The Julie Andrews GIF was the best laugh I’ve had in a while. The Sound of Music was good for something after all.
antepreprosays
The questions sound exactly like the ones an ignoring, shit-stirring Christian would use regarding atheism.
“Who is the leader of atheism?”
“Where is your atheist agenda posted?”
“Isn’t atheism the same thing as hating Jesus?”
“What do you do in the name of No God?”
“But what if atheism doesn’t help me deal with the death of my grandpappy?”
“If you are such a good atheist, why aren’t you telling the bad atheists to stop being mean to Christians, huh huh huh?”
What is the difference between a feminist and an egalitarian?
This is one that I saw problems with a long time ago. The people going on about “equalism” of “egalitarianism” always (in my experience anyway) just have the pretense of wanting equality, but want to utterly ignore the structural differences in what is producing the inequality. There is never a sign that they have any awareness of why the inequality happens. My best explanation so far is that they simply won’t or can’t look at differences in sex and gender as categories that have real-world functional relationships.
It’s why I sometimes make the argument that there could be a male version of feminism if they functionally tried to solve problems that disproportionally affect men instead of lashing out at feminism all the time (I admit that this still has the problem that things like “straight pride” or “white pride” groups have in most situations because all the problems I have encountered still end up being patriarchy-related). If you spend all your time attacking women instead of helping men I’m simply not going to see you as an ally. Feminists on the other hand seem to be largely targeting things that hurt men and women so I make my choice accordingly.
John Horstmansays
Careful! She’s a wizard! Her damnations have real power behind them!
Ichthyicsays
There is never a sign that they have any awareness of why the inequality happens.
It’s the same problem with the “colorblind” approach to race that we were taught when I was in primary school.
It ignores the entire history and infrastructure that has been built up around the racism to begin with.
yazikussays
John Horstman, did you see the comments over there about the “wrath of Amanda”? Pure comedy gold.
This automatically puts me into the dudebro club, right?
Yup :)
I can just imagine the flood of emails you’re going to get from that article, on top of all the emails you already get. Makes me wonder what your email box looks like.
PZ to Siri: “Siri, what does my mailbox look like this wonderfully chilly Morris morning?”
Siri: “Why good morning Mr. PZ-newly-inducted-into-the-dudebro club-Myers. Please hold for one moment while I retrieve your emails…”
“You have 1.024 unread emails from MRAs.”
“You have 593 unread emails from creationists.”
“You have 998 unread emails from angry dictionary atheists.”
“You have 1,262 unread emails from racist assholes.”
“These are just in the last two days.”
“Have a swell day.”
essjaysays
I have been reading Pandragon for some time and have the utmost admiration for Amanda Marcotte’s marvelous brand of uppityness. However, what is there about Amanda’s Disney gif that inspires comments like: “That is literally the single greatest gif in the history of the medium. It is the Citizen Kane of gifs. Gifmakers for the next 70 years will be working in its shadow”? Will someone have pity on me and tell me what I’m missing?
(By the way, Improbable Joe, I adore the recent addition to your name. Every time I read it, I start to giggle. So much concentrated snark!)
David Marjanovićsays
Comment there:
“The Disney gif brought that to a whole other level. Thank you.”
Reply:
“That is literally the single greatest gif in the history of the medium. It is the Citizen Kane of gifs. Gifmakers for the next 70 years will be working in its shadow.”
I concur.
I have been reading Pandragon for some time
Then read again. :-) Emphasis mine.
However, what is there about Amanda’s Disney gif that inspires comments like: [quoted above]? Will someone have pity on me and tell me what I’m missing?
For one thing, this would actually have been an improvement over The Sound of Music as it really exists.
For one thing, this would actually have been an improvement over The Sound of Music as it really exists.
There’s no denying that, however, I wasn’t impressed with any of the gifs. Julie Andrews with machine guns, yeah, that’s telling them…something.
Rob Grigjanissays
David @14: The Disney gif is the earlier one which has “Go fuck yourself with a cactus”. Very fitting and chuckleworthy, but hardly the greatest ever, so on that I’m with essjay. The Julie Andrews gif on the other hand, was genius. But Disney had nothing to do with The Sound of Music.
Speaking of, the “go fuck yourself with a decayed porcupine” was dropped by consensus here, due the whining and howls of idiots, who insisted we could not speak about rape if we said things like that. I’m kinda wondering why there’s so much admiration for that one, given the history here.
Also, it would be nice if someone actually answered Essjay. You can say “genius! brilliant!” all day long, but it’s not saying why you think Julie Andrews with guns is genius! brilliant!.
Rob Grigjanissays
Inaji @ 17: I must have missed that one. Good job it’s not in my repertoire!
@18: I think essjay, like me, was wondering why the Disney gif was being praised. Don’t know what essjay thought of the Julie Andrews gif, but to me it was funny because of the absurd contrast; squeaky clean “raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens” Maria brandishing Uzis. I actually don’t approve of postulants wandering the Alps packing heat.
2kittehssays
essjay @ 13
I kinda missed what was so fantastic about the Disney gif, too. Clever, unexpected – or would be if this sort of thing wasn’t done all the time – and the total contrast between Disney’s cutesy clean-clean-clean image and a ruuuuuude message. But greatest thing out? No, didn’t strike me that way, either. That could be because I didn’t grow up in a Disney-saturated world, but then I’ve no idea if the people who really like it did, either.
I did laugh at the Julie Andrews one, in a very slightly uncomfortable way – not uncomfortable at the guns, I thought that was very well done, but I wasn’t wild about the message, ironic or not.
I’m with you on the awesomeness of Improbable Joe’s new moniker! :)
knowknotsays
@17 Inaji
– Yeah… the nature of “fuck you” and “fuck yourself” has always been curious to me. The addition of “…with…” makes it more so. I should admit that I laughed at the Disney thing anyway, though it was followed with a “!?”
– To my small and over-concerned-with-every-silly-thing mind, it’s at least potentially curious how Americans have such a visceral response to the British use of certain gentalia-related terms, only one class of which we completely disavow (some of us, anyway), when even the very common fuck you’s would be something of a shock to a mythical person who had no experience with such a curse and were to interpret it as “go engage in intercourse (of an undetermined variety and in undetermined circumstances) with whatever equipment you happen to carry around.”
– Of course, we don’t – or at least we think we don’t – process it in anything like such a literal or graphic manner. It seems usually to equate to something like “damn you a lot, though without the actual burny sensations, because that’s just over the top.” Not even going to ponder the reaction to the addition of a specific “… with a …”
– Strange though, how the word morphs between social and intimate settings. As famously pointed out by Lenny Bruce.
essjaysays
OK, thanks everyone. I see that most of you agree with me. I do get the Julie Andrews one, although I’m not fond of guns. As Inaji says above, the cactus part made me think of that old, horrible rotten porcupine insult.
besomyka says
Oh, wow. That last gif made me spill my coffee.
Rob Grigjanis says
The Julie Andrews GIF was the best laugh I’ve had in a while. The Sound of Music was good for something after all.
anteprepro says
The questions sound exactly like the ones an ignoring, shit-stirring Christian would use regarding atheism.
“Who is the leader of atheism?”
“Where is your atheist agenda posted?”
“Isn’t atheism the same thing as hating Jesus?”
“What do you do in the name of No God?”
“But what if atheism doesn’t help me deal with the death of my grandpappy?”
“If you are such a good atheist, why aren’t you telling the bad atheists to stop being mean to Christians, huh huh huh?”
Marcus Ranum says
She’s made of pure awesome!!!!
Crimson Clupeidae says
I love the smell (sic) of snark in the morning.
*ducks the spinning uzis*
Moggie says
Amanda Marcotte is now the queen of GIFs.
Brony says
This is one that I saw problems with a long time ago. The people going on about “equalism” of “egalitarianism” always (in my experience anyway) just have the pretense of wanting equality, but want to utterly ignore the structural differences in what is producing the inequality. There is never a sign that they have any awareness of why the inequality happens. My best explanation so far is that they simply won’t or can’t look at differences in sex and gender as categories that have real-world functional relationships.
It’s why I sometimes make the argument that there could be a male version of feminism if they functionally tried to solve problems that disproportionally affect men instead of lashing out at feminism all the time (I admit that this still has the problem that things like “straight pride” or “white pride” groups have in most situations because all the problems I have encountered still end up being patriarchy-related). If you spend all your time attacking women instead of helping men I’m simply not going to see you as an ally. Feminists on the other hand seem to be largely targeting things that hurt men and women so I make my choice accordingly.
John Horstman says
Careful! She’s a wizard! Her damnations have real power behind them!
Ichthyic says
It’s the same problem with the “colorblind” approach to race that we were taught when I was in primary school.
It ignores the entire history and infrastructure that has been built up around the racism to begin with.
yazikus says
John Horstman, did you see the comments over there about the “wrath of Amanda”? Pure comedy gold.
Improbable Joe, one of the NEW FOUR HORSEMEN OF GLOBAL ATHEIST THINKY LEADER KINGS EDUCATIONAL FOUNDATION COUNCIL says
HAH!
… yeah, that’s pretty much all I have to add. *grins*
Tony! The Queer Shoop says
PZ:
Yup :)
I can just imagine the flood of emails you’re going to get from that article, on top of all the emails you already get. Makes me wonder what your email box looks like.
PZ to Siri: “Siri, what does my mailbox look like this wonderfully chilly Morris morning?”
Siri: “Why good morning Mr. PZ-newly-inducted-into-the-dudebro club-Myers. Please hold for one moment while I retrieve your emails…”
“You have 1.024 unread emails from MRAs.”
“You have 593 unread emails from creationists.”
“You have 998 unread emails from angry dictionary atheists.”
“You have 1,262 unread emails from racist assholes.”
“These are just in the last two days.”
“Have a swell day.”
essjay says
I have been reading Pandragon for some time and have the utmost admiration for Amanda Marcotte’s marvelous brand of uppityness. However, what is there about Amanda’s Disney gif that inspires comments like: “That is literally the single greatest gif in the history of the medium. It is the Citizen Kane of gifs. Gifmakers for the next 70 years will be working in its shadow”? Will someone have pity on me and tell me what I’m missing?
(By the way, Improbable Joe, I adore the recent addition to your name. Every time I read it, I start to giggle. So much concentrated snark!)
David Marjanović says
Comment there:
“The Disney gif brought that to a whole other level. Thank you.”
Reply:
“That is literally the single greatest gif in the history of the medium. It is the Citizen Kane of gifs. Gifmakers for the next 70 years will be working in its shadow.”
I concur.
Then read again. :-) Emphasis mine.
For one thing, this would actually have been an improvement over The Sound of Music as it really exists.
Inaji says
David:
There’s no denying that, however, I wasn’t impressed with any of the gifs. Julie Andrews with machine guns, yeah, that’s telling them…something.
Rob Grigjanis says
David @14: The Disney gif is the earlier one which has “Go fuck yourself with a cactus”. Very fitting and chuckleworthy, but hardly the greatest ever, so on that I’m with essjay. The Julie Andrews gif on the other hand, was genius. But Disney had nothing to do with The Sound of Music.
Inaji says
Rob:
Speaking of, the “go fuck yourself with a decayed porcupine” was dropped by consensus here, due the whining and howls of idiots, who insisted we could not speak about rape if we said things like that. I’m kinda wondering why there’s so much admiration for that one, given the history here.
Inaji says
Also, it would be nice if someone actually answered Essjay. You can say “genius! brilliant!” all day long, but it’s not saying why you think Julie Andrews with guns is genius! brilliant!.
Rob Grigjanis says
Inaji @ 17: I must have missed that one. Good job it’s not in my repertoire!
@18: I think essjay, like me, was wondering why the Disney gif was being praised. Don’t know what essjay thought of the Julie Andrews gif, but to me it was funny because of the absurd contrast; squeaky clean “raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens” Maria brandishing Uzis. I actually don’t approve of postulants wandering the Alps packing heat.
2kittehs says
essjay @ 13
I kinda missed what was so fantastic about the Disney gif, too. Clever, unexpected – or would be if this sort of thing wasn’t done all the time – and the total contrast between Disney’s cutesy clean-clean-clean image and a ruuuuuude message. But greatest thing out? No, didn’t strike me that way, either. That could be because I didn’t grow up in a Disney-saturated world, but then I’ve no idea if the people who really like it did, either.
I did laugh at the Julie Andrews one, in a very slightly uncomfortable way – not uncomfortable at the guns, I thought that was very well done, but I wasn’t wild about the message, ironic or not.
I’m with you on the awesomeness of Improbable Joe’s new moniker! :)
knowknot says
@17 Inaji
– Yeah… the nature of “fuck you” and “fuck yourself” has always been curious to me. The addition of “…with…” makes it more so. I should admit that I laughed at the Disney thing anyway, though it was followed with a “!?”
– To my small and over-concerned-with-every-silly-thing mind, it’s at least potentially curious how Americans have such a visceral response to the British use of certain gentalia-related terms, only one class of which we completely disavow (some of us, anyway), when even the very common fuck you’s would be something of a shock to a mythical person who had no experience with such a curse and were to interpret it as “go engage in intercourse (of an undetermined variety and in undetermined circumstances) with whatever equipment you happen to carry around.”
– Of course, we don’t – or at least we think we don’t – process it in anything like such a literal or graphic manner. It seems usually to equate to something like “damn you a lot, though without the actual burny sensations, because that’s just over the top.” Not even going to ponder the reaction to the addition of a specific “… with a …”
– Strange though, how the word morphs between social and intimate settings. As famously pointed out by Lenny Bruce.
essjay says
OK, thanks everyone. I see that most of you agree with me. I do get the Julie Andrews one, although I’m not fond of guns. As Inaji says above, the cactus part made me think of that old, horrible rotten porcupine insult.