1. nomdeplume says

    I am really against this increasing trend, worldwide it seems, of selling non-domestic animals (snakes, marsupials, frogs, insects, fish, birds, spiders etc) as pets. This can and does cause environmental damage as animals are trapped (even the captive bred ones had to start somewhere), causes distress in the confined animals, and instils unhealthy attitudes to wildlife in the owners.

    But hey, probably just me, right?

  2. says

    These are not wild-caught spiders, but animals that have been bred in captivity. I’ve talked to the vendor about working together to breed more that ill be shared with the seller.

  3. raven says

    Greenbottle blue tarantula
    Critically Endangered (IUCN 3.1)

    Chromatopelma cyaneopubescens (Strand, 1907)
    Chromatopelma is a monotypic genus of South American tarantulas containing the single species, Chromatopelma cyaneopubescens.[1] Commonly known as greenbottle blue tarantulas due to their metallic blue legs and blue-green carapace, they are very active and fast-growing tarantulas that are particularly attractive to hobbyists. They are native to the Paraguaná Peninsula.[2]

    They live in webbed burrows under bushes and tree roots in desert areas of northern Venezuela.

    I had to look that one up.

    It is a colorful tarantula from Venezuela.
    Since it is critically endangered, captive bred populations provide a life boat for the species.

  4. hemidactylus says

    Though I’m fine with the tarantula, I’m concerned with the black widow. Years ago there was some show about deadly obsessions where an episode highlighted someone keeping snakes like mambas and did not end well. I trust your taking great care, but do be careful and meticulous. One memory that stands out from my experience in sea turtle biology is someone having brought a jarred black widow into our beach house. Previously during my vert zoo course with the professor a coral snake had been captured and brought back to our university in a van. Kinda scary. I later had a pet ribbon and speckled king I was not scared of. Said professor was nicknamed rattlesnake because reasons. Not my cup of tea.

  5. microraptor says

    @5: Are you talking about the Animal Planet show Fatal Attractions? That show was exploitative BS- they deliberately lied about some of the people they featured on the show, like portraying a herpetologist as simply being a deluded snake lover who didn’t understand that the animals she worked with were deadly monsters. It fabricated the “inner thoughts” of dead people in pretty much every episode in order to portray them as ignorant, foolish, and deserving of being killed.

  6. nomdeplume says

    @4 “captive bred populations provide a life boat for the species”. No, they really don’t. Stripped out of their habitat and niche, what is being “saved” except genetics? Zoos and captive breeding gives the illusion of conservation. The last Thylacine died in the Hobart Zoo.

  7. raven says

    No, they really don’t.

    It’s not the best situation but sometimes it is the only option a species has left.

    Przewalski’s Horse
    Przewalski’s Horse is the only truly wild horse species left in the world. It comes from the grasslands of Central Asia, but was once declared completely extinct in the wild.

    But Przewalski’s Horse has made an incredible comeback. Zoos have been working together to create a stable population across the world and now the Przewalski’s Horse is being slowly reintroduced to its natural habitat.

    The last Przewalski’s horse in the wild died long ago.

    Wikipedia: The reintroduced horses successfully reproduced, and the status of the animal was changed from “extinct in the wild” to “endangered” in 2005,[42] while on the IUCN Red List they were reclassified from “extinct in the wild” to “critically endangered” after a reassessment in 2008,[58] and from “critically endangered” to “endangered” after a 2011 reassessment.[54]

  8. raven says

    OT: While we are being all cheerful and optimistic, there has been another shooting in the USA.
    Why is this unusual? There is a shooting every few hours after all.

    A store owner was killed over a Pride flag she flew in front of her California business
    Associated Press Updated Sun, August 20, 2023 at 12:33 PM PDT·1 min read

    CEDAR GLEN, Calif. (AP) — A dispute over an LGBTQ+ pride flag at a California clothing store spiraled into deadly violence this weekend when a man shot and killed the 66-year-old business owner right in front of her shop, authorities said.

    The man ran away from the store after the shooting Friday night but was later found and killed in a confrontation with officers from the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department.

    This woman was killed by some creep for having a Pride flag outside. Which BTW, isn’t the least bit unusual in a lot of places including where I live. She wasn’t even gay herself.

    It does have a happy ending. He also decided to shoot it out with the cops.
    One less Trump voter.

    Lincoln County Oregon man charged with bias crime, assault after dispute with neighbor
    “They’re going to make you people and your daughter disappear,” Labrousse said to Lindberg, who is a transgender Vietnamese man.

    Another attack on a Trans person.

    This is happening a lot lately. Attacks on gay and Trans people from MAGAts.

  9. KG says

    The last Thylacine died in the Hobart Zoo. – nomdeplume@8

    That was well before zoos took on conservation aims – most went for a “one of everything we can get hold of” approach. I agree with raven here – breeding a critically endangered species in captivity is far from ideal, but better than letting it die out altogether.

  10. nomdeplume says

    @12 Hmmm. Or you could just keep DNA in a test tube – that is effectively what you are doing once tou have removed a species from its environment.

  11. microraptor says

    @13: Oh, so the reintroduction of Przewalski’s horses, scimitar oraxes, and Tasmanian devils to the wild from captive-bred animals could have been accomplished just by keeping a few test tubes of DNA? You’ve been reading too many stories about cloning mammoths.