I learned about this horror from Greta Christina: there are networks of websites that host videos of men raping their partners. These sickos drug women without their knowledge, record themselves assaulting these unconscious women, do live video streams where they take suggestions on what to do to them, and thousands of men log in for the thrill of watching rape.
While the platforms vary, inside such groups, video is king. Some users advertised livestreams, showing the abuse of drugged women in real time, for $20 per viewer, with cryptocurrency the preferred means of payment.
Of course, these are human beings being abused for the entertainment of strangers, but sometimes they get even.
When Zoe Watts learned that her husband of 16 years had been crushing her son’s sleeping medicine into her tea and raping her while she was passed out, it shattered her world.
“We worry about who’s coming behind us, walking down the street, or who’s even friending us on Facebook. You know, we worry about going to our car late at night in a car park, but we don’t worry about who you lie next to. I didn’t realize I had to,” Watts said.
Her then husband’s confession came on an otherwise ordinary Sunday in 2018, after the couple – who share four children – had returned from church.
“He reeled off a list of his wrongdoings… as if it was, you know, a shopping list,” Watts said, speaking to CNN at her house in Devon, England.
He told her the abuse had been going on for years.
Telling her after church was a nice touch. Her response was appropriate: she turned him in to the police, all the evidence was right there on video, and he is currently serving an 11 year prison sentence.
Good.
Now let’s get all the other participants in this criminal activity — these sites had 62 million visits — arrested, and shut down all these facilitating web sites.
Yet those of us who will never trust men get accused of “misandry”.
I wish that I wasn’t surprised but having heard news reports of websites where you could commission acts of torture, including rape, of children and animals this is, alas, more or less expected..
We have a president who has been credibly accused of attempted rape of a 13 year old girl. Nothing happens in Washinton D.C. Meanwhile, online, young men look for neurotic young women to abuse, sextortion and worse. Google 764 for more.
So presumably the authorities are aware of this and busily gather all the self-recorded evidence and charge all involved bar the victims yeah?
(Remembers not to hold breath.)
cheerfulcharlie: Trump hasn’t just been “credibly accused” of raping several minors — he’s admitted he has, by way of the 7- or 8-figure hush-money settlements he’s paid to about a dozen individuals. That’s not how innocent people deal with false accusations.
Dumpster even bragged about his rapacious behavior on the Access Hollywood tape. He was describing sexual assault. His “they let you” is not consent.
Do you mean your link to Greta Christina to go here: https://the-orbit.net/greta/
@ 6. robro : After which Trump got elected – twice.
Because misogny and the toxic masculinity Trump kult and the Berniebros and Kamala underminers combined forces along with literal nazi scum, and world’s richest man and other reichwing billionaires & media Tsars.
Because too many Americans would rather have the very worst & least qualified and least fit of all possible men in charge than the very best and most competent & qualified women.
Even after Jan 6th which should have meant the end not only of Trump’s political career but seen him in jail from Jan 7th onwards up until the end of his miserable life.
^ With some help from Putin, Assange and Comey.
Plus the most flawed and fouled up useless sad excuse for a politicla system in any modern self-proclaimed democracy
And men wonder why women will choose the bear.
The incidents of women being abused, raped and murdered are horrific. In addition, the incidents of the populace in this country being abused and murdered by the plutocratic magats and corporations are horrific.
From the standpoint of being caring and honest and decent, human society has always been an almost complete failure.
And, I know that, just like me, PZ and many here have known for a long time that ‘Humans are awful creatures’.
Maybe bessent’s reference to vermouth is something we should be drinking a lot of instead of ‘cancer curing diet soda’. WTF
@1 Tabby
Misandry and gender essentialism with a heaping helping of trans-exclusive exterminationism, yes. Get professional help.
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beholder, it amuses me how you instantiate and thus vindicate Tabby’s claim so extravagantly by your accusation.
(Heh)
Reddit has something like 20 billion visits per year, the vast majority of which don’t visit “loli hentai” subreddits or their like, and often aren’t even aware that they exist. Let’s not condemn literally every single visitor to some porn site because some obscure niche subforum has disgusting material on it.
Literally any topic StevoR: “This is the fault of the Berniebros and all the other people I blame the 2024 election result on”. This is just impotent rage. It’s not achieving anything. Go to therapy and get over it, it’s getting really annoying.
@ ^ kurt1 :
Fixed it for ya.
I don’t blame the Berniebros for the 2024 election result – I do blame them – correctly – for the 2016 one. Along with Comey, Assange, the Electoral College abomination, Stein and the other third party spoilers.
Stein deserves even more blame along with the third party spoiler voters and non-voters for the 2024 result since we had the very painful and consequential lesson of what happened in 2016 (plus 2000 w Gore vs Dubya Bush) that should have bene learnt by then. Stein (& West) should NOT have run and no leftwing person should have opposed or undermined Kamala knowing the consequences of their actions.
Your lack of actual substantive argument against these basic facts is duly noted.
False. Its called holding the guilty parties to account and responsible and it is driving home a lesson that clearly needs to be stressed and learnt until it is thoroughly understood and acknowledged by everyone. Until the guilty parties admit and understand what they did and more importantly change their behaviour accordingly. Until everyone remembers it and never again falls into the traps of Bothsiderism and Only-a-Unicorn-will-do-ism. Til people stop undermining and attacking and instead unite behind and support the ONLY actual alternative party in the terribly fouled up mess that is the USA’s political system and reform it to prevent third party spoilers in future.
Nowhere near as annoying as having Trump helping trolls, Bothsiderists and Only-a-Unicornist klowns wrecking the entire world by constantly pushing their toxic destructive bullshit here and elsewhere. They are the ones that need therapy and stopping and need to grow up and learn and accept basic political reality and logic here.
Oh and, yes, I will keep calling them out and holding them responsible every time. Don’t like that? Tough shit.
Oh and BTW, anyone else get a distinct whiff of sock here?
Nah. Exasperation, mainly.
“Its called holding the guilty parties to account and responsible and it is driving home a lesson that clearly needs to be stressed and learnt until it is thoroughly understood and acknowledged by everyone.”
There are not many people here reading the comments. The people that do will know your position by now, because you post something like this for years now. People finally got around to ignoring your BS and I thought that maybe it will stop. Unfortunately that was incorrect. The only thing you are convincing people of is, that you must be one of the most unpleasant people to be around.
@ ^ kurt1 : I’m not and that was a needless personal attack. In fact both your comments here so far as I’m aware are needless personal attacks on me – why?
Also what I’m saying is NOT BS, it is the truth and again you have provided no reason or argument why you think it isn’t or is BS other than your dislike of holding those responsible for making the world a vastly worse place to account.
Why does it bother you Kurt1 – guilty conscience? Did you vote and argue against the ONLY ALTERNATIVE to Trump and his Fascism in the USA’s shitty, two-party system? Were you in the Abandon Biden-Harris and thereby support Trump group? Do you think it was worth destroying the world and the esp the USA as we know it putting Trump in charge with all the consequences for Climate action, Democracy, Trans rights, LGBTQUIA rights, women’s rights, SCOTUS, Ukraine, International law, Gaza, Iran, etc.. just to punish Kamala and former President Biden for what Netanyahu did – which they actually opposed?
Why do you want to memory hole the words and actions of people who helped Trump by attacking and undermining the alternative better of the USA’s two parties letting them off the hook without them facing up to what they did and have therefore caused, apologising , rethinking their views and changing their behaviour accordingly?
Also why are these the first and only comments I can recall seeing from you here?
PS. I predict that Kurt1 like certain known trolls here will refuse to answer those above questions or enagage in further good faith discussion. Kurt 1 can, obvs prove me wrong by answering those in good faith.
I suspect “kurt1” is a sockpuppet of either the Trump supporting disingenuous troll “Beholder” or maybe their only supporter here Silentbob.
StevoR:
You have been told: “This is just impotent rage. It’s not achieving anything. Go to therapy and get over it, it’s getting really annoying.”
I don’t. It fits neither’s modus or habitus.
How is that ‘also’? That’s the same claim, but obliquely.
An expression of paranoia.
Here, for ya: https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/08/12/introductions/comment-page-1/#comment-429518
“I’m not and that was a needless personal attack. In fact both your comments here so far as I’m aware are needless personal attacks on me – why?”
Because I don’t want to have the same argument, that you went through with various different people here multiple times, again. My entire point is, that your habit of derailing every other blog post with the same invective against various groups and people you dislike to bait people into a discussions about why it would have been the morally correct choice to vote for Clinton or Harris “until it is thoroughly understood and acknowledged by everyone” is toxic behavior and it would be great if you could just stop that. Or at least limit it to topics that are somewhat US politics related. Unfortunately I doubt you will.
BTW you already interacted with me on here. A couple of years ago you called me a russian bot while that was en vogue, if I remember correctly.
@Morales: You don’t understand, I’m playing the very long game for the unholy triumvirate of Bernie Sanders, Vladimir Putin and Julian Assange. StevoR is the only obstacle to world dominance; so they send me back in time to make an account on an obscure blog network to take him out by posting two decades later.
@21: Wow — that thread has Josh Slocum in it. He’s gone down a rather dark alt-right road in the years since.
@StevoR: It’s one thing to continue to be enraged by current US politics, and how it got to be this way. I’m pretty sure the regulars here share your dismay, if not your intensity. But when you start to see sockpuppets behind every bit of pushback? Yes, that is over the top. Get a grip.
From the CNN link
For starters, it decidedly isn’t legal and unquestionably isn’t moral.
But the part that really caught my eye was how quickly and how many users on the sites were interested in monetizing their crimes.
I’m guessing they aren’t declaring that income on their taxes.
The IRS used the same legal reasoning to nail Capone and more recently, the Welcome to Video pedophile operation. (all the trigger warnings)
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-ci-highlights
Largest darknet marketplace for child exploitation.
Resulted in over 330 arrests and 23 kids saved who were being actively abused.
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/south-korean-national-and-hundreds-others-charged-worldwide-takedown-largest-darknet-child
https://www.wired.com/story/tracers-in-the-dark-welcome-to-video-crypto-anonymity-myth/
So why aren’t US IRS and FBI agents tracking down these sociopathic freaks on financial grounds, if nothing else?
silvrhalide, a rhetorical question, presumably.
From Google:
@ ^23. Stevewatson : ”when you start to see sockpuppets behind every bit of pushback?”
I don’t. I found one comment suspicious for the very good reasons that a commenter I’d
didn’t recall encountering ever before whose comments here are exceptionally rare suddenly popped up out of nowhere to launch personal attacks on me.
“Pushback” from regulars eg John Morales eg #21 I’m well, not exactly happy about but certainly don’t think they are sockpuppets. Thinking of :
@21. John Morales : I stand corrected, kurt1 isn’t a sockpuppet. Thanks. He’s just someone who could easily be mistaken for one because they hardly ever bother to comment and only posted this time to attack me for holding those responsible for the mess the world is currently in, well, responsible for their actions and words that have the entire planet in the mess it is currently in.
@22. kurt1 :
you already interacted with me on here. A couple of years ago you called me a russian bot while that was en vogue, if I remember correctly.
I have totally forgotten that. If I did then I must have had good reason to do so and Russian bots are, of course, an actual thing or are you denying that reality too?
I note that you have – as I predicted – failed to answer my questions for you so again :
(1) Did you vote and argue AGAINST the ONLY ALTERNATIVE to Trump and his Fascism in the USA’s shitty, two-party system and therefore FOR Trump and his genocidal Fascism?
(2) Were you in the Abandon Biden-Harris and thereby support Trump group? Are you a Bothsiderist or Only-Unicorn-Will-Do-ist?
(3) Do you think it was worth destroying the world and the esp the USA as we know it putting Trump in charge with all the apocalyptic consequences just to punish Kamala and former President Biden for what Netanyahu did – which they actually opposed?
(Eg Climate action, Democracy, Trans rights, LGBTQUIA rights, Women’s Rights, SCOTUS, migrants rights vs ICE, all marginalised groups vs the White Christianist Supremacists, Putin’s genocidal invasion of Ukraine, the erosion of International Law, the far worse genocide in Gaza, the probable – quite possibly nuclear – genocide of Iran that’s likely to soon occur, the destruction of USAID, the return of deadly measles epidemics, the destruction of the USA’s public education system, ad nauseam.. The damage, pain, grief, suffering and loss of life done by those who prevented Kamala from becoming POTUS putting him in power instead is incalculable.)
4) Do you think that those who caused all that ^ should be allowed to get away without consequences and without criticism? That it should all just be memory-holed and forgotten?
5) Do you think they should be allowed to do that again in the future in the unlikely event that we see actual legitimate-ish elections in the USoA?
Direct, honest good faith answers please.
Doubt I’ll get them but prove me wrong.
If you are one of those who helped Trump by undermining Kamala then I’m very glad I annoy you and it’s the very least you deserve.
I hope you reflect on what you did, face it and rethink your views, apologise and NEVER repeat it and shift to opposing Bothsiderism, Only Unicornism & Political Reality Denialism and, from now, on vote Blue no matter who because look at the fucking alternative and where it has got the entire world now.
I will, of course, continue to do whatever little I can to make Bothsiderism, Only-Unicornism & Political Reality Denialism unacceptable here and elsewhere and ensure they are rejected, are seen as the catastrophic failures of intelligence, knowledge and ethics that they are and that their proponents such as the Trump helping troll “beholder” are held as accountable as I can possibly make them. Which may not be much, certainly isn’t enough but it is better than doing nothing and letting them do any further massive damage again.
The failure to do so in 2016 & 2000 after all led to what happened in 2024. We must collectively NEVER let that happen again and I wish more people would join me in making sure of that.
Fixed It for ya.
Now answer my questions if you can. Or disappear until you are completely forgotten again here I guess. Your choice.
@27 StevoR
Oh boy, Stevo…
No, they aren’t good reasons, you are just incapable of using a search engine and so you are exceptionally lazy at vetting commenters. I have no reason to create a sockpuppet to call you a dumbass. See? This account suffices.
Your questions are badly crafted and idiotic, that’s why no one answers them. StevoR, I double dog dare you to ask a question that fits inside a single sentence and that doesn’t assume the answer you want to hear over and over again in the middle of the question.
Stevo, these are a collection of sorry excuses that are meant to be deployed in October-November when voting starts. The entire conceit revolves around, “Yes, we rigged the primaries, we pulled away Charlie Brown’s football, but we realize we’re about to monumentally fuck up so could you please bail out our shitty decisionmaking here at Team D by voting for our questionably less evil candidate.” Using these talking points before the election season begins makes your sports team an accessory to the fascist takeover. Democrats apparently intend to take Charlie Brown’s football away. They intend to craft a single point of electoral failure. They intend to lose to a fascist again, and blame it on their base, again. You are actually helping to lower Dem turnout by deploying these talking points when they aren’t meant to be used. Think about that for a while.
Or don’t. I don’t expect any of this to penetrate your thought process, but I do have to say you’re slacking off. I expect to hear these tantrums of yours in every thread, not just the ones that nobody reads. It’s almost like you don’t care if I Vohbluenuhmannahwho next time. Put in the work, Stevo.