Thanks to a comment by Ariel, we can read this interview with a priest, Dariusz Oko from the Papal University of John Paul II, translated from Polish and titled Gender ideology destroys a cradle of humankind – a family. This is good because I was just wondering what the Vatican thinks it means by “gender ideology.” Let’s find out.
Anna Cichobłazińska: – In media there appear more and more terms: gender, ideology of gender, totalitarianism of gender, philosophy of gender. What does this term mean and why is it so dangerous?
Fr. Dariusz Oko: We should speak not so much about ‘philosophy’ but about ‘ideology’ of gender. Philosophy is a radical search for the truth and the good, whereas the ideology is a tool of a ruthless fight about one’s interests also at the cost of the truth and the good. It is to lead to the victory of opinions and satisfying of egoistic desires of a social group at the cost of even the biggest harm done to other groups. In this sense, gender is a classic example of an ideology, is a tool in a ruthless fight for benefits for the atheistic gender and homo-lobby.
Ah yes, in sharp contrast to the Vatican, which never fights ruthlessly for benefits to itself. Cue hollow laughter.
It’s a fascinating claim though. The “normal” situation in which women are subordinate is fine, it’s when women try to be equals instead of subordinates that it’s not fine and priests say they are trying to get benefits for women alone at the expense of “other groups.” (What other groups?)
Q What is at the base of these assumptions?
A Spiritual attitudes of creators of gender ideology. First of all, these are leftist atheists, the leftists. Atheism builds on the fundamental, false assumption of non-existence of God and, consequently, it understands the man and the world in a false way. It is as if a baby, living in the womb of a mother would state that his mother does not exist at all. Then the baby will go from absurd to absurd.
No. Suppose a baby magically developed enough to think in that way, the baby would have very good reasons to be aware of the existence of her mother. Atheists don’t say the world we live in doesn’t exist. We have very good reasons to be aware of the existence of the world; the same does not apply to “god.”
The priest cites the body count of “atheism” (meaning Nazism and Stalinism and Maoism), then explains how feminism will also have its body count. Any day now. No really.
People who are the most fierce enemies of God, they are also becoming the most fervent servants of satan. We should remember that it is just satan who becomes the basic source of their way of thinking. However, after this ocean of crimes and absurd, atheists find it difficult to gain the authority through classical Marxism, it is too discredited for it. Also their atheistic assumptions are like mental chains and shackles, which do not allow for going further towards the truth. They are somehow ‘doomed’ to move around in a small area of atheism, they cannot come out into more open areas, or understand more things. Moreover, like every man, they need a kind of worldview, a kind of sense, a kind of a special understanding the reality. When the simple Marxism cannot hold these functions any more, they invented its mutation, that is, gender ideology. They are also creating an illusion of mission and service. As they ‘used to help’ workers and peasants, seizing the whole authority for themselves in this way, and creating the worst and the bloodiest dictatorships known in the history, so now they want to ‘help’ people sexually different and by the way they want to gain the totalitarian authority. Because they are spiritual or even physical descendants of the worst and atheistic offenders, one should expect that they will be similarly wicked, hypocritical and ruthless in their actions.
Right. Atheism is tiny and closed, while Catholicism is big and wide-open and full of More Things.
Q Exactly, why are they talking about sex so much, and are concentrated on it?
A It is typical for atheism. If what is the supreme and the most spiritual in a man is negated, that is, his community with God and people, the human existence is getting poor anyway and a man is falling into what is lower and purely physiological. And sexuality belongs to the most powerful forces of our carnality, hence there is its overestimation, passive subordination to it and separation from love and responsibility leads easily to servitude, a search for one’s fulfilment and happiness, nearly only within its limits, also on the way of behaviours which are very distorted. For this reason atheists become sex-maniacs and sex-addicts and they want to impose these ill attitudes on the society.
Says the guy from the church with a long history of child-rape and being accomplices, accessories, aiders and abettors.
There’s a lot more. It’s creepy, creepy stuff.
Or holly laughter. Or wholly laughter. Ho. Ho. Ho. Sanity Clause.
Is the translation from Popelish accurate?
BOOM. ‘ead ‘splode
(virginity obsession, anyone? absolution? spirit&dough?)
ideology is a tool of a ruthless fight about one’s interests also at the cost of the truth and the good.
Religion = ideology. Got it.
Yeah, cause the celibate guys know -everything- about gender and sexuality.
Well, that’s actually a step back.
In the OT Eve had at least some agency in the downfall…
I’m not sure if it’s the translation, the theology, or both, but I seriously cannot make head nor tails of anything this guy is saying.
The body count due to feminism will be huge, because it will include all those innocent babies who were a) aborted, b) never conceived due to contraception, c) never conceived because the woman refused intercourse, d) never conceived because the woman went out and got an education and/or job instead of getting married and starting a family immediately after hitting puberty.
Oh, this article is one of the best late-Christmas gifts I’ve ever been given!
Indeed, I’m sure Irish women are very thankful they live in such a strongly Catholic country. The entire thing is textbook projection:
Wow. Thank goodness I chucked my irony meter long ago…
I’m glad you’re enjoying it, hj. 🙂
“Women or people who are differently disabled”
Gee thanks on both counts.
So if we ‘help’ people who are ‘sexually different’ we can take over the world? Woohoo!
Hjhornbeck, I’m also glad that you are enjoying it; the whole interview is a treasure indeed and I linked to it partly for fun. Unfortunately, it’s something far more than fun. Here is a quote from Agnieszka Graff, a Polish feminist writer and activist (in a rather loose translation of mine, I have no patience to polish it):
What are these goals? Various possibilities come to mind, e.g.:
– to give the press other fascinating topics than pedophilia scandals (if that was the aim, they were quite successful!)
– to enlarge their social base, to find allies even among people who are not very religious (moderately successful, or so at least it seems to me)
– to ensure a victory of the right wing parties in the upcoming election (well, we will see about this one)
Of course apart from that, we still have the usual old goal: obviously they want to control education. In this context what would be more efficient than to accuse the other side of “sexualizing children”?
I understand that you are laughing and it’s great. I just can’t help wondering whether our electorate will be laughing next year. It would be nice to believe that our episcopate is simply a bunch of fools but I’m afraid I have to agree with Graff: all of this looks quite well planned and coordinated.
There is some serious projection going on here. Instead of atheist, one could easily use priest instead.
“(When the Vatican thinks about a) baby, living in the womb of a mother (the Vatican) would state that his mother does not exist at all.”
” their (catholic) assumptions are like mental chains and shackles, which do not allow for going further towards the truth. (the priests) are somehow ‘doomed’ to move around in a small area of (Catholicism), they cannot come out into more open areas, or understand more things.”
Because (the priests) are spiritual or even physical descendants of the worst and (catholic) offenders, one should expect that they will be similarly wicked, hypocritical and ruthless in their actions”
Nazism was not atheist – to the extent that it had a religious position, it was Christian. Though I see, clicking through the link, that the priest explicitly puts 50 million Nazi murders and war victims on atheism’s tab. Stay classy, Padre.
Wrong, Robert B! Hitler was an atheist hellbent on spreading his gender ideology/feminism to the rest of the world. Luckily our good Catholic boys were able to put a stop to his madness.
Hey, that’s a good one! So, anyone who agrees with me is a truth-seeking philosopher, and anyone who disagrees with me is a ruthless ideologue? Man, that is SOOOO true!