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Jun 20 2012

Plumbing instructions

A couple of good posts on how to not urinate on women.

Dana on How not to handle harassment.

Chris Clarke on Misogyny, the skeptics movement, and grand theft auto.

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  1. 1
    SC (Salty Current), OM

    It’s funny that you should link to those two in the same post. I’ve long been impressed with both of their blogs, and I’m just realizing how similar they are – earthy, direct, personal, compassionate. Badlands.

  2. 2
    Chris Clarke

    Dana is the cooler, more awesome version of me.

    And thanks, Ophelia!

  3. 3
    Chris Clarke

    Preview is your friend. That should clearly have been “Thanks Ophelia and SC.”

  4. 4
    SC (Salty Current), OM

    That should clearly have been “Thanks Ophelia and SC.”

    :)

  5. 5
    Yahweh

    One of the reasons I grew up an atheist is because the adults around me were so adamant that there was no error, no learning from experience. Moral matters were all quite straighforward and we humans – actually, just we children, somehow the adults were better – were just inherently bad.

    As a child, it’s hard to argue when your faults have suddenly been made so obvious but I could not go along with it either and I am temperamentally disinclined to repentance. It was a lose-lose situation.

    Back to the present: I found the grand-theft auto article enlightening. These shifts in perspective/viewpoint really help to understand. I hadn’t thought of it this way.

    And this is where I have a problem with the way you introduced an otherwise great link: “how not to urinate on women”.

    I understand the humour of course. Urinating on someone is not something one does by accident or through error hence no need to be told how not to. No ignorance, just sin.

    But it does make you sound like one of those old, self-certain, unforgiving, misanthropic priests.

    Cue abuse…

  6. 6
    Trikeabout

    Watching a similar victim-blaming episode going on elsewhere on the ‘net, because a games journalist reported how she was poorly treated at E3. Her follow-up post is just a little upsetting.

    http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/06/so-what-if-im-a-woman-let-me-play-the-game/

    Having had an excellent primer in spotting victim-blaming during the various blow-ups in the sceptic community over the last little while, it’s becoming a lot easier to spot this elsewhere. And both the misogyny and the poor response to people reporting it seem to be ubiquitous. Bleugh.

    Enjoyed the above links, starting to get a clue as to productive ways to call people out on this behaviour.

  7. 7
    Pteryxx

    Trikeabout, that Kotaku blogger’s follow-up is EXCELLENT.

    On the demands that she name and shame:

    For another – and I’ve said this several times and am getting quite tired of repeating it – this isn’t about the one goddamn guy. He’s indicative of a problem that’s deeply rooted in the industry itself. Naming him is treating the symptom of a disease, not the cause. We could all go and make his life hell with threats on the lives of his wife and kids and pet ferrets and whatever, but in two weeks things would be exactly the same as they were before. We would believe that the problem had been taken care of, leaving one guy bruised and broken while the true disease continues to manifest in the industry.

    I think my refusing to name him is making people feel uncomfortable, because it prevents them from just blaming one person, destroying him, and then sweeping his remains under the rug. I mean, sure, I hope the PR rep in question has read my article and realises that what he did was wrong. I also hope that many, many others in the industry are also taking note.

  8. 8
    julian

    I think my refusing to name him is making people feel uncomfortable, because it prevents them from just blaming one person, destroying him, and then sweeping his remains under the rug. I mean, sure, I hope the PR rep in question has read my article and realises that what he did was wrong. I also hope that many, many others in the industry are also taking note.

    That is beautiful.

  9. 9
    Lyanna

    But it does make you sound like one of those old, self-certain, unforgiving, misanthropic priests.

    Only to those who think complaining about sexual harassment is so similar to bullying child molestation victims, or gay people.

    Cue abuse…

    Oh, you poor martyr! Poor baby doesn’t get to go around comparing people to “old, self-certain, unforgiving, misanthropic priests” without criticism. So abused!

  10. 10
    julian

    But it does make you sound like one of those old, self-certain, unforgiving, misanthropic priests.

    How?

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