Vox Day’s amazing ego, and Bill Dembski don’t care


It’s been a long time since I paid any attention to Bill Dembski or Vox Day/Theodore Beale, but they seem to have found each other in an unholy marriage of stupidity. Vox has “published” a new article called MITTENS 3.0 — MITTENS is an acronym for Mathematical Impossibility of The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection — and it attempts to use mathematics to disprove evolution, using the data from the Long-Term Evolution Experiment by Richard Lenski.

It’s not really “published” in the sense of scientific publishing. There was no peer review, but just a dump of his assertions to an archive with no critical assessment. He compares the data from the LTEE to known divergence rates between Homo sapiens and chimpanzees, asking whether documented mutation rates in E. coli are sufficient to account for the 35 million single-nucleotide variation between two primate species. He says not.

The numbers are clear. At the non-mutator rate, 191 fixations can be accomplished in 252,000 generations. The requirement is 205 million. The shortfall is 1,075,000-fold.

Unfortunately for him, he exposes his methodology. He looks at the rate for a single mutation to go to fixation, divides the number of generations (252,000) by that rate, and concludes that there has only been time to accumulate 191 mutations. That’s true, if each trait has to wait for the previous mutation to go to fixation before it can be selected/drift to fixation itself. This is not how evolution works. Evolution is a property of populations and involves massively parallel action on multiple traits and individuals at once. Vox is using the typical simple-minded sequential estimations that simple-minded creationists have been using for decades to disprove their cartoon version of evolution. It’s ridiculous.

But Bill Dembski sees a naive “disproof” of evolution and decides that he and the author must be bestest buddies, and grants him a long interview in which Vox gets to thump his chest and gloat. Nowhere in this interview does Bill bring up Vox Day’s long history of coarse racism and ugly misogyny, nor does he bother to dig into the mathematics of Vox’s “disproof,” which is surprising since Dembski is purportedly a mathematician. Instead, it’s a long exercise in sucking up to Vox’s ego.

For instance, Vox has an undergraduate degree in economics and East Asian studies from Bucknell University, a small private liberal arts college. He does not have a science degree, and by his own admission he did not exactly apply himself to his studies.

Bill: You graduated from Bucknell University with majors in economics and East Asian studies. Please describe your training in economics in detail. What mathematics, probability, statistics, econometrics, or modeling did the program teach you, and which parts of that training have proved most relevant to your work on evolution?

Vox: My econ program covered all of those things except probability, although I didn’t take a course in modeling because my focus was on the historical process of development in late-developing countries like Japan and the Soviet Union. I did independent studies under Michael Moohr and Robert Chernomas, so my studies were a little bit more Marxian than was customary at the time. I would say developing an intuitive grasp of statistics, their limits, and how important it is to understand them contextually is what proved to be most relevant to all of my subsequent work, in games, evolution, and philosophy.

That’s not a very detailed answer. Any student who tells me that their achievement was developing an intuitive grasp of a subject is bullshitting me. Then he confirms it: Vox Day was a slacker who learned nothing in college.

Bill: Did you pursue any graduate study, professional research, or sustained independent work in mathematical economics or mathematics more generally after Bucknell?

Vox: None whatsoever. My biggest educational regret is not dropping out after my first semester sophomore year. I consider academic credentials to be a pointless waste of time. At Bucknell I seldom went to class and sometimes didn’t even bother buying the textbook. Once my professors realized that I was doing fine academically without doing the reading or attending the classes, they switched me to independent studies. I barely went to to a class my senior year.

He wishes he dropped out after his first semester, he seldom went to class, and didn’t bother reading the textbook — and he probably thinks that means he must have been a genius, rather than a lazy goof. It doesn’t speak well of Bucknell or his professors that they decided to get rid of him by putting him in a program of independent studies, rather than flunking him. I sorta sympathize with them. You get attached to your students and want to help them succeed, so you coach them through and design a limited curriculum that matches their abilities to allow them to finish the program. I guess we’re doing the students no favor if that just means their ego is stoked.

So if he has no background in or comprehension of biology, how did he write MITTENS? He explains it all:

Vox: AI did all the calculations and wrote the first draft of everything. It also provided about 750 of the 20 effective criticisms that improved the paper. I don’t think most people understand the first thing about the proper way to use AI to augment your outputs. If you don’t really know what you’re doing, AI will do nothing but defend its training and convince you that you’re wrong. I address this in great detail in Hardcoded, a book I wrote about the process of writing PZ and TFG.

[PZ is his book, Probability Zero, and has nothing to do with me; TFG is The Frozen Gene, another book he hacked together with AI. Isn’t AI wonderful? So many words, so much nonsense.]

Apparently the proper way to use AI is to hammer its outputs through multiple iterations until it tells you the answer you want to hear.

Well, but surely he had the work reviewed and evaluated by his colleagues? Nope, he has no colleagues. He has more AI.

Vox: My first, foremost, and primary form of feedback is from my Red Team. For all my papers, non-fiction books, and translations, I run them through a Red Team Stress Test comprised of ChatGPT, Deepseek, Gemini, and Grok instructed to take a hard oppositional stance. They produce detailed and extensive criticisms, most of which are obviously erroneous in some way, but even when incorrect, often produce new lines of attack. I seldom bother with human feedback. But both PZ and TFG were sent out pre-release to about ten volunteer readers, who ranged from a world-class physicist to a number of mathematicians with PhDs. I got some very good suggestions for improvement from a few of them, and even an Introduction and an Appendix from Dr. Tipler. But none of them had anything to add that fundamentally altered the work; I discovered and resolved the Kimura and LTEE [Long-Term Evolution Experiment] anomalies on my own after the fact.

Oh, well, he’s got the approval of notorious crank Frank J. Tipler, who has written multiple books on the physics of the supernatural and also writes for the Discovery Institute. So much credibility, wow. I’ll have to quote Wikipedia on Tipler to give you a little background.

Frank Jennings Tipler (born February 1, 1947) is an American mathematical physicist and cosmologist, holding a joint appointment in the Departments of Mathematics and Physics at Tulane University.[2] Tipler has written books and papers on the Omega Point based on Pierre Teilhard de Chardin’s religious ideas, which he claims is a mechanism for the resurrection of the dead. He is also known for his theories on the Tipler cylinder time machine. His work has attracted criticism from many, for example cosmologist George Ellis, who has argued that his theories are largely pseudoscience.

The bulk of the wikipedia article is about all the people who reject his nonsense. But sure, Vox Day has one supporter with legitimate academic credentials, that he was too lazy/incompetent to earn for himself. Otherwise, he’s just smarter than Kimura and Lenski.

He really does think he has disproven all of evolution all by himself, with a paper that contains all of 11 citations (a number I’d find unacceptable in an undergrad student paper that was much more narrow in its scope). Even worse, 7 of those citations are to the LTEE, and contradict his conclusions, and 2 are to ape genome sequencing papers whose authors would be surprised to learn how their work is being distorted. At least he has 2 that reinforce his argument, sorta, but they’re both also written by Vox Day.

So this is an argument made by an unqualified buffoon who churned it out of a battery of AIs, written with negligible knowledge of the scientific literature, and rubber-stamped by a couple of biased dorks from the Discovery Institute. But have no fear, his anti-evolution sentiment is not based on religious dogma at all.

Bill: To what degree, if at all, do religious considerations motivate you, not so much in the arguments you make but in the fact that you are making arguments against neo-Darwinism at all? In 2008, you published a book titled The Irrational Atheists, taking on what were then “the New Atheists” — Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and Harris. They all lean heavily on Darwin to support their atheism. Did your religious leanings or your anti-atheistic leanings at all motivate your work criticizing evolution? Briefly, can you state your religious faith, whatever it may be?

Vox: Not at all. My faith is not based upon the historical origins of homo sapiens sapiens or any other species. I believe in material evil and I believe that Jesus Christ is the only thing standing between Man and his enslavement by that evil. I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God… In sum, I’m a Nicene Creed Christian.

And he has a flaming sword. Can’t argue with that.

Comments

  1. imback says

    I’ve lived over 2.1 billion seconds and have say 30 trillion cells. That means each cell must have developed in about 0.00007 seconds, which is impossibly fast without a god. QED!

  2. raven says

    A forgettable nobody.
    I haven’t thought of him in a decade or so.

    Wikipedia:

    White supremacy
    Beale has been supportive of the white supremacist Fourteen Words slogan,[63] promoting it in his Sixteen points of the Alt-Right,[64][65] which placed the sentence “we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children” as the fourteenth point.[66]

    Women’s suffrage
    The New Republic reported that Beale “has written that women should be deprived of the vote”.[67] Beale said in a blog post that “women’s suffrage has been a complete and unmitigated disaster across the West and it is doubtful that any society can survive it for long.”[68]

    Generic hater, racist and misogynist.
    He hasn’t had an original thought in his life.

    According to Wikipedia he now lives in Switzerland. Good riddance.

    His Wikipedia entry has been scrubbed. No mention of his felon father.

    Yes, Robert B. Beale, the father of Theodore Beale (better known by his pseudonym Vox Day), is a convicted criminal.
    and
    He attempted to intimidate the trial judge by setting up a fraudulent “Common Law Court” that issued a fake warrant for her arrest. Following his conviction, he was sentenced to 134 months (more than 11 years) in federal prison, mostly for tax evasion, flight from prosecution, and threatened the judge.

  3. Owlmirror says

    Please don’t gratuitously insult VD by calling him an “unqualified buffoon”. John Scalzi called VD a “fairly ignorant jackass” twenty-one years ago, and I don’t think VD ever got over it.

    He may have a flaming sword, but his soul is the soul of a fragile snowflake.

  4. Jenora Feuer says

    Why would I want to argue with a flaming sword? It’s a perfect symbol of exactly the sort of overblown ego we’re dealing with here. He’s absolutely certain he’s fighting on the side of the angels, and no amount of messy real evidence can be allowed to convince him otherwise, because he’s smarter than everybody else and has already answered all the arguments in absentia.

  5. zetopan says

    Bill Dumbski [sic] is a nobody, full of himself. Every person born has about 100 mutations that neither of their parents had. But being willfully ignorant does have its advantages.
    “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.”– Bertrand Russell

  6. says

    No, no — according to Vox, we are born with at most 1 mutation, and it’s going to be shared with the entire population, eventually. Don’t you know math?

  7. Rich Woods says

    Apparently the proper way to use AI is to hammer its outputs through multiple iterations until it tells you the answer you want to hear.

    I have heard flat-earthers do exactly that. It was entertaining at the time, but now everything to do with LLMs seems increasingly dispiriting.

  8. birgerjohansson says

    At least Rupert Sheldrake and his “morphic resonance” theory is silly in a fun way. America needs a better class of kooks.

    Raven @ 2
    Sounds like a bog-standard, evil and above all dull bloke.

    Say what you want about the Raelian flying-saucer cult, they are into sex in a big way. If they had the media clout of the Discovery institute they might be competing with the biggest churches. But they have to lose the swastika first.
    .
    If you gave me a hand with printing I could probably put together a nonsense theory that is much more entertaining. God did not ‘create’ the world – he won it in a poker game with the Sumerian pantheon. Cephalopods are alien? I will prove capybaras are alien.
    The introns in DNA are coded messages for solving crossword puzzles in The Galactic Times. The Reptilians are here to exploit a tax loophole that makes dumb primates exempt from space tax.

  9. drmarcushill says

    Hey, I’m a mathematician with a PhD! Maybe I should offer to read his next book? Or maybe not. I don’t know anywhere near enough biology (I suspect I know more than VD, but that’s a bar so low it’s subterranean), and, more importantly, I suspect reading it would make my brain melt.

  10. John Morales says

    [OT]

    Rich Woods @11: Guess who else is letting AI tell him what to do: Donald Trump.

    What? No. You missed the point, clearly misreading the actual claim:
    “Apparently the proper way to use AI is to hammer its outputs through multiple iterations until it tells you the answer you want to hear.”

    The opposite: the user tells the AI what to do.

    We all know one thing AIs do is flatter and pander to whoever is talking to them

    Easily fixed, with a sufficiently adversarial stance.
    One thing they can also do is prompt the user for more input, also easily fixed.
    There are many, many things they do, as well as that.

    So now I guess that AI is gonna put all Trump’s human panderers and flatterers out of work…?

    Bad guess. No.

  11. StevoR says

    ..he has a flaming sword. Can’t argue with that.

    If the sword is flaming then it is presumably composed of a flamable substance or it would soon go out when the flamable substance burns away.

    If the blade is ablaze, it is likely to be lacking strength and consuming itself and therefore increasingly lacking strength and literal substance and more likely to disintegrate upon impact so ..

    Advantage to the opponent with the non-blazing sword or projectile / ranged weapon?*

    Advise wearing fireproof and well cooled armour. Probably also PPE to protect the face and eyes and maybe a gas mask to protect against toxic fumes from the burning blades material.

    .* Indiana Jones springs to mind here. (16 secs long.)

  12. zetopan says

    PZ@10: “Don’t you know math?”
    Sorry, but I was apparently incorrectly thinking that math was constrained to at least some aspects of reality, and even require logical thinking. I now realize the error of my ways so that I can use alternative math instead. According to the principles of a math and physics* “jenius”, Terryology math is: one times one equals two and zero does not even exist, obviously differing from those experts that the Orange Führer, RFK Jr. and the remainder of the MAGA cult want driven outside the US.
    https://americanloons.blogspot.com/2026/08/3049-terrence-howard.html

  13. says

    He has 3 kids, at least one of which must be an adult at this point. So, will we see VD Mark II, or will we eventually read an article with the younger Beale calling their father a weirdo?

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