Jebus. Sometimes I forget how freakin’ obnoxious creationists can be. Below is a video made by Megan Fox, about her visit to Chicago’s Field Museum. Who is Megan Fox, you ask? Not that Megan Fox, this one:
Megan Fox is a homeschooling, Tea Partying, conservative mother of two (with another on the way!) out and about in the suburbs who is also a popular columnist for PJ Media.
You can already guess what she’s going to think of the Field Museum, one of the best museums in the country, and its “Evolving Earth” exhibit. But what you won’t know yet is how goddamn smug, arrogant, and ignorant she can be. Watch the video and learn.
First, a warning, though. Whoever is recording this is incompetent: the camera just rolls around, constantly sweeping over the actual exhibits, and you might experience a little motion sickness. Then it occasionally stops and focuses on Fox, who then rants about how stupid the scientists are, and you might feel a different kind of nausea. It’s not fun.
I watched the whole thing, appalled. Here’s a summary of just the first few minutes — if you get sickened by this, you don’t need to watch the rest, it’s all the same.
She’s reading an explanatory panel at the start of the exhibit. It says,
At first, all eukaryotes were single-celled, and many still are today.
This baffles her. She hasn’t heard of this word, “eukaryote”, before — the camera man tells her how to pronounce it — and she’s already stumped.
This makes no sense. No sense.
What makes no sense? Two billion years ago, all eukaryotes were single-celled. There weren’t any multicellular organisms yet. Frogs, people, salmon, and fruit flies all evolved much, much later. But yeast, paramecia, and algae, all single-celled eukaryotes, still exist today.
Clearly, it makes no sense to Megan Fox. But her stupidity and incomprehension of simple logic is not an indictment of the scientists at the Field Museum. When a simple fact about the world confuses her, I think I know where the problem lies.
She keeps on reading. Her confusion and anger grows.
But every organism, living and extinct, that is not single celled — including you — is made up of eukaryotic cells.
Yes, that’s true. Prokaryotic cells make colonies or aggregates, but they’re not truly multicellular. All multicellular organisms, animals, plants, fungi, etc., are all eukaryotic. Again, this is an empirical fact about the world. Megan Fox doesn’t understand it and doesn’t like it.
Well doesn’t that suggest that every thing was made up of eukaryotic cells in the beginning, that they weren’t something else that became eukaryotic cells, that they were always and have been eukaryotic cells?
No, it doesn’t imply that at all. Eukaryotes are a subset of life on earth; there are also prokaryotes and archaea. The earliest cells were not eukaryotes. The current explanation for the origin of eukaryotes is endosymbiosis: they represent a merger of two or more organisms to create a more complex form with organelles, like mitochondria and chloroplasts. This is an explanation that is also strongly backed by good old empirical evidence, such as by the retention of prokaryote-like circular DNA in those organelles.
None of this is hard to understand. Fox is clearly lacking some basic biological information, like that the majority of organisms on this planet are not eukaryotes, but she should have learned that in high school, and she could have asked a docent to explain what she doesn’t understand.
But no, Megan Fox knows everything. It’s the scientists who don’t make any sense.
None of this makes any sense. It doesn’t make sense to a 5th grader, it doesn’t make sense to a 3rd grader, it doesn’t make sense to a 30 year old. None of this makes any sense.
This is not good thinking. This is muddled thinking. This is thinking from like Darwin’s thinking from a hundred years ago, and we should know better by now. Darwin once said that if the single cell is more complex than I think it is, then all of my theories…I’m going to have to start all over again.
Wow. First, Megan Fox, your ignorance says nothing about the quality of the work.
Second, you can’t even quote mine? You make up Darwin quotes? Here’s what Darwin actually said; this is the closest approximation to those mangled words I could come up with.
If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. But I can find out no such case.
I think she muddled that up with the common creationist claim that Darwin thought cells were undifferentiated blobs of amorphous protoplasm, which is completely false. Darwin published papers describing subcellular organelles, for dog’s sake.
Then she stomps through the rest of the exhibits, angrily denouncing them and complaining that the scientists don’t really know. A panel gives dates for the evolution of land plants; HOW DO THEY KNOW?
. A panel says they evolved from the green algae. THEY DON’T KNOW THAT. HOW DID THEY KNOW WHAT COLOR THEY WERE?
It goes on and on.
Sounds dumb. How do you know this? It’s just a fairy tale. It’s all a guess. No one knows. It’s all an opinion. Did they have a video camera then? Show me the video. There are no transitional forms. They made it all up.
You know, if she were actually curious, if she were at the museum to learn something, she might have tried asking questions. We actually have evidence for everything stated there. We can tell you how we know, because that’s what science is all about, documenting the path we take to knowledge.
This is a beautiful example of someone who is aggressively, militantly ignorant. Next time someone tells you that atheists or evolutionists are arrogant, show them this video of a creationist stumbling through a treasure trove of knowledge, denouncing it all at every step.
I really feel sorry for her poor homeschooled kids. Their teacher is a fool.
Well… I made it 36 seconds in before I stopped caring.
“I many still are today, that would support the theory that they have never changed.”
No. No it would not. It would support the theory that, of all the possible changes, many forms of eukaryotic life have not changed their number of cells… that’s not remotely the same thing.
Smugnorance.
OK the first 30 seconds is enough. I wont watch the rest. You are right PZ, smugness of this calibre can only be made so nauseating because it is paired with such stupidity. I didn’t see a thinking person at all. I saw the complete opposite.
– Goes to museum to discredit evolution.
– Begins with “I don’t know how to say this word [eukaryotes]”
She didn’t have a chance, did she?
I’ll look forward to MF publishing her refutation of evolution in Science or Nature *snicker*.
Personal incredulity refutes nothing.
Wow.
She’s so confused and ignorant. She’s Dunning Kugering so hard. She doesn’t understand, hasn’t even bothered to try to educate herself and it makes her angry to be confronted with facts.
It’s sad to see a grown woman act like that.
Then again, we see adult atheists do the same thing every single day when confronted with facts about racism, rape culture, economics, etc. They get angry because they already think they know the answers and when they are confronted with a reality that contradicts those answers, they behave far worse than this creationist.
Google Dunning-Krueger Effect.
Saad @3: Indeed, she went in totally out of her depth. But then again, its a museum, it is there to teach. Her problem was two-fold: (1) her failure to actually learn anything in a teaching environment which was brought on by (2) such arrogance to think she already knew the answers despite being completely unfamiliar with what she was talking about.
I suspect we will see her running in a primary election for the Republican party soon. And she will win. Because she has all the answers. Despite knowing nothing.
Not only do these people rejoice in not knowing anything, they have no idea just how much can be known, and indeed is already known. OK, it’s a different level in the scientific hierarchy, but I’m still amazed whenever I see something like the wonderful Metabolic Pathways poster. I suppose she thinks that’s “all a guess” too.
I lasted 35 seconds, and that was too long. I should have stopped when she said “I don’t know how to pronounce this word.”
I’m sure it’s possible, if one were home schooled by a creationist, to go out and get a real science education on one’s own by using internet resources and therefore to never have heard anyone say eukaryote, but let’s be realistic. Her failure on that point basically means she never made it through junior high biology class and she thinks she’s qualified to discredit the Field Museum on evolution? Let alone to home school her kids? And this goes on for thirty freaking minutes?
I’m a masochist apparently. Around 5:50
I’m pretty sure as incorrect as the bible is, the world was a formless void at one point and stuff was then, wait for it, formed. Technically the sentence would apply equally to magic wizard creationism as it does a physical process of acumulation of materials.
This is why I believe that homeschooling and all private schools ought to be banned. All American children must go to 100% secular government-run schools with a federally enforced curriculum. No, I don’t fucking care if you are an atheist who homeschools. Like liberal/moderate theists do for fundies, atheists homeschoolers are providing cover for non-government “education.”
Parents who refuse? They lose their parental rights and their former children go to public schools while they go to prison.
I see from her YouTube site that this is the same Megan Fox who at least used to guest blog at hill buzz.org. I remember her because after President Obama was re-elected she had briefly thought about “going Galt”. I thought the point of going Galt was that society would eventually miss its most productive members, so for people like Ms. Fox to threaten to do so vitiates the intended effect. But yes, smug and stupid. Could we possibly convince her to pick just one?
@Akira (#11): I expect you’ll catch a lot of heat for this comment, but I’ll go on record as saying I’m with you 100%, although I have a couple of additional reason as well as this.
Phew, you had me worried for a second there.
42 seconds. Her first incredulous leap of ignorance lost me.
I can only assume that she thinks eukaryotic cells are single, identical, homogeneous units.
What i find incomprehensible is how an adult human being, when faced with something they don’t understand can go “nope, total bullshit, i must know better than all of those people”.
Somehow i don’t think Megan will be receiving a Nobel prize any time soon.
@Bernard Bumner, and she quoted the part that said that eukaryotes “have a nucleus, which contains the cell’s DNA and other specialized parts”, i.e., not “single, identical, homogenous units”. So apparently she has the ability to read English words out loud without at the same time hearing them.
PZ:
Can’t make me. Neener neener.
(I am already aware how goddamn smug, arrogant, and ignorant people can be. I need less, not more, examples of this sad phenomenon.)
@coleslaw (#17): That she actually said, “blah, blah, blah..” right after that says a lot about her ability to understand what she just read.
OK – its a slow weak so I dropped some dramamine and watched some more.
Her points seem to be a muddled collection of the standard creationist talking points but she can’t even get them right. Going back toward the beginning, I quote,
As PZ pointed out, no he didn’t. But she “quotes” him with such confidence! Ugh. What Darwin was suggesting was that if there was no mechanism for subtle change then there would be no physical grounding for his theory. This was very astute at the time and in some sense prophetic because a physical grounding has now been established. It seems she has confused this statement with the creationist idea that biology is irreducibly complex. She literally walked into the museum with a muddled idea of her own talking points and then had the gall to call modern scientific thinking muddled. And with such smug confidence! Ugh ^ Ugh.
The rest just goes on like this. Its painful to the point where I started to feel bad for her. Sometimes I think youtube is just a place for people to go and embarrass themselves. But the Dunning-Kruger effect is making embarrassment impossible.
Anyway, time for me to get back to work and the great conspiracy called modern science.
In Stanislaw Lem’s “Cyberiad” the robot protagonists Klaupatius and Trurl once creates a computer that is aggressively ignorant. Klaupatius: “What is two plus two?”
Computer: “Five!”
The episode soon turns into mayhem, as computer violently resists debugging.
Which one is she, again?
@clember (#22): I’m betting her educational level makes her two of those at once. My money’s on 30 year old with a 3rd grade education.
She must be thinking of a different Darwin, one who was still around “a hundred years ago”.
@coleslaw
People who are imbued with biblical knowledge tend to believe that they can understand and evaluate any field quickly.
I suspect that she understood them to be homogeneous in the same way that basic lego bricks are; pegs and holes are just parts of a thing, colours are pretty decoration, and a two brick is really just a couple of ones joined in the middle. (i.e. not really homogeneous, but a facile consideration of the object might fool you.)
gussnarp,
As long as the kids have access to a library, there’s a chance. The problem isn’t in a lack of correct information. It’s unwillingness to learn. They may not be unwilling now, but she’ll do her best to make sure they are eventually. It would be great if we could point to public school as a remedy for parents like that, but it doesn’t work that way.
I know a young woman who took AP classes with a focus on science and engineering at the best local public school. She graduated near the top of her class. I’ve known her her whole life. She’s smart. She studied the correct info and aced the tests. However, she never believed it. She was raised in a creationist household. When she was asked in class to draw what she thought the Big Bang might have looked like, she drew Adam reaching up to God as seen in the Sistine Chapel.
How did that happen? She was told at home and at church that the school was wrong. Her teachers apologized for “having” to teach evolution. Most people in our community are creationists, including teachers. She is too. She just had a baby and recently told me that she isn’t going to vaccinate. I begged her to reconsider, but I doubt she will. Just like the pathetic woman in this video, she’s beyond reaching. It’s like racism, homophobia etc. in our culture. People can’t even see how twisted and stupid it is. Ignorance is a sign of morality. People on the side of good are creationists, “race realists” and have “family values”. Everyone else is a fool or actively working for the devil. Schools exist in the context of their communities. Teachers and administrators go to these same churches and are entrenched in the same attitudes. Creationists graduate from our schools everyday. We do need to advocate for facts to be taught in our schools, including in history, economics and government. But we’re going to have to change the wider culture before the schools have a chance to adequately educate students.
I’m in KY. My daughter’s high school Gov. and Econ. teacher is a libertarian and what he tells the kids is bullshit. We have a local community college professor who teaches that the genocide perpetrated upon native peoples was just and that they’d have just killed and enslaved each other if we didn’t do it first. We have a university professor that claims that aliens built the pyramids. (My husband had him when he was an archaeology minor.) I took a community college (accredited) early childhood development class in which it was explained to me that pregnancy through rape is a gift from God. I took a university philosophy class in which I was told that sex with contraception is sex without love. Our schools are churning out cranks. No wonder people here keep voting for Mich Mcconnell.
My point is not that schools are bad. Schools are great. I wish we had more and better schools. My point is just that if you teach a kid how to discern fantasy from reality and how to stay thirsty for knowledge that’s usually what they’ll do. That’s not how the culture here operates. People like Megan Fox train kids to shut down their minds (just as she was trained) rather than to expand them. They want kids to accept simple, ridiculous answers by confusing facts with beliefs and beliefs with morality. For a kid in a culture like that to reject the lies they are taught, they have to be able to withstand shaming and even shunning. Otherwise you can put them in a museum and they’ll respond just like Fox did. They’re trained to respond that way the same way they are trained to see liberals as the evil enemies of freedom who want to steal their daddy’s guns and make them get gay married. It would be great if when they went to school they were taught something else, but they aren’t always and when they are it’s at odds with what they have been trained to accept at home. I’m not sure how we change that.
@Jackie (#26): No doubt. You don’t even have to have schools with the issues you mention. I had a friend in high school who I know was in the same junior high biology class I was in where I first learned about evolution. I never from that point forward came across anything that justified rejecting evolution. We even went to the same church. I friended him on Facebook a while back and one of the first posts I saw was “Just got back from the Creation Museum, so great to see God’s Truth displayed for a change”, without any irony whatsoever. He graduated from Liberty University.
Same education, same church, and he ended up like that? I couldn’t process it. Then I found some more of my high school classmates online and discovered that I’m just an anomaly. But I know they were taught half way decent biology, they just ignored it, I guess. I don’t remember any church I attended mentioning Creation or evolution, but maybe I just ignored that?
It’s OK. She can have that job down at Wal-Mart and no one will know or care how ignorant she is. Just as long as she can make change of a $20 and use the scanner correctly.
I homeschool.
Fuck you for saying it should be banned. You’re as smug and ignorant as Megan Fox. If it were, my kids would still be floundering in public school hell. Odds are, they’d eventually drop out like 25% of our students do in KY. Of those who do graduate, most are unprepared for college or the workforce.
Those calling for homeschool to be banned or saying how pitiful homeschooled kids are need to get a grip on how little our public schools have to offer many of our children. Twice now I have been told “I cannot teach this child”. Twice now I have made the informed decision to homeschool. All of my kids have learning differences and three have delays that schools will not deal with. In fact, I my choice was supported by the elementary school my youngest three left, even though the local school board is anti-homeschool to the point of fraud. (You can’t get $ for butts that aren’t in the seats.) If the kids can’t keep up, they are left behind. Oh, they get passed on. They don’t have to learn in order to be scuttled on to the next grade.
My dyslexic teen is now in high school. She makes honor roll. She receives no extra time or any special help because the schools don’t offer it. (Yes, the law requires it. Ask me what difference that makes in practice.) Luckily, she can hack it anyway. She came home from high school one day and told me that many of the kids in her class had no idea what the Holocaust was. That’s not all they have not been taught, but it stands out as the most telling. We were both disgusted, but that’s how it is. She sees kids who say racist things to exchange students and “well socialized” boys telling dick jokes and talking about porn in class when the teacher leaves the classroom. There is no comprehensive sex ed in our schools, but they do tell the kids abortion is murder. So far there have bee three bomb threats in two years and one suicide per year since my daughter returned to public school. Once she saw a girl beaten so badly in the cafeteria that she had a seizure and had to be taken to the hospital. Thanks to vaporizers, kids vape their weed in class rather than waiting for 4:20.
Don’t anyone tell me that the education and “socialization” provided in my home isn’t better than that. That’s uninformed bullshit. When you have the choice between doing it yourself or not seeing something crucial to your children’s future be done, you can tell me how pitiful my kids are for receiving the best education available to them. Until then, stop acting like Fox and go learn something.
Kevin Kehres,
Claassist much?
You know that the economy is for shit, right? You know that there are people with degrees working at Wal-Marts across America, right? Maybe tone down you contempt for the working class if you want to differentiate yourself from Tea Partiers like Fox.
Come and get ’em asshole. I’m sure they’d love to go back into the system we got them out of. It’s overburdened and under funded. Around 25, 000 kids, infants and teens fill our foster homes, group homes, detention centers and institutions each year. The situation is dire. There is no more room or money for children on the receiving end of real abuse. Usually, they go back home to their abusers because what else are we going to do with them? People do not adopt from foster. Most people will never consider fostering at all.
*TRIGGER WARNING*
Ever seen a baby that has been burned with an iron or a 7 yr old girl who has been kept drugged and chained to a bed so she is easier to rape? No? Ever seen roaches crawl out of a kid’s sleeve? No? What about kids whose parents killed their pets in front of them to teach them a lesson? No?
*End Trigger*
You know what? You come snatch the ones who aren’t learning spelling by sitting in little rows in a the proper sort of building. You snatch ’em and YOU keep them at your house. You pay for their care and keeping. You look them in the eye s and tell them Mommy and Daddy had to go to jail because gym class meant rollerblading with their friends. You know best so come and get them. Lock me up for the criminal I am. Clearly I am a danger to my children.
Jesus Christ, Akira. Could you be more of a smug asshole?
The more often I am here, the more I realize how utterly ignorant of the world they live in most people are and when you combine that ignorance and denial with atheism, you get people who make Megan Fox look like a genius.
@Jackie (#29): I understand your feelings, and if my kids’ school was anything like what you describe, I’d have no choice but to find some alternative. I can’t, and won’t, say you’re making the wrong choice because what I can’t do is ask any individual to sacrifice their child for the greater good, particularly when that sacrifice will likely be ineffectual.
But I feel I’ve got to point out a couple of things: first, no one has made any of the arguments you’ve defended yourself against in this thread.
Second, I’ll go ahead and lay down the main reason I don’t like home schooling, and read this with my opening paragraph firmly in your mind, because this is all hypothetical, perfect world kind of stuff. But when people with the means, or the education, or a good home environment pull their kids out of public schools in large numbers, whether to home school, private school, or charter school, they effectively concentrate the kids from families without the means, the education, and the home environment necessary to be successful. Problems accumulate in the schools and the schools get worse and more parents pull their kids out in a vicious cycle. In a perfect world every kid would be in public school which would lead to more involved parents and more resources. Schools would get better, discipline problems could be reduced both by parents demanding a response to privileged bullies and by setting examples and providing resources for kids whose behavior suffers for other reasons. That’s the world I’d prefer to live in. Because I also know that my kids’ school is losing out on resources and suffers for the fact that parents pull their kids out to home school and private school, even though their school is pretty damned good. Some parents think that the tiniest problem makes it worth them fleeing the system, and that is how the vicious cycle begins.
Your school is clearly deep into the vicious cycle, your choices are limited and I can’t really question them because I don’t know that I wouldn’t make a similar choice in that situation. But in my hypothetical world, yes, we’d get rid of home schooling and private schools because that would make all schools better for all kids. And I do think that would actually work, it just can’t work short of literally banning home and private school.
@30 Jackie the social justice WIZZARD!!!
1. We weep about the general ignorance of the populace about sciency stuff — and that isn’t classist? Check your own privilege.
2. Bullshit. The economy is doing fine. The national jobless rate is 5.8% and declining. The stock market is at all-time highs. Corporate profits, ditto. Every economic measure you want to look at is edging into “boom” categories, with the exception of inflation. An individual’s employment circumstance is not the nation’s economy.
3. And my point still stands. The guys who did my roof didn’t care to know the ins and outs of biology. They just knew shingle-nail-nail-nail-shingle-nail-nail-nail-don’t-fall-off. The checkout lady could not tell you f=ma nor does she need to — nor does it have any relation to her being able to use the scanner and key in the code for tomatoes. The world gets along fine without everyone knowing why Darwin was right. Hell, the world got along for billions of years without knowing that and humans however long humans were around before Darwin.
Jackie,
That is wonderful that you take care of these children. You deserve credit, and lots of hugs. It sounds like both you and those advocating in this thread against homeschooling would agree that our public education needs more funding and regulation– to protect the children in school, and to limit the number of under-educated people.
Kevin,
Wait, it is classist to criticize creationists now? WTF?
Sure. The economy is great. I don’t know what is going on in my own life or in my own town. Nobody I know has to work two jobs to stay poor. Jobs aren’t drying up. No one at my local grocery stores have degrees. They must just be lying to me. Thanks for enlightening me. /s
Gusnarp,
I stopped reading when you said no one was saying, blah blah..
You either didn’t read the thread or you just lied.
I gotta go. Magic School Bus is over. Time to ruin my kids’ lives with math.
Yeah, I thought it might be the OTHER Megan Fox and I was going to volunteer to give her a proper biology lesson.
Hey, it’s rough duty but somebody’s got to do it.
Anyone else willing to put up cash that if she were tested on her knowledge of the bible she would fail spectacularly?
#34: Did your roofer lecture you on how stupid scientists are?
I guess there’s some reason why we’re supposed to care about the world, how it “gets along” or what it “knows,” without any human beings in it? If there is, what the fuck are you even talking about?
Regarding the second part, you’re sure human history all the way up until Darwin was just one “fine” event after another? Have you ever asked a historian about this theory? Again: what the fuck?
Kevin,
Wow. This is really a smug & ignorant comment. You don’t know what your roofers know, you don’t know what the checker knows (and nice way to have men and women in their ‘proper’ occupations, respectively). Especially in this shitty economy, lots of people are working jobs they might not have in better times. You don’t know if your barista has a post-graduate degree or not. And even if they didn’t, you don’t know what their personal interests are. That sort of classist and judgmental attitude is repulsive.
This is a perfectly reasonable objection — if you are using what I call the Playpen Theory of Reality. Everything in the cosmos is there for one reason and one reason only. It’s for you to use and figure out that you’re just a baby and you need to recognize, appreciate, thank, and obey God, the Parent. So God would make things simple for you.
Thus the rationale behind literal fundamentalism and the idea that the Bible was written so that a third grader can understand it. Screw Biblical scholarship. And God would make nature just that simple, too. It would all be “common sense.” Figure it out for yourself.
“Eukay — eukary — ukelele — no, this is too complicated. Who put this in the playpen? I want to read again how Adam named all the animals. That’s how science ought to be.”
birgerjohansson @21
Thank you for reminding me of Klaupatius and Trurl. I’m going to go get a copy of the Cyberiad for my iPad ( I assume there is one!?) and reacquaint myself. It’s been, oh my FSM, 35 years (is that possible????) since I read it.
Stanislaw Lem is advanced strange, and I think I need a new dose of world-class strange to help me get through the next few years. I look around and am convinced that the entire world is going to hell in a hand basket, with the country I live in leading the way, with bells on. The only hope I cling to is that literature from as far back as there is literature includes people my age concluding that the world is going to hell in a hand basket.
On the other hand, and almost completely OT, I would like to note that THIS happened in Oklahoma the other day. Hope lives.
To be fair, she does ask the right question more than once, which is “How do they know?” Unfortunately, she doesn’t seem interested in hearing the answers.
otrame, Stanislaw Lem is not only strange, he’s also hilarious. I particularly enjoyed the seventh voyage. “I reached my destination safely, thanks to the courage and resourcefulness I had displayed when only two children”.
Kevin @34,
Have you ever had a real conversation with a working class person? I can’t believe I actually have to point this out to you, but they are not a monolith of stupid. Just like people in white collar careers aren’t all smug assholes. Unfortunately, you don’t seem to have an interest in breaking from that stereotype.
The person who put up the backsplash in my kitchen talked with me in detail about the history of the Mongols while working.
Saad @47
What?!?! You mean people know things outside of their professions? Next you’ll tell me they’re real people with personalities and everything.
Doc Bill @37
I hope that I’m wrong but that reads an awful lot like “I volunteer to fuck some smarts into her……..”
Is that supposed to be a condemnation? That if something doesn’t make sense to a 3rd grader it must be wrong?
Well, at the very least, it’s “I’m willing to help the cause, but only if it means I get to look at a pretty lady! Gor blimey she’s a looker, eh, eh?” For crying out loud, do better. This ain’t Yahoo Answers.
Well, I watched the whole thing and there are some serious WTF moments that PZ didn’t mention. Like her claiming that dinosaurs are really dragons (apparently a skull of Dracorex hogwartsia, a species of Pachycephalosaur, proves it, and aren’t those scientists stupid for not getting that), or that there are cave paintings of stegosaurs that the evil scientific community suppresses.
I don’t know whether to be angry or sad by this woman, so I guess I’ll settle for both. She’s not stupid, many of her higher cognitive functions appear to work just fine. She just uses them to shield her (often unfalsifiable, and falsified where not) beliefs from reality because preserving her tender beliefs is way more important than dealing with reality as it is.
So why care? Who’s harmed if the crazy lady mocks scientists because they say dragons don’t exist? We all are. She votes (and I agree with the person upthread who predicted she will run and win office at some point), she lobbies, she influences politicians, and the attitude that (unfalsifiable or falsified) beliefs trump reality leaches into everything. It is because of people like this that we are about to get stuck with Imhofe, the senator from Oklahoma (!) who denies that humans can influence the weather, as chair of the senate environment committee. It’s because of people like her that so many people believe that oral contraceptives cause abortions, or vaccines cause autism, or witchcraft exists, or gay people caused Ebola, or a whole bunch of other false beliefs that damage other people and otherwise halt progress on fixing our problems.
It’s not that she’s uneducated. She’s uneducable, by choice. Our planet is filled with people just like her, and their choice to remain aggressively ignorant harms us all.
“And this plate glass I’m touching, it wasn’t sand. It was never sand in the beginning. It is and always has been plate glass.”
She actually believes that evolutionary biology is a bunch of “guesses off the top of their heads”. She wants videotape evidence that plants are related to green algae (which she thinks is a color category, rather than a clade). Smugly ignorant sums it up. ugh.
And now, if I may, a bit of biomicropedantry re the OP:
Also fungi, green algae, red algae, brown algae (e.g. kelp), and (arguably) slime molds.
Lots of “algae” is multicellular, though, too. And yeasts probably degenerated from the multicellular condition.
Archaea and (Eu)Bacteria are both groups of prokaryotes.
That’s well sewn-up for mitochondria and chloroplasts, but other eukaryotic features–the nucleus/nuclear envelope/endoplasmic reticulum, cytoskeleton, Gogi complex, etc.–are not obviously of endosymbiotic origin (though it’s one hypothesis).
I’m leaving something in the Thunderdome for Akira.
She reads a scientific explanation, but she has already concluded that it’s nonsense. She says, single cell blah blah blah … she’s not interested in learning, she’s closed minded. She doesn’t want to know what careful scientific research has been revealing for decades. She’d rather believe in astrology than listen to astronomy.
Why did she even bother to go to the museum? She’s like a kid in school who can’t be bothered to listen to the teacher because she knows it’s all BS. So she makes it to adulthood with huge gaps in her knowledge and understanding of the world. But in her mind, it’s the world’s fault, not hers.
I’ve seen many people like this. They just know that their ignorance is as valid as your knowledge.
Doc Bill @37 –
Huge EW! Gack and gag.
Jebus was my Dog @ 49 – Exactly, my friend. And again ew!
Kevin Kehres @ 28 –
Your relentless classist comments repulse me. Sometimes I think, “Hey, ol’ Kev’s almost got it! Awww, no, he doesn’t. Aww, no, he still doesn’t get it. Aw, he’ll never get it.”
I’ll give you an anecdote. I scored the highest in the German language test and in the Math test in Arizona for two years in a row! I also only missed one question on my SAT. Awesome! I must be going on to great things. Except my mom was poor. But I got several scholarship offers! But my mom was poor. I had to go to work. To support my siblings. No question, feed my sister and brothers, or go to university. So I worked at K-Mart. (My dad was not paying support, which could have alleviated this problem.)
You seem to think only stupid people work at Wal-Mart. I think you haven’t met very many people not in your bubble.
Also, Jackie the social justice WIZZARD!!!
You are awesome! You are doing more than your fair share of lifting humanity and I would like to recognize you.
I think many people don’t even get that where you live in the U.S is a huge privilege. And moving is prohibitive. Especially with children you’re caring for. I stand in awe of you.
Don’t. :-)
Fossil soils are a thing, BTW.
Huh. That’s a new one. *headdesk*
Over here the schools are much better than in the US; homeschooling is banned, but private schools (while heavily regulated) are not.
Before you can consider banning homeschooling, you have to make it unnecessary.
You’re aware you’re talking about the Land of the Working Poor, right?
And even in Europe, where the minimum wage is generally more reasonable and has way fewer (if any) exceptions, so it’s not normal to have 2 or 3 jobs, many taxi drivers have academic degrees.
*lightbulb moment*
I thought that was the consensus? Many of them aren’t unicellular in the first place but form hyphae, and they’re ascomycetes, more closely related to many edible mushrooms than many other edible mushrooms are.
I watched it up until the firs time she said, “it makes no sense”, and all I could think of was this…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwdba9C2G14
I have a PhD in Biology from the University of California and 20 years experience teaching college classes but worked in the garden department of Home Depot for 6 months. Shit happens.
why is it that people like her have a problem with this concept, but none at all with the fact that they were literally once single-celled organisms, in their own lifetime?
why is it so hard to believe one cell can become many and differentiate, when they have THEIR OWN FUCKING BODY as proof that it indeed happens?
hogwarstia?
did she say that or did you?
if she did… makes me wonder how many times she’s been punked.
surprise:
Bakker, R. T., Sullivan, R. M., Porter, V., Larson, P. and Saulsbury, S.J. (2006). “Dracorex hogwartsia, n. gen., n. sp., a spiked, flat-headed pachycephalosaurid dinosaur from the Upper Cretaceous Hell Creek Formation of South Dakota.” in Lucas, S. G. and Sullivan, R. M., eds., Late Cretaceous vertebrates from the Western Interior. New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science Bulletin 35, pp. 331–345.
She’s not stupid but she is pig-headed. She reviews children’s picture books Her review of Just Passing Through about Sojourner Truth is kind of odd. (Not what I’d expect from a creationist tea-partier). As is her review of The Very First Americans which repeats her smug self righteousness (I guess the Field Museum brings it out in her). It’s very sad to see a not completely intelligence-free person squander what little intelligence she has as she does.
Wow, this video almost perfectly illustrates that Kurt Vonnegut line:
“The big trouble with dumb bastards is that they are too dumb to believe there is such a thing as being smart.”
*Sigh* There are universities. And these universities have libraries. And these libraries have stacks and stacks of books and journals and these stacks and stacks of thousands and millions of books and journal articles are … Oh. *sigh*. It’s just so sad sometimes.
yup. color me surprised.
I swear, people just fucking abuse the idea of using latin to name things any more.
yeah. Not so much punked as Bakkered.
A perfect example of egnorance, a word which combines arrogance with ignorance, and was inspired by the egnorant Michael Egnor, creationist neurosurgeon.
That’s interesting. Is that because the cells of a prokaryotic colony don’t specialize? Or is it some other reason?
Kevin Kehres
Bullshit.
Which says shit-all about how many people are underemployed (millions) and/or underpaid for the jobs they do (most Americans fall into this category). Not to mention ignoring the rising costs of housing, food, and healthcare, stagnant wages, etc. ad nauseum
Who gives a rat’s ass? The performance of the stock market means jack shit to the lives of 99.9% of Americans. Indeed, the performance of the stock market is basically completely divorced from anything to do with the real economy, that which involves the transfer of goods an services between individuals. The price of stock is an arbitrary number which measures nothing but the gullibility of the moneyed class.
This is a bad thing, not a good one. Corporate profits being high means that workers are getting the shaft. And consumers too.
And wages. And employment (see above). And personal and household wealth. And infrastructure spending. In fact, every economic measure that I want to look at is looking like total crap.
No. The nation’s economy is the nation’s economy, and it is in the shitter right now.
There’s multiple levels of stupidity and arrogance in the bit about not being able to pronounce eukaryotic, too.
Not being able to pronounce an unfamiliar word is not such a bad thing, but to film the conversation about how to pronounce it and leave that bit in the finished video is ridiculous.
Homeschooled person over here and I’d like to second the Fuck You from Jackie above.
This is why I really don’t like using the word “ignorant” to describe these people.
A few years back we Gnu’s were fencing with Accommodationists who claimed “Oh! Religion and science can get along swimmingly together. These people are just ignorant because they haven’t been properly taught what evolution actually is. If we could get some rock star scientists to to dumb it down for the masses without resorting to big words, funny charts, or any implications that science challenges their, then they’ll come around.”
Well, as far as I can tell, I see no references to religion and these exhibits can’t get much more dumbed-down without resorting to monosyllables. The information is being presented and she is getting a proper education of what evolution actually is. “Ignorance” should no longer be an issue., nor should it be in this age of public libraries and the Internet.
Yet, she still vocally and angrily denies it.
The liberal religion-snugglers (be they theists on non-theists) probably won’t get this, but issue is ideology or–dare I say it–religion, not a lack of knowledge. It’s not that this woman doesn’t know what evolution actually is, but it’s that she doesn’t. Like it. The exact same thing can be said about climate science. (You listening out there, Chris Monney, you fucking twit?!)
You want to fight Creationism? You want to fight climate change denial? That’s means you have to abandon your high-minded, hippy-dippy views of love and tolerance and free speech/religion, get down into the trenches and start fighting the Culture War for blood, rather than pretending that popular religious and political opinion somehow doesn’t matter. (i.e. “Let’s not talk about “family values,” gays or abortion like the GOP does! It’s the economy, stupid.”) This applies not just to evolution, or AGW, but the public’s views of about race, gender, economics, etc..
We need to stop claiming that all views are valid, and that everyone is entitled to live or think as they choose. We need to start acting as if reality and our goals are superior to the regressives that oppose us. We need to start using whatever power we have–up to and including government force–to mold and shape society into what it needs to be*, not what it wants.
*Yes, we DO know what’s best for you. So shut the fuck up and do as we tell you, or else.
“Personal incredulity refutes nothing.”
I feel compelled to append to that statement just a bit:
And when that personal incredulity is actually caused by a very willfully arrogant form of ignorance
you have someone who is totally incapable of ever learning anything about science.
A friend passed this to me earlier today.
People so arrogantly impervious to reality actually frighten the shit out of me.
I knew a guy like that. Anything he was unfamiliar with could just not possibly be. We never talked evolution/creation, it was usually tech stuff.
Quick example – he stopped by to see my brand new 1984 audio-video system. Tried the remote, didn’t work.
I pointed out that it was infrared and he had to aim it. He was used to ultrasonic remotes, which would change channel up/down, etc but thats about it.
I tried to explain digitally encoded light, that infrared was far superior, could do far more… but no… his old remote worked through walls, so this new thing was GARBAGE and BULLSHIT.
Would not accept it.
Same thing over and over. Anything new, his response was a stock sarcastic and dismissive “I never heard of THAT.” which meant that it couldn’t be, you were wrong, it was bad, false. Trash. stupid.
For some people, the fear of the unknown is so strong that learning is the most frightening possible thing instead of what for many of the rest of us feels like the best, the only damned reason to BE HERE.
I didn’t watch the video. I didn’t need to. The reviews was enough to protect my brain cells from this cesspool of stupidity.
Stephen Brown @74:
Hear, hear! I put mine in Thunderdome, where Jackie continued her fabulosity.
She has several other videos that are just as bad.
She is also a columnist on another web site. She has a very funny column called
3 Excruciating Reasons Not to Cheat on Your Wife
Here are the reasons
3. You could break your penis.
2. You could go broke.
1. Your lover might go to the tabloids and say really embarrassing crap.
Go here to read all the gory details.
http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2013/09/20/3-excruciating-reasons-not-to-cheat-on-your-wife/?singlepage=true
@ Kevin Kehres
You are one classist motherfucking asshole. Fuck you and the genius high horse you rode in on.
@ random others
Your intellectual superiority is fucking nauseating. It’s one thing to be fed up with willfully obtuse creationists and willfully obtuse racists, etc; their intentional ignorance merits every bit of derision that comes their way. However, the incessant use of the words stupid, dumb, idiotic, etc. of people who may not be as intellectually gifted as you may be makes you deserving of contempt of epic proportions. How you keep getting away with it on this blog, and have for years, is beyond me and beggars belief.
Oh, and the general classist shit that gets spewed here is also detestable. We are still picking on people for working at Walmart? Or using lower-class job positions as a completely acceptable way of ridiculing people? What in the fucking holy hell? I’m not even going to take the time to explain why these things matter. If you don’t get it then you are as intentionally obtuse as the creationists we love to scorn and I simply don’t want to waste my time teaching you what you should already get.
One more thing because I’m feeling fucking feisty goddammit: Akira, I seriously hope that you were being hyperbolic when you suggested that kids should be taken away from parents who refuse to send their kids to public school and that homeschooling should be illegal. I fear you were not.
@ Jackie, THANK YOU for doing right by your kids and taking them OUT of public school when you could see that they were suffering there and THANK YOU for speaking up about that and rebutting Akira’s ridiculous arguments. (I didn’t read further because I got too angry and decided to post instead so I have no idea how the rest of the debate went.)
OK class, sharing time! Here is a list of words you can use instead of ablelist, intellectually superior words like dumb, stupid, idiotic:
vapid
absurd
ridiculous
inane
banal
trite
asinine
ludicrous
That’s just few from the top of my head; no doubt this handy dandy little invention called a thesaurus would provide you with a vast and rich selection of vocab you can use if you’re feeling like you can’t come up with more creative pejoratives than stupid and dumb. Get creative folks and stop using classist and ableist language!
If you continue into the video, there’s the line (parapharasing) “I don’t want them teaching my kids that. Can’t they just say ‘we don’t know, and it’s ok to not know’?”
It makes me so mad because THAT IS WHAT SCIENCE DOES! Science says “Here’s what’s probable, here’s what’s possible, here’s what we don’t know yet”. It’s religion that claims to have all the answers.
Dalillama, Schmott Guy
Some guy named Adam Smith agrees with you.
Akira MacKenzie, #75:
I think it can work, but people do often get the wrong idea. It’s not simply that you don’t know something, but more literally that you ignore things (which you probably should know). And in place of the stuff you’re ignoring, you invent a lot more. David Dunning, of the Dunning-Kruger effect, wrote something recently that expressed this pretty well:
The whole article is certainly worth reading, but the idea there is a good one to keep in mind for a lot of reasons. People don’t just walk around with some kind of a gap in their brains, neurons just waiting to be filled with some new factual information that they’re specifically meant to encode. A brain “fills up” with whatever junk it can get its nasty little paws on; and that junk can serve to replace the real, factual knowledge you ought to have. You think you know all about evolution and how nonsensical it is, but you really don’t. What you’re thinking there isn’t simply an absence of knowledge or of anything else — it’s a real thing that’s driving you to that mistaken conclusion, and the problem (one of them) is that you consider that thing knowledge.
Jackie:
Fuck freedom.
Freedom is what’s screwing up this world; freedom of speech allows people to lie, freedom of religion allows people to spread lies, free enterprise and free trade create poverty and pollution, etc.. Give people a choice, and they will always make the wrong choice. (e.g. Ms. Megan Fox, above)
Enough fucking freedom! Freedom is chaos! Freedom is crime. We need order. We need control. We need law. We need the state to provide these things because we sure as fuck aren’t going to get them from the private sector and definitely not by amateurs. We the need our civilization run by experts who have all of humanity’s interests at heart.. We need to end the bullshit of “limited government” and have a strong state that is operated by the best and brightest who have the power to fix the world’s problems without interference..
I don’t give a shit what any one individual wants. I give a shit about what the whole of humanity needs. Just as believe in complusory vaccinations for all children with harsh penalties for parents who refuse, I believe is compulsory, secular, public education for all children. It’s for everyone’s good and we should not suffer a society of libertarian illiterates, like Ms Fox.
If that means squashing your ability to homeschool, so be it.
Akira MacKenzie #86
Posting while drunk is really a bad idea.
Who decides which ‘experts’ get to decide what is best for ‘humanity’?
Akira, you are being so irrational that I am now nearly certain that you are being hyperbolic for the sake of…what trolling for lols?
Because if your self-righteous soliloquy weren’t just hyperbole I’d have to conclude that you are an incredibly rabid jackass of a very high order.
I’m not drunk. I don’t drink.
I’m fed up.
I’m fed up with stupidity. I’m fed up with the greed. I’m fed up with religion. I’m fed up with capitalism. I’m fed up with racism, sexism, and homophobia. I’m fed up with chaos. I’m fed up with a society that allows and protects religion, capitalism, racism, sexism, and homophobia. I’m fed up with libertarianism. I’m fed up with the private sector. I’m fed up with “limited government.” I’m fed up this whole messed up planet; a world turned to shit because we let morons do whatever they want instead of telling them “no” and punishing them when they disobey the people who know better.
Most of all, I’m fed with people who think they’re smarter than or just as equipped as the experts.
To turn a phrase; Somebody’s got to stand up to amateurs.
Akira MacKenzie
I think you may want to define ‘expert’.
I think you may want to look at ‘government enforcement’ in Fergeson.
And why did that oinker kill Micheal Brown? Because our “freedom-loving” society allows people to be racist rather than punishing them for being bigots! I’m sure this wasn’t the first time Wilson exercised has gotten away with exercising his white privilege.
The problem is not authority. The world NEEDS authority NOW more than ever. It’s just that the wrong people (i.e. capitalist, theist pigs) have authority rather than the right people (i.e. socialist atheists). No amount of democracy will put the right people into power because humanity in general is greedy, superstitious, and have the freedom to act upon that superstition and greed.
I’m done. I’m done with with this pile of shit country. I’m done with humanity. I’m done with everything.
Or how about setting educational standards and making sure that all children are educated to that standard? Who the everloving fuck thinks that they have the right to dictate to others how they will be allowed to educate their children? You really need to check yourself Akira and stop making these violent pronouncements based on projection.
Sorry, that should be “Michael Brown.” I’m so angry right now, I can’t see straight.
Well.
That makes it OK.
And who get’s the set and enforce those standards? The self-interested, for-profit, businesses? The oh-so enlightened churches? The font of wisdom that is the average American citizen?
Who the everloving fuck thinks they have he right to dictate “educational standards and making sure that all children are educated to that standard?”
For that matter, who the everloving fuck thinks they have he right to dictate whether murder, rape, and theft are crimes and those who commit said crimes should be punished?
Akira,
You realize that progressive atheists are a very small minority in the US (and worldwide)? If the government had more control and was more restrictive of freedom and expression, it is almost certainly us that will suffer, not religious conservatives.
Uh, derived just powers from the consent of the governed?
woozy:
So if the governed consented to make murder, rape, and theft legal, that’s would be just peachy?
Sorry, there are things that are too important to put up for a vote.
honest question:
if it was that way for at least a generation… what would prompt you to think it wasn’t peachy?
I swear, it’s painful watching anarchists paint themselves into corners.
@ Akira
Oh, I see. Better living through authoritarianism. As long as it’s the “right” authority. Akira-stan.
But it’s all for the greater good. It always is.
Fuck, I’m so tired of this.
Furthermore, given our dire needs, why do we need the consent of the governed to do the right thing, especially when the governed are so content to do the wrong thing? Why do we need to wait for consent to fix global warming? Raise the minimum wage and taxes on the rich?
Capitalism and environmental destruction are ruining the world. We don’t have time to for the majority to accept the economic and ecological reality before it drives us to extinction. We either forces change upon humanity, or we die.
Oh boo-fucking-hoo. Civilization is falling apart and you’re worried about whether or not enough of the greedy, superstitious masses officially agree to stop its collapse?
And I’m tired of seeing humanity refuse to do what needs to be done because it allegedly offends some mythological being or cuts into the bottom line of some billionaire asshole.
Around 9:10 in the video:
Well, Megan Fox and I agree on one thing here.
;-)
There are a number of things on the video that really annoy me:
Firstly, if I’m not much mistaken, when PZ visited the Creation Museum he was not allowed to comment on the untruths that permeated the exhibits. Yet this woman is not confronted at any point. It is so hypocritical to take advantage of such a stimulating and well laid out exhibition, when the CM wouldn’t allow any dissent.
As mentioned above: she starts asking the right question (How do scientists know this?) but jumps straight to the conclusion that they’re making it all up.
The whole thing is like someone going round an art gallery saying how terrible the paintings are and how they could do better themselves but having not one artistic bone in their body.
As she comes to the first hominids, ca 25:10 :
Comedy gold.
I would go one further than this and state that, even if they get a lot right, there is **no way** of knowing what alternate history, or other nonsense they might teach, like.. libertarianism, for example. Better, sadly, for everyone to be all equally stupid, due to a failure of a universal education to match some aspect of reality (this can and will happen), but for that to be *correctable*, than to have whole swaths of the population be stupid, because no one knows what they are actually being taught, and no one can thus fix the problems.
Akira and Kagehi, you two scare me. Especially Akira. How in the holy hell did such bizarre notions creep into your head? I wish you would fuck off and stop frothing at the mouth about such absurdities.
Akira,
Why , your experts. Didn’t you just say that a couple of comments before?
I know foaming at the mouth must be making typing difficult, but at least try following your own line of argument.
@Kitty Byrne #83
What she means by “It’s okay not to know” is different from what we mean by “it’s okay not to know.” We mean “If we don’t, know, fine- let’s find out!”. What she means is, “We don’t know, now stop wondering and get to church.”
I did watch the whole thing. For me, her discussion of the early hominid/human exhibits was the ultimate face palm and an additional reveal of her world view: Starting 25:32 “It’s a fantasy, like dragons…it isn’t real” and when dismissing a Neanderthal skeleton, her insistence that “nobody considers it could just be people with big foreheads, you know, how Eastern Europeans have deep brows and deep-set eyes…” Ignorant AND racist, wow, that never happens….
After some sleep and sometime to calm down and think, I realize I’m been acting stupid, stubborn, and more than a little insane.
Not unlike the subject of this post.
I especially wish to apologize to Jackie. I’m sorry that my comments hurt her. I will endeavor to to be a bit more thoughtful before I start flapping my figurative gums again.
Akira Post 92:
Ever since Plato certain political Scientists have dreamed about the rule of experts, “philosophers” etc, and the horrible danger of the “rabble” actually having real power. It i8s rather interesting that some American Conservatives quite openly want an American Democracy in which those that “know” will have real power and the “democratic” forms will be so much empty theatre.
The sad truth is that we’ve had rule by “experts” and the results have been all too often terrible. From the reign of the Thirty Tyrants in Athens (404-403 B.C.E.), rule by the “enlightened experts” has all to frequently been very effective at corpse production. The idea that rule by “experts” will be enlightened etc., is a nice delusion but a delusion. Sooner or later this elite starts acting for its own advantage, just like the several thousand years of Aristocracies in places like China, India and Europe.
In the twentieth century we had the rule of so-called “Socialist Atheists”. I myself would dispute calling them Socialist. Further their “faith” was just has fanatical and dogmatic has any Religious “faith”. This elite thought it was composed of “experts” who knew what was to be done for every bodies “best interest”. Of course in country after country these elites soon started acting in their own “best” interests. Further in many places they manufactured corpses by the millions.
I do not trust elites for a moment to have unquestioned power. To me the problem is that under modern conditions Democracy is in fact drained of much of its Democratic content enabling self-serving elites to set the tone to a large extent. We need more not less democracy. Although frankly we aren’t likely to get it anytime soon.
No, but anything without the consent of the governed is both untenable and immoral. I would have thought that was self-evident.
I don’t want to be platitudinous but the fascism you advocate is simply evil, almost by definition. You are a *very* scary human being.
And after thinking about it, I realize I was wrong. I have this nasty habit of clinging onto whatever particular line of reasoning quite stubbornly, especially when I’m feeling angry and frustrated.
I’ve been feeling that a lot lately.
Akira MacKenzie @ 92
As much as I dislike quoting Churchill, he did have a point when he said;
Democracy is still the ‘least bad’ of the available systems of governence. Before we could even talk about doing anything else, we would have to find an alternative system of authority that didn’t result in vastly more death, suffering and oppression than democracy, and every alternative tried – theist so called ‘god guided’ government, totalitarian and authortarian systems from both the Right and Left of the political spectrum, technocracies, feudal societies – has dismally failed this test at a terrible cost is lives lost and ruined.
The second you disenfranchise the majority and try to put absolute power, unfettered by the need for any mandate, into the hands of the ‘right’ minority you create a fatally flawed system that cannot help but breed oppression and abuse of power no matter who winds up in charge. And all because Lord Acton’s old aphorism is in fact true – Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.
If that sovereign authority is dispersed amongst an electorate, then no individual voter holds enough power to be dangerous, and those who are elected to wield power on behalf of the demos do so knowing that their power is only temporarily granted, and its maintenance is contingent upon returning to the elctorate to have their mandate renewed at regular intervals, thus mitigating the risk of the unassailable retrenchment of politcal authority in the hands of ruling elites and the inevitable abuses that follow. Those checks and balances may be inadequate, but no other system offers any meaningfulk checks and balances at all.
Ultimately, non-democratic systems of authority still have all the same problems of corruption and the abuse of power that democratic one’s do, only magnified because there is no need to even maintain the illusion that the ordinary citizen has any say in the running of society.
Damn it, Greenwood, read all the way to the end of the thread before posting in future – apologies Akira MacKenzie.
Conservatives damn well **do not** want experts in charge, unless its someone they are paying to express the “expert” opinions they want to be true. The point of a universal standard of education, something which every modern country **other** than the US actually has, oddly enough, in one form or another, is for there to be no rabble, but a nation of, if not equals, then at least as near to equal as possible, lest the same “rabble” is misled and driven to stupid actions, and bad choices, as a direct result of their ignorance, and the maleficence of those they “elect” to supposedly represent them. An ignorant populous is rabble, and they get exactly the government they deserve for it. The solution to this is not to let every clown with an opinion decide what the facts are, which things are and are not true, what science is real, or unreal, etc. That leads to exactly what we are seeing now in some parts of the US, and which conservative continually strive for, by promoting the destruction of public education, denial of equality in voting, in pay, in choices, and every other thing they can control, to their own favor – representatives elected on the basis of what the rabble is told to believe, or they wish to believe, or hope may be true, and which can, because they know the rabble have no concept of reality, lead said rabble anyplace, in any direction, and to any conclusion they wish.
I have no interest in ruling over rabble, or seeing such a thing come to pass. What I, and everyone else that believe in government by the best knowledge available, electing from among ***anyone*** who qualifies, is trust of the experts, by the rest, because they know enough to tell them apart from the con artists. That they know enough to tell who is more likely to be speaking the truth, not merely charismatically, and with passion. That there will be no rabble to be misled.
The goal of the one claiming that we are “ranting” is to do what? Allow the stupid and ignorant to be elected, hope that the rabble will somehow work out that they have been duped, based on an education that need not even involve accurate math, never mind science, or history. The, we just let the chips fall, sort of like Libertarians and their insane, “The market will fix itself, even if it kills a lot of people in the process!”, bullshit?
How do you even get, “Make everyone as equal as you can.”, and turn it into, “Leave all the rabble so gullible they will allow elites, who have all the knowledge and power, and are assumed infallible, to do what ever they want.”? Because, I am pretty sure, “informed people” don’t let that kind of shit happen. But the uninformed, mislead, brainwashed, etc., who disdain understanding, pick and choose what to learn, if anything, and remain satisfied with the world as they imagine it works, rather than seeking to make it better…
“They don’t want you to know that people have seen creatures like these. You’ll notice there are no cave paintings of dinosaurs here.”.
Duh. I’s because there are no cave paintings of dinosaurs.
Watching this was so incredibly painful and disturbing especially when thinking about the fact that this woman is influencing young people.
But,… you said two right things: this is chaos and it is everything wrong. The problem is that would be worst if some human could impose order and fixing everything. Ants and bees already did it and they have the explanation why we can’t do that. Any system that gets the ordered state by itself, every part are slaves of the system ans eternally stupid, included the queen. Because the system becomes a closed system, closing doors to evolution, and will last till be discarded by Nature.
We are product of a chaotic biosphere which is product of a perfect ordered astronomic machine. There is a possible explanation: slow entropy when the discarded bits from periphery are falling into the center, collapsing. Meeting at planets’ surfaces these bits installs the chaos from where will lift also slowly, the flow of order – and the generator machine will be reproduced at that surface. The ants and bees social systems are exactly working copies of these stellar and galactic systems, and like the later, they are condemned forever.
Then, the best we can do is merely watching the chaos becoming slowly an ordered state, naturally? There is no way to avoid the mechanistic “Brave New World”, because this is the best accommodation searched by every human body. Is is necessary to accommodate the body for the health and evolution of “mind” or “consciousness”. This is the reproduction of our surrounding astronomical machine, the body needs to be synchronized with it for being happy.
What we need to avoid is the complement of this terrestrial machine: the Orwellian “Big Brother”. Which is wrong in the name: it is Big Queen, like the star and the bees’ queen. And, I think, the experts that you suggest should be the government, will be just that.
Our problem is that we are two-in-one: a body and a mind. What’s the perfect world for the body, is the bad world for the mind. But with intelligence we could solve this problem: let the stupid and mechanist Brave New World be installed, but, never, the Big Brother ( Queen). An d our mind will not fail slave, will be free for going out and conquering the Cosmos.
Fox would be right if do not exists in the scientific literature the mechanism that makes a single cell producing a microfilm and from it a system that is the largest and most complex copy of the cell itself, as were the steps from cyanobacteria to eukaryotic and from them, to multicellulars. If anyone knows a link to this mechanism, please let me know. While not appear such a mechanism, I will expose this mechanism as it is suggested in the Matrix / DNA Theory.
In two jumps in the evolution of life – the passage of cyanobacteria to eukaryotes to multicellular, there were before the events, two bursts with sudden increases of oxygen in the atmosphere. What has to do oxygen with evolutionary leaps of biological systems? The answer is in the RNA/DNA, it was scheduled in RNA and DNA. And as biological RNA / DNA is an evolutionary product of a universal Matrix, which is a simple formula, means that was already programmed in the Matrix. Looking at this formula for searching this “programming”, and how it works, soon I found the answer.
Oxygen is atomic number 8, that is, has 8 particles or 8 systemic functions. The Matrix/s formula, perfect and complete, has 7 functions. This may mean two things: 1) the added one proton of oxygen can enhance F7, which is the final product of the entropy of the system and which produces its death. 2) Oxygen 8 can strengthen F1. It all depends on which side the oxygen enters the system, if is closer to F7 or to F1.
At the beginning of life, their biological systems were still dominantly closed in themselves, due to genetic inherited directly from the ancestor closed system ( the astronomical system to which Earth’s belongs to). So cyanobacteria formed as closed systems and managed to remain so for nearly 1.5 billion years, preventing the advance of evolution. About 1.6 billion years ago there was a sudden loading of oxygen in the atmosphere, which means that those cyanobacterias were heavily bombarded by oxygen. With that charged the RNA and / or DNA in one of its nitrogenous bases – one that is F7 – what did break the circuit of the formula at that point, preventing the automatic recycling of closed systems. And so came a move towards opened systems, which formed a micro-film and then modeled this colony as a projection of itself, generating a new larger and more complex system. The so-called “eukaryotic”.
Important to note that the formula of the Matrix / DNA contains within itself the self-correcting mechanism of evolution: itself self-corrects when your “horse” takes a wrong direction towards becoming closed system, causing its opening and ushering it to the right path of evolution. This is noticed when we realize that the very cyanobacteria produced oxygen, which functioned as a feedback broker, returning upon itself to fix it.
Your DNA/Matrix doesn’t exist except as a delusion in your mind. Quit trolling old threads. It makes you look desperate and ever so much a crank.
No agendas/religions here, Nerd. Stay in the topic. What’s wrong with this mechanism, how you can probe it, or which is the proved known mechanism of DNA’s self-correction and which is the mechanism for transformation/evolution from single celled organisms to multicelled ones…
You claim eye cells in microbes, which have single cells. NO THIRD PARTY EVIDENCE PRESENTED. You claim all light is unique, where science says is is a boson, and all light of the same wavelength and polarity are the same. NO THIRD PARTY EVIDENCE FOR THAT CLAIM.
Another claim:
Another claim, using words from the quantum level to apply to everyday objects, which don’t follow quantum mechanics, but classical mechanics. ALL CLAIMED WITHOUT ONE CITATION TO THE PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE.
Time to show honesty and integrity. If you have honesty and integrity, either put up the citations to the peer reviewed scientific literature, or shut the fuck up. If you can’t put up, and won’t shut up, you show with prima facie evidence you are nothing but liar and bullshitter. Your choice cricket. To date, every time you prove you lie and bullshit. Try something different.
Oh ffs…
Popcorn for everyone!
Someday, someone will create a program that can do things like this. We should try to be ready for that.
louismorelli, you are useless to anyone that genuinely wants to know things about brains, minds, and now the origin of life itself. I’ve spent five years reading about what is in my head. A thing that has historically been tied to demon possession. You want chaos? I only wish I could give you a look in my head. You have provided NOTHING of any real use to anyone and I know what the useless chaos of the mind looks like on a professional level. I murder my own thoughts on a regular basis. You appear to have little in the way of quality control so I am curious. How do you determine if you are wrong?
You could still be an extremely skilled troll though. If so you have my utmost respect for this.
If not, you are responding to real emotions, but those can be tied to so many things. We are awful at perusing things simply on emotion (or really fucking interesting based on the second link). I think it’s time to have some fun…
I’ll stick with your comment at 121 for now.
First your conclusion,
What the fuck is a “perfect world for the body”? Given your context that seems to be a bad thing, it’s set opposed to the “bad world for the mind”. And what about this “good world of the mind” implied by this mess? Lets descend farther into madness that perfectly normal minds are capable of achieving.
The first fucking paragraph and there is so much wrong with this.
*A slave is a human concept involving forcing one of our own to be property. Ants evolved to have the behavior they do. I have no reason to believe that the order ants experience has anything to do with slavery. Holy fuck that is an offensive analogy.
*Ants evolve. Therefore your analogy fails on another level, you have no link to demonstrate this “bad closed system”.
So already you references to a queen and a slave in your conclusion are fucked. But let’s continue. Just for shits and giggles.
*Describe this “perfect machine” in more detail. Nature deals in things that are merely good enough.
*Describe these “discarded bits” in more detail.
No, seriously. You have to do this. I just read a paper describing evidence for the ribosome being a vestigial genome in terms of evolution. That had some detail. If you can’t provide me detail I am quite justified in simply telling everyone necessary that you are nothing but a pile of empty and coincidental symbolic associations. Full of empty calories and no nutritional value.
*Without knowing what you mean by “astronomical machine” and “Brave New World” outside of your metaphors (which are supposed to accompany physical observations, not replace them) nothing else can be believed.
*Describe this “synchronicity” in detail and tell me how it relates to, lets say the anatomical differences in Toruette’s Syndrome, and don’t spare the details with respect to consiousness. I think a hell of a lot about that one. Hurry now! It’s the twentieth century and if you can’t deliver you will be lost in the chaos of modern society because you are fucking useless to your fellow human beings.
This last bit has so little to do with your conclusion in any terms that let anyone get outside of your head in relation to your conclusion. I hope this is actually a continuation of “Battlefield Earth”. I might actually watch this one.
*I have no reason to avoid anything that you simply assert via clumsy and error filled analogy to ants.
*After you justify your ant analogy with some observed facts connected to the world that have something to do with an actual biology/cosmology link we can look into this “Big Brother” and “Big Queen”. Seriously, I have no idea how you got from cosmological phenomena that gave rise to the earth and lif,e to ant queens and government survalence.
I could chain nursery rhymes together and come up with a more compelling fantasy. If you can’t start giving me sources outside of your overactive symbolic function you will end up in the same historical dustbin as the Timecube guy.
Nerd
Why are you doing this?
louismorelli has said overandoverandoverandover that he does not care about peer review or THIRD PARTY EVIDENCE!!!
Why do you keep asking him?
You too, Brony.
@chigau
It’s just too fascinating. This is a form of the basis of so much irrational garbage.
Still, if their presence becomes too much I can respect that.
Brony (and Nerd)
It really seems to be only me that is sick to puke of louismorelli.
Carry on, have fun.
I also am sick of this guy. I have been ignoring his drivel, but dang, I am tired of seeing the same trite tripe trotting in endless loops of lunacy. Kudos to anybody who wades through enough to even respond.
Louismorelli, you aren’t even wrong. You are just rambling and raving and ranting. You don’t make enough sense for me to even engage in discussion. You aren’t doing any good for yourself here. Tell yourself that we are all close-minded illiterates, and go away.
Do you see? You have always escaped from the topic. The topic here is evolution from single celled to multicelled organisms and the mechanism of self-correction. If you have doubts, go back reading my last post. And instead showing yours theory about, or any real natural fact debunking the suggested in my post, you bring on out-topic issues like “eyes in microbe” and “light is unique”. ?!!! What are you doing here?! To me it seems that you are not able to read and think any other world view than yours one, that you does not know the topic and you need to advocate an ideology. Prove me wrong.
Who said such stupidity like “eye cells in microbe”? Bring on here where you read that? Why I need to explain that I am not talking about the perceived light, but about the light as carrier of energy and is the energy that manifests the effects I am talking about? Do I need to repeat high school text book every time I described an issue from Matrix/DNA approach? You don’t know that light is the carrier of energy? Do I need mention third parts here? Oh… com’on…
AND… WHY ARE YOU SO DISHONEST HERE?
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Nerd: Another claim ( from Louis Morelli):
You are a liar! I never wrote that. See here what I wrote:
Ariaflame, have you noticed that yours own body changes its energetic states ( charges) over time due yours body is rolling under the life’s cycle process? If so, why and how Nature produced this phenomena that you can see here and now? By magics?
It is different. You took words from a post or phrase and mixed it with other post/phrase for selling the idea that the author is stupid. Vortexes and spinning has not to see with body changing energetic states. It is two topics different. Don’t do that again, I am watching you…
Louis Morelli. Your fuckwittery will be refuted every time you post here.
You are unable to present third party evidence to back up your claims, therefore they are dismissed as gibberish.
Evolution will only be replaced by BETTER SCIENCE. Your gibbish isn’t and never will be science until you can cite the peer reviewed scientific literature to back up your claims.
Since you can’t do that, all you have is crank gibberish trying to pretend you have a deep idea, instead of incoherent nonsense.
Take your gibberish on the road. Nobody here is fooled by your blather.
This is a scientific argument, not a philosophical argument. You have evidence, cite the peer reviewed scientific literature. If you can’t/won’t, you are nothing but a crank spewing gibberish.
Now, where the fuck is your evidence from legitimate sources OUTSIDE OF YOURSELF.
You are totally wrong here, Brony. There is mental chaos in absence of a cosmic-vision based in unique logical line that furnishes all links for connecting all data from the Big Bang to what’s seen here and now – like are all my thoughts linked by Matrix/DNA cosmic view. I had this mental chaos at my enfant time after reading all philosophies, religions and scientific disciplines but the jungle and brute Nature had fixed it because there you need to put yours feet on the soil if not you will not survive. Is seems to you that this abrupt avalanche of Nature’s interpretation – totally different from everything you saw before – are not logically connected, but it is yours mistake. It is very complex for you understanding it in one year…
Any person that want to know about brains, mind, origins of life ( glup… I already said here: there was no origins of life) , will not get the right thing if not understanding cosmological evolution, natural systems and the existence of Matrix/DNA. Useless has been all world views till now, included the academic world view that was inserted in your had by universities, which, after thousands years fighting for understanding these things, have got nothing, merely random data from reductionism. But while you are not able to connect those millions data in a big unique functional picture, you will continuing in this way: knowing nothing about the subtle working of brains, mind and what has brought life to this lost planet… Matrix/DNA is very easy because it translate nature and nature is easy to understand, but those that have the mind away off the beam due wrong world views ( like creationists), will have hard times for grasping what matrix/DNA is telling.
Fixed that for you LM. Your idea isn’t scientific, and doesn’t do anything to refuted evolution. You have nothing but your own delusions and gibberish. Why don’t you take your idea on the road, somewhere you can debate philosophy, and not science, which is evidence (which you so sorely never show) reigns. Try MentalWankerRUs.whothefuckcares.
chigau, Menyamball
I’m with you. This garbage was boring and unoriginal to start with, and now he’s spamming it into other threads too. This has gone on entirely long enough, on my view.
Yeah, I’m getting tired of louismorelli word salad too. No substance. Bring the beef or shut up.
Louis: – I thought that you knows about where the human body came from, that’s why I had not explained it. Human body is matter, organized matter into a system, so, for sure, the human body came from matter existed at the origins of this world, and from the first matter’s organization into a system. You must recapitulates yours believed world view based on the “scientific” Standard Model Theory for locating what was matter and how matter was organized into system for first time. This system was a “species”, like any other mentioned by biological evolutionists and for sure, was the ancestor of human body, more than 10 billion years ago. There was no supernatural entities neither magical accidents between this first cosmological system and ours own bodies.
Studying the first system and all sequential systems till the human body you can grasp what is the best systemic state and best environment for any natural system. The problem is at the starting point: yours Standard Model suggest an death atom system, whilce Matrix/DNA suggest a different model where the atomic system has hidden oer expressed all properties of life, so, it is more a kind of living thing.
The Matrix/DNA models suggests that natural systems are composed by a duality: mass and energy. Which develops into hardware and software. When evolution arrives to human bodies as system, brain is the mass, the body is acessories, and mind is the software ( energy).
What is the best world for ours bodies/brain? Inside opened systems like human bodies there is a conflict between the supreme goal of mass and the supreme goal of energy. Mass wants eternal inertia, while energy wants eternal movement/velocity. The scene of a sexual intercourse between female and male dogs is a big example of this fact, where the male represents energy and female, mass. It is not merely coincidence, it is all universe expressed in that scene.
This conflict is solved when a system reaches the state of perfect working thermodynamic closed system. Mass and energy reaches, both, their supreme goal and can live satisfied. You see this state at matrix/DNA formula/software/hardware for perfect closed systems. There the systemic circuit is a flow advancing temporary as energy ( waves in relation to time) and temporary as mass ( when the waves of time becomes bodies, particles, in relation to space). That system mass keeps it inertial state and energy gets “pleasure”reaching the maximum speeds, which pleasure, in ours bodies, is translated as sexual orgasm.
This supreme perfect thermodynamic state was reached once one time: when nature built the building blocks of galactic systems. It is in the formula. Now you transport this system to human world/environment and you find how it would be. It is right the Brave new World, plus the Big Queen, as reached by ants and bees without technology.
But… the human brain is the field and time where “retrograde information” or “later genes” are being expressed and their product is the human mind. It is a new shape of that natural system that began to exist at the Big Bang, coming from somewhere else. It is a new software requiring more potent hardware than is the human brain/body/environment today. In that model “Brave New World plus Big Queen” the brain will suffer an abortion or will kill the germ before germinating. That’s why this is the world of supreme stupidity, and that’s why I am suggesting that the best world for human bodies is the worst world for numa mind.
Ok, I had to write a long text for explaining what I thought you know already…
louismorelli,
*falls down laughing*
I’m conflicted, actually. On one hand, I can’t stand all the bullshit you post; on the other, in the midst of the nonsense you sneak in hilarious shit like that.
The scene of a sexual intercourse between female and male dogs is a big example of this fact, where the male represents energy and female, mass.
They’re just two dogs fucking. They don’t REPRESENT anything — except maybe your incessant dualist stereotyping (male=energy, female=fat), which seems to be the sole basis for most of the simpleminded essentialist bulldada you call a worldview.
And as others have said, it’s long past time to get rid of LM’s incoherent nonsense. Is there a “High Weirdness By Mail” blog we can forward all this rubbish to?
Louis Morelli, by more “beef”, PZ means third party evidence.
Here’s how it is done.
Random mutation caused e-coli to be able to metabolize citrate, evidence that evolution works as described. Lenski 1.
Determining when the random mutations occurred and where. Lenski 2.
Notice you don’t have to take my word for it, you can click on the link and go look at the evidence for yourself, and verify it says what I claimed.
It isn’t you, it isn’t me, it is third parties from the peer reviewed scientific literature. Beef by any other name.
@louismorelli 135
I literally can not respond to anything else because of a massive underlying problem. I have absolutely no reason to believe anything you are telling me because you are just saying something is true. You are showing me nothing outside of yourself. You are another random collection of text on the internet. Or a stranger on a bus. Or some person in a bar. I don’t know you, I have not reason to think I should believe you. If another random collection of text said they had a magic dragon I would want more than their words.
Those things I bolded have no meaning to me. You could replace them with random letters and the have the same emotional effect. They are supposed to represent something. You are saying lots of things and showing me nothing outside of yourself.
It does not even have to be a scientific article. It just has to be something that is not you alone. Evidence. Your responses contained none and simply added new things I have no reason to believe.
Ok, let’s go to scientific papers. Avin Loeb ( see here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/science/avi-loeb-ponders-the-early-universe-nature-and-life.html?_r=0 ) in his paper on arXiv.org can help you to understand when something that makes sense seems to be a word salad for those that does not know the issue.
Avin’s theory is that CMBR could produce the basic chemistry for life at 13, 6… billions years ago, because CMBR produced the room temperature.
Now you change CMBR by “light waves as carriers of energy”, basic chemistry for life change by “organizing the seven kinds of astros into a working system”: and “room temperature” change by “the support of the sequence of any life’s cycle due the sequence of the energy carried by light waves”.
Avi’s had a brilliant intuition but he is anthropologizing the Cosmos, projecting life as we know it here as the life he is seeing at the Universe’s origins. Matrix/DNA Theory predicted 30 years ago ( see my copyrights in my website what astronomers would saying today, but not doing the same mistakes of antropologization.
There is no word salad when the same logical line is told since the beginnings of this thread. The problem is that you ( and Avin also) was educated by the reductionist method and never meet the systemic method. When we talks about systems, we bring quasars and ribosomes and livers in the same issue because all systems are opened and connected with all systems. When you get trained in systemic vision you learn how to eat the salad… It is very difficult and too much hard to learn to see the world by the system’s vision but it is half-science, the complement to reductionism. Do you which to evolve? Do the hard work…
Thanks by the banning, Matrix/DNA has survived to this test and I am grateful for everybody that contributed here…
So I change louismorelli to ‘scientifically illiterate person’ and it’s just the same thing right?
Monitor Note:
louismorelli
You have been told that your comments should be confined to the Thunderdome. Do not reply to this comment here. If you wish to argue, take it there.
Daz
Do you want to bet on wether that will work?
Well, if it doesn’t then Mr WordMatrixDNASalad will be banned. So win-win. Such a case of Dunning-Kreuger.
Chigau
I must admit to half hoping it doesn’t work. The thought of wading through MatrixGabble every time I check the dome…
It was thoroughly refuted, and you were shown to be a crank/fuckwittted idjit spewing gibberish. You lose.
Brony, Social Justice Cenobite
13 January 2015 at 1:44 pm
@louismorelli 135
It is not this way that works Science and Natural Philosophy. My unique goal here is the debate between two totally different world views ( at least, for training for the first meet we will have with aliens). One ( yours) is modern urban western mindset; the other ( mine) is the modern naturalist philosophy living in the jungle. It is not for you believe in me, I am not saying that what I say is true… this is not the way rational thinking works. I have an advantage: I know yours worldview while you never have listening nothing equal my world view. And you don’t know my language, I know a little bit of yours.
So, initially in these cases, the initial misunderstanding is total, only with effort we will understanding the other’s definitions of signals, words, etc. I don’t know why you keep debating here, if not training for the first meet with aliens, when you will not understand one word, one symbol, one interpretation of any real fact. I am here also because this is a good test ( not about natural facts, mechanisms, etc.) but about the reasoning applied to my world view. This is not personal, you must forget the writer, the author and focusing the issue, the topic. the real natural phenomena we are focusing. ( that is why I changed my name and avatar here for “Anonymous”: for you forgetting the person and focusing on the fact. Hehehe… the maester PZMYeras will be furious now… hehehe).
Till now, you did not understand the general meaning of the world by my perspective. The unique way for getting it is you applying first the reductive method, trying to understand my unknown and different interpretation of one real natural phenomena at once, then, after that, trying to compose the whole picture applying the systemic method ( as I did for understanding yours world view). Let’s see an example:
You said:
This will not work. You avoid the topic – the real natural fact, phenomena – we were talking about for analysing my psychology, or how works my reasoning? My mind does not matter here, focus must be upon the fact: Nature. It is too much early yet for general meanings. And I answered:
This is not a human opinion that you should to choose if believe or not. I said it as resume of a natural mechanism that composes my world view. It is:
1) There is a given natural system;
2) This system evolves capturing and stocking information from the environment till its technical resources are no more enough for doing that;
3) At this point, usually, the system had adapted and accommodated in the environment, soper-specializing in a specific way of existence. If the system is an individual composing a species, the whole species creates a social system that will close in itself. Thermodynamic equilibrium, conservation, closing the doors to evolution trying to remaining eternally;
4) Entropy attacks the system. As closed system, entropy begins at the surface, the periphery, and the degraded bits of mass and energy becomes free radicals, going internal to the center of the system. As closed system, the system does not lose energy or mass to the external world, but entropy diminishes the quality of the system, because the free radicals perturbating the established channels of interactions among the parts;
5) The free radicals should going to the nucleus where all system should collapse in extreme singularity. But, never Nature whent back to extreme singularity after the initial singularity at the Big Bang, because the free radicals are stopped before reaching the nucleus, by any piece that performs the function of “cleaning the system”( like liver at human bodies, lysosomes and vesicles at cells, or stars-cadavers at astronomical systems). If there are no cleaner, the free radicals as dust builds plaques around the nucleus, like the event horizon at galactic nucleus or plaque formation around neurons in the brain causing Alzheimer disease).
6) At any natural system there are a pieces that works as stem cell. it is responsible for restaurations in some animals, or planets at astronomical systems. They have a strong energy in state of increasing which can drive atoms to combinations that resembles the embryonic formation of that system. So, when the free radicals are stopped by these pieces, they are obligated to adapt to that environment, and competing for the resources ( food in shape of energy, etc.). This creates the chaos at the environment;
7 ) After the initial chaos begins to arise the flow of order, when the free radicals begins to compose microfilms, tribes, quorum sensing, social systems, etc., like the population of unicellular organisms composed the first multi-cellular organisms.
Do you see? It is not my opinion. It is the way the world works as suggested by the models and calculations of my theory. I have nothing to say here from my own: I am the messenger of a theory, not of what I believe.
Ok, this is enough. Let’s go back to explain why I said: ” You are totally wrong here, Brony. There is mental chaos in absence of a cosmic-vision based in unique logical line…”
I was saying that based on the whole process described above. There is no chaos anymore when the flow of order arises and takes control of the population. Talking about brains, there is no mental chaos, confusion, word salad, etc., when a solid world view able to connect the beginning with the end, the Big Bang to all natural phenomena seen here and now, by a unique logical line, not mixturing different logical lines, like creationists try to do when mixing nature with ghosts in the sky, or when radicals materialist mixes nature with ghosts accidents building complex engineering. The logical line of my world view is: “There is a genetic/computational process occurring upon a natural system that came to existence at the first moment of this Universe, fragmented in bits-information like genes, and the Nature’s goal is to reproduce the unknown natural system that triggered the Big Bang – like the goal of any embryonic process of a baby human system is to reproduce the system that triggered the “bigbang” of a spermatozoon at the center of an ovule. Anything that does not fit well inside this universal genetic process, throw the whole world view into the garbage… and I am prepared fort it. Matric/DNA is not the ultimate possible world view, it is merely a little bit better than yours world view, and all world views built by human beings till now… I think.
Again, this is not how works a debate between different world views when both sides are based purely in natural thinking, natural reason, trying to correct the other’s mistakes about his/her interpretation of natural phenomenas, and trying to learn something for self-correcting ours mistakes in the same interpretations. Forget the author, the write, focuses upon the real natural phenomena. Anything that I said is based on my opinions, but based in interpretations, mechanisms, processes, extracted from Nature and real world experiences.
I know that you “murder yours own thoughts on a regular basis”, because I do the same. Initially a mind is chaos, confusion till lifting up the flow of order. But… this flow of order that you applies for killing yours thoughts is not the flow of order from Nature, it cames from a human culture, a world view, which certainly is wrong… yet. Like mine. Cheers…
And for finishing my perturbation here ( sorry) the check-mat:
The logical reasoning behind Matrix / DNA Theory:
– The substance within an ovule looks like a “soup”;
– An ovule is what existed before the origin of a living human being;
– A substance on Earth seemed a “soup”;
– The Earth existed before the origin of life;
– But for the ovule to produce a human was need the arrival of a biological genome – the DNA;
– So,… for the Earth to produce life was need the arrival of an astronomical genome – the Matrix/DNA.
So, randonnism and creationism are logical fallacies…
Waves bye-bye to the crank/fuckwitted evidenceless unscientific idjit, who speaks in total gibberish.