I recieved this breathless email that reveals the ghastly truth about liberal Oregon and their evil sex education plans.
KOIN, the CBS affiliate in Portland, is set to air its special investigative report “Triple X-Rated Education” Tuesday at 11pm. This report will expose the Oregon Adolescent Sexuality Conference and its pornographic sex education forced on area children. Planned Parenthood is on the steering committee of the annual Oregon ASC.
“I felt really horrified and unsettled by it all,” says a student on the KOIN report trailer. “A conference intended to teach kids as young as 11 about safe sex, but you won’t believe what they’re learning,” the commentator continues.
A local watchdog group, Parents’ Rights in Education, has had its eye on the Oregon Adolescent Sexuality Conference and the XXX-rated presentations and materials being peddled to and by schoolchildren there for several years. In 2013, the group asked Rita Diller, director of American Life League’s STOPP Planned Parenthood International, to attend the conference and see for herself what was being promoted to children. Diller says she came away scarred. “I monitor Planned Parenthood sex education on a regular basis and I have seen some unbelievably horrifying situations that young people are put in because of the abortion giant’s fixation with sexualizing children, but never have I seen so many adults work so hard to defile young people than at this conference,” she said. “It is blatant child abuse.”
Several parents attended on behalf of the investigative effort and brought out materials that matched and expanded on the cache that Diller brought out in 2013. Those materials are now up on the website of Parents’ Rights in Education for the world to see.
Also on the website are some videos from the 2014 conference. One of them shows a presentation where a teen boy blows up a condom, lubricates it, and performs a simulated sex act with it while adult sponsors and teens laugh. The trailer for the KOIN exposé is also linked on the website.
American Life League president, Judie Brown, stated, “Planned Parenthood continues to receive funding at taxpayer expense and uses this money to shove pornographic material down the throats of our children. Congress must defund Planned Parenthood immediately.”Media inquiries, please contact Rob Gasper at 540.659.4171 or RGasper@all.org.
You think they’d learn someday that the “shove X down their throats” cliche is really inappropriate.
But of course this all made me curious — what horrifying things are these radicals at Planned Parenthood telling kids that defiles them? So I dug up some videos that are apparently excerpts from this exposé.
This is a video about Dangerous Sex Advice for Kids.
So it’s about a 15 year old going into a Planned Parenthood and asking for sex advice — she wants to talk about kink. And what she gets is a frank discussion about the facts: that some people like to role play, that they play dominance/submissive games, that you should use a safe word. I looked at a couple of videos, and rather than being horrifying or sexualizing children, they are telling these kids that their desires are perfectly normal, urging them to learn more (they recommend The Joy of Sex, oh horrors), and emphasizing the importance of consent.
These are the tamest sex talks imaginable: non-judgmental, informative, reassuring, and professional. All I can say after seeing them is…good job, Planned Parenthood. I hope a lot of kids see this ‘documentary’ and learn that if they want honest answers, they should just visit their local Planned Parenthood office, because I was really impressed with how nice they were in the clips.
And contra these conservative wackaloons, the real blatant child abuse is keeping kids ignorant and afraid.
I am shocked, shocked I say, to find out any adults allow children to have sex, they should take it away from them an only give it back to them after the wedding vows.
If kids aren’t taught about sexuality, how will they understand all the dangers and complications that come with it? All the different ways they can be victimized, violated.
When a culture insist so strongly on keeping kids in the dark about an important subject that involves ways they could be abused, I can’t help but wonder, who is really being protected here?
shucks, I agree that Pornography is the worst way to teach ABOUT sex, that XXX films are wrong in the worst possible way. But then I look again, and it seems we label films differently. Any film that even mentions “sex” (explicitly) is to them “porno”, so sex ed of any kind is “pornography” to them. What I call “porn” is a film that uses sex as a means to portray men as dominant and women as delicate little sluts. So, there, now I am just as horrified by the Rob Gasper (?real name: gasper?
*Gasp*, he’s whore-ified by the sex ed in schools. Think of the children!!! ) email as the PZ OP.
Now, since we’re talking about it anyway….
*blushes*
Now, well, there’s this uproar in parts of Germany, about plans to include sexual diversity in the curriculum, and there’s lots of protests and end of the world cries and you know all that stuff.
And one of the complaints is that children will be taught all about homosexual sex acts in graphic detail*.
Now, I know there are many knowledgable people here and maybe you can help me:
What are those homosexual sex acts
I mean, either I’m a very unimaginative hetero who cannot imagine the wild things people with the same set of genitalia can do (or maybe there’s some magic and you get extra parts and this is why conservatives need to keep this all a secret) or I’m a rather imaginative heterosexual with access to a sex shop who can imagine many things people with all combinations of genitalia can do…
*The actual plans are more along the lines of having maths problems of the type “Peter and John are getting married. They have invited 43 people. Each guest eats 2 pieces of cakes. One cake is 16 pieces. How many cakes do they need?”
I was gonna complain about the lack of the “shoved down their throats” meme… but then I got the money shot, right on my face. Well, that’s a load off my mind!
A teen boy simulating a sexual act to comedic effect? Oh, no! Shock! Horror! That has never, ever happened anywhere in the universe before!
This only goes to show how far into the moral dregs we have fallen. Teenagers engaged in sex play? That certainly didn’t happen when I was a teen in the sixties.
Sex was invented by Hollywood liberals to destroy the moral fiber of our youth.
Well, I learned everything I needed to know about sex from the Penthouse sex advisor. So you darn kids can just get off my lawn!
Funny thing is, later in life I actually worked with one of the guys who wrote that column for Penthouse. It was a freelance gig. Leonard Gross was his name. He was a wonderful, gentle mensch — ate cashews for lunch. So completely opposite of what my adolescent vision of a sex advisor would look like, I kept doing a double-take every time we said ‘hi’ in the hallway.
What’s sad is that their technique to keep kids ignorant and afraid is to first keep adults ignorant and afraid.
You people don’t understand at all. It’s the international zionist-communist conspiracy to encourage wholesome, innocent, and painfully naive USan teens to waste their vital essence. This will then be collected by the Bilderberg Group, and used to make bullets to kill babies with, wiping out the Greatest Country in the history of the universe and establishing the Israeli/alQa’ida World Domination Council.
@11…it’s worse than that. It’s a plot to distract us from BENGHAZI!!
I would say they’re exercising good judgment, not lacking it. That seems to be one of the points our religious friends don’t get. When they hear things like “non-judgmental,” it’s substituted with “it’s okay, be immoral, no one’s judging the bad things you’re doing.” The problem is that it’s not bad if it harms no one, yet they’d put it into terms of young people having some kind purity that’s being corrupted (or other things along the same lines), despite the fact that nobody is harmed. (That is, it’s consensual, doesn’t destroy civilization, ruin your straight marriage, etc.) The bad stuff, which is actually harmful, are things like STDs, rape, unwanted pregnancies, and so forth. That’s the stuff you need to use good judgment about (instead of idle moralizing about figments of your imagination) when you decide young people ought to learn about this stuff.
The only major disappointment that I had with that video (though it could have been cut out) was a stress on consent. The girl came in saying her boyfriend wanted to try kink and she’s obviously looking for information about it to see what she’s comfortable with. It would have been good for the adult to say “There may be pressure for you to play along with what your boyfriend wants and some people try to guilt or emotionally blackmail their partners into participating (for example, ‘if you love me, you’ll do it’). But know that you don’t have to do anything you don’t want to do. That’s why it’s so important to have a safe word. You can say no any time you like–even say no to the whole idea of experimenting. That’s up to you, and if your boyfriend cares about you as a person, he’s going to care more about whether you’re consenting than whether he’s getting his jollies in the moment.” Also, it would have been good to have some specific recommendations to some healthy kink resources rather than “look on the internet”.
There are other videos. In one of them, the PP advisor is constantly emphasizing consensual activity — don’t let your boyfriend talk you into something you don’t want to do. Talk about it together first. Etc.
Giliell, i’m always mistified by the hability of people to simultaneously consider a particular sex act as “gay sex” and therefore disgusting and wrong, but also, apparently, the most desirable sexual acts for straight men. If a man sucks a cock, it’s horrible and disgusting and that man should be mocked, but every woman on the planet should be strongly encouraged to do it. If a man practices anal sex, particularly if he is in the receiving end, he is horrible and disgusting, bla, bla, bla, but man, anal sex is amazing and i wish my girldfriend would be up for it more than once a year.
When i encounter male fauna of these kind i take considerable pleasure in pointing out that we both suck cock, the only significant difference is the size of the cocks we suck. They are too chickenshit to tackle anything other than the miniature version xD
By the way this reminds me that even though we received pretty good sex ed at school, i remember the look of abject horror on a friends face when he asked, and i explained, why a scrotum and a penis have a suture in the middle and why a clitoris becomes erect and the external labia can get swollen. You could hear the pieces fitting inside his head and with every click his eyes got wider and wider.
These parents would rather believe that other people are putting these thoughts in their children’s heads than believe that their children are having their thoughts about sex.
I’m also impressed by the planned parenthood people in that video, they seem to know what they are doing. But I’m even more impressed with the (supposedly?) 15-year old who made the film. I wonder what the story behind this video is, she seems completely sincere in her questions and responses. Am I just being stupid here? I really can’t tell she is lying or trying to steer the conversation a certain way. As a parent, I think it would worry me if my child could lie like that.
Also, planned parenthood should run with this footage as promotional material for their centers, it shows them doing their job very well.
5.625
So six cakes.
Good ol’ chigau, answering the *important* questions. :)
@15
Good to hear – that was actually one of my biggest issues with the clip posted here – BDSM can be fertile grounds for coercion and abuse. To make it constructive; I’d have been much more comfortable with an 80/20 (maybe 90/10) split: primary emphasis on safety, consent, boundaries, communication, planning, and unwavering agency of both partners, and, only with that covered in full, maybe 10-20% time spent discussing some popular forms of beginner/intro-level experimentation ideas.
And on that note… I felt the references and advice given for finding info were more than a bit wanting. The counselor gives point-blank approval to porn-for-women. There are, however, massive amounts of for-women-porn which delve into the fantasy exploration of non-consensual situations; many of which would require a great deal of experience, knowledge, and practice to bring to real-life role-play enactment safely. Much of a field day as it would be for the Right-wingers, I’d have much preferred the PP adviser have a simple pamphlet / collection of links to well-vetted guides for beginners seeking to explore role-play and kink; rather than giving vague pointers to an inexperienced 15-year-old teen of how to track them down on the web.
Pornography means media created with the explicit purpose of sexual arousal. So these conservatives either have a screwy definition of the word, or they’re getting chubbies at inappropriate moments. Both cases sound like a personal problem.
I believe that November is one of the two ratings sweeps periods of the year, so sex-centered “dramas” will be (um) widespread on the evening news this month.
Delurking for this
Obligatory A bit of Fry and Laurie sketch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwo8qxUit00
Re Caitiecat @ #11
Totally wrong. The conspiracy behind this is the product of Skull and Bones.
Here in Arizona, some years ago our Superintendent of Public Instruction, Eddie Basha, said that if we didn’t tell kids about it, they’d NEVER think of it themselves.
My church taught me that AIDS could fit through the pores on a condom and hormonal birth control gave you breast cancer. We were told that sex would ruin us and our lives. We were told abortion was murder and would leave you sterile. We were told that we could “lead boys into sin” if we weren’t careful. I believed it all.
Teens in my church still had sex and they still had abortions. Hell was better than what happened if your dad found out you were knocked-up. See, beating your daughter is OK. Her having sex? That’s a sin. Where I live, “good” fathers “protect” their daughters like that.
Nobody told their parents anything. Who would?
Keeping kids ignorant puts them in danger. Making them ashamed keeps them from telling when predators start pushing their boundaries, isolating them etc. If you don’t teach your kids about sex, someone else will. It’s dangerous to keep them dumb, but their safety isn’t really the point at all.
I joke that I was a closet heterosexual. When my parents found out I was sexually active, they kicked me out of the house.
So many of my friends were told to never come home again if they got pregnant. (The boys had a very different set of rules.)
I knew girls who never spoke up about being raped or who opted not to use birth control because they feared being found out and beaten or disowned.
I make sure to teach my kids about sex in age appropriate ways. My teen daughter has been known to sneak educational materials to friends so that they can learn about sex. She’s a guerrilla sex educator. I’m so proud of her. She’s banned form certain homes for telling her friends things like, it’s OK that they’re bisexual. We’re still living in the Dark Ages here in the Bible Belt.
That’s what keeping them ignorant is for. It’s for making sure they do not know their options. If they do not know what “homosexual” is, they can’t know they are homosexual. If they know they can have sex without getting a disease or pregnant, they might not choose to obey their parents and stay virgins (*wink*) until they marry and start pumping out little Christian grand-babies. If they know masturbation is normal, they won’t feel dirty and guilty for doing it. Churches thrive on people needing a way to absolve the horrible burden of guilt the church puts on them in the first place. They can’t sell you their miracle cure until they make damn sure you’ve got the disease.
The same bullshit is still going on in the churches and in the schools. There is still no comprehensive Sex Ed here. In school the kids are taught that abortion is murder, they are not told anything about contraception, treating VD, pleasure or consent. They are taught fear and shame instead. The kids are a little better, though. They can’t be kept as ignorant as we were in the days days before the internet. The situation is still not good.
We need more education and more support for teens, especially teens that are not straight, cis kids. They go through hell.
Sadly, as atheists we can do nothing about this situation. See, it’s social justice. It’s about facts, but also value judgments and we aren’t to do that. That causes “rifts”.
OK hold on. The local CBS station is probably not going to run propaganda video created by Lila Rose’s bullshit organization, you know the people who create doctored videos painting Planned Parenthood in false light. It sounds like the CBS station did a story on this conference, teased it with the usual “HEY HEY LOOK HERE SEX AND KIDS OMG TUNE IN AT 11” type promotion, and now Lila Rose’s and her cohort of assholes are using it as a springboard to promote their bullshit video “exposes.”
If you don’t know who Lila Rose is, you’re probably happier not knowing, but she’s one of the leading anti-abortion, anti-Planned Parenthood, anti-woman, anti-sex “activists” on the right, who was trained by the master of lying with cheaply edited video, felon James O’Keefe.
#4 Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-
Is this deja vu? Back in 2011, there was this idea of mentioning of the existence of LGBT people in the sex-ed curriculum of Brazilian schools. As soon as the religious caucus discovered the project, it became the satanic gay kit that will teach your six-year-olds to have butt sex. The curriculum ended being vetoed, and those fundagelicals went looking for something else to cry persecution about.
I’m pretty sure that’s the point.
wcorvi #28
I think you mis-remembered the name. I tried to find details about this, but I couldn’t find anything that said Eddie Basha was ever Superintendent of Public Instruction. He did work on education in a variety of positions. Wikipedia says this about him:
Doesn’t sound like the kind of person who would say what you attributed to him.
Sorry, I meant #26 not #28
But PZ, you just don’t understand: these talks destroy the soul.
Now that we’ve got that clear, would anyone like to suck my holy cock?
well of course they are shocked they are teaching what sex is how it works and how to keep safe. They are not teaching that sex is sin!
uncle frogy
Giliell (#4), dõki (#29), here in France, there was a national program in elementary schools to raise awareness of teachers and students about gender stereotypes (“ABCD of equality”). Reactionaries felt it was part of the “gender theory” proponents’ agenda, so in February they called parents not to send their kids to class, spreading the rumor that as part of the ABCD program, children were taught how to masturbate.
(They’re also the ones who came up with these delighful posters. I find the first one especially incredible, it roughly reads “keep your hands off our gender stereotypes!” I kid you not.)
Adults have a hard time dealing with the fact that children are sexual beings, but they are, pretty much from exiting the womb onward. I may just be naughty and bad, but (ahem) I accidentally discovered sexy funtimes at the age of 5. Not intercourse, but funtimes nonetheless. If my mother hadn’t shamed me and good (she caught me and my friend at ‘it’), I was on track to developing a happy, healthy sexuality. The judgment and lack of knowledge I faced from that point forward turned something wonderful into something more akin to a nightmare, one I’ve since shaken, but that took a LONG time.
Adults need to backburner their discomfort and actually help young people. Young people will have sexual experiences, even before actual intercourse. No amount of disinformation, infantilizing, or shaming will prevent that. The question is, will they be scared and ashamed and unable to express their own desires or establish comfortable boundaries? Is that what parents truly want for their children?
What’s crazy about this to me is that they freak out about any kind of sex education while the kids are still teenagers, but apparently when they turn 18 and head off to college or wherever, they’re supposed to just get dumped into the middle of it all and figure it all out for themselves. Or perhaps figure it all out on their wedding night.
And even if you’re outside the whole fundie funhouse, you still internalize some of this crap. Reading this post might be the first time I’ve ever completely calmly reacted to the idea of sex education for teens (as young as 11!) with a simple “Yeah, so?” Seems like the best time to teach all this.
You should see the brochure that is handed out to teenagers (15-18) in France. “When your male or female partner takes you penis in the mouth … .” Google “Questions d’Ados” if you read French. I can provide an English translation for anyone interested.
I am looking over it again. Why do boys have boners in the morning? Why do girls get wet?. What is an abortion? Use condoms consistently for anal intercourse.
Sex in general is fertile soil for abuse. In my experience the BDSM community is far more concerned with issues of safety and consent than most other groups. It’s not perfect, and there certainly are predators out there who take advantage of people in the scene, but the BDSM community (or, at least the segments of it I frequent) are generally good about self-policing and are not afraid to out abusers as they arise. I’m sure there are some areas of the country or certain events that don’t live up to that standard, but in my experience they tend to be the exception rather than the rule.
@robnyny (#38, #39) I fail to grasp your point.
The brochure indeed has problems; to wit, it seems much too light on consent and rape, and as far as I can tell it’s always about “boys” and “girls,” there’s nothing about sex/gender identity issues.
But I think it is hard to deny that it is more inclusive and frank that anything that would be acceptable in the USA. If that is not a good enough point, then I apologize for wasting your time.
Come on, robnyny, don’t you know that everything that isn’t perfect is exactly the same? *eyeroll*
Erp, my 40 was directed at kevinkirkpatrick 21
@robnyny (#42)
Oh, OK, I get it now, thanks for the clarification. Well I cannot tell whether the point is good (I don’t know what is considered “acceptable” in the US—are the kind of conservative wackaloons the post is about just very noisy, or are they also the majority?), but you wasted no time of mine anyway!
#41
Please show me American sources for your proposition.
@robnyny, I’m not claiming anything, I don’t know about this kind of material in the US. My comment was badly worded, I should have said I think the brochure is generally good, though lacking in some respects. I was just being dense, sorry about this all.
The girl went in with a story about what her boyfriend wants to do. A lot of girls in particular are pressured into doing things that their boyfriends have seen in porn. Keeping them ignorant won’t stop their boyfriends from trying that,¹ but it will help keep them safe both from exploitation and from all the regular consequences of sex. And all kids in any sort of relationship should have access to information that keeps them safe.
That said, it sounds like the counselor should get some counseling herself on the BDSM stuff. What I’ve picked up from the folks into that is that people should be really careful about tying one another up or spanking/whipping one another because there are serious risks (such as nerve damage) to even the most mild versions of that. The counselor would do better to offer titles of specific books that teach proper techniques while emphasizing safety.
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¹ Which is why sex ed that includes the topics of consent and reality vs. porn should be mandatory for all kids.
@Matrim (#40)
But underage teens aren’t going to be in the scene or, generally, getting advice from there. They’re going to be inspired by and trying out BDSM as portrayed in pop culture and porn (à la 50 Shades of Grey). The sort of BDSM sold to a general audience leaves ethics and technical know-how by the wayside and thus creates fertile ground for coercion and abuse.
50 Shades is about an abusive relationship and shares only some activities with BDSM as the community actually practices it. One of the key ways in which kinksters knew that Ghomeshi wasn’t one of us was his characterisation of his assaults as ‘like 50 Shades of Gray’, because everything in that book breaks the rules of kink as practiced: it is neither safe, nor sane, nor consensual.
BDSM is like anything else involving sex … can be great, can be terrible, can even be dangerous … depends on the circumstances and the people involved. I think BDSM is probably an area that parents would have the most difficulty even fathoming (in conjunction with their teenagers), but you have to provide information where it’s needed. Not saying anything is much more dangerous.
When we talk about heterosexual relationships, we talk a lot about girls feeling pressured to do things. I think we need a paradigm shift (and not just to include homosexuality and bisexuality, although that’s definitely essential). Girls ARE definitely pressured to do things, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have desires of their own. That’s an area where the media and friends and parents do girls the biggest disservice. Boys are portrayed as conquest-seeking hormones with zero control and girls as insecure and desperate to be loved/accepted, fearful, and/or led astray by boys…truth is, girls have hormones and desires, too … we need to educate everyone about consent and boundaries. Everyone needs to be comfortable asking for what they want and saying no without feeling shame. You can want to have some kinds of sex and not others. That’s important to highlight. My mother told me french kissing someone was tantamount to consent for intercourse. How dangerous is that? Was I at 15, 16, and 17 NOT going to french kiss anyone? Uh no. Her wacky linking of kissing and sex made me think that if I did kiss someone I was expected to do other things as well. Absent a frank discussion of consent and boundaries … absent the admission that girls have desires, too and that’s okay, people (often girls if we’re talking about a heterosexual context) will end up doing things they didn’t particularly want to do simply because they were too embarrassed to speak up or because they thought they had to.
@CaitieCat (#50)
Point is, how many kids know that? If they got their ideas from 50 Shades—which they are way more likely to come across than anything the BDSM scene has to offer—then their misinformed take on BDSM will leave them open to coercion and abuse.
Also, it would be nice if we talked to kids about the difference between something that turns you on as a fantasy and something that turns you on when you act it out in reality. That could obviously help with issues of consent but also with, say, understanding asexuality. Because, oh boy, was I ever confused for the longest time about why I liked porn and getting myself off but fooling around with other people did less than nothing for me.
#35 sff9
The one I found amusing was Familiphobie. The lengths they will go to portray themselves as the victims, when actually they are the ones imposing a very narrow vision of what a family should be like…
But, but.. how then will all those people with “traditional” conservative upbringings be able to victimize, violate and abuse their… Oh , right…
SIncerely Held Religious Beliefs exemptions, of course!
The conservatives´outrage reminds me of The Goodies` episode ”Gender Education”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Education
“Mrs. Desiree Carthorse (an obvious parody of Mary Whitehouse) approaches The Goodies as the ideal people to make a clean sex education film about the facts of life. However, she thinks that S-E-X is a sin and does not want the word to be mentioned during the film.
The Goodies respond with an absurdly coy film (“How to Make Babies by Doing Dirty Things”) that could not possibly offend anyone, but the use of the word ‘gender’ in the opening credits disgusts her to such an extent that she refuses to watch the rest of the film and begins legal proceedings. The Goodies are then publicly attacked by everyone. To improve their image, they abduct a notorious MP and take his place on a chat show.”
I think we should take the same approach to driving:
Keep kids ignorant of anything having to do with the functioning, maintenance, or operations of a car, protect anyone from learning the basic rules of the road, and just let ’em at it when they’re 18.
Can’t see anything bad arising from that approach, nosiree.
Jackie #27:
And even if that doesn’t happen, they’ll no doubt try to figure it out on their own – and most probably get it wrong, perhaps disastrously so. This is why abstinence-only sex-ed makes so little sense to me, even looking at it from the viewpoint of those who think sex is a sinful, dirty, shameful act – it can basically be summarised as ‘We’re not going to tell you what ‘sex’ is, but don’t do it.’
Is this a video Planned Parenthood made for teenagers? Or did they send a volunteer in there with a hidden camera? I thought it was kind of boring myself, but I’m not a fifteen year old asking for help in trying out BDSM.
Thread resoundingly won.
So, all I’m seeing are awful talking points and buzzwords, like “abortion giant”, “XXX-rated”, “defile”, “child abuse”
What exactly is so awful about it? Especially when the only named example is something that happens at teenagers’ parties fairly regularly, namely, joking around with a condom. I can’t watch the video now, but from PZ’s description it sounds quite alright. Well, it wouldn’t to abstinence only idiots, I suppose, but why would CBS (or at least their affiliate) stoop to their level? Unless it’s just cynical sensationalism trying to grab those people’s viewership, I don’t get it.