Trump paragraph is merely confirming evidence of Trump’s ghost writer’s claim that Trump is amazingly ignorant and has a ridiculously short attention span. He cannot say more than one sentence (or sometimes even one sentence) that expresses a coherent thought. Everything is jumbled together like a male version of Sarah Palin, but with more ego and even less thought.
I distinctly remember Donald Trump saying, “I have the best words”.
Too bad they’re not in any particular order.
I give up. I am totally bewildered by his eloquence.
chigau @14:
How about Weird Al Yankovic’s Dare To Be Stupid?
As for the election being fixed? He fixed it all by himself. I was astonished yesterday when I looked at the 538 site to find it 51/49 in favour of Clinton. I thought Aha! the fallout from the kerfuffle over the gold star parents hasn’t got through the polls yet. So I checked it this morning.
Clinton 64.8%. Trump 35.2%.
I think it’s percolated through. (Trump should hope that that’s as bad as it gets. Otherwise there’ll be no coming back.)
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
mostlymarvelous — What’s really impressive is that several states have flipped, especially Florida. Yesterday, Trump had led in Florida, now Clinton is ahead. New Hampshire and New Mexico also flipped, but Florida is significant because that’s 29 electoral votes. They are showing Clinton with 303 electoral votes to Trump’s 235. I believe North Carolina has also moved into play.
I like the sleep-deprived angle. I am currently, and I am a mess.
Even if Trump is the very best at whatever that was, it doesn’t follow that he is the only one who can solve the problems.
Possible evidence that the DNC commited election fraud:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5O9I4XJdSISNzJyaWIxaWpZWnM/view?pref=2&pli=1
There’s also a class action lawsuit I think. I haven’t read it yet as I found out about it today thanks to some of my “vote third party” friends, but I will eventually. As a long time lurker I’ve always liked to hear the opinions of these boards so I’m linking it here. Thanks.
I doubt it’s sleep deprivation. It also doesn’t appear to be dyslexia.
As for four hours of sleep being unsustainable, many, many successful people have been documented as existing on only four hours of sleep per day. Personally, I’ve gone with four hours of sleep for several months at a time, paying the sleep debt back with catnaps and a massive crash at the end and twelve to eighteen hours of sleep.
Still, the inability to wrangle a single concept together, with reversals in the midst of a run-on sentence, with mixing of concepts is suggestive of possible dementia.
Or severe incompetence in public speaking.
Or both.
Is he actually claiming that in 1981 nobody had a clue about the power of nuclear weapons?
I can’t wait for the debates. . .unless there’s a good football game on, that is.
He has a very short attention span. Probably ADD, given what I hear of people giving Trump coca cola before a speech so he can concentrate.
The sentence digressions on top of other digressions are what I do when I speak in conversation without making an effort to avoid it. However unlike Trump, I’m not a narcissist so I am not under the delusion that I have the best words and don’t need to make an effort.
@Malachite #36, I don’t know, Trump’s multiple layer digressions are remarkably similar to those my father experienced during his decline from vascular dementia.
Unlike Alzheimer’s, vascular dementia has a stair step progression that is quite aggressive.
Still, I can come off like a gibbering idiot when suffering from caffeine withdrawl and severe fatigue can set my dyslexia into high gear. So there is obviously multiple ways in which one can come off sounding like the village idiot. I’m only proficient in three of them. :/
Sleep deprivation certainly messes with your head, but it doesn’t turn you into a raging narcissist or a bigot.
I’m just trying to keep up with the number of tracks his purported train of “thought” jumps in the course of this speech –
Start at nuclear (power? weapons? battleships?)
[Side loop 1-> His relations – Professor John Trump, MIT – science & engineering
-> Eugenics/born to rule (“good genes)
[Side loop 2-> Wharton school of economics
[Side loop 3 -> Political orientation apparently determines perceived intelligence (“I’d be considered smart if I ran as a liberal Democrat rather than a conservative Republican”)
-> Personal academic history (returns to Wharton School of Economics) – End side loop 2]
-> Having to repeat academic credentials – end side loop 1 and 3]
Oh, we’re back to nuclear, and it’s a nuclear DEAL. Right, okay.
[Side loop 4 -> Back to his uncle, who apparently explained to him that nuclear is powerful.]
-> Prisoners – used to be 3, now 4
-> “It’s all in the messenger, fellas”
[Side loop 5 -> Diversion into institutionalised sexism (in Iran? Hard to tell from context)]
-> Iranians are great negotiators and the USA aren’t.
I get the impression he’s attempting to do the sort of monologues which long-form stand-up comedians excel at – the sort of thing where you’re effectively listening to a series of nested parenthetical asides. However, the thing about the long-form stand-up comedian is that firstly, they actually close their parentheses; secondly, they script these things very tightly; and then thirdly, they rehearse and practice these routines before unleashing them on an unwary public – no matter HOW free-form it appears to be.
As an Australian (and therefore someone who isn’t up with the minutiae of US politics – heck, I’m barely up to date with the major themes of Australian politics since our last election) I would effectively need a background briefing paper on the issue he’s talking about before I could tell you whether or not he was actually making any sense whatsoever.
@Moggie, quite true. However, I can relate the fact that by hour 72 of continuous wakefulness, I was barely able to count a pulse and multiplying the 15 second pulse by four was utterly beyond my abilities.
@Meg Thornton, I believe, if my reading of the context is correct, that he’s referring to the Iran nuclear deal and hostage exchange. Trump has also made reference in the past of advising Reagan’s people about nuclear weapons, back when Reagan was POTUS, although his advise back then was… Rather dubious, if it actually existed at all.
The man is a walking case study in Dunning-Kruger.
I think I can summarize that “sentence” in four words…
“I’m smart. Genes. Squirrel!”
“the women are smarter right now than the men”
This is the core of his message. The rest of what came out of his mouth is just a graphic demonstration of it.
I was expecting him to mention wearing an onion on his belt.
brucegee1962 @ #18, it would totally fit with his personality to launch his flying monkeys at the government, and then claim it wasn’t actually him that started the (very short-lived) revolution.
My worry would be all the side trips for petty vendettas his minions would take before attempting to crush Washington, DC under their iron boot. Lots of good people would be killed.
Other than that, it would raise the national average IQ for quite some time.
I’m suggesting this with zero humor intended. I’ve always thought that Trump sounded like he has some variation of Fluent Aphasia. Video HERE. I knew a fella around 45 years ago that talked similarly.
I would say this is a stream of consciousness, except that would imply Trump was conscious when he said it.
Based on the length and the content, I award this 214 babble units of “Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?” or equivalently, two and half Palins.
Considering all the garbage output normal operation would be indistinguishable from faulty operation. It would be debugging hell.
@lotharloo #47,
Maybe you meant well, but that particular meme (Has Anyone Really…) originated on 4chan, quite possibly the most vile cesspit the internet has ever produced. Could we not parrot their stuff here?
And you’ll have to pry them from his cold, dead mouth.
@49 Dave
You probably meant well but I absolutely hate that kind of logic. Coming from an oppressive dictatorship, I have seen this kind of logic ban, or restrict almost any kind of books, movies, music and so on just because the author once in his/her life did something that was not to the taste of the government. So no, I don’t like that kind of authoritarian purity test that says something is tainted because of how they were created. Memes spread and if there is nothing sexist, racists or offensive about something, what the hell is the problem? Do you also want to ban Caturday too?
Seems like il douche is abusing the infinite monkey theorem to save money and is actually having his speeches written by a room full of chimps hacking randomly on typewriters.
Yes, because fuck cats.
And your bullshit slippery slope censorship crap is utterly irrelevant. This isn’t an arm of the government, no part of that infringes on your freeze peach. You want to mimic the most vile people on the internet? Fine. I will just consider you one of them. I believe that most of the regulars here are better than that.
I hereby award Dave the title of Stop Having Fun Guy.