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[Lounge #361]

This is the lounge. You can discuss anything you want, but you will do it kindly. Baby penguins are fuzzy.

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  1. Beatrice says

    Joe,

    I think Daisy was talking about not calling people who get off on docking sad and that they like what they like because they have problems. You know, not judging what turns people on and all that.

  2. says

    Daisy,

    Noted, and retracted. I should have said “losers and weirdos”? No no, I kid. Somewhere out there, someone has fetishized missionary sex with the lights off. Just because something isn’t your thing doesn’t mean it isn’t a valid thing.

  3. Beatrice says

    Sorry for shortening your n<m to Daisy, Ms. Daisy Cutter. And I was too slow posting.
    *sigh*
    Not my day.

  4. says

    carlie,

    That’s fine, I’m not judging the person I’m judging the value of preserving the Lounge atmosphere. I’m not going to fight anyone here, or be drawn into a fight here.

  5. says

    BTW, everyone who voted in my Great Guitar Selection Thingy gets their names thrown in a hat, and the week I buy the Horde-Hammer, SpokesGuitar the winner gets a custom Surlyramic designed by me.

  6. portia says

    the winner gets a custom Surlyramic designed by me.

    squeeeeeeeee. Thank goodness we didn’t need an ID to vote…

  7. says

    OMFG, John Boehner has decided to back up Mitt Romney’s lies about Obama’s welfare policies, and he is doing so in the most blatant possible way.

    Link.

    …”The president came out and announced that he was going to waive the work requirements that are outlined in the 1996 welfare reform bill. He’s the one who said it. And those work requirements have in fact facilitated moving people from welfare to work. … For the president to try to waive those work requirements, I think, is wrong for the country, and it’s really wrong for those people on welfare who need training, who need skills, who need to get into the mainstream of American society. The premise of your question I think is wrong.

    “All I know is that he did it. Why would he do it, you know, 90 days, 85 days before the election? I’ll let you answer that one.”

    One answer might be because several governors — including Republicans Utah Gov. Gary Herbert and Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval — have asked him to. (Sandoval now claims he does not support work waivers.)

    As HuffPost reported earlier, the charge stems from a July memo from the Department of Health and Human Services, which invited states to apply for waivers “to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies, and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families.” It did not end work requirements, as multiple independent fact-checkers have attested. Fact check link.

    ..Boehner’s support of Romney’s false charge plays into a larger strategy. The New York Times reported recently that the former governor’s aides believe that the welfare attack “resonates with working-class voters who see government as doing nothing for them.”

  8. ImaginesABeach says

    Thanks, Ms. Daisy Cutter, for expanding my vocabulary and for reminding me that Wikipedia has an article on darn near everything.

  9. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    Joe, I get the joke. But the way you said it was extremely dismissive. RTL had a legitimate beef. That’s all I’ma say unless anyone wants to fight to the death in THUNDERDOME!@@!!

  10. says

    Another OMFG moment from the Republican convention: the Young Guns have set up a Woman Up! pavilion at the RNC.

    There are no displays or discussion about contraception or abortion. They are basically denying and/or ignoring all the anti-woman legislation Republicans have passed. They are going with Romney’s line that the Obama economy is a war on women. They also don’t like “socialized” medical care, but are unclear as to their reasons for this stance. “Hey America! Don’t Take This Road: The Europeanization of the United States,”

    …As for the “war on women,” Carter [Mary Anne Carter, in charge of the "space for women] retorts, “I would say the current economic standing of the United States is a war on women. I would think that the current healthcare bill that may or may not be repealed — I don’t want to call it Obamacare but I can’t remember the name of it — is potentially a serious war on women, allowing women to make their own healthcare choices.”

    What, I asked her, would be harmful to women about the Affordable Care Act? A breast cancer survivor, Carter cited a federal task force that in 2009 recommended that women in their forties get mammograms every other year instead of annually. But those recommendations have no bearing on the Affordable Care Act, which actually requires insurance companies to cover mammograms fully as preventative care….

    http://www.salon.com/2012/08/27/what_womens_issues/

  11. says

    I still can’t comment on Greta’s.

    Here is what I want to say:

    “Now I know what I have to stand up against.”

    Much leftover from ChristianOrOtherReligion dogma that “wimmings be emotional and imagining things, that’s why we can’t have wimminz priests and they be governed by their emotions because god and evolution.”

  12. broboxley OT says

    Momo #499 what you are describing is
    subscribe to every rss feed you have the slightest interest in
    filter on catchphrase, send link to inbox
    most mua’s have that capability built in

  13. says

    MOAR RIFTS!!!@@@@!!@@!!@@!!@!@!

    Rift? Imma put my pee-pee in it!

    … I’m desperate to have a catch phrase, and “there’s good eating on a fetus” still hasn’t taken off.

  14. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    Gileill,

    That’s so basic. How irritating!

    Also: News sites? Blogs? Date your goddamned posts, especially if they’re about technology Nothing like reading a whole article about apps that’s been completely superseded and made irrelevant.

  15. says

    I think we need a few more Republicans to step up and say stupid things about women’s body, don’t you?

    Next up at the plate is Pennsylvania Senate candidate Tom Smith. In answering a question about Todd Akin, Smith said this:

    What that congressman said I do not agree with at all. He should have never said anything like that.

    I lived something similar to that with my own family. [He then described his daughter’s out-of-wedlock pregnancy — from consensual sex.]

    She chose life, and I commend her for that. She knew my views but fortunately for me … she chose the way I thought. Now don’t get me wrong. It wasn’t rape.

    Put yourself in a father’s position, yes, I mean it is similar.

    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/08/gop_senate_candidate_likens_ra.html

  16. portia says

    fortunately for me … she chose the way I thought.

    …if he realllly thought it was a person in that uterus, wouldn’t it be fortunate for the FETUS?! Am I the only one who thinks that simple phrase reveals his property-view of his daughter? Not to mention that if she had chosen termination, his judgmental ass probably would know nothing about it.

  17. says

    Dear people who sell fabric on the internet: what’s so hard about putting the weight in your item description.
    “beautiful red fabric” really doesn’t tell me what I need to know.

    Sing it.

    Also, Dear people who sell shoes and clothing on eBay: often a similar minimum amount of information is necessary. “Brown women’s shoes”? Not sufficient. “Blue sweater”? Also not sufficient. No, your one blurry photo of your shoe’s insole or the cuff of your sweater is not helping.

  18. says

    Joe:

    “there’s good eating on a fetus” still hasn’t taken off.

    *sidles away from Joe, clutching tummy protectively*

    DarkFetus might be big enough to serve two, but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna let you serve her up as tapas!

    (She’s hiccuping at the moment. It feels… weird.)

  19. Beatrice says

    She’s hiccuping at the moment. It feels… weird.

    This strange image almost makes me want to be able to feel something like that at some point.

  20. says

    Audley,

    That’s part of my pro-abortion thingy. Since you want your fetus to become a person, I’m going to put away the BBQ sauce. See how it didn’t take off?

  21. says

    Tony

    I suppose I could if I knew what the heck they were and where to get them at. I take it this is something used by hikers to purify their water or something?

    Yes, that stuff. We used to buy them in outdoor shops.
    ++++
    Everything’s better with fabric, hehehe
    Well, I was checking out embroidery patterns and fabrics with my BFF for her daughter’s baby-quilt. I’m planning on making it a unisex fantasy quilt big enough for a normal-sized bed so the babby can use it for a very long time.

    Audley

    DarkFetus might be big enough to serve two, but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna let you serve her up as tapas!

    May you can let him have the placenta?

    +++
    So, today grandma seemed much better, but we’re still holding our breath. Tomorrow’s her birthday and it’s totally possible that she’ll just shut down afterwards. I love her so much. She was my “fairytale grandma”, you know, the pie-making, dress-making, boardgame-playing variety. And I have to let her go because this life won’t get any better for her anymore.
    There is no god to whom I could pray “please let it end before the suffering really begins”.

  22. cicely says

    BTW, everyone who voted in my Great Guitar Selection Thingy gets their names thrown in a hat, and the week I buy the Horde-Hammer, SpokesGuitar the winner gets a custom Surlyramic designed by me.

    Hmmm…for once, in a drawing or lottery, my chances might actually be pretty decent!
    :P
    -

  23. portia says

    Oh Giliell, I wish I could express how sorry I am. I had one of those wonderful grandmas and I know how hard it is to let go. I send you as many hugs as you need.

  24. opposablethumbs says

    Audley, you are way cool :-D
    .
    .
    Thinking of you, Giliell. From what you’ve said earlier about your family, I can well imagine that this is someone extra-important to you. Hope she is and continues to be comfortable.

  25. dianne says

    Hi, all. Spent my first day back at work dealing with insurance issues. Including one involving a 19 year old with an illness that was diagnosed at 17 and ignored for 2 years because he couldn’t afford the medication to treat it or the insurance to help him pay for it. He should have qualified for CHIP, but apparently had bureaucratic barriers put in front of him continually. He may not be the perfect victim-maybe he didn’t follow up well or something-but he clearly got screwed by the system. He now has a complication that may well kill him and will certainly cost the state much more money than treating the original problem would have.

    Not pleased with US right now. Will stop short of saying that the anti-health care Republicans should be washed out to sea on Isaac’s storm surge because I’m not sure whether such a statement would warrant a visit from the secret service and anyway wishing death on someone when you could simply wish for their conversion into decent human beings is immoral. (Or is that statement just too passive aggressive for words?)

  26. portia says

    Personally, I wish that RonPaulians are able to cause as much non-violent chaos and embarrassment as possible at the RNC. The idea makes me smile.

  27. Ogvorbis: broken says

    Hi, all.

    I just had a very relaxing afternoon sitting in a comfy chair in the back yard, in the shade of a Redbud, smoking a Hoya de Monteray Reposada en cedre, along with a glass of Johnny Walker Black, all while listening to Gregorian Chants.

    Mmmmmmm.

  28. chigau (違う) says

    Giliell
    hugs
    Ogvorbis
    hugs
    Everybody
    hugs
    —–
    Job is over, heading home tomorrow.
    yay!

  29. portia says

    Sweet! I really like the surlyramic design in the top row. I’ve been spending the afternoon drooling over Amy’s artwork since Joe mentioned it earlier. Can’t wait to order one of these.

  30. says

    Well…

    My wife has no job, we’ve spent $1000 on fucking nothing, and we’re going to get evicted in October instead of September. We have no hope, our lives are over.

  31. says

    The girls are all home and doing well. Busy eating up a storm right now. Angua, Artemis, Mallory, Pearl and Zoe all go in on Sept. 10th. Oh we do loves our vet and our clinic – instead of the expected $575.00, we were billed $475.00.

  32. Esteleth, Who Knows How to Use Google says

    Can I complain about my boss briefly?

    In a private meeting, he says something.

    In staff meeting, I say roughly the same thing.

    His response? >:( NO NO NO THAT’S TOTALLY WRONG HOW CAN YOU SAY SHIT LIKE THAT?!

  33. says

    portia,

    My wife is a nurse trying to get a job in Nevada. After a month, the licencing board tells her she needs to appear in person to petition for a licence. She was supposed to start working next Tuesday, but without a licence she can’t afford to go to Nevada on the off chance they give her a licence. They could have told her a month ago, and she could have accepted a different job. They didn’t, she didn’t, and now we’re well and truly fucked.

  34. portia says

    Wow. That’s just awful. I’m so sorry. That’s a pretty crappy licensure procedure, too. She doesn’t even have to take an exam or anything? It’s just that they want her to come and ask nicely in person?

    You and Esteleth are both welcome at the smashing party if you’d like. I think the champagne’s gone, but Patricia brought a *lot* of smelly cheese.

  35. Pteryxx says

    Holy shit Joe. Is it too late to make that (stupid, pointless) trip to Nevada? Is it something we could help patch up?

  36. thunk, may or may not be onomotopoeia says

    Joe:

    Holy shit Joe. Is it too late to make that (stupid, pointless) trip to Nevada? Is it something we could help patch up?

    Yes, is it? I feel so guilty standing by.

  37. says

    It’s too late. They need so much paperwork along with the appearance that there’s no way it can be cobbled together in a week. They fucked her over big time, never ever intended on giving her a licence, and strung her along out of spite.

  38. birgerjohansson says

    Joe, this… I can’t find adequate words.
    — — — — — — — — —
    Let’s go after Michele Bachmann!
    https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/final_reps?refcode=homepage-hotlist
    — — — — — — —
    41 new transiting planets in Kepler field of view http://phys.org/news/2012-08-transiting-planets-kepler-field-view.html
    — — — — — —
    If placentas are good enough for cows (who eat them after giving birth) why not for humans?
    — — — — —
    Regarding Republican screw-ups I can recomend “Dispatches from the culture wars” on FTB

  39. dianne says

    Joe, I’m so sorry! Where is your wife currently licensed? I know a few places looking for nurses, might be able to make some sort of useful connection.

  40. says

    Dianne, my wife is licenced in Florida and Virginia, and VA is a “compact state” so her licence is good in several other states.

    The frustrating thing is that we spent so much money, including funds donated by the Horde, towards a licence that Nevada had no intention of ever issuing. We could have worked towards a different job instead of investing so much in the one that she could never get…

  41. says

    Joe:
    D: D: D:

    Is there anything we can do? Besides *hugs*

    Birger:

    If placentas are good enough for cows (who eat them after giving birth) why not for humans?

    Cows chew their their own cud and strangely I almost never feel like snarfing down some vomit.

  42. dianne says

    Joe, unfortunately all my current connections are in NY, NJ, and PA, so I’m less useful than I was hoping.

    If someone is willing to set up another horde donation, I’d be up for contributing, but realistically not for organizing.

    I’m astonished that the state of Nevada would be that insane. There’s a shortage of nurses in the US. Probably because of just this sort of crap.

  43. carlie says

    Joe, I don’t know what to say. Is there a higher administrator in the state licensing board she can appeal to?

  44. says

    dianne,

    There’s like 2 people in charge of licencing for people with previous “issues” and both of them have shut my wife down. So not much more appeal to be made, and all of it too late for her to start working next week.

    I guess we can move in with my parents? That’s a real winner, except there’s still no job in sight and there’s no way they can accommodate our stuff and our pets.

  45. says

    Oh, and anyone hoping for a Great Guitar Selection Thingy prize should cool their jets, because it looks like I will lose my Les Paul and sold my Strat for fucking nothing.

  46. says

    … and I had this dream that I was going to save my Les Paul, and get another fancy guitar, and maybe for the love of fuck buy a desk instead of having a goddamned breakfast nook table as a computer desk. And no, I now have no dreams except maybe not losing my fucking cats and my dog. Maybe.

  47. carlie says

    Joe, can your wife call the prospective employer tomorrow? Hiring people is a pain in the ass – they might be willing to wait a week or so, or help deal with the licensing agency, to avoid having to redo a search.

  48. says

    carlie,

    My wife would have to fly to Nevada from Virginia on her dime, fly back home, and wait a week for a result that will be most likely negative, since no other state has required this level of scrutiny.

  49. Tony •King of the Hellmouth• says

    Pteryxx:
    [from Greta's]

    briefly: I’m not sure it makes sense for anyone to think they’re “better than” a misogynist troll, simply because so many people, including us decent folks, are capable of being tremendous buttheads about *something*. Besides, quite a few regular commenters *were* misogynists-lite a few short years ago. The best we can do is commit to *becoming* better than we are now.

    You know, you’re totally awesome on so many level, but this is just not right.
    Would you stop making making good points that force me to rethink my position??!!
    It’s just not right I tell ya.
    I wanted to roll around in the elitism just a bit longer.

  50. says

    I’m not judging the person I’m judging the value of preserving the Lounge atmosphere. I’m not going to fight anyone here, or be drawn into a fight here.

    1) You seemed happy enough to be in a fight here with JM.
    2) You don’t get a free pass to say anything in the Lounge and expect no one to call you out for saying something stupid.
    3) The “it was only a joke” excuse doesn’t work for that sort of “joke”.
    4) 1:43 am here so I’m off to bed. So Carlie was wrong. I am a fly-by-nighter. Good night.

  51. Tony •King of the Hellmouth• says

    Caine:
    That’s awesome that you didn’t have to spend as much as you thought. When you have time, can you give Pearl a kiss for me?

  52. broboxley OT says

    Improbable Joe, Florida should be in a constant state of hire, although it may be busy for the next week

  53. thunk, may or may not be onomotopoeia says

    I feel bad because I was expecting to be able to help you out, and now I can’t even help me out.

    I feel bad not only because I can’t help anybody out, but that I’m going into the whole fray in a few years. Can’t things get better?

  54. says

    Can’t things get better?

    They WERE better. They CAN and might even BE better again someday. But there are speed bumps, and my only regret in all of this is that I didn’t sacrifice a little so that I could have a buffer to get me through these bumps in the road.

  55. thunk, may or may not be onomotopoeia says

    Joe:

    They WERE better. They CAN and might even BE better again someday. But there are speed bumps, and my only regret in all of this is that I didn’t sacrifice a little so that I could have a buffer to get me through these bumps in the road.

    True, very true.

  56. says

    I guess I can be comforted by the fact that a)I still have a guitar and an amp that goes to 13 and b)neither of them is worth enough to bother trying to sell.

  57. says

    … I’m so fucking sorry. I thought I would be able to do all sorts of amazing things. I thought I could give a prize for the guitar nonsense on my blog. I thought that I could be the hero of the Horde signal and give hundreds of dollars a month to whatever anyone asked for. I even thought I could go to Skepticon and buy everyone a round and help a couple of people get there and share a room and it would be cool and I could pretend that I’m an awesome guy who people like.

    It was a dream, and none of it is true. I can’t give anyone anything, I can’t help anyone, and I’m mostly alone and I don’t have any friends, and I’ll never get to go anywhere or do anything.

  58. portia says

    Joe – I wish there was more I could do. Please know that you don’t need to worry about the prizey things for any of our sakes. : |

  59. carlie says

    Joe – no, no no no no. I recognize that spiral. I’ve been in that spiral. Don’t go there. It’s so easy to fall down there, but let us grab your hand and keep you from slipping. Take tonight to cry if you need to, but don’t go worst-case. That’s a bad place. Scream and cry with the wife, drink a lot if you both need to, but don’t let go of the fact that you’re both decent good people who have a lot to offer the world who are just being shat on by circumstances right now, and it’s not personal: lots of people get shat on all the time. You are good people.

  60. chigau (違う) says

    RTL
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    Page 1 can be found by clicking “<<Older Comments" just above "Leave a Reply".

  61. dianne says

    What carlie said. Joe, you’re valued here for your wit, insight, etc, not for the presents you can give.

  62. lexie says

    Improbable Joe – That’s horrible. I hope things work out ok for you and your wife. If there is anything we can do, please say. Hugs, chocolate, booze and/or any comfort food/drinks you’d like.

    Giliell – I hope your grandma gets better. Hugs and chocolate for you too.

    Caine – I’m glad the girls are ok. Belly rubs, scratches, kisses and tea for Chester.

  63. says

    As others have said, Joe, it’s not your fault. You’ve been shat on pretty hard by the system, and depression is a natural consequence, but even if you haven’t any friends locally, you’ve got some here.

  64. cicely says

    Joe, I do believe you’ve picked up a spammer over at your place.

    Something to do with dynamical eyelashes.

    He now has a complication that may well kill him and will certainly cost the state much more money than treating the original problem would have.

    But dianne, you just don’t get it.

    It will cost so much less to not only not have paid to treat the problem, but to simply obfuscate in hope that he dies before the red tape supply runs out. In which case, they don’t have to pay to treat the complication, either. It’s Win/Win, all the way to the bank!
    </bitter cynicism>

    WTF-F, Joe????
    :( :( :( :( :( :(
    I wish I knew of anything that could help.

    Props for your vets, Caine.

    Joe, watch out for that Sucking Pit of Despair.
    There are people here who value you. Don’t think that you are unwanted and friendless. It’s just not true.
    *montrouslybighug*
    -

  65. says

    Sorry folks…

    I just needed to vent. I’m OK. We’re OK, more or less. No one is giving up today, or tomorrow. Thanks for being nice to me, it is rare and much appreciated.

    I still wish I could do more. Don’t we all?

  66. portia says

    Hey, don’t worry about venting. Even if all I can do is listen, I’m happy to do it. And be as nice to you as you deserve. Which is very nice.

  67. Tony •King of the Hellmouth• says

    Joe:
    I second carlie @91.
    If you need to vent here, by all means do so.

  68. says

    Tony:

    When you have time, can you give Pearl a kiss for me?

    Of course I will. She’s feeling much better now that the big sisters are home. Artemis, Angua, Mallory, Pearl & Zoe were curled in a corner, shaking, when we got home. They were absolutely terrified about having big sisters taken away from them this morning.

    Lexie:

    Belly rubs, scratches, kisses and tea for Chester.

    Done, done, done and done. Belly raspberries, too. :D

    Props for your vets, Caine.

    Yes. Yes, yes. They are good peoples.

  69. says

    Part of it is…

    … I get to see my wife collapse into tears. I get to watch my wife implode. I get to see her heart be broken. And as much as the situation makes me want to cry, makes me feel like imploding, makes my heart broken too, I don’t get to express that. I get to be strong and silent and keep my shit together, so I can be my wife’s rock, my wife’s #1 cheerleader, the one who doesn’t break. I can’t talk about any of my own panic, and especially I can’t talk about that I’ve sold off things that I care about because I thought there was a future where it wouldn’t matter. And all of my feelings mean that I’m petty and small and superficial, because it is harder for my wife, so I get to swallow my feelings and my guilt too.

  70. JAL: Snark, Sarcasm & Bitterness says

    Joe: Holy shit! I’m so sorry that fucking sucks. =(

    Caine: I’m glad the ratlets are doing so well and rock on with the awesome vets.

    —-
    Okay so today was picture day and was too broke to afford them. Then Little One came home today with two Scholastic book sale catalogs. Seriously? I’m glad we are surviving but godfuckingdamnit I’d like to have a little extra money to buy my child’s school pictures, and a book and be able to use a washing machine to wash clothes. Blah.

  71. says

    JAL,

    Would $30 help? The Horde just sent me $30, and I wouldn’t care to squander it, but I’m so far in the hole that I think the cash would do you more good than me. I’m pretty sure I can live with disappointment, and Little One shouldn’t have to.

  72. JAL: Snark, Sarcasm & Bitterness says

    … I’m so fucking sorry. I thought I would be able to do all sorts of amazing things. I thought I could give a prize for the guitar nonsense on my blog. I thought that I could be the hero of the Horde signal and give hundreds of dollars a month to whatever anyone asked for. I even thought I could go to Skepticon and buy everyone a round and help a couple of people get there and share a room and it would be cool and I could pretend that I’m an awesome guy who people like.

    It was a dream, and none of it is true. I can’t give anyone anything, I can’t help anyone, and I’m mostly alone and I don’t have any friends, and I’ll never get to go anywhere or do anything.

    Holy Shit, do I know this feeling well. I even had the same kind of dream, just being a girl instead of a dude obviously. I was the person before last the Horde helped and I was kept from being homeless. I have the benefit of an extremely low amount of money needed to survive for 4 months. I’m still unemployed and feel like shit about it. It’s been so long now. Arizona is not the place to be. If you are lucky enough to get a job, be prepared to be treated like shit and have your rights trampled, especially if you are a woman.

    It all completely sucks and is not your fault. I’m so sorry you are going through this. =(

    Would $30 help? The Horde just sent me $30, and I wouldn’t care to squander it, but I’m so far in the hole that I think the cash would do you more good than me. I’m pretty sure I can live with disappointment, and Little One shouldn’t have to.

    Joe, that has to be one of the sweetest kindest things ever. I appreciate the offer but I don’t feel right taking it. Even if the Horde doesn’t get the full amount you need, it could be helpful for moving and getting things together at your parents. At the least, you could have a relaxing night in or night out with your wife, since you guys could use a brake. It’s okay, really. But thanks again for the offer, I got all teary eyed and regained some faith in humanity.

  73. Socio-gen, something something... says

    Good first day of classes, despite the fact that I barely slept last night. Brain is too overloaded with worry about my niece to sleep tonight — the docs are concerned the baby is not developing. She’s having another ultrasound tomorrow to determine what’s going on and what the next steps are.

    portia:

    added ” Let’s Talk about Sex ” to the queueueue.

    I think you’ll enjoy watching it. If by “enjoy” one meant “ready to tear your hair out at the backwards and dangerous attitudes of the US.”

    Lynna:

    Pennsylvania Senate candidate Tom Smith.

    “Put yourself in a father’s position, yes, I mean it is similar.”

    Oh goody. PA Republicans have actually found someone worse than Santorum to represent the state. *headdesk* Who even knew that was possible?

    At this rate, I’ll have to start telling people I’m from Jersey…

    Giliell:
    *hugs* I hope that, whatever time your grandmother has, she is comfortable and at peace.

    Improbable Joe:
    I am so sorry! This is just…I don’t even have words for how crappy it is.

    What carlie and dianne and others have said. You are valued here.

    *many hugs* Your feelings aren’t petty, superficial, or anything else. You’re grieving, and you’re going to feel how you feel. There’s no right or wrong to it.

    JAL:
    Wish I could do more than offer sympathy and cyber-hugs.

  74. Beatrice says

    Improbable Joe,

    I’m so sorry. *hugs*

    And all of my feelings mean that I’m petty and small and superficial, because it is harder for my wife, so I get to swallow my feelings and my guilt too.

    No! You are not petty or small or superficial. Your wife has it hard and you have it hard, it’s not a competition where you aren’t allowed to have these feelings unless you have it the worst.
    I understand that you want to be strong for her, so if it’s easier keep venting here. Just please don’t beat yourself up for feeling like this. And don’t give up!

    ———

    Caine,

    Careful cuddles for ratlets who came back from the vet. Sneak in a little extra for Beatrice, will you?

  75. says

    Good morning

    Joe
    Oh no fuck, I’m sorry.
    And as others have said, it’s totally OK to feel sorry for the nice things you can’t have now. I know that spiral and it’s a bad one. You feel bad because something like that, then you feel bad because you shouldn’t feel bad because it’s such a small thing, then you feel bad because you should now be possitively cheerful for somebody else and so on.
    I don’t know your wife, but from a wife who has to lean heavily on her husband’s strength at the moment: crying together can be so good. To me it tells me that this is our crisis, and not just something that’s my trivial little problem.
    *hugs* if you want them

    Caine
    I’m glad the ratlets are all well and happy together again. Kisses for Gytha.

    Hehe, do you keep a list at the side of your computer like:
    Beatrice: extra treat
    Gytha: Kisses
    Chas II: belly scratch

    +++++
    Thank you everybody for the hugs and the support.
    It is a strange place to be in. I never had this kind of “choice” before. So far all people I knew who died either did it quickly and unexpectedly (and I’m glad they did, especially grandpa. Dying from COPD is one of nature’s tortures) or they suffered so terribly it was a relief.
    Now, grandma. We wouldn’t have believed you if you’d told us last year that she’d celebrate her 86th birthday today. It was hard work to build up her health and muscles again to the state of the last months, which were pretty OK and we did everything to make it as pleasurable as possible. And at this point I’m not sure if that would be possible again and whether she wants to put in the effort again or would rather die. Sometimes she says “oh I wished it was over”, sometimes she says “Oh, it’s getting better again”
    The one thing sister and I agreed on is that there will be no pain.

  76. Amblebury says

    Checking in – heading back home late tomorrow.

    Joe I’m so sorry. That just stinks. There are too many lousy human beings in this world. Just…I’ll do what little I can.

    Caine Give my girl Agnes some love, and tell her there’s someone far away, who’ll never meet her, that cares for her. And that yes, that someone is a bit of a twit.

  77. KG says

    Improbable Joe,
    Just adding one more voice to the chorus; I hope something turns up for you and your wife soonest.

  78. says

    Amazing
    I have four recipe books that deal exclusively with chocolate. None of them has a recipe for chocolate brownies. Oh, there are many brownie-recipes, but they’re all like super-special-novelty brownies, adding these nuts, those fruits, that liquor, like, well, everybody knows already hoe to make basic chocolate brownies…
    Adapted one of the fruity-brownie recipes, let’s see how that works

  79. blf says

    A giggle from Bad Science:

    A man I just shared a taxi with, along with saying that the speed of light should be easily breakable, cos the sound barrier was innit, also linked our recent wet summers with the smoking ban. I think he might have been serious.

    There could be something to this! The recent heatwave hereabouts is obviously caused by the many people in the area smoking.

    Never mind that there’s also a smoking ban…

  80. Louis says

    Improbable Joe,

    I’ll also add a voice to the chorus of sympathy, and outraged shock at the evils of bureaucracy of course.

    It’s probably a silly question but is there anything, literally anything, you have available near you? Anything that will bring in a buck? Or are you both in that awful situation where work has to bring in a minimum to cover pet care/child care or something similar, and so are stuck either unemployed or employed at beyond a minimum/low wage level?

    I just hope something good lands in your lap as soon as possible.

    I’m working on a £100 million plus lottery win so I can set up a Home For Pharyngulites Who Can Work Good But Who Have Fallen On Hard Times And Want To Work Betterer. I may have to work on the name. And sadly I think that relying on a lottery win is not the greatest business model, at least that’s what they told me on Dragon’s Den when I asked for a £200 million investment…

    I will now give you the same advice and help my parents give me when they wonder why I am not Uber Rich: You’re clever and stuff, why don’t you invent something and make millions?

    See, now isn’t that all helpful?

    But seriously, sadly, I’m not in any position to do more than offer sympathy right now. When this move is over and I know how much I’ll be spending on repairs etc, I might be of more use to the Pharyngula Phund, but that’s a few weeks away.

    Louis

  81. says

    Sorry I haven’t been around much, bit busy right now. But I enjoyed reading the comments under Loftus’ post, and seeing him frantically backpedal at light speed. What a hypocrite.

  82. Louis says

    JAL,

    The same applies to you, obviously! I can’t but admire your bravery in the face of adversity, whilst simultaneously being outraged that the richest nation on earth treats people like this (I know, glass houses, stones, we got our own problems in the UK), and being sympathetic to your plight.

    Even I’m struggling to be optimistic and I’m like the Weeble of Optimism!

    Actually, I’m not struggling. It’s a crap time out there right now for millions in the developed world, and historically we’ve pulled through these things. Without being unnecessarily Panglossian (because we do NOT live in the best of all possible worlds unless you ain’t looking) I do retain a sliver of hope for all of us…yourselves included! Well…except Brownian.

    Apologies for not being able to offer more than vague comedy, internet hugs, remote sympathy, and the odd “hang in there”. When that situation changes…

    Louis

  83. Wowbagger, Antipodean Dervish says

    Rorschach wrote:

    But I enjoyed reading the comments under Loftus’ post, and seeing him frantically backpedal at light speed. What a hypocrite.

    Which post are you talking about?

  84. birgerjohansson says

    Addendum
    Joe
    Seriously, your address, please!
    Between me and other ehvil Pharyngulatians we can make a difference.

  85. Pteryxx says

    ^ Seconding birgerjohansson, but I strongly suggest not posting personal info here, or suggesting that anyone post it. Please exchange addresses through email or similar instead of making them publicly visible.

  86. carlie says

    Joe – I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to make it sound like you shouldn’t complain. Vent all you want. Just not about yourself, because you didn’t do anything wrong.

  87. blf says

    I strongly suggest not posting personal info here, or suggesting that anyone post it.

    Indeed. Posting such is asking for even more aggravation. Suggesting that such be posted — even if it was with the best of intentions — is, at best, naïve. Might as well send your details to that nice man from Nigeria who wants to give you several millions…

  88. lexie says

    Birgerjohansson – email addresses can be shut down if you end up with creeps emailing you, it’s a pain in the neck but much easier than moving house if anyone you didn’t want to got hold of your address. If you’re worried about giving your real email address you can set up a gmail account under a pseudonym and then email Joe your real email.

  89. carlie says

    The way I’ve tried to maintain some semblance of safety re: giving out email here is that I have one email just for such bloggy things, and although it’s a bit annoying for everyone else to skim past, have both me and the person doing the emailing announce in the same blog that we’ve emailed each other. I figure that eliminates the chance of someone else deciding to email me under X’s name, because the checkpoint is that X has said on the blog they’re emailing me, and if it was a sockpuppet it would either get caught right away by the blogger or then X would say “Wait, that’s not me”. I try to keep in mind that although we’re a pretty nice close group, there are thousands of people lurking and reading (hi lurkers! Talk to us, we’re nice!).

  90. Louis says

    that nice man from Nigeria who wants to give you several millions…

    OUR PROBLEMS ARE ALL SOLVED!!!!!1eleventy!!!!

    Louis

  91. blf says

    I mean is it inadvisable to post e-mail addresses, as well?

    At the minimum, doing so can result in extra spam and phishing frauds. E-stalkers and the like are also possible. In authoritarian regimes accounts can be closed and (at least hypothetically) much worse.

    E-addresses are typically harvested by “scrappers” (automated software) which look for various patterns. So — in addition to — precautions like dedicated / temporary e-addresses, ACK/NAK messaging protocols, and so on, give the e-address in a form a human can decode but a robot probably won’t. So no [email protected] but, for instance, “shoot foo a dot-spam message through the bar” (a bit obscure) or “foo <circle-a> bar full-stop spam” or similar.

    If an authoritarian regime or stalker is a concern, then the above is not sufficient.

  92. katchen says

    Improbable Joe –
    So sorry to hear it; wish I had something coherant or practical to say, but… damnit. That’s just not fair.

  93. says

    Oh ye gods, I’ve just been sneaking into the A+ forum (meaning just doing some reading) and the MRA discussion is hilarious.
    The guy complains about lack of “male reproductive rights” (what, is it illegal now to have a vasectomy?), then claims that contraception is solely the woman’s problem since men can’t get pregnant. Oh, and cuckoo children, the worst thing to happen on planet earth.

  94. opposablethumbs says

    Improbable Joe, fuck I am so sorry. I only wish I could actually do something apart from listen and send hugs and say if you’re struggling to stay strong for someone else then you most certainly need time and a place to vent and cry. I hope you get some good stuff coming your way soon.

  95. blf says

    Herman Cain bellowing:

    “It’s worse to imagine a world with Obama getting a second term than it is to imagine a world without pizza,” he said Monday. “Because with Obama in a second term, there will be no pizza. For anyone.”

    Mr Cain made his millions from, among other things, pizza. Does that mean that if Obama wis, Cain will go the feck away?

    He’s got a point: It’s really hard to find decent pizza in the South of France. Obama hasn’t fixed this problem.

  96. katchen says

    Oh, Cain actually said that? Lawks – I saw the quote but only skimmed it; I thought it was onion-style satire.

  97. dianne says

    Joe and JAL, I hope you don’t mind, but I emailed Josh asking him to contact you to ask your permission to give me your contact info. Kind of indirect, but the only way I could think of that doesn’t involve giving out personal info over the web.

    I have money. I’d like to send you some. Actually, I’m kind of annoyed, because I’d like the government to collect the money in the form of taxes and give it out to people who need it, like people with small children and no job or who have just lost a job possibility due to bureaucratic stupidity and/or malice, but that’s not happening, so I’d like to do what I can by hand.

  98. says

    I just realized what bothers me most about this Todd Akin thing.

    It’s not him that’s the issue. I mean yes, he said horrible stuff, but it’s not actually much different from what has been circulating the Republican chambers for years now. People are getting all worked up about Akin’s ‘legitimate rape’ thing without calling to attention some of the other virulently anti-women stuff that Repubs have been echoing.

    It’s like, let’s all draw focus to one guy’s nastiness, and ignore the rest of the nastiness that has been perpetuated.

  99. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    I didn’t mean to suggest that something Phil tweets about wouldn’t be good.

    ok back for more coffee

  100. Socio-gen, something something... says

    Katherine:

    It’s like, let’s all draw focus to one guy’s nastiness, and ignore the rest of the nastiness that has been perpetuated.

    Because, see, these are “isolated incidents” and he’s just a fringe lunatic and it’s not like all Republicans are like that and we’re just tarring everyone with a wide brush and probably Akin’s just trolling and well, women are just being oversensitive and just taking it all too seriously and…and…MAN FEE-FEES!

    *sproing*

    Erm, I think I may have broken my brain… 9am isn’t too early to start drinking, right?

  101. Rey Fox says

    Katherine: Exactly. And it’s just the tip of the iceberg with him personally too. It’s not just abortion he wants to gut, it’s student loans and Medicare. He’s a teabagger in the extreme.

  102. blf says

    9am isn’t too early to start drinking, right?

    After a few drinks you’ll have no problem believing you’re in several different time zones at the same time, some of which are in the throes of coffee break, happy hour, or other appropriate times. So no, it isn’t too early.

  103. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    Katherine, those comment are high quality for sure.

    I had to close the office door.

  104. birgerjohansson says

    Improbable Joe,

    mail me at
    Dimetrodon61 “circle-a” yahoo.se
    [it is an old email account that I intend to close down anyway so it does not matter if there is some spam]
    — — — —
    -check with your bank what the bank account number is “when viewed” from abroad, they usually add a prefix for foreign transfers.
    — — — — —
    Also, your bank will have its own specific IBAN* code that I have to enclose with the account information when I transfer money.
    Before I send anything, I will verify through the Lounge thread that you and the person I am emailing are the same.
    — — — — —
    * In some countries it has another name than IBAN but the bank will know what you are asking about.

  105. portia says

    “I allowed my wife to write the grocery list with one of my pens. Shortly thereafter she went out and bought a bunch of flannel shirts, cut the sleeves off and grew a mullet. While she was writing her feminist manifesto, I secretly switched out the man pen with a BiC For Her. She’s now back to baking apple pies, vacuuming in heels, and popping bennies in order to keep her girlish figure… like a proper American gal.

    Thank you BiC!”


    *snort*

  106. says

    Thanks for the support folks…

    The bitter pill is that my wife could have probably already been working somewhere else if she hadn’t been counting on the job that fell through. If they had been up-front the first day at the licencing office, we could have saved a ton of money on faxing and Fed-Ex and renewing other licences. Nevada cashed the check three weeks ago and they had to know then what the requirements were and they didn’t bother to tell my wife until last night.

  107. portia says

    Oh, and good morning everybody. It’s a sunny warm day here and the weather has gone back to acting like a Midwestern August.

  108. thunk, may or may not be onomotopoeia says

    Improbable Joe:

    What asshatery. Makes me wish for a just world.

    Portia:

    I lol’d. Also, that’s enough tropical moisture.

  109. Louis says

    Socio-gen:

    1) 9 am is never to early to start drinking, although the true Enthusiast should still be drinking from the night before. I’ll let you off as this is a first offence. Next time it’s a penalty shot and a naked lap of the building.

    2) Man Fee Fees (IMPORTANT!). Never forget them.

    Louis

  110. Louis says

    Is “HuffPo” the noise one makes after the thirteenth toke of wicked strength marijuana?

    Huffffff

    Poooooooooooo

    Dude. My hand. I’ve never really looked at it, you know.

    Etc.

    Louis

  111. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    although the true Enthusiast should still be drinking from the night before

    this is true

  112. says

    Beatrice:

    Sorry for shortening your n<m to Daisy, Ms. Daisy Cutter.

    Nothing to be sorry for. :)

    ImaginesABeach, I expand a lot of people’s vocabulary. Not always in ways they expect.

    Joe:

    My wife has no job, we’ve spent $1000 on fucking nothing, and we’re going to get evicted in October instead of September. We have no hope, our lives are over.

    Oh, shit. D:

    I wish employers like that could be sued off the face of the earth. That’s fraud IMHFO.

    Caine, glad to hear it.

    Esteleth…wtf.

    Tony/Pteryxx:

    I’m not sure it makes sense for anyone to think they’re “better than” a misogynist troll…

    Um, even the people here who used to be misogynists-lite never dedicated their lives obsessively to harassing women on the internet.

    For similar reasons I don’t worry about being “better than” the Rethugs, despite all the handwringing from liberals and concern trolling from conservatives. There’s self-introspection, and then there’s self-flagellation. The latter isn’t helpful.

  113. carlie says

    Joe – can she get the money back, since they didn’t tell her what all the requirements were?

    Oh lord, this is my favorite:

    I have faced a dilemma slightly different than many of the other female reviewers. I have never had much problem wielding a regular pen. I have what might be called a “sturdy” build for a girl. While this has made certain daily tasks in life easier, such a writing with a pen and using a stapler, it has come at the cost of me being shunned by my female colleagues. I have often been referred to as “man hands.” Because of my ability to adequately use a non-gender specific pen, a man’s pen really, I have earned a certain amount of respect from my boss and the other men who work over me. At times, I would get the first choice of left over sandwiches from a business meeting and was often called by my actual name, not “sweetheart” or “honey.” But still, I felt like an outsider, like my natural born abilities had made me an outcast; I was always living on the periphery of two worlds. I will not lie–I was in a dark place.

    Then I discovered BIC For Her.

    I was in a pretty low mood when I bought them. I was also scared that a female coworker might see buy them and what a laughing stock I would be. I tucked them under my coat and took them home. I must have stared at them for a good 20 minutes before I had the nerve to even open the box. I pulled the first one out and was amazed by how perfectly it fit my hand, and how feminine and delicate it was. I went to write something with it and actually broke it, I’m embarrassed to say. But after lightening my touch (using a woman’s touch), I was able to use the pen.

    It would be hyperbolic to say that I woke up the next morning to a band new me. In reality, it took about 3-4 days for the changes to become apparent. I started wearing tighter clothes and impracticable shoes. On the third night, my hair grew six inches, going from a manageable shoulder skimming bob to a length that requires much more work and hair care products. The men a the office see me differently as well! Finally, I am getting compliments on the way I look instead of my abilities! Once the other girls in the office noticed my new pen, I started getting more invites to cocktails after work. I used to watch shows like “Sex and the City” and wish I had a group of gal pals. Now I finally do! Though I am definitely the Miranda of the bunch.

    This pen is not a miracle worker, but it has opened new doors for me, doors the old me would have opened for herself.

  114. says

    Rev:

    Limbaugh said that he grew suspicious because he noticed that the forecast for Isaac had shifted dramatically away from Florida soon after the Republicans canceled the first day of the convention.

    “What could be better for the Democrats than the Republicans to cancel a day of this?” he said. “…I’m alleging no conspiracy. I’m just telling you, folks, when you put this all together in this timeline, I’m telling you, it’s unbelievable!”

    Once again, I ♥ Twitter. (*cough*Mattir, it’s not pointless*cough*)

    Rush Limbaugh blamed Obama for the Tampa hurricane. You do what you want, but I’ll def vote FOR THE GUY WHO CAN CONTROL THE FUCKING WEATHER.

    Via Failbook.

    (And really? Does Limbaugh actually think that the National Weather Service/NOAA are staffed by Obama appointees or something?)

  115. Pteryxx says

    Um, even the people here who used to be misogynists-lite never dedicated their lives obsessively to harassing women on the internet.

    Actually, while I agree that it’s very unlikely, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to someday see a former Nice Guy (or Chill Girl) come forward and admit that they used to participate in harassment campaigns. Especially if it was in a group situation like a hostile fraternity or the slimepit. Even abusers changing their ways, while vanishingly rare, aren’t *completely* nonexistent.

    Tony: sorry, and you’re welcome. For what it’s worth I think you’re an awesome person, and you’re more than welcome to roll in that. ;>

  116. says

    Well… things just got interesting. My wife’s old boss in Florida called last night right before the collapse of the Nevada job, just to say hello and catch up. Today she called back to ask if the job thing worked out, my wife explained the situation, and so old bass made a few phone calls. There’s a chance we’re moving back to Florida, and my wife going back to work for her old boss.

    It is good news/bad news, because we moved in part to get away from her old boss. On the other hand, we’re pretty much at the end of our rope and they’ll help pay to relocate us.

  117. says

    Completely threadrupt, but I’m working on it. :)

    Had to share this here because…well you’ll see.

    So I’m filling out a health questionnaire to, hopefully, get some insurance. Then I run across this one:

    3. If you have a child(ren), have you had them immunized according to the American Academy of Pediatrics or per the specifications of your child’s pediatrician?
    o Yes
    o No
    o I have religious prohibitions to immunizations
    o Not applicable (no children)

    “I have religious prohibitions to immunizations”! WTF! Then the answer is “NO”. WTFFFFF!!!!

    :(

  118. says

    Pteryxx:

    Even abusers changing their ways, while vanishingly rare, aren’t *completely* nonexistent.

    That’s not the way to bet, and I’m not going to worry too much about “demonizing” people who do a great job of demonizing themselves.

    If I wanted to be in an organization with an attitude of, “We’re all sinners here,” I’d join a church, thanks.

  119. chigau (違う) says

    Improbable Joe
    Better the devil you know?
    I’m thinking good thoughts for you and your Wife.

  120. portia says

    From facebook, list of rules for a gunfight:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151127082039371&set=a.10150190866609371.329707.166833599370&type=1&theater

    I have to say, one of the ones that bothers me the most is the 23 minutes response time for a 911 call. That stat, if anywhere near accurate, is only so because of underserved urban populations. Read: urban planners don’t care about black people. So of course it takes an ambulance forever to respond. Jeez. And, to top it off, the friend who posted this literally has an ambulance blocks from his house and police even closer. This has been your white privilege of the day. (Not to mention that white people are seen as “defending themselves” if they carry guns, while people of color get no such benefit). /rant.

  121. broboxley OT says

    Portia #168 I live in a %90+ white suburban county. last time we had a violent confrontation (I was at work) during the day with two unknown males pounding on the front door wanting people to open up and a large rock heaved thru the window of my van. My terrified wife called 911 and it took 43 minutes to get a deputy over there.

    The male unsubs were very lucky I was not home as the cops could then take all dazy to come out and take statements

  122. Beatrice says

    Improbable Joe,

    You were specifically trying to get away from the old boss? I hope problems with him are something you can both deal with without making yourselves miserable.

    Or in other words: I hope your wife wasn’t being somehow mistreated/harassed/abused at her old job.

  123. portia says

    Wow I’m so sorry that happened, broboxley. I didn’t mean to be so universal with my statement. As with most things, I should have qualified it as a generality, not an absolute.

  124. dianne says

    Re guns: The bottom line is that you’re more likely to be killed violently, by murder, accident, or suicide, if you have a gun in the house than if you don’t. That’s what the data says and all the rhetoric in the world that contradicts it is just stupid rhetoric.

  125. dianne says

    It is good news/bad news, because we moved in part to get away from her old boss.

    This sentence tripped all my fear of vulnerability to abuse sensors. If you move back and your wife takes a job with her old boss, can she keep the same problems from occurring again?

  126. portia says

    Joe, correct me if I’m remembering wrong, but I think you mentioned that Mrs. Improbable quit her old job because of a workplace assault. I really hope that she can stay safe.

  127. Paul says

    Re guns: The bottom line is that you’re more likely to be killed violently, by murder, accident, or suicide, if you have a gun in the house than if you don’t. That’s what the data says and all the rhetoric in the world that contradicts it is just stupid rhetoric.

    Has there ever been a well-designed study that corrects for the fact that many people own guns because they live in an environment that already has an elevated crime rate? I have not seen one yet that tried to tackle that, instead of leaving it as an aside in the study.

    My gut agrees with you, but I don’t go around preaching it due to that hole.

  128. says

    @dianne:

    But guns can be used for so much else besides violent murder. Like target practice! Where you practice shooting a vaguely human-shaped target! Or skeet shooting, where you practice shooting a moving target!

    Seriously though, the only time I’ve ever seen a handgun used it was when my ex-boyfriend took a loaded pistol next door when he wanted to shut some revelers up at 1 AM. It scared the living shit out of me!

  129. dianne says

    Has there ever been a well-designed study that corrects for the fact that many people own guns because they live in an environment that already has an elevated crime rate?

    There was a review in the NEJM a few years ago that included references to some of the classic studies. And they do indeed control for poverty, location, stressors, etc. Article.

  130. broboxley OT says

    177 Katherine Lorraine they are also very useful for violent killing, not just murder

    Personally I have knives, atlatl’s, warclubs, throwing axes, bows and arrows all over the house, we call it art if anyone asks :-)

  131. Tony •King of the Hellmouth• says

    Since we’re talking guns, what’s a good response to someone who pulls out that hackneyed phrase “guns don’t kill people, people kill people”?

  132. says

    @broboxley:

    I have a reverse-blade katana and a Batarang. I would love a nice one-handed sword or a bastard sword. And heck, I want to get one of the Cowboy rifles (Winchester 1881, lever-action hunting rifle. Beautiful gun if I do say so.)

    I’m just not about to pretend like those weapons are dangerous and possibly could hurt or kill someone. If I had a child, they would be bolted to the wall, peace-tied, and in a way that they wouldn’t be usable as a weapon. Too many people are way too easy-going about dangerous and deadly things like that.

  133. portia says

    Tony: “Well, if that were totally true, it would work when I point my finger at somebody at shout ‘BANG’!”

  134. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Since we’re talking guns, what’s a good response to someone who pulls out that hackneyed phrase “guns don’t kill people, people kill people”?

    “Wrong, people use guns to kill people.” You could also add “easier and at a longer distance than with knife/club/bare hands”.

  135. Tony •King of the Hellmouth• says

    Something must be borked with my computer. I’ve got strange things being linked to in various peoples’ comments, which they’re not linking to. I have random words that are showing up highlighted in my posts. My subscription to Pharyngula is f**k*d up too.

  136. Tony •King of the Hellmouth• says

    For instance, when I just tried to manage my subscription here, the email I received was about the X Blog, Reasonable Doubts, and Assassin Actual, but no Pharyngula.
    Also, I have a ‘Purple Link’ thingee that pops up at random over the strangest words.

  137. says

    “guns don’t kill people, people kill people”

    WITH GUNS. And then refer to the numbers on deaths by handgun vs. other weapons:

    •There are five times as many deaths from gun assaults as from knife assaults, where the rates of assault with knives and with guns are similar (Zimring, p. 199).
    •More than 90 percent of suicide attempts with a gun are fatal (Miller, 2004, p. 626). In comparison, only 3 percent of attempts with drugs or cutting are fatal (Miller, 2004, p. 626).

    (from the Brady Campaign that has links to studies they pull their numbers from.)

  138. says

    @Tony:

    Clap loudly and sharply, tell them “No! Bad human! No treat for you!” and point to the backyard. Hopefully they’ll get the message and go outside. They’ll probably give you the puppy-dog look for a few minutes, but you’ve got to ignore it (it’ll be really hard I know.) When you let them back in, pat them on the head and tell them you love them.

  139. Josh, Official SpokesGay says

    Alert about US banks: They do NOT have IBAN codes. Stupidly, the US does not participate in the IBAN protocol. Expect difficulty and uncomprehending bank employees. I still haven’t figured out how to accept a wire transfer. PayPal is much, much easier.

  140. says

    Beatrice,

    Old boss was a woman, and they had some codependency issues with each other. My wife wanted a clean break, which is why we relocated to Virginia.

  141. Beatrice says

    Stupidly, the US does not participate in the IBAN protocol.

    *eyeroll*
    IBAN is practical and makes sense. Of course US doesn’t participate.

  142. Tony •King of the Hellmouth• says

    Soooooo, Katherine, where would you like this bright, shiny Internet delivered to?
    That was *priceless*!

  143. says

    portia, that was the most recent job where my wife was assaulted. I’m talking about a past job in another state.

    As far as guns are concerned, we’ve gone round in circles on this. If “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” then why does anyone who supports gun ownership even bother with guns?

  144. says

    I suppose everyone has already heard about the anti-Obama movie 2016: Obama’s America which is supposed to be a documentary. In this movie, Dinesh D’Souza travels to countries that play a part in Obama’s history. The concept is okay, but D’Souza topples into the nutbag category as he looks for sources of Obama’s anti-American, anti-capitalist and socialist radicalism.

    The traits Dinesh D’Souza looks for can be found, just not in Obama. The case of guilty-by-association is even hard to make. This doesn’t stop right-wing propagandistic film makers.

    What’s interesting is that this agitprop was the eighth highest-grossing film this past weekend, even though it was only playing in about one thousand theaters. Advance ticket sales, and marketing through so-called “grassroots” conservative organizations added up to a big payday. Focus on the Family and Fox News, among others, are pushing the film.

    Salon published a good article explaining the outsized success of these right-wing propaganda films.
    http://www.salon.com/2012/08/28/right_wing_blockbusters_rule/
    Excerpt:

    …Stranger still is the fact that “Obama’s America” isn’t even the first right-wing movie this year to pull respectable box-office numbers. While not a documentary, “October Baby,” a religious drama about an “abortion survivor’s” search for her birth mother, did surprisingly well in wide release, opening at number 8 despite only showing on 390 screens. Like “Obama’s America,” it pursued a strategy of rolling out slowly, showing at a handful of Southern theaters in 2011 before going broader the following year. Such a strategy swam against the current Hollywood wisdom that a giant opening weekend is the only way to success. But it’s allowed the films to more precisely target their audiences and build word-of-mouth. “October Baby” partnered with churches and organizations like Focus on the Family to organize group showings, then used those groups to pressure other theaters to show the film….

    Right wing audiences will take to heart every bit of the anti-Obama film — lies, distortions and all. It is a kind of anti-education. And an anti-democracy move. If anything is anti-American ….

  145. Tony •King of the Hellmouth• says

    Oh, FFS. I give up. How can I be subscribed to this post, but not receive any updates? I’m just not the most tech savvy guy. Guess I’ll just have to pop into The Lounge to see what’s new.
    ::grumble, grumble, razzin, frazzin::

  146. broboxley OT says

    I will keep that in mind but that 10% failure rate makes me nervous

    •More than 90 percent of suicide attempts with a gun are fatal (Miller, 2004, p. 626). In comparison, only 3 percent of attempts with drugs or cutting are fatal (Miller, 2004, p. 626).

  147. Pteryxx says

    seconding CCleaner also, but CCleaner’s not specifically a malware tool. There are lots of good free virus scanners out there such as Avast, Malwarebytes or SuperAntiSpyware.

  148. broboxley OT says

    Lynna OM,
    that movie is doing well because it has a built in audience. Much like Michael Moore’s movie before the 2004 election Fahrenheit 9/11 had a large built in audience for his propaganda hit. I remember acquaintances imploring me to watch it. Im not fond of propaganda and would be damned if I was going to pay to watch it. Same thing here, every nutbag, wannabe nutbag and tinfoil hatter is glowing about the piece. The producers are laughing all the way to the bank

  149. says

    Alert about US banks: They do NOT have IBAN codes. Stupidly, the US does not participate in the IBAN protocol. Expect difficulty and uncomprehending bank employees. I still haven’t figured out how to accept a wire transfer. PayPal is much, much easier.

    Hmmm. There are some problems with IBAN codes and US banks, but you can find a US bank that will comply. I regularly receive payment from Geneva and other international locations. They go to my US Bank account, using the IBAN US 44 IMT.

    There is a fee for each transfer. Sometimes you can get the payer to pay the bank fees.

    As far as I can see bankers on both ends of the transactions are making big bucks off a system that requires very little work on their part, and no risk on their part.

  150. says

    that movie is doing well because it has a built in audience. Much like Michael Moore’s movie before the 2004 election Fahrenheit 9/11 had a large built in audience for his propaganda hit.

    True. Unfortunately, most people (and a bigger “most” on the right wing side) cannot differentiate between propaganda and documentary. Having a point of view or theme is fine, but lying and stupidity should not be encouraged.

  151. portia says

    OTG you guys: at 47:45 in the above video:

    Moderator: Are you in favor of making divorce illegal?
    NOM President: No, just because you believe something is wrong, doesn’t mean you make it illegal.

    *head asplode*

  152. says

    Beatrice:

    Sneak in a little extra for Beatrice, will you?

    Done. She wasn’t too impressed. Beatrice, Magrat and Agnes all had a strong reaction to the anaesthetic, they’re still a bit out of it. You’d never know Amelia & Gytha had major surgery.

    Giliell:

    I’m glad the ratlets are all well and happy together again. Kisses for Gytha.

    They’ll be delivered as soon as I figure out where Gytha happens to be.

    Hehe, do you keep a list at the side of your computer like:
    Beatrice: extra treat
    Gytha: Kisses
    Chas II: belly scratch

    Sort of…I keep a list in notepad. :D

    Amblebury:

    Give my girl Agnes some love, and tell her there’s someone far away, who’ll never meet her, that cares for her. And that yes, that someone is a bit of a twit.

    I won’t tell her you’re a twit, but I’ll give her your love. :)

  153. thunk, may or may not be onomotopoeia says

    Portia, Audley:

    Limbaugh said that he grew suspicious because he noticed that the forecast for Isaac had shifted dramatically away from Florida soon after the Republicans canceled the first day of the convention.

    Seriously, has Limbaugh never noticed the 5-day forecasts for Ike 2008? That’s why the NHC reminds people to disregard the exact track and look at the surrounding cone. FFS, they even took out the lines to make it easier!

    It’s called the weather, not a conspiracy.

    On an unrelated note, I have a feeling the NHC forecasters were rather anxious to have a hurricane Issac. The last few advisories sounded like “It’s sooo close to being a hurricane…”
    This also explains why they leapt on the chance to issue an update.

  154. thunk, may or may not be onomotopoeia says

    AS SOON AS
    THE CYCLONE DEVELOPS INNER-CORE CONVECTION AND THE APPEARANCE OF AN
    EYE IN RADAR AND SATELLITE IMAGERY…THE CONVECTION ERODES DUE TO
    THE DRY AIR.

    This sentence especially. Stewart’s frustration with the broken forecast is palpable.

    Though admittedly, it is good for those in the path.

  155. says

    Abandoning the pretense of caring about facts

    Excerpt:

    Nearly three weeks ago, Mitt Romney suggested attack ads rejected by “the various fact-checkers” shouldn’t be on the air. Candidates exposed by the fact-checkers should feel “embarrassed” and pull the falsehoods from the air.

    Last week, Romney switched gears. Told that “the various fact-checkers” consider his ridiculous welfare smear to be a blatant lie, the Republican said fact-checkers are fine, so long as they agree with him. If not, they must be biased.

    Today, Team Romney abandoned the pretense of caring about honesty altogether.

    Romney’s most effective ad campaign (5 ads) is the one in which they claim Obama gutted the work requirement for welfare. It’s a blatant lie, and it is racially charged. But it is working.

    … there is no modern precedent for a presidential candidate rejecting the premise that facts matter. Mitt Romney is trying something no one has ever seen — he’s deemed the truth to be an inconvenient nuisance…

    BuzzFeed’s take on the issue: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/romney-camp-bets-welfare-attack
    “Fact checkers come to this with their own sets of thoughts and beliefs, and we’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers,”…

  156. Beatrice says

    Caine,

    Done. She wasn’t too impressed. Beatrice, Magrat and Agnes all had a strong reaction to the anaesthetic, they’re still a bit out of it. You’d never know Amelia & Gytha had major surgery.

    Aw, poor girls.
    I hope they’re all up and running soon.

  157. says

    Nerd:

    You could also add “easier and at a longer distance than with knife/club/bare hands”.

    Brings to mind a favorite Molly Ivins quote:

    I am not anti-gun. I’m pro-knife. Consider the merits of the knife. In the first place, you have to catch up with someone in order to stab him. A general substitution of knives for guns would promote physical fitness. We’d turn into a whole nation of great runners. Plus, knives don’t ricochet. And people are seldom killed while cleaning their knives.

  158. says

    I still haven’t figured out how to accept a wire transfer. PayPal is much, much easier.

    PayPal is easier, but I’ve found that some companies refuse to use PayPal. They have an accounting system, often automatic, that doesn’t play well with PayPal.

    If you find your bank to be uncomprehending when it comes to IBAN codes, ask to speak to someone in the wire transfer department.

  159. says

    I see someone already posted the Code Pink info up-thread. Here’s more.

    [excerpt]

    We are also focusing on the issue of the GOP’s war on women and trying to take away women’s reproductive rights, so we have been going around in our vagina costumes. We wore them to the Faith and Freedom Coalition [gathering]. We were the dancing vaginas. One of the things we have found is the surest way to make the police go away is try to get your picture in front of them wearing a vagina. They will blush and disappear. The whole horse brigade will leave. It is so funny that they get very intimidated by our vagina costumes. They also laugh and take their own photos of us. That’s what we try to do—make our points, but in a way that’s not too angry or dull. We try to be creative and satirical and try new ways to get the message across….

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/28/medea-benjamin-and-code-pink-protest-the-rnc-in-tampa.html

  160. Richard Austin says

    Testing something. I’d make a real post, but while I’m not really threadrupt (I’ve been keeping up, mostly), I’m kind of fried otherwise.

    Hugs/sympathies/lollipops to those who want them.

  161. cicely says

    And all of my feelings mean that I’m petty and small and superficial, because it is harder for my wife, so I get to swallow my feelings and my guilt too.

    This is normal, Joe. You’re a man, not a robot! You’re allowed to have feelings.

    JAL: *hugs* for you and Little One both. Sometimes the world is just full to overflowing with Suck.

    The guy complains about lack of “male reproductive rights” (what, is it illegal now to have a vasectomy?)

    It means, “In many parts of the world, the children in a marriage are no longer considered the property of the man, to be disposed of at his pleasure! And if I’m an asshole, my ex can conceivably deny me custody/visitation! And get child-support even if we weren’t married! And conceive a child by me without my permission! And she can abort my babby without my permission!” Eleventy!!!, and all that.

    Bic Pen “for her”
    The comments are mostly priceless.

    *snortle! choke!*

    Since we’re talking guns, what’s a good response to someone who pulls out that hackneyed phrase “guns don’t kill people, people kill people”?

    “People kill people…sometimes on impulse…from a safe distance and at small risk to themselves…with guns.”
    -

  162. says

    Republican Governors are twisting and spinning as they try to distance themselves from the debate over work requirements for welfare.

    Two Republican governors are backing away from their expressed interest in welfare reform waivers now that Mitt Romney has made the issue a centerpiece of his campaign against President Obama.

    Utah Gov. Gary Herbert and Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval were among five governors who sought flexibility for the states on alternative ways to achieve the law’s goal of moving recipients from welfare to work. In July, the Obama administration offered states the opportunity to receive a waiver from the 1996 law’s work participation requirements under the condition that more recipients find jobs. If not, they said, the waivers will be denied or rescinded.

    Part of the problem here is language. The so-called “waiver” does not wave the requirement that getting welfare recipients back into the work force is a priority. Governors were asking for flexibility in meeting work requirements. Obama basically said, “Okay, but prove that you will not only meet, but will exceed the work requirements.”

    The Romney campaign, and its supportive super PACs, seized on the directive, airing multiple ads in key states, falsely accusing Obama of “gutting” the welfare law — a claim that multiple fact-checkers, and a growing roster of traditional journalists, have debunked. The Republican governors who sought the flexibility have since been backtracking….

    Link.