Who knew that all you had to do is change the definition of “atheist”? Put on your sunglasses and visit this site—the color scheme is classic fluorescent kook—and you will discover that atheists are people who deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. Period. Which means…
- James van Praagh, loopy psychic medium and newager, is an atheist!
- All Jews…atheists!
- Muslims…atheists!
- Martin Luther King…atheist! (Wait, what?)
I like this game. Atheists also deny the divinity of Thor, which means…Christians are atheists!
There. Now that we’ve taken over the world, I think I deserve to go have some ice cream.
You’re still dancing.
No I did not. I answered as well as asking you a question. The fact you ignore the part where I answered you and focused on a question I asked you (and you refused to answer) is telling. You can’t do it. You can not answer. You are too weak minded to deal with questions posed to you.
Answer my posts above I linked to. I know why you will not.
Because you can not. Is your faith that weak?
You twerp, you have ignored or sidestepped or tried to shift the burden for nearly every single quesiton posed to you. You can’t claim any sort of victory because you have been exposed. If you need to back out do so knowing you are exposed as a weak minded fool.
Answer the questions above I asked you.
Don’t worry Mr. Bauer if you’ve accumulated all those altruism travel miles for an nonexistent afterlife destination because any actual good you accomplished is commendable, but the self-indulgent idol worship is just lost time and a waste of effort.
You don’t have to be a Jebus Crammer to accomplish charitable and worthwhile acts for for your fellow humans. You can be good for the sake of being good, not because you’ll either be eternally punished or get some mythical paradise as a reward.
You realized Santa, and the Tooth fairy weren’t real, so rid yourself of one more childish belief and get on with life; you haven’t much time to lose.
I also cannot prove there isn’t a Mars Bar sitting on the far side of Pluto right now. Can you? No.
Is there any evidence of said Mars Bar? Well, there is a text, actually; it was referred to in a blog comment on 3 March 2009. So the possibility of it existing has been referred to. Maybe we should worry about the exitence of the Mars Bar?
And on the way out don’t slam the – too late.
Everyone here is so rude.
Not one of my personal failings.
James L Bauer, I once read a Christian book asserting that to prove that there is no God, one would have to examine the entire universe, and, that if one were capable of examining the entire universe, one would BE God.
I laughed at that. All one has to do is to examine any one tiny corner of the universe, and to show that there is no all-pervading God in it. What we have done, over the last few days, is to examine the tiny corner of the universe that is your heart.
There is no God in your heart, James L Bauer. That is well evident. You are foolish, and call us fools, you are wicked and un-Christ-like (although most Christian). There is no God in the heart of James L Bauer, who claims that there is a God, who claims that God is in him. If, James L Bauer, with all your religiosity, and all your talk, there is no God in you, and no spirit of God speaking through you, there is no God.
Where else should we look for God, but in the heart of a believer? What need to examine the universe? Where God should be, He is not.
There is no God.
And James L Bauer is proof.
There is a Mars bar, just off the lobby of the Mars Hotel.
At least, that’s the ugly rumour.
Now it’s been mentioned twice…
I think it’s something to be thinking about…
James L Bauer has left the kitchen.
(I hope)
All this confusion is very worrying to Me.
Do I exist or not?
Hey! Head apologist! I need an apologetic, stat!
James, perhaps this forum would be more your speed.
The questions there won’t be so hard, there’s likely to be little cursing or name calling and I think they encourage dancing.
I don’t know how the rest of you feel, but Menyambal gets my vote for the next Molly award, based on the consistent quality, dignity, rationality, and even poetry of their (sorry, Menyambal, I was not paying attention when you mentioned your sex) postings. Well done.
You bellowed?
Let Me see, how about this?:
The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy was fiction. There is no such thing as a Babel fish. Therefore, the Babel fish disproof of God fails. Therefore, You, God, do exist.
Josh, Iain, Menyamble, Sven (don’t you already have one?), AnthonyK are all good candidates for the Order of Molly this month. I bet PZ forgot.
Good! I can feel My Self reifying. Got another one?
Well, continuing on the theme of faith versus certainty, We might note that since faith works by lacking certainty, and the lack of certainty is the foundation of doubt, then the doubts of believers are in turn absolutely foundational to their faith.
Indeed, I would go even further, and note that Your own cosmic Self-doubt implies an even greater and more cosmic faith that sustains You. All You need to do is hold on to that faith, with Your omnipotent power, and Your existence is assured.
That was long, complicated, almost entirely incomprehensible, and ended with the answer I wanted to hear. Brilliant! Well done!
Just so long as You’re no longer bellowing, I mean happy. Just so long as You’re happy.
Well, I’m going to watch some more Ed Current videos. I don’t recommend them to You; they are not quite to Your taste.
Thanks, speedwell, and E.V., for the compliment. That was fun. My compliments to all, as well.
Speedwell, since you mentioned, my sex is married. My gender is male. Oddly, my appearance is rather like that of PZ Myers. Should I offer to be his double the next time he goes on a secret mission to Atheist Headquarters?
@510 – Rev, that’s a brilliant site, just right for James. I went on there briefly and I tell you what those saps don’t know shit about presuppositional apologetics.
And when I attacked them on the transformers thread, I swear they almost pissed their pants.
Damn I’m good!
I keep voting for him. He keeps saying he doesn’t want it. Fuck him. When he stops typing Molly worthy shit, I’ll stop voting for him. (smirky emoticon goes here)
I love to elect chiefs, but I’m really content with just being an indian. Besides, I would taint the Order of Molly in no time if I ever received one (heh heh, he said t’aint) See what I mean?
Perhaps you can advise them. I’d like to get my house tainted, inside and out. Is there anything you can suggest? Unholy water doesn’t seem to work.
I cling to the old fashioned notion that people, and other organisms differentiable into males and females, have sexes. Things that are not like that (words, identities, ships, ideas) have gender. For example, I had a friend once who was male in sex but female in gender. She freely admitted to have been born male.
Oh, I get it. “Married” was just a way of letting a fan down easy, wasn’t it. :D
And there you’ve stumbled upon what atheism really is. Atheism is not saying that there’s absolutely no god. It’s saying that there’s not enough evidence to believe there is a god.
Move it away from the Christian construct. Can you say for sure there is no Apollo or Zeus? Of course you can’t. But you have no reason to believe either exists, so you don’t believe in them. Same goes for Odin, Thor, Brahman, Ra, The Giant Rainbow Serpent, Ziltoid The Omniscient, Baal, and The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Atheism is not saying that all of them don’t exist, it’s saying there’s no reason to believe that any of them exist.
Do I believe in God? No. Am I absolutely sure of Her non-existence? No. Working in absolutes is only for republicans and sith-lords. Atheism is a matter of belief, not knowledge. Most people are not gnostic atheists, they are agnostic atheists. For without evidence, any ascribing to knowledge is a matter of faith and thus useless. The question of the existence of any god is unknown and quite probably unknowable, an atheist is one who simply won’t believe without evidence.
This is PZ’s blog and we will control the discussion
you, are about to experience a great adventure…
Speedwell:
God lives in the bathroom of my parents’ house. Every morning my dad would pound on the bathroom door and yell: “God, are you still in there?”
James L Bauer, there is an invisible stick up your butt, if you don’t acknowledge that it is there, it won’t dislodge, thus preventing you from leaving your body after death. Your invisible stick only asks that you affirm its presence when asked, no worship or other woo such as that required by your god-idea.
James L Bauer can you prove that you don’t have an invisible stick up your butt?
James L Bauer do you have a stick up your butt?
@KI:
1) lactase pills
2) http://chocolateandzucchini.com/archives/2007/08/dark_chocolate_sorbet.php
Enjoy!!
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/426685/why_being_an_atheist_makes_no_sense.html
http://www.hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/Atheism.htm
YAWN
http://aaron_mp.tripod.com/id2.html
http://www.existence-of-god.com/author-information.html
former atheist, now Christian. Read.
Why? God doesn’t exist, and the bible is a work of fiction.
Oh Inquirer, you’re just another not too bright christianist. We’ve read the all the crap you’ve provided long ago and it’s still childishly stupid. Your monosyllabic grunts are hysterical though. Auditioning for Young Frankenstein?
LOL. “former atheist”, meaning “didn’t even think about it”.
Some atheists think quite a lot about it, actually.
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
You read.
http://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth11.html
Read.
“inquirer”. The first letter is not capitalized. See post number 536 for the error
Why should we believe anything a weak minded delusional godbotter says? If you had some real physical evidence for your imaginary deity that would pass muster with scientists, magicians, and professional debunkers as of divine, not natural, origin, you might have something. Until then, YAWN, you are a bore.
Being an Atheist Makes No Sense by Nicholos Gene Poma B.S. I cannot be too impressed by an author of an article on religion who feels the need to tell me that he graduated from college.
‘Tis Himself MA, BA.
If I had a nickel for ever Christian who claims to have been a former atheist, I’d have a whole bunch of nickels.
inquirer:
Are you drunk … or incognito? You don’t have to disguise your writing. I can’t hear you…
My last sentence in #541 should read: “If I had a nickel for every Christian who claims to have been a former atheist, I’d have a whole bunch of nickels.”
Um, you..stay…me…go… Night Night.
Good night, E.V. Sleep tight. And don’t worry about the monster in the closet.
inquirer, why is it you choose to believe in and worship the particular god of your specific Christian sect? As opposed to the god of all the other Christian sects, or the gods of all the other religions.
I mean, there are so many to choose from. How long did you spend investigating the others before ‘getting lucky’ with your sect’s concept of Yahweh?
“I also cannot prove there isn’t a Mars Bar sitting on the far side of Pluto right now. Can you? No. ”
The more I read these sorts of arguments, the more I wonder why Mr. “Yahweh” God is the being privileged with being the subject of them. It’s always “Do you believe in God?” Well, what about all the other deities? And celestial teapots and such?
Actually the monster’s parents tell him, “Sleep tight. And don’t worry about the man in the bed.
Read, think, learn, in that order.
inquirer, no read since you present trash. No think, since I require physical evidence which you are avoiding presenting. BAWK BAWK BAWK No learn, because I have already read the bible twice on my way to atheism. It is a horrid book describing a mafia godfather, and the morality keeps biting its own tail. Anyone who follows Yahweh is a loser with delusions, just like yourself.
inquirer
Care to actually present an argument in your own words?
inquirer presents no arguments in his/her own words. Never. inquirer points you to Truth. No interaction whatsoever except to provide answers you all hunger for.
Truth?
Is that different than truth or TRUTH or even the rare but exciting TRUTH
inquirer, if you don’t engage you can be banned as a spammer (click on dungeon on the masthead for crimes) and for being boring. So, either present your own words or fade into the bandwidth. And you present no truth, but only delusions.
Ooh, third person troll. Interesting.
BTW thanks for the Young Frankenstein and monster talk, now I have that damned song stuck in my head…
inquirer gives me the creeps.
Open the pod-bay doors, inquirer.
I’ve always wondered what Tarzan would sound like as a deluded troll. Now I know.
inquirer: We learned. Stuff stupid. You goofball. Read archives. Go away
“If I had a nickel for every Christian who claims to have been a former atheist, I’d have a whole bunch of nickels.”
At least of roll of them, surely.
inquirer, what makes you believe that we *haven’t* read. thought and then subsequently learned that religion is bullshit and god is imaginary?
I know it’s hard for you to comprehend, but been there, done that, honey. There is no imaginary friend.
Oooo! Oooo! Does that mean we get to ask you questions? And that we can expect actual fucking answers? You know, to the same questions that were asked? This would be great, and would seperate you from pretty much every fucking godbot who has ever come in here and blithered. Since it seems like you all learned how to (not)discuss points from the same inept person, I’m gonna go out on a limb and predict that your answer, which of course you won’t give us, is no.
OR, just maybe, perhaps, you meant QUESTIONS (*cue offstage thunder*).
Yeah… That’s what you meant, isn’t it? Questions? You know, the big ones? You meant those deep burning philosophical unknowns that keep us up at night, that wake us from shivery restless slumber to the awareness of sweat-soaked sheets, that cause us to stare longingly at the moon, pause thoughtfully, and wonder “why,” why am I here, what is the point, am I a good person, what does it mean to be a good person, where did I come from and what happens when I die? That’s it, isn’t it? Those are the kinds of questions you think you have answers to, right? You’re gonna look deep into our souls?
*yawn*
If I had a soul, inquirer, and you were capable of peering into it, the only thing you’d see is napalm.
Read, think, learn.
I read, I thought about it and I learned that your links suck.
And you are boring.
inquirer is the type of christian who puts on those Halloween “Hell Houses”. A fundy’s straw man wet dream depicting the evils drugs/alcohol/sex/masturbation/gay/abortion/evil atheism/more evil liberalism versus the milksop sanctity of conservatism and Jebus. No skeletons jumping out at these haunted houses because they’re all back home in these douchebag’s closets.
“Holier”” Hornier than thou” is more correct, CYA accordingly.Inquirer, I read and became a scientist. I thought, and rejected religion of moraly confused and bankrupt. I learned how to live life fully without imaginary deities and fictional holy books. You offer nothing.
And I will vote for banning you as a spammer.
How long does it take PZ to ban worthless idiots like unquirer?
Bah, need more coffee. Previeous post second sentence should read:..rejected religion as morally confused and bankrupt.
Read. Groan. Ban.
Quote, buy, print!
“inquirer” is never capitalized, as it would infer that I am “the” Inquirer, which of course I am not. I am an e pluribus unum inquirer.
Banning is not the answer. Read, think, learn. Truth is the answer, but to find it you must first seek it. In a spirit of genuine seeking.
Banning is never the answer. It serves only to make you seem more powerful than you are; witness the power involved in saying God does not exist, as if saying it causes God to not exist! Deluded fools!, who think banning is the answer, and crude language equalizes the intellect of inquirer with themselves. Fools indeed. Read, think, learn. I have so far given you four items to read. Have you done so?
Would PZ ban inquirer for posting four articles of great interest and asking you to read them? Surely that is “substance” is it not? Why the protest against inaction on my part, when you yourselves have not opined on the given material? A double standard typical of atheists, who wish to have it not only both ways but all ways.
Read, think, learn. In that order.
By your own posts you have indicated that your pointless ramblings should not be banned, but inquirer’s weighty articles should! Shame on you for your intellectual dishonesty and emptiness.
open the podbay doors, small-i inquirer
BOOOOOOOOOOOORING
Ah, an actual meaningless comment. We have read all your apologetics, and they are all false. We have thought, and decided religion is for idiots like the inquirer. We have learned that idiots like the inquirer cannot keep their religion to themselves, like they should in a pluralistic society. So we have read, thought, and learned. Just not what you wanted.
inquirer–do you deny the existence of Odin? If so, then why? What have you read and thought about, concerning Odin, that caused you to deny the existence of Odin?
So, “idiot” is your response to weighty matters, is it? This crude view of the world typifies that of the average atheist, who in reality is unsure of what he or she believes, who actually believes in nothing and yet muddles through life by directing words like “idiot” toward those who advise them to seek Truth. How low can you sink, to avoid any true soul-searching? “Idiot” is your response to any intellectual endeavor.
Read, think, learn.
Someone go back to the four articles and digest them and come up with cogent arguments against their theses, and do not continue to behave as errant children.
See?!!! THIS is what happens when you read those stupid comic books!!!
All I can do is point and laugh. This guy rivals Simon for stupidity(Actually, I think it is Simon trying to disguise himself) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah
If your god interacts with the physical world we would be able to measure, detect sense that.
Tell us why we can not?
BTW, post number 573 is a foolish question and deserves no response from inquirer or from anyone else. Never ever answer an inquiry with another unrelated inquiry. It serves only to show remarkable shallowness of mind, and reveals an inability to concentrate.
inquirer, we have read, thought, and learned. We learned that delusional godbots like yourself lie and bullshit. We have learned you cannot show physical evidence for your imaginary deity. We have learned that morality does not need imaginary deities. We have learned science which has brought so much to humanity compared to religion. We have learned religion is superfluous.
“Point and laugh” is a typical comment of an intellectual inferior who has no desire to digest and comment on useful materials.
OK folks, another looney has escaped the bin, nothing to see here, move along the proper authorities have been notified.
Should PZ start linking to some over-the-net psychiatric services? It seems peculiarly nutty here of late.
inquirer, either put up the physical evidence for your deity or shut up. We are waiting for your physical evidence. Words are meaningless, especially from lying and bullshitting godbots.
Translation: I can’t defend against that line of reasoning.
Concerning post number 578, no, you have not “learned science”, no more than an oceanliner gets into the depths of the ocean. You ride on the surface as well as you are able. For every thing you learn or have learned in science, there are ten thousand things of which you remain ignorant, yet your supercilious viewpoint of yourselves comes from an inane desire to reign superior to those around you, all the while demonstrating, quite ironically, I might add, your base inferiority. You do not even KNOW that you do not know, and my children, this is what I pray for, to God, to enlighten you as to Truth.
inquirer:
Go to your family doctor and inquire about Risperdal and Depakote.
@ inquirer
Why are you here?
And you are immune to this common human condition how?
inquirer: Projection. Look it up. Read. Learn
inquirer, why are you avoiding showing physical evidence for your deity? Is it because you have none? BAWK BAWK BAWK. Until you show physical evidence for your deity, you can’t say he exists. Get cracking.
Oh really? Please explain why this question is foolish. You asserted in comment#552 that you were here to provide answers to questions. I commonly ask variations of this question to Christians. Please do inform me, oh wise one, exactly what this is a foolish question. It’s the only way I’ll learn what kind of questions are actually on the table when talking with theists. After all, we wouldn’t want to offend their sensibilities.
I wasn’t responding to an inquiry. I was asking a question. Surely you know the difference? If not, then you are way out of your league here. Whether or not my question was related to an earlier question of yours shouldn’t be relevant given what you wrote in comment#552, or are you not as concerned about truth as you would like us to believe?
*wank*
Given the limited cognitive ability you’ve displayed so far, I guess I’m probably not going to worry too much about your judgements regarding the depth of my intellect.
10,000? Really? Did they teach you anything about science in school? You theists live in such a sad, tiny, black and white world. Your god is sooo small. Ten thousand? You think that little of the universe? What a depressing and gray little world yours must be. And yet you have the arrogance to accuse us of being supercilious? Wow. You really have nothing to offer this conversation.
Oh, but–thanks for the giant vote of confidence on how much we’ve learned in science so far. That was nice. I mean, to think that for every fact we uncover, there might be only 10,000 related ones that remain hidden…
inquirer #574 wrote:
It appears you want a dialogue, a discussion. And yet, earlier, you wrote:
#552
In which case you posted the links, cast the pearls before swine, and should be on your merry way, secure in the knowledge that we are now all without excuse.
I’m not going to try to interact with someone who, upfront, states that he is not here to interact. At this point, you should be either gone, or lurking in silence.
If you did not mean that, though (and since you are still throwing out challenges, judgments, and pronouncements that seems to be the case), and would like to talk to the people here, then yes, I am afraid that means you’re going to have to go to those essays, take at least one of the best points, and either quote from it briefly, or state it in your own words. After that, it’s listen and respond, listen and respond.
That’s pretty much how it’s always done here, and it usually works out so nicely for everyone.
inquirer is a boring third person pomo Xian apologist.
For your edification, inquirer:
read – implies you understand the syntax and semantics of what is written. You seem to have immense trouble with semantics. the words don’t mean what you think they do.
think – use or exercise the mind or one’s power of reason in order to make inferences, decisions, or arrive at a solution or judgments based on a mental model of a scenario.
learn – the ability to revise and edit internal models to be consistent with new knowledge discovered via observation or thought.
Most animals ‘think’ but generally without great depth or analysis – their mental models appear to be fairly simplistic.
Primates, cetacea, squid, octopi, along with some others, appear to have much richer mental models of the world, and demonstrate planning (in varying degrees of sophistication) and deeper thought processes.
Humans appear to have particularly rich abilities to think deeply and to construct extremely detailed mental models upon which to test hypotheses. We seem to be fairly unique in our ability to hold multiple contradictory models in our mind simultaneously. Greater variety, flexibility and depth in modeling ability correlates well with intelligence (whatever that is)
Godbots in general do not appear to be capable of deep thinking, or of understanding generalized or nuanced models. You, specifically, seem excruciatingly superficial.
Godbots do not, in general, exhibit any willingness (or ability) to revise their internal model(s) based on observational evidence (YEC is a prime example, but any dogma requiring faith in the face of visible physical evidence would do). You appear to be an exceptionally good example of this.
So – why don’t you go back to your little cube and
read. think. learn.
We have read, thought and learned. We reached a different conclusion than you. We reached the only logical conclusion based on the evidence. You’re still swimming in the sea of self-serving delusion. We’re not coming to your house and forcing you to own up to your delusion, so why are you trying to dirty PZ’s house with your delusion?
Says the “inquirer” who presumes to teach all, the humble servant of God who claims to have all the answers.
Is your delusion idiopathic, or was there a first cause?
OK, “inquirer”. I’ve followed three of your links. None of them puts forward anything like an argument for the existence of any god, let alone the Christian version. In short, they are crap. Fuck off.
I’ve gotta give up on this Zen stuff, I want to be pompously self-important! HEED MY WORDS! when I come up with some.
Oh sure, Knockgoats can come and say it’s crap and the troll leaves, but when I said I read it and declared it to be crap…
( I’m guessing Sastra pretty much clarified the best point.)
Post number 592 took the words out of my mouth, so to speak, referring to casting pearls before swine. The swine family is well-represented on this blog, indeed. However, I do not despair, I merely raise issues for you to think about. Read, think, learn, is your new mantra, if you wish to gain insight into Truth.
You all use United States currency instead of traveler’s cheques, credit cards and debit cards. Why are you so hypocritical? If I were an atheist, I would not use anything with IN GOD WE TRUST on it, lest my mere usage of it mark me unwittingly as one who implicitly believes in God, by using such currency as is marked IN GOD WE TRUST. Deluded fools, using currency with something on it that you disagree with! Shame Shame on you. Read, think, learn, in that order.
Your other posts are so much pathetic pablum nonsense, spewing forth venomous emotions willy-nilly, it is a wonder you do not veritably burst with hatred. Shame on you all! Shame on you. The virtuous life will never be discovered by you as long as you persist in your wilful blindness. There ae none so blind as those who actively, nay, choose blindness. Shame on all of you, you are indeed a brood of vipers. Not worthy to debate any theological questions with, as your intellect is woefully inadequate. If your brains were made of dynamite, you couldn’t blow your nose.
Read, think, learn. This is your assignment. Get to it and do it now, and save yourselves from eternal perdition.
Get rid of your coins that proclaim our Father, in GOD WE TRUST, or be forever hypocritical, getting change out of your pockets and using it, thereby unwittingly subscribing to the inscription contained thereon. Wake up, deluded fools.
Wow, inquirer, after a long line of idiotic trolls, you’re the stupidest troll yet!
Who are you to call us hypocrites, when you yourself are one? You typed this comment on a computer, did you not? That computer runs on electricity, does it not? Unless you can demonstrate that you know that none of the electrical power that you use is generated by processes that use oil, coal, or uranium, then you are using the fruits of evolution to shout that it doesn’t work. Hypocrite.
You can argue that evolution isn’t true, but we use the principles of evolution to do biostratigraphy (a good phylogeny being necessary for a good taxonomy). Biostratigraphy plays a part in the search for all three of those substances which I listed above. You might not believe in the theory, but we use it in part, rather successfully I might add, to provide you with petrolum products.
WHY would you use petroleum, lest your mere usage of it mark you as one who implicitly accepts biological evolution?
POE!!! You had us going inquirer. Wow.
I thought that referred to some weird american banking thingy – a Depositary – like the GOP but more trustworthy (just as the motto says).
In ‘Grand Old Depositary’ we Trust.
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inquirer #600 wrote:
No; if you were an atheist, you would realize that words have no magic power to “mark” anyone. We do not think the words belong on the money because they violate certain principles regarding the relationship of government to religion. But there’s no dangerous, evil supernatural forces let asunder by silly words on a piece of paper, nor are we violating some sort of covenant by ignoring them for pragmatic reasons.
I don’t think you understand us very well. Really.
You really are a mouthbreathing idiot aren’t you?
I notice you haven’t answered my responses to your questions or links.
We have a Poe hypothesis on the table.
I notice that in the face of inescapble logic, your only recourse is to repeat the word “idiot” ad nauseum. You are like wandering foolish sheep, bleating incessantly, thinking you are shepherding the shepherd and not the other way around. Poor deluded sheep. And the tragedy is that the sheep think they are intelligent! Here on the blog they follow each other around bleating “idiot” “idiot” whenever words of wisdom are presented for their edification. Poor poor lost sheep. They think they are more than sheep, and this is truly pathetic.
When will each of you stand up like a human being and talk with each other with a modicum of decency, sheep who are bleating aimlessly in the meadow?
“Get to it and do it now, and save yourselves from eternal perdition.”
Sweets, if my being in “eternal perdition” means not having to spend eternity with the lying, hypocritical, babblers of nonsense likes of you, bring it on! Sounds like paradise.
“When will each of you stand up like a human being and talk with each other with a modicum of decency, sheep who are bleating aimlessly in the meadow?”
*lol* I second the Poe motion. This is to freaking sublime to be authentic.
If you want decency, then posit your position and show the evidence by citing the peer reviewed primary scientific literature to back it up. If it is a philosophical argument, you can ignore the citing, but show other evidence. But, you need to put something on the table which you have not done to date.
Otherwise, you need to fade into the bandwidth.
Inescapable logic from you? Where? You haven’t even touched on anything that approaches logic let alone inescapable logic.
And you, the one who gave us those links are calling us sheep and then complaining that we call you and idiot? Hilarious. When will you toss of the bonds of supernatural thinking and join the rest of the rational people?
Please come up with better arguments or go away.
Those links you gave are miserable example of Christian apologetics. And that’s saying a lot as Christian apologetics already occupy a high rating on the miserable logic scale.
inquirer very seldom makes typographical errors but he did in post 608, should be “inescapable”. I point this out prior to the sheep bleating at the top of their lungs “he can’t spell. Look, fellow sheep, the human cannot spell”.
I now have other activities which demand my attention, so the sheep are now free to roam the meadow at will, until I return with more links for you to study, and remember, above all, what you are to do, sheep. Read, think, learn. Do not follow each other like so many veritable sheep in the meadow, as you have been doing for two days now and perhaps longer. inquirer is here only to guide you, and if I make humans out of any sheep it is not my doing but yours. By choosing to behave correctly with a modicum of elementary courtesy, I think some of you can make the difficult transition from sheep to human beings who show respect. But this specifically excludes Josh and EV, who are beyond such a transformation. Enjoy your evening. inquirer shall return tomorrow. I tell you now, read the materials I have provided, so as not to further waste my time. Your time cannot be wasted, as sheep cannot waste time, as they have no concept of it. Stand up and act like human beings. The next time I come on here, the very next time, I expect all of you to have shed your name calling.
Ugh.
yeah Poe.
“The next time I come on here, the very next time, I expect all of you to have shed your name calling.”
After calling us sheep that many times? *lol* Weve, douchehound.
What a breathtakingly stupid argument.
I trust then, dear “inquirer”, that you’ll never resort to reading your Bible by the light of an incandescent bulb.
Let me guess: You’re Canadian?
HAHAHAHAHA! This is the best you can come up with?
Read; Think; Learn:
http://supreme.justia.com/us/465/668/case.html
Lynch v. Donnelly, 465 U.S. 668
I would suggest that such practices as the designation of “In God We Trust” as our national motto, or the references to God contained in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag can best be understood, in Dean Rostow’s apt phrase, as a form a “ceremonial deism,” [Footnote 2/24] protected from Establishment Clause scrutiny chiefly because they have lost through rote repetition any significant religious content.
And of course if the words are indeed truly a religious sentiment, then they are in fact illegal and should be removed from the currency at once.
Speaking of using things that you disagree with…
That same money, with God’s name and that declaration of “trust” on it, is used for every sort of immoral and illegal transaction there is. It’s been used to pay for drugs, for porn, for stripper tips, for prostitutes, for male prostitutes, for child sex, for every other sort of illegal sex that Christians find disgusting, for illegal weapons, for assassinations and murders, for terrorist funding and weapons deals…
And of course (less morally and more theologically), that same money is used for donations to every non-Christian religion that there is.
The very universality of God’s name on money that goes anywhere and everywhere does, indeed, make God’s name utterly profane.
Deluded fool that you are!
Poe. Sigh.
The sheep continue to bleat!
“The sheep continue to bleat!”
This is funny because, christians – like this inquirer douchehound – are Jesus’s flock and he the Shepard?
*heehee* total poe.
No, I don’t think iNQUIRER is a Poe. The spelling and grammar are good, the condescension is excellent, but the godbotting is mediocre at best. Usually with a Poe the godbotting is strong and the other attributes are weak.
I’m afraid the
smug egomaniacone-trick pony has thrown a shoe.If inquirer is a Poe, it is time quit. It is becoming unfunny, like any joke dragged out for too long. If not a Poe, we have time to sharpen our naughty language to give him something to think about.
Fuck.
EV, we got a “beyond such a transformation.”
I might be on board with the Poe, by the way.
Actually, since the God of Money is the false God Mammon, and given that it is well known that all false Gods are, in fact, Me, the statement on US currency actually is a profound declaration of obeisance to Me, Satan.
And all Americans are unknowing Satanists.
Wait a minute. You can’t have them all.
I want some of the clowns too!
I notice that in post number 621, after I gave instructions not to, you capitalized parts of “inquirer”. Sheep do not follow instructions well.
Good afternoon, sheep, one and all. Especially EV and Josh and please please try to make sense here on the blog, or I will see to it that all of you are banned. Are sheep even allowed on a blog? PZ would know, if he knows anything at all.
Do you use any of the following words?
Tuesday (Tiw’s day, a germanic sky god)
Wednesday (Woden’s day, the Norse father of the gods)
Thursday (Thor’s day, the Norse thunder god)
Friday (Frigga’s day, Norse goddess of married love)
Saturday (Saturn’s day, Roman agricultural god)
Seriously, though, did you think we hadn’t already heard (and laughed) about that argument?
Bleats? These ain’t bleats. Now, this is a bleat (though not a sheep).
That’s Dr. to you, Inquierer, but good afternoon to you as well. Go take your meds.
Oh, nothing can be denied to You.
Clowns abound. You can have all that You want.
Fuck off Satan. You’re just God with bad breath.
inquirer’s “IN GOD WE TRUST” blather reminded me of a conversation I had with a couple of coworkers yesterday. In a discussion about the evolution of language and the problem with literal translations of idioms (specifically, the “Jambo? “Jambo!” greeting exchange of Swahili, which comes from an exchange that originally translated as “You have no problems?” “I have no problems”) one noted that good-bye comes from “God be with you”) and the other half-jokingly asked why atheists would use such a word. In a similar vae, I noted that a Christian such as he should be even more grateful that we don’t take idioms literally as he’d rarely be able to make an appointment without invoking a heathen deity in either the day or the month.
And I see DaveL made the same point as I was typing. Don’t forget the months of January, March, May, and June!
I want this “InQueerer”, for one.
Although I bet even “inQUEERer” will become boring after a while. Why do clowns go stale so quickly?
So, “InQUEERER”. You’re getting a bit repetitive. Can you think of anything original to amuse Me, the Lord thy God?
Go on. Say something funny!
“Sheep do not follow instructions well.”
You’re right. Christians don’t even agree on the rules of their shepard, much less follow them well.
“Especially EV and Josh and please please try to make sense here on the blog, or I will see to it that all of you are banned.”
Oh c’mon – this has got to be a poe. Not a funny one, but still a poe.
Weren’t Julius and Augustus raised to godhood after their respective deaths? If they count as gods, we can add July and August to that list as well…
You must ban them well, and after you are done with them, you may deal with them as you like…and then…ban me. [PZ’s ilk] “And me!” “And me too!” “And me!” [/ilk] Yes. Yes, you must give us all a good banning.
And after the banning, the oral sex.
Weren’t Julius and Augustus raised to godhood after their respective deaths? – Owlmirror
I think Julius only made it to demi-god – bit of an underachiever!
+10 for Brownian
“Can’t I have just a little bit of peril?”
“No, it’s too perilous.”
To sheep, everything besides bleating is very unintelligible, and must be talked of in terms of deriding the person, a very sad failing indeed. The resort to name-calling is actually indicative of deeply insecure personalities.
With a little hard work, I feel that most of you, though not all, can make it from sheep to humans, but the hard work is up to you. There are no shortcuts.
My first lesson to you comes tomorrow, that of being decent to one another and to visitors here on this blog. Elementary manners and lack of rudeness. Those are your short-term twin goals. You must also discard the pitiable bleating. You follow one another blindly, and you virtually deify (pardon the pun) PZ, although in his biography he himself describes himself as a third-rate instructor. Why do you follow him so blindly, sheep? Think for yourselves.
But, to start with, you can dispense with terms such as “idiot”, “fool” and the like. The use of this invective only serves to display your lack of intelligence and manners. If you are willing to apply yourself diligently to inquirer’s lessons, you may do well. This remains to be seen. Look for my first lesson in basic decency tomorrow. Until then, no bleating!
will no one rid me of this tiresome
priestinquirer?better yet – just fuck off.
with apologies for pseudo-historical accuracy and especially to Thomas Becket who does not deserve the ignominy of sharing a quotation with slime such as inquirer.
Oh fuck, inquirer’s got a lesson for us. Having been [unbuckles and removes belt] raised as a [unbuttons and unzips pants] Christian, having [removes pants, starts removing shoes] attended a [one shoe off, begins to remove the other] Christian school, and [removes shirt, leaving only socks and ginch] having attended and participated in church [slips off ginch] services, I know what [completely nude, bends over nearby table] that includes.
inquirer:
Blow me. And you can shove your arrogance and your pretension up your retentive ass.
Oh, I forgot the magic words, please and thank you.
inquirer still here? Damn, I feel for you guys without a killfile. It’s designed for dealing with exactly that kind of scumbag turd.
Wouldn’t it be hysterical if PZ locked inquirer out? Tomorrow comes and “Hey! WTF?!! I was going to pontificate!!!!”
I shall probably vent my spleen on the morrow and mayhaps let loose a few invectives not appropriate for those of delicate constitutions if inquest dare squinny at me. I’ll be forced to feed the hoary swine his own bollocks and heap scorn and mockery about him.
My other obligations being completed, I now turn to the question of decent behavior.
Post number 641 “fuck off” and “slime”
642 “fuck” followed by a description of what Tony does best.
643 “blow me” “ass”
644 “scumbag turd”
That is four posts in a row where atheists show their true colors, that they are hateful and beyond redemption, socially speaking. They lack social skills, that evidently were never transmitted to them from their parents or their peers, they see the world as “us against them”, all they talk about is a God they profess not to believe in, their puny minds cannot comprehend the entire universe nor the construction of it, and the pitiable thing, above all, besides their sheeplike behavior around one another, is this constant invective leveled at all outsiders who do not share their dismal and deluded version of reality.
Name-calling, my friends, is for juveniles who will never grow up, it is for low intelligence levels whose idea of a conversation consists of four letter words, it is for losers of a particularly onerous type, who lash out at the world merely because they are unable to believe in God. They take out this frustration on inquirer, among others, but inquirer only takes pity on them and prays to God to forgive them their abominable behavior.
They are literally unable to carry on a conversation unless it is replete with insults and verbal abuse. Every single time they use those words they indelibly mark themselves as atheist losers.
Come on, little sheep, PZ is your shepherd. Let me hear you all bleat! One two three, BLEAT! Ha ha. Little lost deluded sheep, mindless and arrogant beyond belief. I pray for all of you, my children. You will learn, whether at the end of your miserable lives, or before, that there is a God. You are far from Him but draw closer, closer yet, come closer, and you can meet Him and let him reform your miserable little failure lives. He can work miracles, and to turn swine like you into men, is itself a great miracle.
Sigh. This one’s a real spunkbrain, isn’t he? Was there one thing he said that made any sense whatsover? It was a kind of extended, unending parsing of the phrase “I wank”, never reaching a climax, without issue, without thought, an ugly combination of hand, penis, mouth and “brain”, an ugly, twisted face at a window which makes the children run off screaming.
He must be a returnee from the dungeon. Which one?
Should he try to come again, as it were, could we use the power of censorship available?
What have sheep ever done to him? Standards too high? Ugh.
Oh inquest, you’re so full of
shitoffal you must have rimmed and felched half of the religiotards in your congregation. Do you love to linger at the perineum before you open wide to receive your heavenly manna, you pompous zealot?The stench of your effluvia is overwhelming, oh gaseous one, so close your mouth before the flies come.
Oh Hooooollbaaaaach! We’ve got a live one for you!!!!
No, most definitely a Poe. Jesus himself told me so.
(A tip o’ the hat to the Rude Pundit)
Atheists are determined to talk dirty, eh? Then no amount of instruction from inquirer about basic social etiquette is of any consequence. I therefore leave you, permanently, to continue to rant and rave and shake your puny fists at the universe all around you, all the while thinking you have life’s answers, when in reality you don’t even have the questions. Adios, ill behaved atheists.
Well, the hypocrisy is amusing… a little…
Of course there is a Me. See? Here I am!
No… I think you, at least, are a lost cause. Squeal and oink some more, why don’t you?
Although he does have the naked assertion patois of the conceited Christian down. “Sheep do this…” “Men are that…” Everything is a statement without support. “Cheese flies upside down!” “Water is greedy!” No wonder theology has never spawned much beyond murder.
Nor for you. You don’t come to an atheist site, godbot, and expect to be met with total politeness, since you were rude to godbot in the first place. After all, religion/god is one of those things polite people don’t talk about.
You mean all it took was “felch” and “rim” ? And inquest you can shake your little fist right here, Badda boom badda Bing!
Yeah. Heard that one before. Betcha a handjob you won’t be able to leave without one last dig at the fact that I just mentioned a handjob and called you a fuckhead just now.
Proof that god doesn’t exist. A spanner without a recess. A smooth screw. An thinkable thought, unthought. It is no more than a posited, rejected, hypothetical, expression of junk DNA.
And why do I keep thinking “sex offender”?
And then mentally apologising to them?
Dance, Christian Poe, Dance!
Where’s your Free Will now?
I’d better shut up. I’m sure there will be much more deserving recipients of my insults to come. Though if the standard’s as low as this I worry that the cretin crunch is truly upon us.
Oh come on, guys. Inquirer wasn’t for real. He was having a go at us, and probably an atheist himself (or herself.)
(The irony of all this is I really don’t like scatological references, but I can get much ruder if I have to, witness JLB. The repressive religiotards deserve the best!)
True, but it’s not because “Atheists are determined to talk dirty”. It’s because you, yourself, have been a hypocrite from almost the very first post where you made an argument. Remember? “Deluded fools”, you called us, multiple times? Not to mention sheep, then swine, and all the other smears and slams.
You’re nothing but a foul-mouthed hypocrite yourself. You cannot teach what you don’t know and don’t demonstrate knowledge of.
Say, who wrote this?
Did you change your mind? Maybe Sastra, an atheist, convinced you to. Heh.
A huge lie.
So, we’re masochists who like being insulted, degraded, and lied to? Come on. You’re just projecting. You like it when atheists talk dirty to you.
I’ll defer to you Sastra,but you have to deal with inquirer if he’s not a poe, I don’t because Josh and I are beyond transformation. ; D
AnthonyK:
I see you’ve been huffing Liquid Wrench again.(#658)
Yeah!
*raises fist dramatically*
And we’re, uhm, proud of that. Yeah.
*shrugs, takes a drink of this nice Malbec and turns back to the manuscript he’s editing*
Seems to me like a rubber suit kind of guy. I did think Poe, but a good Poe – if such a thing exists; oh, of course it does – there’s Edward Current – stops after a while, and has a modicum of wit to it. This one, if it has any wit, is in homeopathic quantities only, like he met a man who’d once seen Blues Brothers through a TV shop window.
Well you guys know Poes better than I.
What do you reckon, Poe or pervert?
And how dare you accuse me of huffing! That’s it. I’m outta here!
*slam*
I See What You Did There…
Straight-faced, outright self-parody like this is the hallmark of a Poe. Unfortunately it’s also not uncommon among sincere religious zealots.
[Sigh] Such is Poe’s Law.
And you can fuck off, God. Satan’s got a much bigger dick – and he’s not gay.
Shhhhhhhhhhh! Keep it down, Lost is coming on in a few minutes.
God’s not gay, He just likes men cause He got borned that way.
Nah, God’s got a two way pooh-chute all right. And his son was gay too. That’s why gay adoption’s such a risk.
*cricket… cricket*
Umm… I don’t think I would have gone there.
Baaaaaaaaaa. We are little sheep with little minds. We think we are the shepherd, but we are sheep. inquirer wants to teach us but we are only sheep and have very little minds. Oh what shall we do? Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I know, we will go to the self-described third rate prof and he will clue us in. After all, he was brave enough to run a nail through a communion Host. Talk about a brave guy. Hurrah!
I see our goat is back. Let’s give it some herbage and let it loose in the back pasture.
Go away child. I read your links and they are the worst kind of apologetic garbage.
There’s just nothing there, is there Nerd? I mean at least the rabid godbots make some kind of sense, but this one?
It has the same insane self-confidence, based on no available evidence, the same psychotic narcissism, the same argumentum ad wankum…but this is oddly unhuman.
Got it – creationist science fair, Turing test. What do you reckon?
Fuck it, made me drop my
Hence my original reaction.
I don’t know that I have ever read something as self-unaware as Inquirer (who the fuck are you to impose on proper English usage, asshole), such third-person arrogance, such bat-shit crazy sense of importance. Poe or fuckhead, I can’t tell. If not a Poe, woe is us.
My name is PZ and I rant and rail
I just ran a host through, with a simple nail
I showed them how simple I really was
An if they ask me why I did it I just say cuz!
YAWN, Boring.
Whatever. Poe or not, it appears incapable or unwilling to answer questions or to post anything interesting. Starve it as though it were a troll.
with such third person pretension – inquirer is a PoMo Poe.
Listen to KI, will you? What a mind. Sheeplike, but a mind nevertheless, and look when he gets angry, why, he is as profound as the losers anthonyk and ev and the little guy josh. Between the four of them they can’t come up with enough intelligence to unscrew a lightbulb. Poor deluded sheep.
Watch them spew their venom like so many snakes! Oh it is so impressive. Do you each get an award from PZ for so much venom poured out? or is it only when you pierce a host with a nail that you find your true calling and time on the news stations? Bravery, bravery itself. I am impressed, with all the little sheeplike minds. AnthonyK you are kind of a loser ringleader but I like you. I have a piece of paper you can run a nail through if you like.
Incidentally, no reason to allow it just to be an occasion to indulge our nihilistic atheistic anger – do you know how Turing met his death?
The good man, who played, of course, a central role in the decryption of the Enigma code at Bletchley Park, was hounded for his homosexuality. Forced to undergo hideous aversion therapy (one of the reasons I still fundamentally distrust psychiatrists) and banned from working in any useful capacity whatsoever, he eventually took his life by eating an apple laced with cyanide. It was found by his side, one bite taken.
The inspiration for this was the film Snow White which Turing had seen before the war, several times, and much admired.
This, and much else of interest is in Simon Singh’s The Code Book
As for the twat, my vote is dungeon. It’s just too creepy to be allowed to live.
Anthony, such words of wisdom in post number 689. Really, I am impressed, you did not have a foul mouth in that one, not too badly anyway. What happened?
No, I won’t go there – but then, there’s no there there. Just another sticky keyboard merchant.
Reply to 682, I do whatever I feel like doing.
plonkenhiemer
Back in my Deadhead days, I used to meet folks like this-so besotted on psychedelics that they assumed some sort of self-delusional godhood. Third person references, a sort of monarchical overlording attitude, as if they could just make us disappear with a wave of their almighty scepter.
So, my question is: where is he getting his LSD? Owsley’s out of business, and Sandoz hasn’t made the stuff for years, do you suppose he kept his stash together all these years and has just found it?
YAWN, still a boring goat.
Here’s a link for you inquirer. A little something to remind all of us who truly lacks any shred of decency.
Have a nice day, honey bunny!
Have we met?
KI, Weir sez that “Estimated Prophet” was inspired by one of those guys.
Well I’ve done acid, man, and it never made me like that.
viz.:
Well, Rev, I’ve been to Charleston a couple of times. Were you the guy at Red Rocks who had to be talked down off the cliff before it got dark?
Sven- “My word fills the sky with flame”, that guy, indeed!
AnthonyK-me either, but I was always careful to have a good setting, and be in a stable frame of mind before dosing.
Oh, KI, in 694 you are positively profound.
Bear may (?) be out of that business, but he does (or did) have a website.
At the Dead or Widespread Panic. And which year…
Nah. I was never the really freaked out acid guy, though I tried a
couplebunch of times.ssssssssssssssssBOOOOOM!!!
ah fuck. Another Irony Meter for the slag heap.
Thanks, Sven, I’ve seen that-I wish like hell I could afford that cool dragon pin. I like some of his crazy stuff, and the stuff about climate change causing an ice age got me into a bunch of interesting research about ice ages and how they come about, even if Bear is kinda out-there sometimes (Garcia said “There’s nothing wrong with Bear that the loss of a few billion brain cells wouldn’t cure”).
Since this is effectively a dead thread (now, literally!) and there’s no one listening, I thought that we could get back to discussing my list of 100 reasons why PZ Myers is the greatest man who ever lived. We were on about number 32, and his superb personal hygiene. I know that I will be the envy of my fellow PZsychophants in saying that a friend of mine was once in a lift with the great man when He inadvertly broke wind. My friend acted with the greatest promptitude and opened up an empty jam jar he had in his pocket, covering the movement with a deep bow as His Holiness left the elevator. Every year, on the anniversary of the event, and on St Darwin’s birthday, we gather together under a black cloth with a couple of capillary tubes, and carefully imbibe the aroma – which is something between the smell of a newborn baby, freshest Madagascan vanilla, and mountain rose, with just a hint of Las Vegas Whore, to add depth. I think there is about 3 years’ worth left.
I know you will all be jealous. Does anyone else have a sacred memory they would care to share?
@AnthonyK
http://www.catwack.com/pics/210.jpg
Post 705 is in error, it is Jesus Christ who is the greatest man who ever lived, who created PZ, just to see him turn his back on Him.
Never too late for salvation. go to http://www.menorah.org/eetract.html one and all.
Read, think, learn.
God forgives you, if you come to Him and ask forgiveness, repent (turn from your sins) and believe that He is God and will save you. You will be born again, from above, you will be godly, you will walk with God instead of aimlessly wandering about the meadow.
one day, who knows when, every knee will bow in front of God. You will actually have to stand in front of God and give an account of everything you have ever done or said or thought. But if you do as I advise, you can avoid all that and be judged right with God ahead of time, before you die. After death, it is too late. Belief is not enough, even the demons believe.
Ironic that demons believe in God, but you people don’t, eh?
I heard that all atheists really believe in God, they just want to be in charge so they purport to believe in nothing but themselves, so great is their need to be in charge of everything within sight or hearing. Foolish foolish lost sheep, come to the Shepherd before it is too late. And while you are yet alive, it is never too late.
Come, come out of the meadow, cease bleating, and follow. You are not in charge, you did not create the universe, you cannot create so much as a dead leaf. What power or real control do you have over your own lives? It is illusory.
Wake up, and see. Deliver yourselves from blindness. God loves you enough to put up with your daily nonsense. Someday, either this side or the other side of eternity, you will come to know this as a fact.
Now, rant and rave all you wish, but you remain sheep and always will be, either for or against God, but your personalities have convinced me that all of you on this blog with the exception of Sastra and Kel, are sheep, following each other blindly, the blind leading the blind.
Read, listen, learn. I know you can do it.
WTF?
Read, God doesn’t exist. Listen, No sound of god. Learn, you can live without imagainary deities.
Yep, inquirer, I did what you asked.
“inquirer”. The first letter is not capitalized. See post number 536 for the error
Spamming is a tossable offense.
engage or be destroyed.
So I’m a stupid loser little guy sheep that’s beyond a transformation because I asked him questions that he never answered.
Nice.
Christian love shows itself once again.
Funny how none of these guys ever drop the R2 on the curve. They always raise it.
Hmmm. No, “ironic” is not the word I’d choose.
Wank the banner!
Demons, god, both figments of the imagination. One imaginary creature believing in another imaginary creature? Time to call for the men with straightjackets.
Whoever told you this was either completely wrong or a lying sack of shit. Considering your blathers, I’ll go with the second choice.
inquirer sheep de sheep. Sheep de sheepity sheepy sheep. Until one day, the sheepa sheepa sheepasheep. Sheep de sheep, da teedily dumb. From the creators of Der, and Tum Ta Tittaly Tum Ta Too, inquirer is Da Sheep Dee Sheep Da Teetley Sheepee Sheepee Dumb. Rated PG-13.
If I had a hammer
I’d hammer in the morning
I’d hammer in the evening
All over this land
I’d hammer out danger
I’d hammer out a warning
I’d hammer out the plonking of this troll
Yeah. I bet you also heard that there are no real atheists in foxholes, either, right?
Guess what? False statement. I’ve crawled under my share of automatic weapons fire and have never, once, invoked a god, especially not yours.
It’s telling that the “inquirer” only addresses the “rude” posts, as if the more civil criticisms didn’t even exist, and then applies the “rude” characterization to all. This behavior is predictable, and is typical of his godbotly ilk.
Yawn. Boring. Been there. Seen that. It was moronic the first seven hundred times, my dear egomaniacal “inquirer”. Not that you’ll ever accept that, given that hubris is your constant companion.
Incidentally, I believe it was Prometheus, not Jesus, who created PZ (if indirectly). Mankind existed prior to the birth if Jesus. I think that’s beyond dispute.
Yup. Typical godbot. Can’t even get the most basic, obvious facts right.
pierce a host with a nail
Some people just can’t get over the fact that we killed their god with a simple, rusty nail.
Yeah, I know you thought he was all-powerful, omniscient, ever-present, etc.
It’s just too bad you had to figure out how to force him into cracker form and make him all vulnerable.
All we did was take advantage.
so, what will you do other than gnash your teeth now that your god is dead, eh?
here’s a suggestion:
realize he never existed and move on with your fucking lives, so you won’t be considered pathetic fucking losers by everyone else on the planet?
Inquirer is what happens if you let the Dolly the sheep near the internet.
Your “loving, benevolent” god would give me eternal punishment if I don’t properly believe in it? What an asshole it is. Any god that sadistic isn’t worthy of my belief. And if it does exist and does so punish me, I’ll spit in its face because that’s what it deserves. No, Inquirer, I most certainly will not believe in or even pretend to believe in such a god. And it doesn’t say much for you that you feel the need to worship a sadistic bully.
Inquirer, I didn’t think you could top yourself, but you did.
That is hands down the dumbest thing I’ve read this week.
If we don’t believe in a god, why do you think we’d believe in demons?
And to your sheep comment
John 10
Who are the sheep again?
I’m incredibly disappointed.
After following a link concerning the antics of PZ Myer, I began to read these posts..wondering why people didn’t believe in God..I truly expected to be reading some interesting conversations which might have served to help me understand the atheist mind set..
On the contrary..I’ve seen only sophomoric banter..there is no logic to be found here..no depth of non-belief..apparently just a group of bored, mindless young people who applaud themselves..shades of Animal House IMHO..
Mankind existed prior to the birth if Jesus. I think that’s beyond dispute.
Well, in Paul’s theology, as well as in the Logos theology of Jonn, Jesus represents God’s Wisdom, or the Logos, who preexisted everything except God the Father and was present with God at creation. The gospels got literalized, or historicized, by later generations. But there’s good reason to believe that they were originally understood as midrashic reworking of Jewish Scripture on these lines, and that Paul had no concept that the “earthly Jesus” was a near-contemporary living in the time of Pontius Pilate as the canonical gospels have it, but was this mythic (and unheralded, at the time) figure from the distant past. The urgency of Paul’s gospel is a recognition that what had recently occured in Galilee was post-resurrection appearances to “the elect” warning that he was soon to appear in power and glory as The Son of Man and usher in the Kingdom of God, variously conceived.
Just sayin’
What do you expect when we are responding to the likes of the “inquirer”?
Pb-ft, your opinion. We don’t believe in god. Period. End of story. Nothing further. But, we have lots of godbots who feel we must be presented with their delusions of god. So we mock them and their beliefs until they go away. You will be included if you push imaginary deities at us. Your choice. Choose wisely cricket.
Sorry to disappoint, leadfoot. Pharyngula is pretty big and sprawling these days, and I can well imagine that it would be difficult to show up and get a feel for what goes on here in a mere hour or two of reading. I can assure you that interesting and intelligent conversations about all manner of things do occur often in these threads, as well as the funniest sophomoric banter on the web.
Pb-ft #724 wrote:
I truly expect you would need to ask specific questions.
no depth of non-belief
congratulations! without even realizing it, apparently, you actually stumbled on the core of atheism!
there is no “depth” to non-belief. It is the default state of being. All of us who have abandoned, or were never infected with, the religious meme never need to build a house of cards to begin with.
What you call “depth”, we call piles and piles of completely useless junk and baggage.
atheism is simplicity itself; it needs no defense of any kind, much like “not stamp collecting” needs no rationalizations.
clearer?
It’s only the religious who need to construct apologetics.
Whatever. If just ONE of you would ever come in here interested in a real discussion, you would receive it. But that never happens. None of you ever want dialog. None of you are ever interesting in actually talking about ideas. What we get are either drive-by posters (you, I suspect), or trolls like Inquirer, who seems to avoid actual dialog with the same zeal that Republicans seem to avoid facts.
You get sophomoric banter because that’s what you give us. Take a look around, why don’t you? Follow the comments for a bit. See how often our questions are actually answered. See how often the links we provide for folks are actually followed.
Respect in Pharyngula is earned. We don’t bestow it lightly because the word actually means something to us. Most of you aren’t worth it.
shades of Animal House
you mean like:
“Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”
physician, heal thyself.
…and why is it that none of these trolls can manage to spell PZ’s name correctly, even though it’s right fucking there at the top of the site?
Is it some sort of sophmoric conspiracy?
or is it more likely complete obliviousness?
I tend to support the latter.
Josh, post 711. WHAT Christian love? There is no such thing, remember, little sheep?
The rest of you are typical moronic atheists, accusing believers of being unable to engage in discussion, but you yourselves are selfish egotistical little sheep, bleating in the meadow. All you can do is call people names but when they do it to YOU, oh no, you have thin skin. Ha. Little lost sheep, repeating mantras all day and all night. Listen to the sheep bleat!
If a Christin acts in a way that you think is unchristian, you jump on him or her, but you don’t even believe in Christ, so your mouths should stay reverently shut. Losers. Unreal losers. And Rev the know it all is one of a kind. Sastra is the only decent one on here.
You make all the rules about engaging and discussion and others have to do what you want, then you threaten BANNING, and spammer, you call them etc all because we have a mind to use. You yawn and do other stupid things, say “boring” etc but you are truly truly losers, in the biggest sense of the world. You lose out on salvation, which is available to all and this is what I would like to tell you.
You think you know it all, don’t you. You don’t know jack shit, rev and nerd redhead, and josh, three of the biggest losers besides the know it all Anthony……little sheep in the meadow, thinking they are each an Einstein. Makes me want to vomit.
I see our bleating goat is back unable top say anything of substance. YAWN, what a boring troll.
John 10:11-18
What’s that baaahing again sheep?
Right now we’re dealing with a silly goddist who’s proselytizing at us. Since he’s giving us the same “ya gots ta believe or else” bushwah we’ve heard a bazillion times before, we’re playing with him. It’s like a fisherman playing a trout or a cat playing with a mouse.
If you want to know why we don’t believe in god, then step up and ask. We’ll only get rude if you’re rude or, worse, boring. BTW, boring includes assuming that we know nothing about whatever flavor of goddism you’re in love with.
Jack Shit, Rev Redhead, Nerd Redhead, Josh.
I count 4.
Seriously? Show me where I called you a name in this thread. I can show you places where you called me names. Show me where I called you one.
hehehe
Inquirer. I’ve told you numerous times, I read the links you sent. They are pitiful examples of Christian Apologetics.
Nothing more. No great enlightenment. No new information. Nothing.
Trolls mangle my monicker. The Redhead is my wife of many years. I’m her electronics guru, all things computer related, so I’m her nerd. Since I’m also a scientist in real life, it fits there too.
I’ve never met them in person, but I’ve have discussions with Rev BDC and Nerd of Redhead and have read Josh’s comments often. I will admit I don’t know this Jack Shit person. Is Jack a friend of yours? Incidentally, you mentioned three losers but gave the names of four people. Which one isn’t a loser?
Thankyou for your opinion. It is valuable to us but…
If I may be so bold?
It shows a certain naivete, a callow inexperience. One might expect that one who sought after truth, or merely to poke at the apparent facade of facile opinions and easily won self-approbation, such as yourself, might be inclined to delve a little further, so as to grasp the inner nettle and find the harsh truths beneath the veneer of jejeune unsophistication.
In your haste to judge our frequently playful asides, directed at some of the people with ill-disguised psychoses and all encompassing theories of everything (centring, inevitably, on themselves) who inhabit the internet, you may have failed to notice the deep and sincere intent and intellect we put to this service.
I humbly submit, that should you chose to spend more time you might, rather than merely perceiving atheists as engaging in cartoon antics with shadowy and insubstantial foes, instead understand that this is exactly how we perceive relligion and its ready descent into delusion and murderous paranoia. For, to debate with madmen, you must sip a little of their madness.
Now, go fuck yourself, you pompous religious prick.
You don’t understand, do you?
It isn’t necessary to believe that a particular person existed in order to know what that person is supposed to have written.
And it isn’t necessary to see that someone claiming to be a follower of that person is not behaving in the manner prescribed in the writings of that person.
So, for example, many people, including atheists, know that it is written in the bible that Jesus said: “Love one another”.
If someone claiming to be a follower of Jesus then appears, and the first thing this supposed follower of Jesus does is insult and curse, then anyone, even an atheist, can see that the supposed follower of Jesus is not behaving in a loving manner. Because those who love their fellows as themselves do not insult and curse their fellows with arrogant and prideful insults and curses.
See how simple it is? So simple, even an atheist can see it. And of course, the atheist will then mock and insult the supposed follower of Jesus for not following what they know was written in the bible.
This is sad, but the supposed followers of Jesus will not receive any better treatment unless their behavior changes.
Here endeth the sermon. Amen.
Amen brother.
And you can also demonstrate where I suggested this?
You really do enjoy making things up, don’t you? You could be cladist.
Huh wha?
Never mind. It was a way inside joke…poorly delivered.
OK…I just didn’t want to have to hit you over the head with a synapomorphy.
Meh…you’re only waving synapomorphies around because you don’t have the balls to drop the dreaded apomorphy. It’s too close to the nuclear option.
But it’s okay. I know how to deal with members of plesiomorphic outgroups like you.
Calm down Josh, you’re in a clade of your own, even if is just a teensy bit paraphyletic – in a good sense, of course.
Anthony, post 742 is a riot. Did you copy that out of some textbook? You couldn’t think of it on your own.
Josh, take the xanax, two whole mg, please :)
Humpf. I’ll have you know, Anthony, that I’m a very gneiss person. All of my faults are normal.
Josh, take the xanax, two whole mg, please :)
You haven’t the slightest clue what he just said, do you.
pathetic.
Josh, are you a systematist?
I can only figure someone with great familiarity with cladistics would make a joke like that.
One thing societies hate is a hypocrite. For all the talk of Christianity being morally superior, we have every right to point out when one acting under the pretense that their view is morally superior when their behaviour does not reflect that standard. Furthermore, morality and behaviour of individuals in a certain religion has consequences on a wider societal base. And since we are all members of society, we have every right (and some would argue a duty) to let people know when their behaviour is out of line.
If someone is preaching love your enemies while sending out death threats, surely you can’t get more hypocritical behaviour than that.
I can’t believe you can run out of taxonomic puns in such a short time, Josh. I had always understood you systematic bods to be a singularly light-hearted and witty bunch – I fear I have misjudged you. It appears that, at heart, you have the morose spirit of a mere phenetician.
Or am I too narrow in my classification?
Nah. I can hold my own in systematics, but I’m not a cladist per se. I know what I’m doing, and I’ll run an analysis when I have to, but I’m usually trying to answer questions that are tangential to those of strict phylogeny.
You, on the other hand, recognized the secret handshake pretty quick…
Phenetician? Ouch.
I feared we would lose the lurkers completely if we kept on that trend, so I thought some lithological expansion might be in order. Sadly though, it appears I resolved little more than a polytomy. Depressing. It might be time to bust out the node-stem-triplet.
Did someone page me?
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Hi Inquirer, you typed this:
Another liar for jebus. Yawn.
Lithological expansion? Man, you must be living in the stone age. But seriously, go for the whole node. That would be so much more classy.
Stone age? Shit, man, I’m in the Miocene.
Sven +1
Never really been miocene. Still, each to his stone.
inquirer is obviously intellekshullee supeerieer to us all.
We wish him the best in his personal fight against bulimia.
Man. It’s been a long day. Time to get foiliated I think.
Kel, you are very sadly mistaken. When someone attacks me, as did many here, and I give it back to them, I am made out to be the villain, so please, spare me the double-standard. You read the prior posts when inquirer first posted, and then tell me the hatred was not there against me. Which is fine, but let’s not trot out some double-standard and complain that someone is not Christian-like when you don’t even believe in Christ, please please stop that kind of drivel, Kel, I mean, really….oh you are not acting very CHRISTIAN, says the atheist, give me a break.
Sounds like someone knows his daily recommended dosage.
interesting.
Post 755 is laughable in that it seeks to censure those OTHER than the atheists here, for bad behavior. Give me a break, you hypocrite. Reread the posts. What a mentality.
inquirer can practice relaxing his gag reflex with Ray Comfort’s banana.
Oh, he’s back? Imagine my shock! What little “nanny nanny boo boo” comeback will you resort to now, inquirer?
I saw your early posts, all you did was post a bunch of links and refused to properly engage in discussion.
On the countrary, I found your evangelising and being devoid of any real substance to be very CHRISTIAN ;) It took you 15 posts to even begin to attempt to engage others, before then it was posting links, returning spite and espousing ‘Read, think, learn.’
How about you read the post for what it is, rather than complaining about what it isn’t. The post was a direct criticism of your “An atheist can’t criticise a Christian” and had nothing to do with the behaviour of anyone else – only your inane statement.
We’re not persecuting you for being a christian, we’re persecuting for marching in as a total douchebag. You were an asshole from the word go, baby-cakes. So now we just get to laugh at your silly little impotent responses.
I see our goat still hasn’t said anything of substance. That means he has nothing of substance. He and his ideas are just a pale ghost fading into the bandwidth. But the goat has no idea on how to say something of substance. Here is how you do it.
Your god doesn’t exist since no physical evidence has been presented to make it real. Your bible is work of fiction, since without a god, it cannot be a holy book. QED.
Let’s all laugh mockingly and scornfully at inquirer! hahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa
inquirer you came here and posted some links to crap- that we have all heard & seen before, too many times. the initial responses you refer to simply said – (I paraphrase) – not that shit again – care to offer something new or original, or at the very least something in your own words?
You then resorted to some half-assed pomo third person sputum, denigrating the quality of all the posters here – other than your own self, of course.
Since then your contribution to dialog has been zero. zip. nada. niente. nuttin.
You appear to start a conversation, then ramble off into some strange psuedo-philosophical byway.
Your humor – isn’t.
Your only original contributions have been attacks on the quality or tone of previous comments – you never actually get round to answering any of the questions.
Example: Kel referenced your lack of adherence to christian morals and behaviors as defined, of course, by christians themselves. You chose not to respond with any counter, but simply attacked Kel for daring to use a publicly defined christian behavior-set as a baseline for comparison to your demonstrated behavior.
You, sir, are a liar, a hypocrite, and a troll.
And Tony laughs at you! Hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahaaa
I’ll join in the laughter at our boring goat.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I’ll also ask PZ to ban the goats ass if he doesn’t say anything of substance by this time tomorrow. Something of substance is not commenting on our attitudes or attempting to make fun of things. Something of substance is like my second paragraph in #773. You lay out an idea and back it with evidence.
Ha.
He doesn’t deserve any more than that.
To go one step further, he attacked me for not applying the Christian-set of behaviours to non-Christians. Why should they apply? Christian principles aren’t a universal code of conduct that all must adhere to, they are just another set of rules that some people preach as a behavioural base. Those who preach that and then fall short of their own standards are hypocrites, it’s that simple.
Inquirer’s longer posts remind me of Tool’s Message to Harry Manback. So ya, I think you were all spot-on when you called him out as a maniacal deadhead.
But thank you all for the laughs, again, even you, Mr. Goat (your bleating post was lolious but I still hope PZ takes the stick to you soon enough). And a hearty HAHAHAHAHA at you-know-who.
Inquirer doesn’t deserve my laughter. He isn’t funny.
You people demand this engagement and that discussion and this and that. You don’t deserve anything more than the contempt due vermin, due to your blind obedience to your Oracle PZ, who runs a nail through a communion host like a mindless fool, this causes Christians to follow up on the incident, then they come across this pathetic site with the sheep bleating and complaining, not reading their own posts to see the venom, then accusing the OTHER of being unchristianlike, what a pathetic bunch of assholes.
I can hear it now, baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Judge not lest ye be judged… motherfucker!
Bleat goes the goats of imaginary deities.
YOU people are complaining about people attacking YOU? from the very first, you are nasty, venomous snakes, shamelessly parading your stupid ideas, then you have the audacity to say oh he attacked me, all the while you people attack everyone who comes on here.
I explained to you vermin why I ended up here. It was not to preach to you, people don’t preach to vermin and garbage. It was to break all your balls for the communion host incident. That was the only reason I “engaged” you in conversation. Your minds are too little to assimilate what little I have imparted to you in the way of knowledge. Bleating at the top of your collective lungs, naturally you are unable to hear what is said. The pathetic part is you complaining because someone is verbally abusive to you, yet you are verbally abusive to all believers, so get it right, vermin, your new name, vermin, including the brave brave PZ, who runs a nail through a host like a moron. A lead sheep if ever there was one. Look at the photo of him on this blog, looks like a typical moron, with a dopey look on his face like he just thought God out of existence all because he is blind as a bat. PZ, who typifies the atheist mindset of duh, look at me, duh, I am a atheist, duh I hate God, duh, there is no God, duh but that is all I can talk about duh duh duh. No god see I did it lower case, I am brave, I talk to god who don’t exist, duh, I ran a fucking nail through a wafer, duh, I am brave eh? Duh, my little friends like EV and other pieces of shit here applaud me duh, I think for myself duh, I think I am right, I am in love with myself, I am EV, in love with myself, EV is extreme vermin….Josh is for Just joshin if you thought I was intelligent. Rev dumb chimp ,what a moronic handle, duh, we all follow PZ with our head up our butts duh unable to think for ourselves, but our hero prof tells us what to eat everyday duh……but we are superior to all who visit this bizarre blog, this center of hate, this sewer of iniquity and double standards, where all must behave except the vermin….what a veritible Animal Farm, only Orwell was not writing about you vermin. duh, I know, I know, inquirer i this or that but you are without blemish……duh, PZ got up at 6 this morning, I wanna do the same. PZ can I run a nail into a harmless wafer WITH ya, huh can I huh? Duh
I think Inquirer does have a point guys.
Not.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha etc
Got to love how these fundie idiots no matter what will appeal that atheists are part of a cult of personality. We are under Darwin, Dawkins or PZ on any given day. If the discussion is on evolution? We’re Darwinists, blindly following Darwin’s theory that he so recanted on his deathbed. On atheism? Then we are all blindly following Dawkins because it’s cool. But evolution and God aren’t incompatible, just ask Francis Collins! And on this blog? We must all worship PZ, for he is the admin and will flagellate any dissonance among the worshippers here…
It’s so formulaic that it shows how pathetic these fundies can be.
Rats, sheeps, goats…..sometimes I wonder why I came to this funny farm in the first place.
Oh, in is just inquirer. Read. Think. Learn… oh wait, that was just your first 15 posts here you condescending little shit.
I beg your pardon, there’s only one “sheep” here. I was misled by the loud bleating.
Anthony and Kel, two of the best you’ve got on this blog? Come on now. The usual drivel from atheist double standard vermin. What is PZ going to do? Engage me in some stupid conversation of his? Tell me how he proudly pierced a wafer with a nail? If so, I am not interested in stupid antics like that, showing not only remarkable shallowness of mind but a dopey worldview that plays to the cameras and reporters. I mean, what kind of moron runs a wafer through. What is this, a kid’s tv program? PZ deserves not only utter contempt for his irreverance, but a proverbial kick in the butt, and so does EV, which I would gladly do for him anytime he feels getting one.
If PZ does any “flaggelation”, we can be sure it would be intelligently designed.
in squealed (like a pig):
What someone writes on their personal blog counts as ‘parading’ now? I think not.
Don’t like it? Then feel free to fuck off. No-one’s asking you to stay.
[Checks balls] Nope, my balls remain unbroken. I guess you failed, huh?
[cough]projection![cough]
We get a lot of people wailing about ad hominem fallacies, which are almost always just insults. This, on the other hand, is an ad hominem. A piss-poor one written by a barely literate fuckstain, mind you, but one nonetheless.
Either believe there are no gods – they can’t hate what doesn’t exist. Do try to grasp that.
No, that’s religious believers. That’s why they have holy books they aren’t allowed to fault. We don’t.
Is your computer broken? Can you not switch it off or go to another website? Is someone holding a gun to your head, forcing you to be here? No?
Then fuck off.
That’s some weapons grade incoherence right there. Step away from the keyboard, dude – all the froth and spittle isn’t good for it.
You come on here and simply post links to apologetics sites, then spend the next 10 posts telling people to “read. think. learn.” Do you honestly think that anyone is going to be impressed by those antics?
That explains a lot. Jesus says love your enemies, to turn the other cheek. Did you read the latest Bill Donohue screed? Think that sending a bunch of links is going to actually convert people? How about this, get off your fucking high horse and actually engage people in conversation. Show evidence for your beliefs and make a case for yourself. You did yourself no favours by posting links then condescendingly telling people to “read. think. learn.” Go fuck yourself fundie!
Do you actually believe that a priest saying a few magic words turns a cracker into Christ-flesh, then actually partaking in that ritualised cannibalism?
Is that bore still bleating?
inquirer, if you want to whine about how you were treated here, go ahead. People weren’t nice to you. But honestly, what kind of reception did you think you’d get? You came on here, posted a bunch of links to apologetic sites and condescendingly said “read. think. learn.” You automatically started talking down to us, and it took you 15 posts to even say anything remotely resembling engaging in dialogue. So if you want to actually get anywhere, drop the arrogance and engage people in dialogue.
For fucks sake, I make one post – impersonal, in response to a comment you made, and you took it as if I was having a personal attack on you and promoting the actions of others on here. You are looking to take offence so you can dismiss what anyone else has to say without consideration. You’re a pathetic example of your religion.
Now, now Kel, he did say we were the best on this blog…I do feel sorry for him, I mean all he did was to gently point out the errors of our ways and engage us in pollite conversation – yet all everyone can do is to criticize the poor zoophile. I do feel, seriously, that everyone here, especially PZ should apologise and start all over again.
What would fucking Jesus fucking do, eh?
His apostles?
Poor in, with his delusions caused by his belief in an imaginary deity and a fictional bible, he can’t even put together coherent sentences. Bleat, bleat, bleat, bleat.
In, you have the freedom to take your silly, inane message elsewhere. Do so. Otherwise, the only sheep here is ewe. You blindly follow an imaginary god like a sheep. Bleat.
Whereas we respect PZ, but we also disagree with him and each other. No sheep here, just humans who are rational.
There is zero historical evidence that Jesus was gay. His dad was, though.
It would be good, I think, if Inquirer made like a good shepherd, and got the flock out of here.
How To Actually Talk To Atheists (If You’re Christian)
Read, think, learn
Coming from a sheep like you I’ll take that as a compliment.
Seems like you might have blown a gasket. You might want to calm down before you stroke out.
Tell us about your amazing Cristian Apologetics links again?
Like for example this juicy bit of logical fail
Argumentum ad populam and argumentum ad antiquitatem, anyone?
Shifting the burden of proof seems to be to popular argument on those sites as well. Sorry. Not going to happen. I’m not requiring you to disprove every other god to prove yours. Though I should.
How about this little tidbit of dumbfuckery
Yes and in order to prove that there aren’t 20 gods you’d have to do the same. Or actually no you wouldn’t. There are are no traces of God’s “hand” interacting with this world, anywhere. Not once has anyone empirically shown the existence of a supreme being or even a supernatural one for that matter. They haven’t even shown the results of a supreme being (or beings) or a lower supernatural one’s interactions with the physical world. That quoted bit of text from your link above, my little friend with an increasingly problematic blood pressure issue, is one dumb fucking argument.
You’re trapped in a culture that rewards proud ignorance. Your church doesn’t want you to actually know things. It wants you to fall in line and tow the party line. It wants you to spread its message so it has more bah’ing sheep (remember John 10:11-18?).
Grr, I added a part to the Stephen Robert quote up there from the site I got it from
Should of course only be
Venom? Again In, show me where I’ve been rude to you or called you a name. I can now add “asshole” and “snake” to the list of names, as well as “pathetic” to the list of adjectives, that you’ve applied to me.
SHOW ME where I’ve called you a name.
You’re complaining about a standard that you yourself aren’t living up to.
He’s just a paraphyletic fuck, if he really wants an erudite insult.
But, like I said earlier, think man in rubber suit, the sort who has to undo something to speak.
Zip it, you abuse whore.
…another nice demonstration of how little attention I should pay to any intellectual judgements that come from you.
*yawn*
That was being rude to you, BTW.
*shiver*
Now I’m gonna have that image in my mind all morning.
Thanks.
As a former Christian, I must tell you inquirer, you’re hysterical! It must really suck to be you! So impotent, so ignorant, so puny, arrogant and clueless at the same time. Watch your blood pressure or your little head will go “pop” like the little weasel in the song. I, for one can’t wait for your next post, I’m sure it will be as amusing as all your other rants. Don’t worry, we’re laughing
withat you, funny guy.(IB $20 he goes with his limited repertoire of sheep noises/ ‘smarty-pants’/puny fist shaking, and “you guys don’t know nothin’ and the usual pathetic threats.”)HAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I propose that inquirer shall be known henceforth as the gimp or gimpy. (Cue Dick Dale soundtrack)
You mean like this Reverend?
Makes me want to vomit. – inquirer
As indeed you have. Repeatedly. All over the thread. It stinks.
in[quirer] mumbled:
The claim of the christian is perfection. If you can’t live up to that standard perhaps you should make up a new god-idea. Apparently any less than average person can do it, so don’t hesitate, let your imagination go wild!
Incidentally, how many folks do you have living inside your head Inquirer? Just wondering because I note that there is apparent disagreement over which has control of your mind.
Again the “inquirer” shows his true colors, this time by senselessly attacking Josh.
Be gone, you contemptible fool.
In the best preserved, most original christian bible (Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia = the Leningrad Manuscript) there are actually 5 (five) named jewish/christian deities: Capo de tutti capi is named El Eljon and the other are Shaddaj, El, Shaitan and a local chap called JHWH (exclusively for jews and Israel).
Any christian who doesn’t believe in all five is a de facto atheist.
I just came across this and read all the posts and the language is amazing, as is the very shallow reasoning of most of the ones who posted. The level of intelligence of the atheists on this blog is questionable at best. You have attacked fine Christians on here, and in a brutal way worthy of beasts in a forest, certainly not on a level with human beings. Just the way you TALK to people is disgraceful.
Go fuck your self.
A perfect example. How utterly manly of you to use that kind of language. I am deeply impressed. Are there any more of your mentality here? I fear so.
Do you have a point you’d like to argue beyond whining about language?
Oh, no no no. I for one, cannot condone anyone saying ‘Go fuck your self.’… Rev, for shame. I must protest. That’s just so wrong…
It’s ‘Go fuck yourself.’
See? Compound. Very important.
(I mean, fuck. Get it right, man.)
Yes, yes, we know. We’re bad. The Christians are above reproach, even when they LIE. And they of course don’t ever draw first blood. Ever. Of course not.
Good point. AJ, my bad.
I wonder if our virginal eared[eyed] commenter has something he’d like to discuss beyond yelling at the kids to get off his lawn?
I’ll even promise to to curse so as not to distract him from making a point that is worth something.
That is disgraceful. Beast!
I’m sure you meant: Go fuck yourself, please.
No worries. Typos. What can ya do.
Oh, also, just checked: Elements of Style also would accept ‘Go fuck yourself sideways with a rusting chainsaw, you vapid, godbotting wank.’…
With or without exclamation point.
Carry on.
I see that with the addition of your erstwhile playmates we are up to approximately second grade level now. That is very very good to see.
Oh don’t worry, your attitude Ron is at a kindergarten level, which all that we expect from prudes.
You read 819 comments of a thread that you found not just distasteful, but abhorrent? Why?
Perhaps you mean “worthy of lions in a Colosseum.”
The beasts of the forest rip, maim, eviscerate, and consume. I see not even one drop of blood here.
You need to get out more.
Who’s the “fine Christian” who was attacked? Surely you can’t mean that passive-aggressive, condescending hypocrite who so pretentiously calls himself the Inquirer?
Get thee hence anon and subject thyself to autocoitus.
What grade are we up to now?
I see that we have a very concerned citizen here who will misuse a word like “erstwhile” in a fruitless attempt to sound genteel.
Again I ask. Do you have a point beyond some prudish whining about language?
Make a point and I’d be happy to discuss it with you. If not please, keep the whining to yourself. You are filling in the all whine no substance stereotype of Christians, and you wouldn’t want to do that would you?
Rev, I do as I please.
Oh… oh… (jumps up and down in seat)… Let me try:
Sir or Madam or Beast of Indeterminite Sex, it is the general and stated and well-considered opinion of a large and thoughtful constituency amongst the general populace of this forum of interchange that civility is frequently of considerably less virtue than is directness. Accordingly, the use of language which may or may not be rich in traditional or more creative expletives, and which may or may not strongly imply we are of the opinion that your opinion–assuming we can even discern you have such a thing and that we can reliably determine even what it is–is poorly considered and of little value and would best be flushed into a near and convenient sewer may very well occur frequently. You would be best to accomomdate yourself to this reality, as complaints about this fact are unlikely to receive an especially sympathetic hearing.
Moreover, as such complaints of incivility as yours are rather regularly levelled against those criticizing a prevailing opinion (such as the notion that deities exist or we should all at least pretend we think they do) and not so much against those upholding such opinions, it is difficult to be especially sympathetic. To quote Mill:
… and …
… this last as excerpted by Ophelia Benson in Butterflies and Wheels here.
(Oh, also: I’m rubber, you’re glue.)
As do I. Now again, do you have a point?
Not with you, perhaps with others, at my own discretion, regarding time and content. Then again, perhaps not. As I said, I do as I please.
yawn.
Ron is a pointless preschooler.
Yeah, I’m thinking my original comment was more appropriate than I realized.
YOU are “thinking”? I doubt that very much.
Still waiting to see if you have a point beyond typical trolling.
Ron’s point, that he has already made, is that everyone’s rude and that being subjected to strong words is akin to being torn apart by wild dogs or hungry grizzly bears. He ignores questions directed to him, however, because he’s not interested in having an exchange, only in lingering long enough with the intention of annoying someone to the point where they are rude to him, at which point he can cry, “See? See?”
Of course, you were rude to him immediately, and yet he is still here, so maybe I am wrong about that.
It’s an inventive and unique approach that has never been tried here before. Let’s see how he does!
Pretty obvious Ron can’t make any sort of point beyond some priggish pearl clutching.
Watchman, I commend you. You bring up the level to third grade.
shorter Ron:
Harumph! Harumph I say!
blah blah blahhitty blah-blah.
And so, from your numerous insightful comments, am I to conclude, albeit tentatively, that you’re really not interested in discussing anything substantive?
No Ron is just an asshat taking up bandwidth. But he knows that.
In a way it is like watching animals at a zoo, as I watch the atheists demonstrate just how shallow they are, how little their minds are, how they have no self control. Just like watching animals at a zoo, except here there is no admission and the animals talk.
Who will be the first to retort in a fourth grader way, then we can bring up the level one more notch? You have already worked your way up to third grade! Please don’t stop now. I know your little minds can do it.
Is that English?
Professor Roschach, the content of any communication is much more important than little discrepancies found within it, but let us just say that it is not German.
A little judgemental there, aren’t you, Ron?
What isnt? Are you confused or something?
Ron you have an amazingly high self image for being someone who comes to a blog complaining only about the language used and when you are asked to tell us your point all you do is waggle your unwarranted maturity cock at us and refuse to get to it.
If anyone is behaving like a child it is you.
Now, do you have a point?
If not I’m done feeding your public masturbatory fantasies.
Professor, you asked if what I posted is English, remember? It was only a little while ago!
Rev, you are not tired of anything, you are one of the monkeys in the cage where I throw a banana in and they all wreak havoc with each other trying to get to the one banana. Please speak only when you are spoken to, Reverend.
And you most certainly are NOT done coming on here being childish and using coarse language, not by a long shot, or longshot or however the English experts here term it. This is rather fun, to throw one banana into a zoo cage and watch the animals scramble for it.
Yep, no point. Just an attempt to feed your own ego while being laughed at by everyone else.
Wank yourself all you want. Later moron.
Ron Nobles,arrogant smug liar for jebus being smug and arrogant @ 856,
I havent encountered this troll before,but he sure is impressive.In his brainwashed arrogant smugness,anyway.
A nice one.Good one to start the day with.
Sad, really. But hey, he was right about one thing. It wasn’t German.
No, this is German:
Mach es dir selber.
… aaand this is French…
Va t’faire foutre.
…. and this, in case you should have occasion to use it, is Brazilian Portugese:
Vai te fuder.
… as to…
(B-movie Sigmund voice on)Herr Doktor Chimp, I find I must disagree vis your analysis. Der Ron Nobles Troll does not to my mind, how you say, have high self-esteem. You vill note his tragic view zat ze bananas in zis cage are his to throw, und, indeed, zat he himzelf is outside ze cage. No, zis ist his vey of overcompensating for ze now painfully clear fact zat heez life is most empty, und ze puerilely und transparent baiting of ze perceived enemies on ze Internet ist his sole remaining strategy of distraction…
Vell, for siz und ze fact zat he has, how you say, very, very tiny balls…
(/B-movie Sigmumd voice off.)
Ron Nobles, is trolling this thread really so important to you that you’d revisit it after having had a good night’s sleep? Why? What’s in it for you?
I see Ron Nobles is stil trying for the Asshat of the year award. But then, thinking isn’t his strong suit, so he might actually get it.
Over-use of the Argument from Elementary School Playground Social Dynamics should be grounds for banning.
Starve him. He’s really not worth it.
Sigh. Boring troll is boring.
Hey Watchman dude,
thats my movie,find your own.
:-)
Memories of nights in french pubs,beating the locals at table soccer….*Sigh*
Find my own? No way, Kovacs. I’ve been using this handle for years. :-p
Dude, have you ever really, like, looked at a banana?
wow
Watchman dude,you might like this then :
Of course he would like it. It is dark, cynical, and full of violence and generally distasteful, so it is right up his alley.
Now, here is another banana thrown to the monkeys. There is no such thing as an atheist. They all know there is a God but they like to play at rebellion so much that they deny God, knowing all the while that He exists, just so they can make themselves completely unaccountable to anyone for their words and deeds. At the very least, not one atheist says to himself or herself that he or she KNOWS for a fact that there is no God. They are just gambling, like a casino, hoping there is no God but not really believing it, not deep down.
They disguise their belief very well. They relate to others, particularly Christians, by using foul language, as their only real “weapon” because they are typically very shallow thinkers, BUT they perceive themselves to be veritible Einsteins. Now watch as they all crowd to the zoo cage bars and defend themselves, and you will see the inevitable, predictable foul language.
But that is part of the picture. They cannot speak without speaking in a very coarse fashion. They just cannot do it. Sit back and watch.
Ron Nobles,
you are a particular sickening example of a brainwashed xtian zombie,good to meet you.Please hang around,so as many people as possible can witness your moral bancruptcy.
You know,this blog gets about 40 hits per minute.We need more of your kind to show the world what religion does to the human brain.
Nice try, Ron. Generalize much?
I’ve got one for you:
All Christians, no matter what they profess aloud or in writing, would secretly love to see every atheist stoned to death or burned at the stake for his infidelity to The One True God, his rejection of Jesus Christ their Lord and Savior, and for the most unforgivable sin of all: his denial of the Holy Spirit.
Go ahead and refute this, if you can. As with your own most recent claim, the proof is built in to the assertion, the question is begged, it’s ironclad and irrefutable.
Nice. Another unsupported assertion. Please review my comments on this thread, and build an argument around what you find, rather than simply talking out of your hat.
Perhaps what we have here is a simple case of projection. You find this blog and its commenters dark, cynical, full of violence and generally distateful, and yet you keep coming back to stir the pot and watch the reactions. What does that reveal about you? Please show your work.
Does this triple identify assist you at all?
Yawn, as I said earlier Ron Nobles is of limited intellect and this was shown in his #868 post. He lies. But then, that is expected of those of limited intellect who believe in imaginary beings. Ron, you could convince us of the existence of god if you could show physical evidence that would pass muster with scientists, magicians, and professional debunkers as being of divine, and not natural, origin. But then, you will make no attempt to show any evidence since there isn’t any except the delusion between your ears. Boring, boring troll.
To be precise, “identify” is typo, it should read “identity” but I am sure you get the point.
No, still an ignorant troll under any name. Show us you physical evidence for your imaginary deity.
Posted by: Ron Nobles | April 30, 2009
In a way it is like watching animals at a zoo, as I watch the atheists demonstrate just how shallow they are, how little their minds are, how they have no self control. Just like watching animals at a zoo, except here there is no admission and the animals talk.
I cannot help but to think that this persona comes from a famously awful movie.
Speaking of awful movies, your own Gruesome Janine handle could qualify as a title, don’t you think so?
You ignorant little worm, the titles I have used comes from trolls like you.
Don’t worry Ron, you are just as stupid under any nomen. If you have a point, get to it. You are just as boring too.
Ignorant little worm, that must have taken you all of a couple of seconds to invent. Nerd, thanks for your usual lack of insight
Of course they do, and Odin is His name. Did you have a point?
So what kind of lowlife shows up after a couple months to mouth off? Asshole is pretty much all one can say. “Inquirer”? pffft
Ignorant little worm, that must have taken you all of a couple of seconds to invent.
That is all the time you are worth.
Everyone’s looking for a “point”, as if you yourselves have one or have ever had one worth talking about.
You take yourselves way too seriously. Lighten up. What an uptight bunch of folks, no laughter just darkness, come on people, wake up and smell the roses once in awhile.
Life is not all about seriousness all the time.
Ron, what is your point? You are a troll and we will treat you as such. Pete Rooke tried to play a regular to no avail. You will find him in the dungeon, your desination if you don’t get to a point. So far, your only point shown is to demonstrate your ignorance.
And yet you’re still here. Rather like the kid who doesn’t get invited to the cool kids’ party on a Saturday night and spends the whole weekend loudly proclaiming that he didn’t want to go anyway.
And yes, the tiny slice of any one of us that comes through in our comments, on a blog, absolutely captures the full measure of who we are. Again, your reasoning skills are simply astonishing.
It’s all unimportant though, my friend. Odin will still accept you. It’s simple–just stop worshiping false deities and come to Him.
Yes, it assists me in identifying you as a duplicitous liar, whose sole purpose here is to spread a little venom in a pointless attempt to somehow even the score. Have fun with that.
Sock-puppetry and Morphing can get you banned here, by the way.
You still haven’t addressed any of my points, or attempted to justify your amusingly unmindful misuse of “erstwhile”.
However, I must agree that Gruesome Janine could be the title of a memorably bad movie. I also like it as a band name. It could also be the common name of a medieval instrument of torture, but you’d probably know more about those things than I would, Tomás.
LOL! Wow.
*facepalm*
How could I have missed all the lighthearted humor in all your previous comments?
I am deeply, deeply sorry.
Apology accepted, Watchman!
Ron’s sarcasm detection gear seems to have malfunctioned.
This would be great, and would seperate you from pretty much every fucking godbot who has ever come in here and blithered