“Framing”. Yep. That is also the first thing I think of when I see strippers.
Brain Hertzsays
Maybe I should try some of these techniques.
No offense, I mean, I’m sure you’re an attractive guy and everything, but maybe not?
bensays
I’m sure strip clubs are great fun if you like paying hundreds of dollars for sugary drinks and some lame-ass sexual role-play in a room full of sweaty, drunk men.
A “pNSFW” (perhaps not safe for work) label might have been appropriate there. Not that I mind, but some work colleagues might.
/bookmarks for later, at home
Ken Mareldsays
I suspect these same techniques work for male strippers when emptying the purses of their female clients.
RamblinDudesays
Very revealing! And the similarities to science (especially biology) are more than just skin deep. The next time you try to uncover the truth and expose the lies, by stripping away the non essentials and getting down to bare facts, you won’t be able to keep sexy, sexy strippers out of your mind. ;-)
Umm..PZ, I like you and all, but if you start whispering sweet nothings in my ear, I’m going to be concerned.
Of course, if you could get Jessica Alba or some such to say ‘Evolution is a…..(breathy pause)…FACT’ or something like that in a sibilant rasp, well, consider me framed.
And, for the record, Blake, I like the idea of Dr. Feynman being able to have a good laugh right now at our present follies. It reminds me of some legend, widely-circulated, highly doubtful, yet appealing. But that’s just me!…:)
I’m afraid you owe us all a shot of some Chippendale ass. Or maybe you could just avoid linking to this crap altogether?
woozysays
The sad thing is I think the guy is being sincere. (I really hate the sales culture)
I agree with him that strippers are great salespeople but disagree with his assumptions on why.
Strippers are successful in that they exploit people’s misery. They don’t make the customer feel good. They don’t make give the customer a great product etc. They make sure the customer feels desperate and miserable. That we the customer feels dang lucky to be allowed to pay dollars upon dollars for a few seconds view or twenty dollars for a lap dance. (Hell, for $20 bucks I could buy pot that would last a *lot* longer.) Depressed customers are the easiest customers. So if the customer isn’t depressed, make ’em depressed. Strippers and TV ads both know this.
DuWaynesays
Hmmm… What I am trying to figure out, is what your stripper name should be. . .
Paguroideasays
Sales Technique #10 – Branding
I don’t know any strippers that are named Ethel, Mildred or Agnus. Instead, you will get the pleasure to do business with Cookie, Destiny, Candy, or Raven.
It would be interesting to know what, if any, influence the name of a blogger could have on traffic. Would science bloggers with names of Cookie or Candy attract a lot of traffic?
woozysays
Hmmm… What I am trying to figure out, is what your stripper name should be. . .
woozy is my stripper name.
Anton Matessays
Strippers are successful in that they exploit people’s misery. They don’t make the customer feel good. They don’t make give the customer a great product etc. They make sure the customer feels desperate and miserable.
The strippers I’ve actually met seem to be interested in making the customer feel good, and the patrons I’ve met seem to come out happy, and the research of Katherine Frank and Jenny Heineman indicates that customer satisfaction’s pretty important. Frank in particular writes that strip club music, etc, is usually designed to evoke nostalgia; the customer wants to be taken back to an idealized adolescence so they can imagine they’re young and desirable again.
I’d probably feel desperate and miserable if I hung out alone in one for too long, but I don’t think that’s what they’re actually aiming for.
Dawnsays
I’m not a stripper, but I’ve seen them, both male and female. One of my roommates in college put herself through college by stripping. (Her parents refused to pay for college because as a girl she was just going to get married anyway…she owns her own computer consulting business and isn’t married yet) Realistically, it is a business; my friend said that they do get attached (friendly…get your mind out of the gutter) to their regulars, so repeat business is very important to them. You may not like what they do/sell, you may think it is exploitive. For some women, it’s just a job with great pay, decent hours and flexibility of work hours.
kmierssays
I know I am coming late to the party, but I have always felt that anti-prostitution (and stripping) laws were completely mysogenistic. If a man can rent out his body and the sweat of his brow to make a decent living, why can’t a woman? A woman posesses a few highly marketable items, and prostitution laws and the like are designed purely to keep the sheckels out of the hands of women so that they must remain reliant on men for food, shelter etc. It is OK for a bricklayer to sweat it up for this months rent, but god forbid a woman can afford to get her own place!! And thanks for the link, PZ. Many of us delicate flowers have a sense of humor, too!
Kerstinsays
I wonder how the guy came to the conclusion that stripping is not about that horny, dumb guys will pay for anything. Even smart, horny guys will do that. As long as you don’t actually give them any, because then they will lose interst faster than you can say “framing”!
Joesays
The whole thing was a great metaphor, very well put by whoever the wise camel is. Very smart indeed, smarter than PZ, in fact. We all know you posted this to cover up your homosexuality!
Hardy fuckin’ har.
“Framing”. Yep. That is also the first thing I think of when I see strippers.
No offense, I mean, I’m sure you’re an attractive guy and everything, but maybe not?
I’m sure strip clubs are great fun if you like paying hundreds of dollars for sugary drinks and some lame-ass sexual role-play in a room full of sweaty, drunk men.
A “pNSFW” (perhaps not safe for work) label might have been appropriate there. Not that I mind, but some work colleagues might.
/bookmarks for later, at home
I suspect these same techniques work for male strippers when emptying the purses of their female clients.
Very revealing! And the similarities to science (especially biology) are more than just skin deep. The next time you try to uncover the truth and expose the lies, by stripping away the non essentials and getting down to bare facts, you won’t be able to keep sexy, sexy strippers out of your mind. ;-)
Somewhere, on a distant Calabi-Yau manifold of which we know nothing, Richard Feynman is laughing.
yeah, that was pretty lame to send me over there with no warning. way to make female academics feel like part of the conversation.
Umm..PZ, I like you and all, but if you start whispering sweet nothings in my ear, I’m going to be concerned.
Of course, if you could get Jessica Alba or some such to say ‘Evolution is a…..(breathy pause)…FACT’ or something like that in a sibilant rasp, well, consider me framed.
And, for the record, Blake, I like the idea of Dr. Feynman being able to have a good laugh right now at our present follies. It reminds me of some legend, widely-circulated, highly doubtful, yet appealing. But that’s just me!…:)
Ben: You certainly do know a lot of the details…
I’m afraid you owe us all a shot of some Chippendale ass. Or maybe you could just avoid linking to this crap altogether?
The sad thing is I think the guy is being sincere. (I really hate the sales culture)
I agree with him that strippers are great salespeople but disagree with his assumptions on why.
Strippers are successful in that they exploit people’s misery. They don’t make the customer feel good. They don’t make give the customer a great product etc. They make sure the customer feels desperate and miserable. That we the customer feels dang lucky to be allowed to pay dollars upon dollars for a few seconds view or twenty dollars for a lap dance. (Hell, for $20 bucks I could buy pot that would last a *lot* longer.) Depressed customers are the easiest customers. So if the customer isn’t depressed, make ’em depressed. Strippers and TV ads both know this.
Hmmm… What I am trying to figure out, is what your stripper name should be. . .
It would be interesting to know what, if any, influence the name of a blogger could have on traffic. Would science bloggers with names of Cookie or Candy attract a lot of traffic?
woozy is my stripper name.
The strippers I’ve actually met seem to be interested in making the customer feel good, and the patrons I’ve met seem to come out happy, and the research of Katherine Frank and Jenny Heineman indicates that customer satisfaction’s pretty important. Frank in particular writes that strip club music, etc, is usually designed to evoke nostalgia; the customer wants to be taken back to an idealized adolescence so they can imagine they’re young and desirable again.
I’d probably feel desperate and miserable if I hung out alone in one for too long, but I don’t think that’s what they’re actually aiming for.
I’m not a stripper, but I’ve seen them, both male and female. One of my roommates in college put herself through college by stripping. (Her parents refused to pay for college because as a girl she was just going to get married anyway…she owns her own computer consulting business and isn’t married yet) Realistically, it is a business; my friend said that they do get attached (friendly…get your mind out of the gutter) to their regulars, so repeat business is very important to them. You may not like what they do/sell, you may think it is exploitive. For some women, it’s just a job with great pay, decent hours and flexibility of work hours.
I know I am coming late to the party, but I have always felt that anti-prostitution (and stripping) laws were completely mysogenistic. If a man can rent out his body and the sweat of his brow to make a decent living, why can’t a woman? A woman posesses a few highly marketable items, and prostitution laws and the like are designed purely to keep the sheckels out of the hands of women so that they must remain reliant on men for food, shelter etc. It is OK for a bricklayer to sweat it up for this months rent, but god forbid a woman can afford to get her own place!! And thanks for the link, PZ. Many of us delicate flowers have a sense of humor, too!
I wonder how the guy came to the conclusion that stripping is not about that horny, dumb guys will pay for anything. Even smart, horny guys will do that. As long as you don’t actually give them any, because then they will lose interst faster than you can say “framing”!
The whole thing was a great metaphor, very well put by whoever the wise camel is. Very smart indeed, smarter than PZ, in fact. We all know you posted this to cover up your homosexuality!