The mountain lion example is a major categorical error.
There’s something we hold humans to, that we don’t with animals – we hold them responsible for their actions. We do this, because we understand humans have the higher level cognition/sentience to understand the consequences of their actions.
We’re not wild animals. We have explicitly mandated, within our social contract, that people do not commit crimes against others… and it’s just to be expected that this is the norm, and it’s understood as the norm.
It’s the same reason why no matter how much Christians are offended by atheist criticisms of their religion, it is never okay for them to commit physical violence about us… and our criticism is never a permission slip for physical abuse.
Anything short of explicit consent, to be socked in the face for Jesus, is automatically understood as deserving prosecution against the assailant.
I agree with Carrier – Thunderfoot is a sociopath to not get this basic tenet of civilization. I expect the mountain lion to hunt for food…. but I expect the human to override any primitive urges he/she may have, as the norm.
That’s the thing about the mountain lion story that shits me – thunderd00che is equating men/rapists with wild animals and basically saying that “being raped” is just something that happens, like an act of nature, so you’d better just be prepared. That’s opposed to rape, say, being a conscious act of violence that people perpetrate against other people. It’s like comparing being raped with going out without an umbrella and getting rained on.
But, Phil, animals don’t attack people for personal satisfaction – and rapists don’t fall from the fucking sky.
My guess is Tf00t saw a golden retriever puppy trying to follow him home, misidentified it and panicked.
A Hermitsays
It’s even worse than that; he says it was a mountain lion with a cub, meaning it probably perceived him as a possible threat and was trying to scare him away to defend its offspring.
I wonder if it tried to look like a wasp?
Stevarious, Public Health Problemsays
There’s something we hold humans to, that we don’t with animals – we hold them responsible for their actions.
I’ve noticed this as something of a common theme among MRA’s. They seem to view rapists as some sort of elemental force, undeterable and mindless. As if rapists are somehow less than human.
Unfortunately, evidence shows that the tendency to rape is an all too human feature.
Aneressays
I startled my household by spontaneously laughing when this line came up: “That’s right; a mountain lion tried to rape Thunderf00t.” Because that’s pretty much what the story sounds like, especially in the context of this subject.
trog69says
Devastating rebuttal. I posted at YouTube that Thunderfoot might consider unplugging from social media contacts until the pain subsides; a decade or two should do it.
Didn’t ThunderfOOt scare off the mountain lion by buzzing like a wasp and extending a stinger out of his butt?
The mountain lion example is a major categorical error.
There’s something we hold humans to, that we don’t with animals – we hold them responsible for their actions. We do this, because we understand humans have the higher level cognition/sentience to understand the consequences of their actions.
We’re not wild animals. We have explicitly mandated, within our social contract, that people do not commit crimes against others… and it’s just to be expected that this is the norm, and it’s understood as the norm.
It’s the same reason why no matter how much Christians are offended by atheist criticisms of their religion, it is never okay for them to commit physical violence about us… and our criticism is never a permission slip for physical abuse.
Anything short of explicit consent, to be socked in the face for Jesus, is automatically understood as deserving prosecution against the assailant.
I agree with Carrier – Thunderfoot is a sociopath to not get this basic tenet of civilization. I expect the mountain lion to hunt for food…. but I expect the human to override any primitive urges he/she may have, as the norm.
That’s the thing about the mountain lion story that shits me – thunderd00che is equating men/rapists with wild animals and basically saying that “being raped” is just something that happens, like an act of nature, so you’d better just be prepared. That’s opposed to rape, say, being a conscious act of violence that people perpetrate against other people. It’s like comparing being raped with going out without an umbrella and getting rained on.
But, Phil, animals don’t attack people for personal satisfaction – and rapists don’t fall from the fucking sky.
My guess is Tf00t saw a golden retriever puppy trying to follow him home, misidentified it and panicked.
It’s even worse than that; he says it was a mountain lion with a cub, meaning it probably perceived him as a possible threat and was trying to scare him away to defend its offspring.
I wonder if it tried to look like a wasp?
I’ve noticed this as something of a common theme among MRA’s. They seem to view rapists as some sort of elemental force, undeterable and mindless. As if rapists are somehow less than human.
Unfortunately, evidence shows that the tendency to rape is an all too human feature.
I startled my household by spontaneously laughing when this line came up: “That’s right; a mountain lion tried to rape Thunderf00t.” Because that’s pretty much what the story sounds like, especially in the context of this subject.
Devastating rebuttal. I posted at YouTube that Thunderfoot might consider unplugging from social media contacts until the pain subsides; a decade or two should do it.
Which says to me that he saw the same golden retriever puppy twice, with a better look the second time.