The difference between pre-Islamic Ramadan and Islamic Ramadan is that pre-Islamic Ramadan was practiced by pagan tribes in Arabia and Islamic Ramadan is practiced by Muslims all over the world. During Ramadan pagan Arabs used to abstain from food, water, sexual contact etc. Muslims practice the same pagan rituals during Ramadan. It is a well-known fact that Islam adapted this pagan practice of fasting. There is a Hadith in Sahih Bukhari that mentions the ritual.
Bukhari 5:58:172 – Narrated Aisha: ‘Ashura was a day on which the tribe of Quraish used to fast in the pre-lslamic period of ignorance. The Prophet also used to fast on this day. So when he migrated to Medina, he fasted on it and ordered (the Muslims) to fast on it. When the fasting of Ramadan was enjoined, it became optional for the people to fast or not to fast on the day of Ashura.’
The fasting for Ashura (10th of Muharram) originated from a Quraish pagan practice. Ramadan fasting came later from Sabian tradition. Sabians are mentioned in several verses of the Quran [al-Baqarah 2:62], [al-Hajj 22:17], [al-Maa’idah 5:69] along with Christians and Jewish. Sabians, a non-Muslim Iraqi tribe, believed in monotheism, observed a 30 day fast every year and prayed 5 times a day.
Not only Ramadan fasting but other Pagan rituals were also adapted by Islam. The Ka’aba in Mecca was a centre of idol-worship. 360 idols were kept in the Ka’aba. According to Hadith Bukhari 3:43:658 Narrated Abdullah bin Masud: The Prophet entered Mecca and (at that time) there were three hundred-and-sixty idols around the Ka’aba. He started stabbing the idols with a stick he had in his hand and reciting: “Truth (Islam) has come and Falsehood (disbelief) has vanished.”
The Black-stone or al-Ḥajar al-Aswad of the Ka’aba became the central shrine object in Islam. It was one of the many stones and idols venerated by pre-Islamic pagans. The Black Stone was kissed by people during pre-Islamic pagan worship. Muhammad did not completely abolish idolatry; he kept the Black Stone and allowed people to continue the practice of kissing it. It is the same pre-Islamic pagan stone that Muslims kiss today during Hajj and Umrah. The Islamic historians believe that the black stone was a pagan deity called ‘Al-Lat’, one of the three daughters of Allah, the pagan moon-god. She was once venerated as a cubic rock at Ta’if in Arabia. Hisham ibn-Al-Kalbi (819 CE) in his ‘The Book of Idols’ wrote that ‘Al-lat stood in al-Ta’if, and was more recent than Manah. She was a cubic rock beside which a certain Jew used to prepare his barley porridge (sawiq). Her custody was in the hands of the banu-‘Attab ibn-Malik of the Thayif, who had built an edifice over her. […]She is the idol which God mentioned when He said, “Have you seen al-lat and al-Uzza?” (Surah 53:19)
Muslims in the 21st century believe that the Black Stone fell from the heaven during the era of Adam and Eve. They also believe that the stone was originally white but it turned black after absorbing human sins.
Pre-Islamic pagans prayed five times a day facing Mecca. Persian Zoroastrian tribes prayed five times a day too, in the direction of the Sun or fire temple. Before prayers Zoroastrians cleaned themselves or practiced ablution. Ablution and the five prayers are not something Islam invented. The Hadith [Sahih Bukhari Book 8, no. 345] tells us that when Muhammad met Allah in heaven, Allah demanded 50 prayers per day. But with the help of Moses, Muhammad bargained with Allah and finally he was successful in reducing it from 50 to 5 prayers per day. Even the Quran (4:28) says, ‘God wishes to lighten your burden, for the human being is created weak’.
During Hajj, Muslims walk between two mountains seven times. It is also a pre-Islamic practice. Let’s see what the Quran and the Hadith say about this special walk.
Hadith Bukhari. Volume 2, Book 26, Number 710, narrated Asim: ‘I asked Anas bin Malik: “Did you dislike to perform Tawaf between mountain Al-Safa and mountain Al-Marwa?” He said, “Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: “Verily! Al-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the rites (or symbols) of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka’ba, or performs ‘Umrah, to perform Tawaf between them.”’ (Quran 2.158)
Many non-Islamic Pagan rituals are now known as Islamic rituals. The pagan crescent moon, the symbol of the moon god, circumambulation, Ihram etc. were taken or stolen by Islam. Muslims now begin their Ramadan fasting after seeing a crescent moon in the sky. Ramadan is a sort of a month-long food festival for Muslims. It is supposed to be a month of sacrifice and Muslims are expected to eat less. But in reality Muslims eat more in Ramadan than any other month. Some people call Ramadan the holy month of feasting instead of the holy month of fasting. That makes more sense.
There are some unscientific, nonsense verses in the Quran about Ramadan.
Quran.Sura 2:187: “Eat and drink until white thread of dawn appears to you and then complete your fast till the night appears.”
Quran.Sura 18:83-86:“Zulkharnain reached the setting place of the sun. He saw that it set in a pool of black muddy water.”
Quran.Sura 67:3-5; 37:6-9: “We created 7 heavens one above the other and decorated the lowest heaven with lamps – The Stars. We made such lamps as missiles to drive away Satan, who try to listen the conversation of the higher group — i.e., Conversation between Allah and his angels.”
There are many Hadith on Ramadan too. The most interesting ones are the ones about Muhammad kissing his wives and the way he permitted old men to embrace their young wives but prevented young men from embracing their young wives. Needless to say, Muhammad was old.
Hadith. Bukhari, Vol.3:149, narrated Aisha, ‘Muhammad used to kiss and embrace his wives while he was fasting and he had more power to control his desires than any of you.’
Hadith.Bukhari, Vol.3:151, narrated Zainab (daughter of Umme Salma) that her mother said, ‘The prophet and I used to take a bath from one water pot and he used to kiss me while he was fasting.’
Hadith. Book 13, No.2381, narrated Abu Hurayrah: A man asked Muhammad whether one who was fasting could embrace his wife and he gave him permission; but when another man came to him, and asked him, he forbade him. The one to whom he gave permission was an old man and the one whom he forbade was a youth.
Hadith. Book 13, No. 2380, narrated Aisha: Prophet Muhammad used to kiss her and suck on her tongue, while he was fasting.
Glad to hear that Jews & Christians aren’t the only Abrahamic religions to have stolen from pagans.
LOL Wicca was created in 1954 and stole plenty of things from Christianity and Judaism. People abandoned the Pagan religions because they had outgrown them.
you wish
It is it was to celebrate the god rama the compassionate who was said to either have come to earth during the time of Ramadan of have had some cultic story associated with him.
Amen!
Islam is not Abrahamic as Islam does not follow the Hebrew Scriptures.
I totally agree Nick. Islam is a geopolitical ideology. It is not a religion.
Nick & Mischal….. who told u that ISLAM is not the religion of IBRAHEEM (A.S) and what do u both know about IBRAHEEM (A.S), if u guys want to read and want to learn about IBRAHEEM (A.S) read QURAN read islam… & what do u both know about Christianity?? what u both know about bible… what do u both know about Scriptures?? Hebrew Greek or Aramaic?? do u guys even know what was the original language of bible??? they say never argue with an illiterate person or they will drag u down to there level and then beat you with there words.. so u both to me are Illiterates 2 big illiterates… go get some knowledge u 2 fools illiterates…
Just because the Quran claims Islam to be Arbahamic doesn’t make it so. Islam stole all of its beliefs from Judeo-Christianity and ancient polytheism. I’m a catholic Christian so if you wanna try debate Scripture with me, find me on Facebook.
“they say never argue with an illiterate person or they will drag u down to there level and then beat you with there words.. so u both to me are Illiterates 2 big illiterates… go get some knowledge u 2 fools illiterates…”
Mohammad was illiterate, and now I know why you are you.
Sarfraz – “they say never argue with an illiterate person or they will drag u down to there level and then beat you with there words.. so u both to me are Illiterates 2 big illiterates… go get some knowledge u 2 fools illiterates…”
Mohammad was illiterate, and now I know why you are you.
if you are sure about your faith, answer me the following, then I will give you Bonus Question also:
1. Muslims claim, that a proof the Koran was from God, is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology before man discovered it for himself. However, all the information in the Koran regarding Embryology is copied from three sources:
(1). A Greek doctor named Galen, who lived of 150 AD.
(2). A Jewish doctor named Samuel ha-Yehudi who lived 150 AD.
(3). The Greek father of medicine Hippocrates who lived 400 BC.
My question is: in light of the fact that all the information contained in the Koran was already in print by these three doctors, will you retract the argument on Embryology? If not, will you supply one detail revealed in the Koran about Embryology, that was not already revealed or that was new?
2. Muslims claim, that a proof that the Koran was from God is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology, yet in 86:6-7 the Koran says, “Man was created from ejected liquid- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs”. This echoes the scientific error of Hippocrates who believed semen originates, from the brain down the spinal cord, before passing through the kidneys and finally out of the body. (Hippocratic Writings, Penguin Classics, 1983, p. 317)
My question is: do you reject modern science and believe the Koran when it says sperm originates from the mid-gut section of a man’s body.
3. Muslims quote an article written in 1957 by the Jehovah’s Witnesses who stated there were 50,000 errors in the translation of the King James Version.
My question is: Even if this were true, (which of course it is not), how does this prove there is corruption in the original Greek MSS from which the King James Version was translated?
4. Muslims claim, that the many different translations of the English Bible will render a single text with many different words and phrases. You said this was proof the Bible is corrupted and that the Koran reads exactly the same way everywhere in the world in Arabic.
My question is: Since the many English translations of the Koran also render a single text with many different words, does that proof that the Koran is corrupted?
5. Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said “Eli Eli lama sabachthani”, but you say Jesus really cried out to Allah and said “Allah, Allah lama sabachthani”
My question is: Would you please explain why you would use this argument when you don’t believe Jesus ever hung on the cross? And second, since Jesus was quoting Ps 22:1 on the cross, isn’t rather unlikely that both the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament are wrong using Eli, a Hebrew word, rather than Allah, an Arab word?
6. Muslims chide Christians because the earliest complete copies of the Bible were written 300 years after the originals of the first century. Yet Muslim scholars state the earliest copy of the Koran was written no earlier than 150 years after Muhammad died.
My question is: in light of this fact, how could the Koran possibly be better than the Bible and would you please state the name and location and date of the earliest Koran you believe to be in existence?
7. Both the Samarqand MSS is in Tashkent, and the MSS housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul are written in the script style called “Kufic”. And not the earlier style known as Ma’il or Mashq. This fact is the reason Muslim scholars date these manuscripts no earlier than 200 years after Muhammad died.
My question is: leaving aside blind faith and wishful thinking, what evidence do you supply that these MSS were written any earlier?
8. The British Museum in London has an ancient copy of the Koran written in the Ma’il style of script, but practicing Muslim scholar Martin Lings, who is the former curator for the manuscripts of the British Museum, dates this manuscript at 790 AD.
My question is: Apart from just making the claim, what evidence do you supply that this MSS were written any earlier?
9. The text of the Koran in 37:103 reads “they had both submitted their wills (became Muslims)” while the Arabic text of the Tashkent MSS gives the exact opposite meaning, “They did not submitted their wills” (they did NOT become Muslims.)
My question is: have you actually read the Tashkent MSS for yourself in this passage and how do you explain this textual variation given your comments on the miracle of the perfect Koran?
10. Qur’an 18:9, makes into real history, the second century myth of 7 Christian youths who were persecuted for their faith and went to sleep in a cave for 300 years and then woke up with no ill effects. In the original myth the hero is a Christian, but in the Koran the hero is a Muslim.
My question is: in the absence of any copyright laws when the Koran was written, are you at least prepared to pay compensation to the living relatives of the author of this myth? If not, would you be in favor of going starting up a charity fund to compensate for damages of copyright infringement?
11. Koran 5:116, represents Christians as worshipping Mary which is a historical error. Given the fact that the pagan Arabs did worship Mary’s idol in the Kaba, and that history records no group of Christians had ever worshiped Mary at this time,
My question is would you please name the sect of Christians who worshiped Mary at the time of Muhammad?
12. Muslim’s reject the doctrine of inherited sin of Adam but teach the Immaculate Conception of Mary. The reason the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was invented was to remove inherited sin.
My question is: since you reject the doctrine of inherited sin and believe all men are born without sin, why do Muslim’s teach the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of Mary?
13. In Koran 7:125, death by crucifixion is stated to exist at the time of Moses in 1500BC. Yet Encyclopedia Britannica, in harmony with all records of history, reports that crucifixion did not exist any earlier than 500 BC.
My question is: to how do you explain this blaring historical error, and do you just disregard the history of the world merely because the Karen says otherwise?
14. Muslim scholar, Tabbarah, said in his book, The Spirit of Islam, “Moslems do not worship the Black Stone, but only show special reverence and veneration for its dignity and they kiss it only after the example of the Prophet and to keep their Covenant with God to obey His Will and avoid His disobedience.” (Tabbarah, The Spirit of Islam, p. 173, Muslim). Focusing on Tabbarah’s key phrase of showing reverence and veneration to the Black Stone,
My question is do you see any difference between the Muslim practice of kissing showing reverence and venerating the Black Stone and the Catholic practice of pope John Paul II kissing the statute of the Virgin Mary with reverence and veneration?
15. Informed Christians know there is no passage and the Koran that says the Bible is lost altered or corrupted.
My question is would you please list all the passages you know where the Qur’an says the Bible that was in the hands of the Christians at the time of Muhammad had been corrupted?
16. Muslims will quote Quran 2:79 as a verse where the Koran says the canon of the Bible is corrupted, “Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: “This is from God,” to traffic with it for miserable price!”
My question is: If this verse refers to the corruption of the Bible, then why did Muhammad command Christians to follow the Bible they possessed in 600 AD in Quran 2:89; 7:157? And is this the only verse in the Koran that says the Bible is corrupt? (see also Quran 2:40-42,126,136,285; 3:3,71,93; 4:47,136; 5:47-51, 69,71-72; 6:91; 10:37,94; 21:7; 29:45,46; 35:31; 46:11)
17. Muslims will quote Jer 8:8 as proof that the Old Testament canon is corrupt, “How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie” Yet this verse is clearly speaking of the written scribal interpretations of the Bible as Jesus condemned in Mt 15:1-14. Here Jesus accused the Scribes of the same thing regarding washing of hands and Corban, “you invalidate the written word of God for the sake of your tradition.”
My question is: is this the only text in the Bible where you claim the canon was corrupted? If not quote the other texts.
18. How can Muslims claim there are no textual variations in the Koran, when the Tashkent MSS differs from the modern Egyptian Qur’an in 5 passages: 2:284, 2:283, 3:37, 3:109 and 5:119. The Tashkent MSS uses the word ‘Allah’ while the modern Egyptian Qur’an, uses the word ‘huwa’ (the pronoun ‘he’).
My question is: Which word do you believe are in the “preserved master tablet” and “mother of all books” in heaven?
19. The yearly Passover ritual began the same year it was initiated in the 10th plague and continued uninterrupted for 1500 years. The weekly Lord’s supper ritual began the same week that Christ was crucified and has continued ever since for 2000 years. The Islamic rituals just come out of nowhere, 2600 years after Abraham lived. Being as unbiased as you possibly can,
My question is: are not the Jewish and Christian rituals more likely to be based on real history since the rituals of Islam that just pop out of nowhere 2600 years later?
20. The “Throw” is a reenactment ritual based upon Abraham and the “Run” is a reenactment ritual based upon Hagar.
My question is: Did Adam perform the throw and the Run, and if not exactly when did they become part of Islamic ritual and do you have any actual historical evidence to support such?
21. Given the fact that Isaac Watt, said in his book, Islam and Christianity Today, “By the standards of modern historiography, the crucifixion of Jesus is one of the most certain events in past history” (Watt, Islam and Christianity Today, p. 144).
My question is: What historical evidence do you give outside of the Qur’an that Jesus did not die on the cross?
22. If all Muslim’s must reject the crucifixion of Christ based on the Koran and all Christians must reject Muhammad as a prophet based on the Bible,
My question is: on exactly what basis do you believe Christianity and Islam are compatible religions?
23. Given the fact that the gospel of Barnabas is the 15th century forgery by Muslims,
My question is: why do you quote this document as proof that early Christians denied the crucifixion of Christ and what proof do you offer that it is not a Muslim forgery?
24. Muslim’s will quote Yusuf Ali’s comment in footnote 663, as proof that the three early Christian sects of Marcion, Docetism, Basilides, denied the crucifixion of Christ. Given the fact the three sects are condemned as false teachers, deceivers and the anti-Christ in six Bible passages (1 John 1:1,14; 2:22; 4:1-3; 5:6; 2 John 7)
My question is: on what basis do you claim they are Christian sects and isn’t it as much of a misrepresentation for you to quote these Gnostic sects as Christians who deny the crucifixion, as it would be a misrepresentation for Christians to quote the Baha’i faith as proof Muhammad was not the final Prophet? (The holy Qur’an, text, translation and commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. 1872-1952, First published in 1938, 1973 ed., p. 230, footnote 663, commenting on 4:157)
25. The Koran says in 4:157, that God causes someone who looked like Jesus to die on the cross in his place; therefore tricking the apostles of Christ into thinking he was crucified.
My question is: how can you escape the fact that the rise of Christianity to the largest religion in the world is ultimately the result of the divine action of God (for you it is Allah)?
26. The deity of Jesus is affirmed four times in Hebrews chapter 1. Jesus Christ is called the son of God, worshiped by Angels, called God by the Father and stated to be the creator. Given the fact that you would say that this is a textual corruption of the original gospel message,
My question is would you not agree that this corrupted text does indeed call Jesus God?
27. The Islamic religion teaches that Jesus Christ was a practicing Muslim.
My question is: is this any less ridiculous than if Christians said Muhammad was a practicing Buddhist?
28. Muslim’s claim that Isaiah 42 is a prophecy of Muhammad. Yet Isaiah 53 is one of the foremost prophecies of the crucifixion of Christ in the entire Old Testament.
My question (1) is: on what basis do you feel Isaiah 42 is uncorrupted which prophecies Muhammad, but Isaiah 53 is corrupted that prophesies the crucifixion of Christ?
My question (2) is: If you feel the Bible is so corrupted, than why do you quote Deut 18:18 and John 16:13 as uncorrupted prophecies of Muhammad’s comment in the sixth century AD.
29. Acts 19:23-41 mentions a religion that worshipped the great goddess Artemis and her meteorite which fell down from heaven. Taking note that this religion centered around a meteorite,
My question is: is it possible that this is a pagan corruption of the Black Stone and meteorite that fell at the foot of Adam and that at the time of Christ the Black Stone was actually in Ephesus Asia Minor?
30. Galatians 1:6-9 Apostle Paul says “I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Christ for a different religion. But even if an angel from heaven should preach to you a different religion, let him be accursed.”
My question is: Do you think it possible that this is a genuine text from God and he foresaw that both Muhammad and Joseph Smith would be taught a new religion by an angel?
31. Before the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls in 1947 the earliest copy of the Old Testament was the Massoretic Text dated at 1000 AD. The dead sea scrolls are dated at 100 B.C. contain 19 copies of Isaiah, 25 copies of Deuteronomy and 30 copies of Psalms that are virtually identical to what we have in our Bible’s today.
My question is: since you believe the Old Testament was corrupted long before the Dead Sea scrolls were written in 100 B.C., will you at least admit that there has been no further corruption of the Old Testament since 100 B.C. right down to the present?
32. In Jude 3; 2 Peter 1:3; John 16:13 and 2 Tim 3:16 the Bible is called an all sufficient book with no need for anything else in regards to how we live our lives or worship God. You claim the same thing for the Qur’an.
My question is: how can the Qur’an be all sufficient in our worship of Allah, if it does not even mention something as important as praying five times a day and does this not prove that the Koran without the Hadith is like a car without an engine?
33. The Huleatt Manuscript was written in 50 AD and is actually a prayer addressed to Jesus and calls Jesus “God”. Therefore, Christians have in their possession archeological inscriptions within 20 years of Christ’s resurrection that say he is God.
My question is: Do you know of any archeological inscription dated within 100 years of Muhammad’s death where he is called a prophet? If so, please name it.
34. The Bible contains over 60 distinct prophecies of Jesus Christ 1000 years before hand.
My question is: what is the single most remarkable prophecy that Muhammad made that was fulfilled?
35. Muslim’s believe the Bible is corrupted. Yet in Isa 40:22 and three other passages. (Prov 8:27; Amos 9:6 Job 26:10) it says the earth is round and not flat. Job 26:7 says the earth is free-floating in space: “he hangs the earth on nothing.” Both these facts are scientifically accurate, and revealed in the Bible long before man discovered it for himself.
My question is: Are these passages scientifically accurate corruptions?
36. Muslims proudly quote several passages in the Koran 30:48; 24:43, as scientifically accurate explanations of the hydrologic water cycle.
My question is: given the fact the Bible had already fully documented the hydrologic water cycle 1600 before the Koran in Job 36:27-28, and 3 other passages (Eccl 11:3; Job 26:8; Eccl 1:6-7), doesn’t this proof Muhammad merely copied the scientific facts of the hydrologic water cycle directly from the Bible? (Clouds hold water: Eccl 11:3; Job 26:8; Rivers recycle water: Eccl 1:6-7; Evaporation: Amos 9:6)
37. The 66 books of the Bible were written by 40 different men over a period of 1600 years with multiple threads of unified themes that span cover to cover.
My question is: would you not agree that in contrast to the Bible, that the Qur’an is a jumble of disjointed material, without order, continuity or unity of any kind?
38. Muslims authorities refuse to release photographs of the ancient Topkapi manuscript in Istanbul, one of the three oldest Korans in existence.
My question is: do you have any idea why Muslim authorities refuse to release documentary photographs of the Topkapi manuscript in Istanbul and what they are afraid for the world to see?
39. Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Muslim women have more rights in Islam then Western women do in Canada and the USA. The proof you supplied with the fact that Islam gave women the right to vote 1400 years ago but women in the West only got the right to vote 100 years ago.
My question is: would you please name one country in the world today that is ruled by a Islamic “Shariah” law where women are permitted to vote?
40. Muslim’s claim that their growth rate is 235 percent and 47 percent for Christianity. This statistic came from the Readers Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983, and represents 235 percent increase over 50 years. A simple review of the readers Digest study shows that the growth rate of Islam vs. Christianity is directly linked to the birth rate in Third World countries where Islam dominates and not actual conversions to each religion.
My question is: do you have any more recent statistics on an annualized basis?
41. Muslims claim that Jesus prayed using the Muslim prayer posture, along with all the prophets. Yet Jesus instructed his disciples to pray while standing up. (Mark 11:25), King David prayed while sitting in (2 Sam 7:18), and Paul instructed prayer in church with hands lifted up in the air. (1 Tim 2:8)
My question is: If Jesus was a Muslim, why would he instruct his disciples to pray standing up? And when it says Jesus fell on his face and prayed, how do you know he was not fully prostrate?
42. Muslims claim that Muhammad always worshipped Allah in a 100% correct way, without the need for any restoral.
My question is: If this is true, then why did Muhammad pray towards Jerusalem for the first 5 years of his prophet hood, and later redirected his prays towards Mecca? And did Jesus pray towards Mecca 5 times a towards Jerusalem or Mecca?
43. The Bible defines a miracle as something that defies the laws of nature. Muslims claim the Koran is a miracle merely because it was allegedly transmitted perfectly without alteration and flaw till the second coming. Since the Harry Potter books will certainly be transmitted perfectly without alteration or flaw, and be around until the second coming,
My question is: does this make the Harry Potter books a miracle like the Koran?
44. Muslims claim that in Isa 42:1 Muhammad fulfilled the expression “bring forth justice to the nations” indicating that the immoral pagan Arabs before Muhammad’s time were reformed into a just moral society.
My question is: Even though you believe the New Testament is corrupt, had the Immoral Pagan Arabs all become Christians and followed the moral standards revealed in the corrupted New Testament, would they not have also transformed into a just moral society? If no, why not? And how is the moral standard in the Koran superior to the moral standard of the Bible?
45. Muslims claim that the Angel Gabriel is the Holy Spirit who came upon Mary and caused her to conceive based upon Luke 1:26:38.
My question is: If this is true, then why did Gabriel say to Mary in verse 35, “the power of the Holy Spirit will come upon you” rather than “my power will come upon you”?
46. Muslims quote Luke 22:43 as proof that when Jesus cried out to God not to be crucified, that an angel came and saved him from crucifixion. However the next verses says that Jesus was arrested by the mob for crucifixion.
My Question is: on what basis do you accept the first passage as uncorrupted scripture, but reject the next verse as corrupted scripture?
47. Muslims claim it was medically impossible for blood and water to come out of Jesus when his side was pierced with spear because all the blood in Jesus body would have been clotted. The universal opinion of forensic scientists says that blood takes days to clot.
My question is: Is this another example of where you reject all known science simply because Islam says this?
48. Muslims quote liberal agnostic Bible trashes who claim that the four gospels were copied from a lost original gospel known as the “Q document”. This is a mythological document invented by these skeptics who reject Christianity, because they simply cannot accept the Bible is a book inspired from God.
My question is: are you aware that the “Q Document” is a purely theoretical document that has never been found and is a complete fabrication and invention of the mind? And what is the value of quoting those who reject Christianity and Islam equally?
49. Muslims claim that the heading at the beginning of the four gospels “Gospel according to John”, for example indicated the words came from John alone and prove the Bible to be a book of human authorship? In fact, that this text, like chapter and verse numbers, was added much later and are not part of the Bible?
My question is: where did you learn that this text was part of the Bible?
50. Muslims state that they believe that the Bible is a book filled with pornography, and quoted Gen 19:32 where Lot made his two daughters pregnant.
My Question is: Do you feel that the Bible should be removed from every library in Canada? And are you comfortable with the fact that your prophet Muhammad married a six year old child, when he was 55 years old? Do you think this is a good story to tell children?
51. Muslims teach Muhammad was sinless. However the Koran specifically limits the number of wives a Muslim man can marry to 4. Yet Muhammad married at least 12 women.
My question is: Is Muhammad above the very law he gave in the Koran and isn’t the definition of sin violating the law of God?
52. Muslims quote George Bernard Shaw who said, “The Bible is the most dangerous book in the world, keep it lock and keyed.”
My question is: What value is there for you to quote an atheist like Shaw who also said: “There is not one single established religion that an intelligent, educated man can believe.” (George Bernard Shaw quoted in “2000 Years of Disbelief, Famous People with the Courage to Doubt”, by James A. Haught, Prometheus Books, 1996) Shaw also said: “The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality. (George Bernard Shaw, Androcles and the Lion, Preface, 1916)
53. To prove the Bible text is corrupted, Muslims quote a newspaper article in the “Daily News” of Durban South Africa, Tues. May 22, 1990, where you claimed the Church of Scotland had deleted the virgin birth from the Bible. The article actually said that the church of Scotland had merely deleted the teaching from their local church creed and statement of faith.
My question is: Would you please explain how a church deleting the virgin birth from their church doctrine books, in any way proves the Bible is corrupted?
54. Muslims quote Isa 42 as a prophecy of Muhammad and say that Christians teach it is a prophecy of the Holy Spirit. (In fact Christians apply the text to Christ.) You also said that Isa 42 can only be fulfilled by Muhammad because Jesus is never called “my servant”.
My question is: why did Matthew quote Isa 42 and apply the whole text to Jesus in Matthew 12:18?
55. Muslims claim that the prophecy of the coming prophet in Deut 18:18 cannot be fulfilled by Jesus but could be fulfilled by Muhammad because the text says the prophet must arise from among their own brethren. Muslims say that if a Hebrew was intended, that the Bible would have said, “from among yourselves” rather than the expression “from among their own brethren”. Hence Muslims claim the expression, “from among their own brethren” excludes all Hebrews and specifically Jesus.
My question is: Since Deut 17:15 uses exactly the same expression, when it said, “you shall surely set a king over you whom the Lord your God chooses, one from among your own brethren” why did God appoint Saul and David as King and not an Ishmaelite? And in Deut 18:2 it says, “The Levites shall have no inheritance from among their brethren.” Did the Ishmaelite share the inheritance of the promised land of Palestine with the Hebrews?
56. The Koran says in 4:157, that God causes someone who looked like Jesus to die on the cross in his place; therefore tricking the apostles of Christ into thinking he was crucified. Apostle John wrote in1 John 1:1 concerning the crucifixion: “What we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life”.
My question is: Was not John accurately reporting the things he actually saw, things that God (for you it is Allah) made appear to happen?
57. Muslims claim that the New Testament story of Jesus dying on the cross is a corruption of the truth and that Allah made it appear that Jesus died on the cross, as per Q4:157.
My question is: How can Muslims claim that they believe any of the New Testament was originally revealed by God, since the corruption must have begun at the cross.
58. Muslims believe that the whole concept of blood atonement is an invention of the Christian church.
My question is: What were the Jews doing since 1500 BC on the “day of atonement”.
59. Muslims reject the gospel story of Jesus being a substitute for our sins, the just for the unjust. They use the illustration of a man having to pay for a speeding ticket he did not commit.
My question is: How do you explain that in the Muslim view of the cross, someone completely innocent died in Jesus place, after God made him appear to be Jesus? Was not this a Substitute sacrifice?
Dear all,
I Quran, Islam, and Mohammed all fake. Ramadan is a copy of pagan fasting. Now, tell me what difference it makes, the Machine which runs in the during the day, shifted to run in the night? Ramadan is like that, instead of eating during the day, they eat in plenty.
Their Prophet can have 13 wives (including 1 child, son’s wife) and plenty of sex slaves. But for poor Muslims on 4 wives!!
Muslim men allowed to have 4 wives, but women cannot have 4 husbands!
strange law!!
If you read the Bible stories about Abraham you will see that he never went anywhere near Mecca.
Yet how many Muslims really know the Quran? Indeed how many even know Arabic? Are you aware of all the tales in the Quran that were borrowed from pre-Islamic, apocryphal Christian literature? Probably not. Be careful who you call ignorant, because in your case I think it’s the person staring back at you in the mirror.
Why we belive quran
Muslim says it,s word of allah but allah not talk with mohmad directly like moose one who come to say that its allah word may be he is shaitan who come in the face of farista
Ibrahim wasn’t Muslim. Neither was Adam nor the rest of the prophets except Muhammed.
They never used Allah in their prayers as the were Jews.
Abdullah the father of Mohammed wasn’t Muslim and yet he was servant of Al illah(the God) he was a pagan quraish same as his son Muhammad.
If the al Hajar al aswad came from heaven, why didn’t Isa go to the Kaabah and kiss the stone just as The lover of Allah did..
How sure are you it was Jibril that appeared at Hira? Even Mohamed didn’t know.. but his wife’s cousin or brother that said it was Gabriel as he was a Christian.. Quraish didn’t even know Jibril..
How sure of you it wasn’t the Brightest of stars, the son of the morning.. ?
And Muhammad is not mentioned in the bible in Songs of Solomon ..
The verse Muslims claim mentions Muhammad because it’s “Muhamaddim. As pronounced by Muslim whose writings done even look Hebrew. Based on pronunciation by Jewish, it’s Mehmadim.. meaning something else.
The verse is about a man and a woman give praises to each other bit interpreted by Muslims as God telling the world about his friend and lover the paedophile.
islam is the complete religion a way of life
Sorry Zamin
It is a good thought to keep you happy.
Sorry Zamin!! it is a good way of consoling yourself.
its from the same source—its Abrahamic….like it or not.you are all brothers…heeeeehaaaaa
satyananda, probably you don’t understand what is Abrahamic. There is no prove that Mohammad or his tribe coming from that genealogy. Even if so, they were not included as part of the Abrahamic promises and blessings, they were not in line. They were left out, and rejected.
that’s non sense Quran says ‘ We have our religion and you have yours’. So, If you think that you r civilized and respecting human rights and yr religion is the right one. Its okey we rational muslims we dont care abt ur beliefs cuz uts sth personal. We dont have to judge others based on their way of life. this is islam. This is what prophet mohammed ordered us to do. Besides, who told u that the whole pagan’s lifr style was wrong. The prophet Muhamed Peace be upon him said ‘ Islam came to complete good manners’ notice: not change it or destroy it but complete it.
Mohammad claimed to be a descendent of Abraham to try to legitimize his teachings because he took many of his ideas from the Jews. Many scholars even try to say that Islam is an Abrahamic religion but this is false…. it was merely a claim by Mohammad to give a bit of historic substance to his own ideas.
The Jewish tribes accepted Mohammad in Medina when he was pushed out by his own people from Mecca. Later he killed them and spoke against them because he did not want people to find out where he got his Sharia ideas.
The God of Abraham is called Jahweh (Jehovah in English) and is mentioned several times in the Bible that Abraham prayed to the true God whose name is Jahweh. (Ex 3:15) This God also revealed himself to Moses and Israel as a god of action when they were led out of Egypt. So who was Allah? He was the god of the tribe which Mohammad came from. In Mohammad’s time there were about 360 Gods in the Kaaba… Mohammad said they must only serve one God (like the Jews) and destroyed the other gods.
Jesus has an unbroken family line of 4025 years. His family line is given in 2 places in the Bible to prove that he is the true messenger from the true God Jahweh from the line of Abraham and David… the legitimate ruler who will rule of the government of God in future.. Jesus’ family line mentions Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and David to prove that he is the one whom God predicted would come to rule. Mohammad has no family line from Abraham even though he claimed to come from the salve girl Hagar.
Abraham had 2 legitimate wives.. Sarah and Keturah (who had 6 sons – from who the Arabs descended). None of the other 6 sons inherited the right for Jesus to come from their line – only Isaac did. Isaac was the first born from the first legitimate wife. Mohammad has no family line to prove that he came from Abraham and he therefore is not the true messenger from the true God.
Another point: Israel as a nation prayed to Jahweh and Jesus also taught this name of god to his followers…. so these 2 religions can be called Abrahamic. Mohammad taught the name of God to be Allah….and kept many of the ancient rituals which were part of the pagan worship such as Ramadan – so Islam is not at all an Abrahamic religion both from family line and the name of the god that was served. Yes – Mohammad took some of the Sharia ideas from the Jews but this does not make it an Abrahamic religion.
There are so many versions of the Bible that one is confused what is true. Whereas not a word of Qoran has changed over centuries. What you follow now is Pauline Christianity. A corrupted version of Jesus’s original teachings where He preserved all the Jewish religion whereas you eat unclean animal’s like swine and worship images of Mother Mary and Jesus. And the Armaic name for God is Eloi. Which is a version of elahi and Allah it’s Arabic form/derivative.
Yes keep on with your dissagreements. You muslims and christians. You all believe in fables written by men. And through this lies and deceit, lots of innocent human beings were killed, especially by the christian crusaders. So all you christians and muslims and jews, do proper research and see how distorted your histories are, according to your believes. Do you ever give it a thought, that all of you believe you are right, and the other one is wrong. How pathetic and gullible all of you are. You know what, moses, jesus, mohamad, and myself went to heaven last night, and guess who wad the master of ceremony at the ball, gods best friend, mr satan himself. You are all welcome for the next t.rip
The Koran is a rehash of the Jewish Torah and embellished with the customs and practices of the people of Mecca at that time and further embellished with the idiosyncrasies of Mohammed .
The Jewish Torah plagiarized Egyptian, Persian, Babylonian and Sumerian stories which predate the Jews by over 1000 years. If the Torah is a fraud, then the Koran is no better.
When the Egyptians were building marble palaces, the Jews were nomadic, still living in caves.
Spend some time and research this for your self. Don’t rely on the imam, he will tell you what will keep your mind enslaved to the thoughts of one crazy individual.
Do you mean to say that Torah is a version of idolatry?
When did the Quran really take flight and people were reciting it’s verse.
How many years after the passing of the “Prophet”.? When was the Hadith compiled? How many years after the Quran.. talk about distorted and lies..
The 3rd Caliph Saidina Othman was the one who got the Quran turned into a book or the Book. What did Abu baker and Omar do as the caliph? Conquer in the name of Arabs..
How come God let’s Mohamed have 11 wives whilst the rest only 4?
How come he was not punished for commuting Zina when he slept with his wifes Jewish maid.. not married but had intercourse and later tells his wives namely Aishah that He has been married in heaven? Wow..” Why do you deprive yourself of what we have prepared for You?” Was the “Wahyu” he received.. Wow.. Allah condones to Zina only for Mohamed?
He was chosen to do what?
Al Hajar al Assad fell from heaven during the time of Adam and Eve?
Could it have been the Fallen ?
And Mohamed kisses the stone? Is that God?
A true Religion is Islam with Real Facts..Quran is Never Edited becouse Promiss of God. All book like Bible and Torah and other Religions books are edited many time. so Now please Read Quran and study islam for becoming batter humans..
islam is false religion mohammed was a fake prohphet. mohammed was a theif. shame on moslems the true pagans.
so true..
Mr. Phive elements and Mr. satyanada
Let us be respectful for each other’s concept of life and religion. The discussion must be based on logical arguments aimed at teaching or learning and not alleging or abusing.
The point of view that Islam borrowed rituals from different sources does not require any defense. Apparently it looks as if the rituals are borrowed, but in fact it is a continuation of Allah’s deen, historically from Noha and Ibrahim. As of human nature, after passage of time after every messenger, the followers used to become non adherent to the True practices and Allah swt had to send prophets after prophets. That explains that even the rituals were not in the true shape every time. Now everything came from Allah on every prophet, so where is the question of borrowing or imitating. Basically Allah is repeating His message again and again before the accountability day arrives.
Thanks for reading.
The Adam and Noah stories are based on similar older Egyptian and Sumerian stories for which these is an abundance of written and archeological evidence.
Adam and Noah never existed in reality. Apart from what is in the Torah, there is no evidence of these guys and god could instruct all the evil, wickedness and nonsensical writings that are contained in Genesis , etc.
Research this topic with an open mind.
The internet is a game changer which will enlighten the mind and eventually destroy religion within 50 years.
Shahzad – Then this show you don’t know Islam, or the Koran. Which was written and edited by someone else. Much of its writings was stolen and made not perfect. Mohammad was illiterate, and saw no importance that the Koran should be written in the first place, it was supposed to be remembered and recited only. All that he had, was what he heard and learn from others.
The Coming of Yeshuoa(Jesus) was foretold. His Death and resurrection was foretold. Mary was instructed to name him YESHUOA (Jesus) which means God With Us. Mentioned 25 times in the Quran. and he shall be called the son of God,
also in the Quran –
ISA – the Word of God. (Kalimatullah)
## In the beginning there was the Word.. is the Word , the Creator or the Creation?
ISA- The Spirit of God (Ruhullah)
ISA – THE MESSIAH (Al Masih) #So what was Muhamads function?
At three days old he took earth or clay from the ground with his hands and Breathed into it.. A bird flew out of his hands. What does it say I wonder?
Muhammad says Jesus did not die on the Cross but was switched and Yahuza (Judas) took his place.. No one dies by crucifixion After crucifixion and all have left , the gaurds would go up to each one crucified and break their legs and leave them hanging on the Cross to be eaten by birds and other wild animals. But Jesus “Died on the Cross again ensuring the scriptures and Gods words were fulfilled. Not a single bone on his body will be broken.. was what the Father said.
Who was God Planning to Fool..
700 years after Jesus left, God the Father decides to send this man to tell Everyone, APRIL FOOL.. or FOOLED YA.
WAS God fooling the Romans? Jews? The apostles? The mother of Jesus.?
Or Is Mohamed the one That Jesus warned about.. Beware of the False Prophet.. You can recognise him by his fruits , For the Fruits of Gods Spirit is “LOVE.. “.
HE CAME FOR ONE REASON,
THE SALVATION OF MAN KIND..
HE CAME TO DIE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS FOR ALL MANKIND, PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE.
HOW CAN ANYONE BEAT THAT?
If Mohamad wanted the people to follow him, he had to “Unkill” Jesus.
But the contradiction is evident. If There was someone who has done something this great and is called the son of God, what would ANYONE need from Mohamed? Absolutely nothing.
Now that Jesus has been Downgraded to Prophet and Unkilled and at the same time Islamised toghether with the others before him, whoelse gets to lead the flock? No matter how much you clean a toilet it’s still a place to take a dump.. You can’t sleep in it, you can’t eat there, you can’t do anything in a toilet except SHit. A wolf in sheep’s clothing is still a wolf. If a dog tries to miew, it’s still a dog..
The present gets knowledge or affirmation or guidance from the Past..
The Quran can be correct if it doesn’t contradict Books before it..
Without the bible and Tora there would be no Quran.
Quranic verses protected? How? Because of the strokes and dots?
Good try.. The Hebrew text was already protected by the same concept of the Quran. But the Tora was first.. Would God Contradict himself?
Dear friend,
don’t forget that the first believer is Adam pbuh who saw god all mighty, then came Abraham who built the kaaba in the first place and who called the first muslims.This have I been commanded: I am the first Moslem (Wa ‘Ana ‘Awwalu Al-Muslimin). S. 6:161-163 Sale.
It s only normal that what comes after religion. Like paganism and other religions, monotheist and other will share similarities in some traditions just as fasting or festivals. Don’t forget Ibrahim or abraham was also a prophet and messenger before Moises and Jesus pbu them. Islam considers Abraham to be “one of the first Muslims” (Surah 3)—the first monotheist in a world where monotheism was lost, and the community of those faithful to God,[48] thus being referred to as ابونا ابراهيم or “Our Father Abraham”, as well as Ibrahim al-Hanif or “Abraham the Monotheist”.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions.
Prophet Muhammad has a reason why brought us fasting in Islam. Because pagan did it before them or because originally it was abraham did it before and pagans also applied into their traditions.
I don’t believe there is such things as stealing from other religions but there have to be similarities. It s because from one source who is Adam and eve.
Do you mean to say that Torah is a version of idolatry?
Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,
Perez the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,
Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,
Obed the father of Jesse,
and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,
Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah,
and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,
Abihud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Elihud,
Elihud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary,
and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.
Amen!!!!!! Blessed be Jesus!!!!!!
On the contrary. Islam is pagan religion who stole from the Abrahamic god and not the opposite
Islam core is the Moon god worship that borrowed from rabbinic judaism and christianity
Hahah
Pagan is illusive word.
Gondi is the oldest civilization.
Read about Gond tribe/people, Gondi religion,culture, civilization, language.
Gondwana is in Central India,
Narmada river civilization.
Boring.
Wow! We’ve got some wonderful facts unveiling the history and hypocritical nature of Ramadan fasting. Thank you Taslima. You have written,”There are some unscientific, nonsense verses in the Quran about Ramadan”. But according to me,the whole Quran is a compilation of some unscientific, nonsense verses. Some are very funny. There are some guys living in my neighborhood. They almost worship Zakir Naik and some few other new-age prophets. The leader of those guys is studying MBBS in a medical college. This highly educated,socially acclaimed boy strongly believes that the Quarn is the source of every invention. Even the Quran is a science manual! This is 21st century…era of hijab and fatwa by educated peoples. Sad!
Hahaha. It might give you a bit of comfort to know that there are such people in every religion. Once I read a comment by a Hindu claiming that Vishnu’s Dasavatara actually represent Evolution. Of course Hindus invented everything 10 million years before anyone else. Also, temples are built in places where the Earth’s magnetic field is particularly strong. The idols actually absorb “positive energy” and beam it into worshippers!
Anyway, as you say, a lot of people who fall for these things are quite bright and intellectually curious. We should try to engage with them and show them they’ve been misled.
hindu was the first religion which exist on earth…. my dear friend…
Actually the first religion were animistic, from which then developed later religions. Hinduism is just one of the many resulting religious traditions over the two hundred thousand years of Homo sapiens’ existence, if indeed they didn’t inherit religious belifs from yet earlier species of humans.
Dear Hindu brother, According to DNA verification test results almost 99% Muslims of India, Pak & Bangladesh are identical to local Hindus and Indian Muslims DNA never match to either Arabs, Persians or Egyptians, this indicates clearly that only local Hindus were converted to Islam and everyone should know that 99% Muslims of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are from Hindu ancestors as per British genealogy report. Might be your ancient cousins converted to Muslims from Hinduism only due to the atrocities of upper caste of Hindus on lower caste one and resulted in conversion in to Islam. If in India Hindus forcibly converted in to Islam then why Muslims are not returning back in Hinduism fold again? It is because of Hindus converted in to Muslims as per their own will & wish only since Hinduism is falsely framed religion by Aryans to dominate & establish Rule over native backward, scheduled caste & tribes to commit their atrocities. Now you are saying Muslims are terrorists because these native Indians no more under Aryans control.
However keep in mind that already from Aryans created Hinduism (Hindus) left to Islam in Pakistan & Bangladesh and within coming 100 years India also will with Muslims Majority and become Islamic country.
Is there anyone to clarify that why there is no difference between Hindus & Muslims on their faces/ Heights/ personality or on their genes? Because of Muslims and Hindus (Except Aryans) are really natives of Indian sub continent with in different faiths.
Dear Rashid;
Your first comment regarding DNA test is certainly correct. However all the rest of the comments about Hinduism and Aryan etc are as wrong as wrong can be.
Only religions in the world are three Abrahamic religions. India and China certainly do not have religions. There is no word for religion in Indian languages. If India had religion then it would have a name for i. The need to universalize the notion of religion is a need of these three religions of Islam, Christianity and Judaism.
You are also ignorant about the history of India under Islam and colonial periods, except for the popular versions you obviously have read. Go through the original sources and you will see the bloody history of Islam. Will Durant says that Indian history under Islam is the bloodiest history of the mankind. He also estimates the about 80 Million Hindus Killed, and many many others sold in to slave markets. Islam has a technical name for the capturing of teh slaves and women and it is Mall-e-Ganimat.
Please quote the Hindu references regarding the lower cast treatment from Hindu Books. I am sure you can’t even read these. Muslims did not return to Hinduism because by the time Islamic dominance was finished about a 700 years had passed and it had become a norm in converted families. In addition any one who converts back will be killed by the rest of the Muslims as that is the prescription for leaving Islam.
Mr. Rasheed,
Hindus were forcibly converted to ur cult.They are not returning back to their old culture, simply because the punishment for apostasy in Islam is death.
Before u give such condescending remarks, have a look at ur country, u have no economy , no education, a land of illiterate lunatics, even for basic health care, u come over to India, cos ur doctors are unqualified.What is ur nation contributing to humanity ????
Ur country is so small but ur population is more than Russia, i think ur country is a nuisance in this world.
Agree with you, Muller.
Hinduism indeed was the first religion on Earth.
Hinduism was never a religion friend. We had only paganism in India
true
Hinduism was the first religion that existed on earth ? that would be the day when the con man met the fool. that is how religion started. lol
I am a Hindu. You are right about your Hindu friend making nonsensical claims. Unfortunately there is an increasing number of such educated Hindu fanatics. It is only a machismo
Hinduism is based on superstition but with great respectability as hindus worship mainly the elements.
But the Jewish Torah was plagiarized from the older Egyptian, Persian, Babylonian and Sumerian stories. And there is plenty of evidence for this.
There is no evidence to support the stories and characters in the Torah.
The Christian bible and the Muslim Koran hang on the coat tails of the Torah. If the Torah is a fraud, then the Bible and the Koran are no better.
But what is worse is the fraud is when a guy claimed that god told him to write the Koran. That to my mind was most dishonest and resulted in nearly 2 billion people being enslaved to ideas that are illogical and have them boxed in to a kind of slavery.
So sad you are still living in darkness.The books the Vedas said History on earth goes back many millions of years.In fact read M. Cremo books. You can laugh,but like I said you are still in darkness…
Nadr ibn al-Harith summed up Mahomet!
How delightful! Your words are bring in the extreme as well. Cheers!
To you Bikky, You are extremely ignorant, racist and have some kind of profound superiority complex which is beyond me. Someone like you could never see the truth… I guess you practice the islamic faith and this is why you are being so rude against Akaula Kaula comments. It is true not just in India everywhere islam spread in its early origins they converted people with much violence… you go ahead and rewrite history to suit your own ignorance.
How dare you spit so much venom out on any country, who are you!!!
Lots of Pakistani invaded lots of site,using fake name–shameless …
I hadn’t realized that the form of the fast was taken from pagans as well. Everybody stole from them, as they had the then-current monopoly (or oligopoly), and were generally much more varied and entertaining, and frequently available for mixing and matching (or this is possibly even required in some cultures and states).
Islam had a good market to choose from, with access to several other authoritarian monotheistic religions as well (and the baggage they had collected from competing and precursor polytheisms as well).
In most cases, though, religions have a habit of keep picking the worst bits of other religions, or from their own history, and making them worse. Or completely perverting what were originally good elements included in a religion.
Muhammad used to go to Syria by a trade caravan belong to his first wife Khadija. He met many Christians in Syria. He also met Jews in Medina. One of Khadija’s cousins, Waraqah ibn Nawfal, had embraced Christianity. Muhammad learned a lot from them and wrote the Koran on the basis of the stories he heard. Probably his only creation was 72 virgins thingie.
Rituals are mostly stolen from pagans.
Dear Nasreen;
My Tasleema’t to you.
Your name is a Muslim name. Instead of presuming that you are a Muslim I wish to ask you if you are one.
Do you normally speak against Islam or have you also written in favour of some aspects of Islam?
Looking forward to a pleasant dialogue with you.
Muhammad Suleman
I never talk or think against Islam
good for you–keep covering your face…
One who knows the truth and conseals it called a kafir.
Google was invented for a reason Mr. So and so!!
She is infamous Tasleema nasreen from Bangladesh. Who was allegedly sexually abused by her father and uncle in Bangladesh according to her allegation. She was kicked out from the country on blasphemy of Prophet and Islam.. She was given asylum in England, she married to a Christian. She is probably a Christian or Hindu or may be an atheist. She became rich and popular writing against Islam. She has tasted the blood now she can’t stop it.
I think part of it is that we need our religions to be special, born fully-formed like Athena.
Acknowledging that they are part of a seamless continuum of rituals and beliefs that get borrowed and built upon comes too close to acknowledging that they’re a human cultural artifice like any other.
I adore your writings, even reading you translated into English makes me miss the flavor of Arabic when I was attempting to learn it.
Interesting comment being that the Prophet Mohammed was unable to read or write..well known fact Taslima, wake up!
sham on you, Taslima. Actually you are pegan, that is why you are supporting paganism. Pagansim worship davil and so do you. Our prophet mohammad (peace be up on him) was not a copy cat like you are. He had fear of Allah unlike you. If you are so brave and so powerful can you stop death Taslima because you are doctor. Sham on you taslima, you are so filthy.
Look at you and Dr. Zakir naik. You are disgusting and Alhamdurilla he is so respectful to this world insha Allah next world he will be too. Alhamdullih Allah keep his promises because dr. zakir talk for Allah and for Mohammad(S.w) he is respected to this world so far. Look at you, you try to insult ALlah and his prophet Mohammad(s.w) and Allah made you to get slap through other people shoes. Sham on you Taslima.
Now I got it you actually worship filthy jinn. So you are pegan disgusting!!!!
@Anita paganism, your comments are silly. Tasleema was narrating facts and has rightly said that most rituals are copied from Pagans, Jews or Christians. The concept of 72 houris is original though.
Its a actually not original. The 72 houris comes from zorotanism which has the same concept.
Only a muslim will hate.I am Hindu ,and Hinduism is a pagan religion..Pagan is millions and millions times better than Islamic/Isis,any time…
God /Allah guide you with right path Hindu brother since you are misguided about Islam.
Islam means peace & only peace, but owing to misinterpreation, non Muslims become against Islam.
My Forefathers were Hindus, but I never want to come again in Hinduism fold?
Islam mean peace???! yet it does the opposite. This is what the Bible calls deception!. Mohammad was never peaceful! May God/Allah guide you Muslims to the right path, since you are blinded by the beguiling of Islam.
Say: O ye that reject Faith!
I worship not that which ye worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
To you be your Way, and to me mine.
Islam the cancer of this world. yeh that’s a good one that’s why your religion was spread by the sword and your heroes and false pedophile braindead false prophet killed and raped his way across the east and into parts of Europe taking 10 per cent of WAR booty for himself slave trading and mutating Jews and Christians , you and your black flags , al Mahadi and Isa aka Jesus ???? who are to return and convert all to islam or die , oh muslim theirs a jew hiding behind me a tree will say lol wake the hell up , Do you really believe that Jesus christ will convert people to PISLAM , on that day of jugment the antichrist and the FALSE prophet will be fucked into the LAKE OF FIRE
That Islam is the youngest religion is undebated. Mohammad salauallah wassalam was the last prophet whose exemplary simple lifestyle piety and honesty attracted many followers. The religions predating Islam were true at first but later people changed the scriptures for their selfish ends. Therefore Al Qoran mentions all the Prophets like Moses, Christ, Iona , Jacob etc. Even Rama and Krishna are prophets though their names do not appear in the Holy Quran.All Arabs are descendants of Abraham from his maid Ezra.
Yet Mohammad and Muslims betrayed this sayings, killed and forced Islam on others???! What a liar!
Taslima, If you say an illiterate was the inventor of the Quran, then accept the challenge of Quran and write something like the Quran, but you wont be able to do it, even if all of mankind and jinkind would help each other.
Let us look at Noble Verse 17:88 “Say: ‘If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur’an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.
And why on earth are taking unauthentic Hadith as proof ?
May Allah guide you
Amin
Dear Servant of Allah
Where the Koran falls down is in its rendition of the O.T. Prophets The Bible was written over 1500 yrs by Prophets of old under the Influence of the Holy Spirit it is in fact some 35% prophetic in nature written outside of time as Isaiah guided by YHWH would say “declaring the end from the beginning” Alpha to Omega Genesis to Revelation. For instance {one of hundreds} The Abraham/Isaac account in Genesis is a typology {a Father willing to sacrifice his Son for atonement for sin} there are no less than 14 Messianic accounts in this one story alone. What i am saying is you cannot replicate this without knowledge of the future . the Koranic account is meaning less constructed after the event [thousands of years in this case} not before.
Example Daniel 8 the goat is Alexander the great smote the ram {Media/Persia] in the year 334 B.C. if you add the 2300 it brings you to the year 1967 {add 1 to account for 0 crossing B.C. to A.D.] when indeed the only remaining part of Solomons Temple in Jerusalem was Cleansed/sanctified and furthermore Nasser died shortly after not of human hands
The devil can sift thee as wheat servant of Allah
Just by saying that there is an old testament and a new testament, it obviously shows that humans changed the bible.
Not a single letter of the quran has changed.
“Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur’an and indeed, We will be its guardian.” (Sura 15, Verse 9)
But I guess you’ve never read the complete Quran, nor are you planning to read it.
May Allah the only one God who has no child guide you, Amin.
Come on nathaniel,you lost me when day for year prophecy time lines were given.
The book of daniel is a closed book for end times.it will never make sense if you use day for year interpretation. stop looking at rome.the anti christ is destined for jerusalem ,where all 3 faiths look to the temple mount for messiah.
Who written the Bible and when it got completed? Why ther is different versions in bible. Why gospel of John contradict gospel of Matthew. Why there is a rule father get punished for son sin if it do it should follow today also as it is act of Jesus according to bible.
Old Testament is the new Testament concealed the New Testament the old revealed.
In the beginning YHWH created the Heavens and the Earth the opening line of Genesis is a quite staggering example of an heptadic 7 fold code{ in the original Hebrew} over 20 cases within a 7 word sentence Hebrew gematria included i defy anyone in relevant prose to equal this . You will be familiar with heptadic code in the book of Revelation which i believe you are aware of,. it permeates scripture , what is amazing is the fact that Hebrew Greek and even English the complete vocabulary must be known in advance ! will your Koran tell you about this 8/10/2005
You should really try a Tafsir (translation + explanation) of the Quran it will open your heart with the permission of Allah, Amin. There are no contradictions with scientific facts in the Quran. The Quran deals with every aspect of life, this is why it’s a manual for the believing muslim.
23. “And if you are in doubt of what We have sent down to Our (faithful) Servant (Muhammad), then bring forth one Sura the like thereof, and call your witnesses other than Allah, if you are truthful.”
24. “And if you do not do so, and you will never do it, then fear the Fire whose fuel is People and Stones, prepared for the infidels.”
Someone up there in comments said his first wife was a jewess.
lets get it right muhammed learned alot from the catholics, not true christians who to this very day practice paganism, his wife was catholic and very rich and he learned alot from the catholic paganism culture. At this time the catholics were enemies of the true christians as they spread far and wide. there influence with the islam faith is just to try and smear and eradicate true cristianity as they resided in the countries where now islam flourishes.
Dear tasleema don’t listen muhammad he might deceive
by using taqiyya and might try to hurt you
Dear taslima nasrin
Allah has sent u on the earth with free will so whatever u feel like say go ahead no problm. But at the end of the day before sleeping u just think once that what u r doing and what illlogical and unethical statement you are giving.
Taslima,
I feel that you did the right thing for yourself, considering where you have come from – a country that has its woes.
You are now castigating a set of beliefs that you consider foolish and misleading – nothing wrong.
But then you are giving these beliefs and ways of life and thinking, Islam.
That is going a bit too far. Who is really qualified to say what Islam really is?
Some of your ideas a simplistic, like (a) relying on the hadeeth down to the jot and (b) coming to or hinting at stunning conclusions about what you read without first giving the benefit of the doubt to the original intentions of the God that Mohammed worshipped (or you can say, Mohammed, if you like, for he represented/ represents that divine principle, today).
Once you start with the positive there emerges a problem: You can no longer dismiss where you came from in your daily life – who you are and the forces (all the uncountable forces) that make up who you are.
If you realise how ignorant you are, and Man is, while he seeks knowledge then I think it will bring you humility and enable you to accept that you are not qualified to make judgments. Making judgments, however you interpret the history, can be an act of ignorance. You will, be reconsidering whether you know enough, really, need to decide everyday, whether you are, by doing so, committing an act that is uplifting or damaging.
But you are entrenched in the place you are now. You will not turn back, obviously, to reconsider areas of thought that you may have not fully explored a while back to arrive at where you are today. That is human. Nonetheless, you need to reconsider, please, whether you are being fair by digging at, and discussing in a prejudiced manner, historical questions that have affected every culture and geographic area with human nature which, in the case of Islam, was recorded to have achieved transcendant heights and the lowest depths one can imagine, now, being used to destroy what it is really all about: The desire to seek the highest standards in humanity. That is what Islam and all ways of life which are worth discussing are all about.
Please reconsider your position.
Errata – sorry I should have previewed my writing before publishing:
But then you are giving these beliefs and ways of life and thinking, THE LABEL “Islam”.
You will, (be) BY reconsidering whether you know enough…
I think you will enjoy this article: http://religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/construction.htm
There is one mistake in this otherwise excellent essay. Allaḥ is not a Moon God, just like in Islām he is the creator and highest of the Gods, with Allat as his wife and co-creatress of the world. The crescent moon did not become a symbol of Islām until deep in Ottoman times. It is true that the crescent moon in the sky was important as it marked the beginnings of each month, as it does in many cultures past and present.
So while it is true that the crescent moon is a symbol of lunar deities throughout the ancient Near East, going back thousands of years, it was never a symbol of Allaḥ, for Allaḥ is not a Moon God.
As far as I know Hubal and Allah are connected. http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/hubalallah.html
Yet the South Arabian tribes had a different Moon God, Ta’lab, yet they also worshipped Allaḥ.
As far as you know? I could throw a refrigerator farther than you know! By the way, they are not connected…lol. Muslims beleive that God has no partners. Obviously, this is a pagan beleif. So as far as I know, you dont know anything about Islam or Allah.
taslima,
the belief of pagans was to god shiva.. but prophet muhaamed started his own religion… disregarding the pre-islamic rituals… as the kabba in mecca is the shivaling of god shiva…. there were 260 idols of gods in kaba.. but islam doesnot belief in idol worship…
The Ka’aba is NOT originally a Temple to Shiva. It is a temple to Allah, and to the other Gods of Arabia and their trade partners. So while hypothetically an idol of Shiva could have been present at the site, it wasn’t the primary deity there, let alone the reason it was built.
Islam says that the world will continue to degenerate in terms of value systems and as time goes by people will be less and less empowered or even motivated to get together to do something about it. Atheists (many of whom are concerned but I am talking about those who take what they have for granted) and people who are individualists and nationalists (especially in the coloniser countries that stole all the wealth of the parts of the world that have been exploited and cast aside) have it so good that they do not have the moral courage to face the fact that we are sliding as a humanity and will continue to slide until we collectively raise our standards. I speak as a Muslim.
I think you will enjoy this article: http://religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/construction.htm
Can you make a comparison study that how massages of God came to Moses, Jesus and Mohammad? There MUST be a similarity. I like to know from you….
Every creator God, who is defined as Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent is a contradiction in terms, hence can not exist. But religious people are too blinded to see that.
but it did before Islam was came on the scene and the quaran was written in 650AD… Allah was another name for the moon God in the pagan tribes.
Fasting has been practiced since the very beginning of human life on earth. Some sects of Jews and Christians do fasting for 40 days. Hindu people do fasting in different occasions.
The fasting that Muslim people do may be different in some aspects of practice.
It should be remembered that the intention of fasting is same for all religion e.g. satisfying God.
People of different religion got the direction of fasting from the same god.
We can’t judge Quran either by holding few translations, criticizing difference of Islamic practice among different sects or societies of Muslims and of course not blindly believing the propaganda against Islam by non Muslims.
The whole universe exists in the quran. It needs extensive knowledge to about all the aspects of realistic and so called unrealistic things; a non biased mind.
I’ve seen a more mundane explanation for fasting, that it’s a way of practicing for surviving famines. That had been a real problem for many premodern societies.
Some people fast because it induces religious/mystical visions. These are essentially hallucinations, and they can be induced in a variety of ways. Bertrand Russell once knew a woman who fasted because of the experiences she had while doing so. He stated that if you eat too little, you see heaven, while if you drink too much, you see snakes.
As to Islam ripping pre-Islamic practices, as some commenters noted here, that’s rather common. Consider winter-solstice celebration in mid-northern latitudes. English speakers usually call it Christmas, but Danish and Swedish and Norwegian and Icelandic speakers still use cognates of English “Yule”. Candles and conifer trees don’t have much connection with Jesus Christ, but instead with what there’s not much of in winter: light and living vegetation.
But there are winter-solstice-aligned monuments that go back very far, like Newgrange, Ireland, nearly 5000 years ago, and the Goseck Circle, southern Germany, nearly 7000 years ago. Seems like their builders thought winter solstice worth noting.
If Muhammad had the chance to respond to this, he most probably will remind that like many in his time, he also was reviving and perfecting Abrahamic traditions which partially was embedded in Arab practice, though some took pagal flavor, other retained in more pure form (called Hanafi) and others were blended in Arab Jewish or Arabo Christian traditions.
Hajj for example was first introduced by Abraham, then became mixed in Arab local tradition (hence idol worship came into form). So to label it pagan is bit dishonest or myopic at best.
Regarding the statement you made, “There are some unscientific, nonsense verses in the Quran about Ramadan.”
Quran.Sura 2:187: “Eat and drink until white thread of dawn appears to you and then complete your fast till the night appears.”
Quran.Sura 18:83-86:“Zulkharnain reached the setting place of the sun. He saw that it set in a pool of black muddy water.”
It seems people often forget that Quran has a very poetic language because classic Arab is.
When in Bangla language we say, “Amar Shnonar Bangla Ami Tomae Bhalobashi” .. literally it means “My Bengal Land of Gold, I love you,” this doesnt mean Bangladesh has Gold mines, it simply express preciousness.
Similarly in 18:83-86… when it says Zulkarnain reached the setting place of sun, its an idiomic phrase of furthest west. Just as Japan is called “the Land of Rising Sun.”
Thanks.
If any one reads the Quran, he/she will find that Quran holds a gradual transition beginning from Adam. It acknowledges the importance of all of the important prophets. The Quran didn’t deny them rather directed to respect them. A native american man once told me about their prophet. His name was Nanabush. What he told was the exact story of Prophet Noah. This man’s tribe still do spiritual practice by their own way.
According to the Quran, Adam’s religion was Islam. All the other prophets’ religion was Islam though their practice was different from modern day practice. For example, direction for five times salat.
Quran also says that sharing god with wife, son etc etc. and worshiping other Gods are anti Islam.
As a chemical engineer I like to say that God is the central nucleus of the universe. The universal activities are regulated by it. Religious practice is for mingling the transformed energy with that core energy. A good chemical reaction always needs the utmost purity of the components.
There many opportunities of discriminating oppressing man kind when more than God is worshiped; the cast system and hierarchy of brahminism.
Some people accepts Ramadan as a ritual without any option. No, ramadan is not a must for whatever reason we show. Their is option for giving alms and in case of incapability only prayer.
many of the Islamic practices that is criticized now a days are actually not in compliance with Quran, hadith, sunnah and fiquah. example: hadith says every muslim man and woman must be educated, if even it needs you to go a far away county. According to sariah, a muslim woman can be the head of a country or army chief of staff.
Some muslim countries ignore these. That is not the fault of the Quran but of human beings and for that they will be judged.
Some people think being anti religion means being modern and learned in so many modern concepts. But we forget that man is mortal.
I like this comment. It exposes TN’s simplistic and self-serving approach to the questions. She is excused by the environment she chooses to live in, too. Any affiliations to her antecedants that she shows are only expedient. She may be a very good person and also probably helps a lot of people (as Muslims who perform at their best, do), but she practices her beliefs or disbeliefs not with conviction but as a convenience. That is my suspicion.
Yup! you may be right about the poetic language, but it seems Mohammad did not understand it and took it literally.
Many of his saying and so called teaching were from others which he himself had had leaned.
What do you mean by this statement?? Allah quote verses like Rabindranath?? please answer it.
Dear Sincere Truth Seekers,
I have literally copied and pasted the authors complete entry. I will now refute her misleading statements with the truth. My own words will be added to the authors entry seperated by brackets []. Please note..I am not a scholar and my comments below are based on my limited knowledge as a student of history and Islam.
The difference between pre-Islamic Ramadan and Islamic Ramadan is, pre-Islamic Ramadan was practiced by a Pagan tribe in Arabia, and Islamic Ramadan is practiced by Muslims all over the world. [Very broad comment. There are many differences between Pre-Islamic Ramadan and Islamic Ramadan rituals, too many to list. Do some research through credible sources]
During Ramadan, Pagan Arabs used to abstain from food, water, sexual contact etc. Muslims practice the same Pagan Ramadan rituals.[Although Muslims do abstain from the above mentioned, Ramadan is much more than that. Why do Muslims abstain from this? It is to detach oneself from worldly matters for the pleasure of their Lord, to remember why we were created and humble ourselves. Check out islamreligion.com for much more in depth info on Ramadan]
It is a well-known fact that Islam adapted the Pagan practice of fasting. [The Pagans in question were also re-knowned through out Arabia to be the most hospitable to their guests, their generosity,bravery and many other great qualities. Does this mean that it is wrong to continue to practice some Pre-Islamic rituals that were noble?? If that was the case then Muslims should not be as hospitable, generous etc etc since this is apparently soley attributed to Pagans. Jews and Christians by the way also practice forms of fasting dont they?]
There is a Hadith in Sahih Bukhari that mentions the ritual.
Bukhari 5:58:172 – Narrated Aisha: ‘Ashura was a day on which the tribe of Quraish used to fast in the pre-lslamic period of ignorance. The Prophet also used to fast on this day. So when he migrated to Medina, he fasted on it and ordered (the Muslims) to fast on it. When the fasting of Ramadan was enjoined, it became optional for the people to fast or not to fast on the day of Ashura.’
The fasting for Ashura (10th of Muharram) originated from a Quraish Pagan practice. Ramadan fasting came later from Sabian tradition. Sabians are mentioned in several verses of the Quran [al-Baqarah 2:62], [al-Hajj 22:17] , [al-Maa’idah 5:69] along with Christians and Jewish. [Yes they are mentioned, but in what context??] Sabians, a non-Muslim Iraqi tribe, believed in monotheism, observed fasting 30 days a year, and prayed 5 times a day. [More useless info that doesnt prove anything]
Not only Ramadan fasting, other Pagan rituals were also Islamized. The Ka’aba in Mecca was a center of idol-worship. 360 idols were kept in the Ka’aba. According to Hadith Bukhari 3:43:658 Narrated Abdullah bin Masud: The Prophet entered Mecca and (at that time) there were three hundred-and-sixty idols around the Ka’aba. He started stabbing the idols with a stick he had in his hand and reciting: “Truth (Islam) has come and Falsehood (disbelief) has vanished.”[ This proves that Islam is not based on Idol worship and pagan beleifs. Yes the Ka’aba in Mecca was a center of idol-worship before Islam. Islam came and did away with this through Monotheism]
The Black-stone or al-Ḥajar al-Aswad of the Ka’aba became the central shrine object in Islam.[Central Shrine object?? Not really. Some Islamic historians beleive this stone was sent to Ismael from the Angel Gabriel and placed on the Ka’aba when Ismael and his father Abraham constructed the Ka’aba. This stone does not play a pertinent role in the Islamic religion nor is central to anything] It was one of the many stones and idols venerated by pre-Islamic Pagans. [Again, given to Abrabram and his son Ismael when they constructed the Ka’aba with their own hands. Abraham by the way is “the father” of all 3 major monotheistic religions in the world, Judaism, Christianity and Islam…so the black stone was not just venerated by pagans rather their origins of worship stemmed from monotheistic beleifs that later became diluted with falsehood with addition of idol worship] The Black Stone was kissed by people during pre-Islamic pagan worship. Muhammad did not completely abolish Idol worship, he made the Black Stone stay and allowed people to continue the practice of kissing the stone. [False, the prophet Mohammed (pbuh) did in fact abolish ALL forms of idol worship. As stated, this stone has a special history. To venerate, or hold something in a deep respect is completely different than Idol Worship] It is the same pre-Islamic Pagan stone that Muslims kiss today during Hajj and Umrah. [Again, given to Abraham and his son Ismael, Prophets of God and fathers of the 3 Major Montheistic religions in the world today] The Islamic historians believe that the black stone was a pagan deity called ‘Al-Lat’, one of the three daughters of Allah, the Pagan moon-god. She was once venerated as a cubic rock at Ta’if in Arabia. [ Completely false, a lie. The author conveniently does not cite any sources here. There is not one credible Islamic Scholar/Historian that would agree to the authors statement]
Hisham ibn-Al-Kalbi (819 CE) in his ‘The book of Idols’ wrote that ‘Al-lat stood in al-Ta’if, and was more recent than Manah. She was a cubic rock beside which a certain Jew used to prepare his barley porridge (sawiq). Her custody was in the hands of the banu-’Attab ibn-Malik of the Thayif, who had built an edifice over her. […]She is the idol which God mentioned when He said, “Have you seen al-lat and al-Uzza?” (Surah 53:19) [Yes some of the well known idols of these Pagans are mentioned in the Quran, but under what context??? Here is entry 53:23- These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!]
Muslims in the 21st century believe that the Black Stone fell from the heaven during the era of Adam and Eve. They also believe that the stone was originally white, but it turned black because of absorbing human sins. [Which muslims beleive that? Im not sure there is a precise history of this stone’s origin, and frankly, the religion of Islam would be the same with or with out this stone]
Pre-Islamic Pagans prayed five times a day facing Mecca. [Islamic prayer and how and when it was to be done was instituted after the Prophet was commanded by Allah during the Isra and Miraj – On that occasion the Prophet received a number of directives including that Prayers were obligatory five times a day. (http://www.islamicity.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IC0608-3086)]
Persian Zoroastrian tribe prayed five times a day too, in the direction of the Sun or fire temple. Before prayers, Zoroastrians cleaned themselves or practiced ablution. Ablution and the prayers for 5 times are not something Islam invented.[Not sure about this statement but doesnt it make sense that before anyone would kneel and pray to their Lord and Creator that they should be in a state of cleanliness?] The Hadith [Sahih Bukhari Book 8, no. 345] tells us that when Muhammad met Allah in heaven, Allah demanded 50 prayers per day. But with the help of Moses, Muhammad bargained with Allah and finally he was successful to reduce 50 prayers per day to 5 prayers per day. Even the Quran (4:28) says, ‘God wishes to lighten your burden, for the human being is created weak’. [ok..this is true, humans are weak and Allah is the most kind]
During Hajj, Muslims walk between two mountains seven times. It is also a pre-Islamic practice. Let’s see what the Quran and the Hadith say about the special mountain walk. [Muslims perform Tawaf, “special mountain walk” as stated by author, to honor and commemorate the Tawaf made by Haggar, the wife of Abraham, again the father of the 3 major Monotheistic religions of the world today]
Hadith Bukhari. Volume 2, Book 26, Number 710: Narrated ‘Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: “Did you dislike to perform Tawaf between mountain Al-Safa and mountain Al-Marwa?” He said, “Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: ‘Verily! Al-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the rites (or symbols) of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka’ba, or performs ‘Umrah, to perform Tawaf between them.’ ” (Quran 2.158)
Many non-Islamic Pagan rituals are now known as Islamic rituals. Pagan’s crescent moon: the symbol of the moon god, circumambulation, Ihram etc. were taken or stolen by Islam. [Moon-God?? there are also other idiots that try to tie this to Islam but fail to do so. Muslims do not beleive in any moon gods or any diety except for Allah, the Creator of the worlds and everything in them. The most important tenant of Islam is in fact tawhid, Oneness of God] Muslims now begin their Ramadan fasting after seeing a crescent moon in the sky. [This is true, we do this since the moon phase cycle is an exact science which allows us to tell time, thus knowing when to start and end through cycles/phases of the moon] Ramadan is a kind of a month-long food festival for Muslims. [ Ramadan is much more than just about food as stated previously, see islamreligion.com for more info about Ramadan.] It is supposed to be a month of sacrifice and Muslims are expected to eat less. But in reality, Muslims eat more in Ramadan than any other month. [weird, everyone I know thats fasts during Ramadan abstains from food all day and when the sun goes down and its time to eat, we could hardly eat half a meal since we lose apetites and get full so fast! I never heard anyone call it the month of feasting..just ridiculous] Some people call Ramadan the holy month of feasting, instead of the holy month of fasting. They make sense. [The author does not make any sense!]
There are some unscientific, nonsense verses in the Quran about Ramadan. [lol, yea because Taslima is a brilliant author by day and Rocket Scientist by night. No idea what she is talking about]
Quran.Sura 2:187: “Eat and drink until white thread of dawn appears to you and then complete your fast till the night appears.” [Im not a scientist or scholar of Islam but i think this makes perfect sense. White threads of dawn is when the sun rises in the morning hours and the first rays of light are reaching over the lands from the blackness of the night. I think this is beautiful!]
Quran.Sura 18:83-86:“Zulkharnain reached the setting place of the sun. He saw that it set in a pool of black muddy water.” [again not a scholar but havent you ever seen a sunset over a lake or body of water? looks like the description somewhat above?? again im not a scholar and can not provide more analysis]
Quran.Sura 67:3-5; 37:6-9: “We created 7 heavens one above the other and decorated the lowest heaven with lamps – The Stars. We made such lamps as missiles to drive away Satan, who try to listen the conversation of the higher group — i.e., Conversation between Allah and his angels.” [Amazing, the Quran, a 1400 year old book states there are 7 atmospheres when modern science just discovered this fact not so long ago. Proof that Islam is a book of science and from the Lord, The All Knower]
There are many Hadith on Ramadan too. The most interesting ones are the ones about Muhammad kissing his wives and the way he permitted old men to embrace their young wives but prevented young men from embracing their young wives. Needless to say, Muhammad was old. [lol, the more interesting ones? Anyway, this statement sounds like complete garbage. and this is supposed to be a celebrated Author?]
Hadith. Bukhari, Vol.3:149: narrated Aisha, ‘Muhammad used to kiss and embrace his wives while he was fasting and he had more power to control his desires than any of you.’ [is there something wrong with embracing your wife? During Ramadan one abstains from sexual intercourse during fasting. A muslim is allowed to embrace his wife while fasting, just be careful not to arouse yourself to the point where your fast is broken because of sexual desires. A hug or a kiss can be ok..not talking about make out sessions here people.]
Hadith.Bukhari, Vol.3:151: Narrated Zainab: (daughter of Umme Salma) that her mother said, The prophet and I used to take a bath from one water pot and he used to kiss me while he was fasting.” [The prophet (pbuh) was a role model for husbands then and today on how to be tender and treatment of wives]
Hadith. Book 13, No.2381: Narrated Abu Hurayrah: A man asked Muhammad whether one who was fasting could embrace his wife and he gave him permission; but when another man came to him, and asked him, he forbade him. The one to whom he gave permission was an old man and the one whom he forbade was a youth. [Again not a scholar but this makes some sense to me. An old man is not the same as a youth. Imagine an old man with his wife vs a youth and his wild strong emotions and urges with his wife.]
Hadith. Book 13, No. 2380: Narrated Aisha: Prophet Muhammad used to kiss and suck her tongue, while he was fasting. [Sounds romantic..]
FYI People…about the author, where it lists how many awards she has won aound the world. Who awarded them to her? Only some of the most outspoken critics and anti-Islam groups well known for their corrupt morals and beleifs.
read more about islam. do your won research. if you are sincere about finding the truth about something, put a little effort into it and do not beleive everything u read on the internet or media. try islamreligion.com. thanks.
The name Taslima in itself is Arabic not Bangladeshi at all.
Secondly the name Allah for God is also used by Arab and Malaysian Christians. Khoda is a Farsi name for God and it is used all over the Indian subcontinent by Moselms, Sikhs, Christians and even Hindus.
Third fasting was done by all spiritual societies from Arabs to Native Americans. Anti-spiritualists more commonly known as human secularists see Spiritualism as strictly being Pagan and view it as primitive and backwards. But the probability of secular humanism surviving another 100 years is very low. Virtually every society is reporting an increase in some type of Spiritualism.
Fourth the 72 virgin “thingie” is not Islamic there is no exact number, the number 72 comes from the 72 “Demons” King Solomon had sealed also known as the 72 Keys of Solomon, he was married to a thousand women and girls.
Fifth, men can be virgins too, its not strictly a girl “thingie”, femminists thikn its only girls because it makes them feel victimized by being left out. Virgin males are promised to the female believers.
And sixth there is nothing wrong with hetrosexual sexuality.
Please just visit any religious department of main universities, after reasech what they said about Islam and Muhammad saw,, after research they called it remarkable. Why?
Paganism is nothing than human interference with God or mother nature.or create disorder in physical and spiritual life.similarities between all religions as Islam and Jewish and all others as its from same one God but for times and what are pagan,they try to distort it.
For people who blaming on most loving people of history, they wanna be a pagan or devil, to create disorder on earth
And they get nourished from devil sources.
Propaganda against Islam only because if human really follow
it,whole earth become heaven,
And other nation become jealous for that spending millions for negative propaganda,
I invite my brothers and sister of all religions to come with their books , I will prove it to you ,all same from same God.
Krishna,Abraham.Moses.Jesus and Muhammad and others are actually lovers of one God but of different times
And one more off topic coment.
You need to figure out how to spell your name. In your banner your last names is Nasrin in your bio its Nasreen.
Spend a few bucks and get it fixed, it looks suspicious like someone who doesn’t know how to write their own name winning prestigious literary writing awards.
This is actually a simple transliterration difficulty between Arabic and English. The “i” is probably not short but long, which English writes as “ee”, but in Arabic, there is a difference between a long “i” and a long “e”, that English spelling is unable to recognize. Philologists would probably write the name as: Nasrīn, using the macron to indicate the lengthened vowel.
Taslima,
You are so fucking mis guided. By allah, in whose hand is my life, you are worst than kuffar
Yay for kuffār! Kāfir Pride! Long live the mušrikūn!
After death, The energy stored that allows automation in our body will have to transform (energy can’t be destroyed; it just transforms in to another kind as the kinetic energy in water turns into electricity.
The more this energy is purified the more closer it will go to the central nucleus e.g. God.
No religion teaches things that is harmful for mankind or society.
Many religions doesn’t accept drinking but do that and even try to show that it is directed by religion!
Fasting may cause hallucination and dream but Muslims don’t experience hallucination and day dreaming while fasting.
Some religious practices allows taking psychogenic substances along with fasting and they experience hallucinations!
Hadith forbids too much sleeping while fasting.
“Fasting may cause hallucination and dream but Muslims don’t experience hallucination and day dreaming while fasting.”
As far as I am aware Muslims are allowed to drink and eat after sunset and before sunrise. In other religions fasting when practiced is permanent for the period one wishes to fast.
That is true
About the black stone: this is the stone standing on which Ibrahim used to see the recovering work of Kabba.
Muslims considers Ibrahim as the Patriarch of monotheism. Quran also says that “follow the religion of Ibrahim”. In salat we also pray for him with Muhammad.
I also read Bukhari, Muslim and Meshkat hadith and life of Ayesha and important sahaba but I never found such nasty hadith!
I think you are fueled by something behind!!!
Do you have any Bangla blog ? If have, please give me its address.
We must be living in a heightened level IGNORANCE when people read one article and BELIEVE pretty much all of it. There’s no doubt that the people who believed this article without first considering to hear an explanation would be Atheists or people who either HATE or DISLIKE Islam or religion in general. (which makes them BIASED)
If the people appreciating this article were asked; do you speak Arabic, Do you know WHAT is really meant by some of these accounts in their linguistic and cultural meanings, WHEN were any of these quotes revealed, WHY were such accounts revealed, to Whom are they Addressing, Did you VERIFY such accusations with their ORIGINAL SOURCES, & did you hear the other side (various accredited Muslim Scholar(s))
How many of you can say YES to the questions being posed ???
Don’t Allow Ignorance to prevail & please take from the simple and wise words of the Dalai Lama
“Consider things from every angle”.
Peace
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So have you considered al-Lat and al-‘Uzza? And Manat, the third – the other one? Is the male for you and for Him the female? That, then, is an unjust division. They are not but [mere] names you have named them – you and your forefathers – for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance. (Sura 53, Verse 19-23)
And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah , who created them, if it should be Him that you worship. (Sura 41, Verse 37)
They call upon instead of Him none but female [deities], and they [actually] call upon none but a rebellious Satan. (Sura 4, Verse 117-118)
Say, “Shall we invoke instead of Allah that which neither benefits us nor harms us and be turned back on our heels after Allah has guided us? [We would then be] like one whom the devils enticed [to wander] upon the earth confused, [while] he has companions inviting him to guidance, [calling], ‘Come to us.’ ” Say, “Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance; and we have been commanded to submit to the Lord of the worlds. (Sura 6, Verse 71)
O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a [tiny] thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued. (Sura 22, Verse 73)
Dear Taslima,
I admire you and your free thinking a lot. But you instigate the muslims with such writings. I am not going to contradict what is true but my respect for you will increase 10 folds if the language in which you wrote becomes less crude.
Thanks and Shalom!!
Any of the ‘facts’ or stories here, eg kissing and sucking (how gross and without decorum can one get to prove a point I shake my head), can be used to prove opposite sides of the argument. The point of the argument should be remembered: who is better at bringing about change for a better world? Everyone from whatever background can bring about positivity in their environments, now matter what background.
To hate Islam or atheism or anything in between is to hate. Period. Hate is based on aberration.
Billions of Muslims cannot be as thick as any critic suggests. They are intelligent.
I feel that the facts herein can get too simplistic to prove anything. The really honest person will ALWAYS doubt the authenticity of the premises of that lead them to certain conclusions. Human beings are fallible.
I have a curious thought: Would you as an atheist do any of the following things and, if not, why not?
Cohabit with a parent or get involved in incest? Bestiality? Necrophilia? Wife-swapping and orgies (I think atheists are ok with that)? Is there anything wrong with these sorts of activities? How about voodoo and witchcraft? How about polygamy? If it is bad in your mind then why is monogamy good? If it is good in your mind then are Muslims doing anything right? Are you fallible? Do you have a blind spot and are you infallible? If not then what can you prove by citing things like “Muslims stole from pagans”. It is not theft. It’s the same in music. Noone can really say, “this is my invention.” Musicians are constantly borrowing from and improvising upon the sounds that captivate them.
Muslims took from all cultures and ways of life, including philosophy and mathematics from the Greeks, for example. They passed it on to Europe which then brought us through a short ‘enlightenment’ period, which informs Tasleema’s position, today, and this knowledge base is now what has adulterated the US and brought it to the position of the Clash of Civilisations.
Actually most of the arguments here are simplistic. They do not take into account a host of forces at play and it is easy for someone like Tasleema to play into the hands of people with a wider agenda. But that too is a CHOICE with its own ulterior motives.
We all live and act based on our ulterior motives.
Ultimately, if you do not believe, then you do not believe that you are accountable and there is a perfect standard by which you can be accounted. If you believe, you believe in accountability and perfect standards. Allah is the most accurate of judges. That is what it is very much about.
THERE IS A FINAL ACCOUNTING, if not in China or in the USA or in India, or in hell or heaven or in the brain – there is an energy that cannot be created or destroyed in you. It has to account for itself. WE have to account for ourselves. That is part of consciousness. Noone can explain what that is and why it insists on ensuring there is no mistake in the reckoning. Allah is the one who judges that account.
Sihaah e Sitta and all Sunni books have such misleading ahadith that defame Islam. Fact.
Dear friends abraham / Ibrahim faher of people of god worshipped on Saturdays on shabath ? Y not Christians and Muslims ? How can anyone incorporate pagan rituals and Arab star family worship rituals with abraham family traditions .. Mecca has no archeological traces as a city in Saudi araabias history ……..y Saudi authorities are demolishing all mosques at mecca .And there is contradictory writings from Muslim scholars itself about construction oof mecca and authority of zamzam .Prophet mohammed itself couldn’t expplaiin the connecting. generation between abraham and prophet Mohammed …..married a minor girl……tooooo….and married several times at old age too……..y Ramadan for Muslims …….there is nothing like that Christianity andjudaism.anyway abraham and all the prophets before Mohammad was Jews……
What is. The logic behind changing of Jews to apes as all the prophets before Mohammad was Jews including Jesus…ridiculous …..disgusting………
Zahida.
The bible has many translations from the original text that have been found throughout the Middle East. As more and more is understood about the original language and compared against translations throughout history, the bible is actually becoming closer to the original texts, unlike the Koran which had all competing translations burned by one of the rightly guided caliphs. The Sana’a mosque discovery also puts the question of a single Koran version to rest. They found thousands of them with many different translations within a single language. Why aren’t these finds debated? Because they’d make Islam and the Koran look bad. When you refuse to allow people to discuss freely any and all aspects of your religion using threats, then any attempt to make Islam look respectable is destroyed.
There is truth in what Harry Binn is saying. There are strong arguments that this is the Uthmani Qur’an and that there must have been other versions.
No, the Jews were not apes. Muhammad hated them because they would not recognize and perpetuate the myth that he was a true prophet. Here are some reasons from Islam Watch.
1. No extraordinary natural signs before birth of Muhammad, or predictions from past religious characters about arrival of Muhammad to save the world.
2 Islam did not exist at the time Muhammad was born. He was born to an idolater family and that’s what he followed all his childhood and teenage. That means, Muhammad, born as a Qafir (Infidel), spent 70% of his life as a proud infidel before he invented Islam.
3 His first marriage was with a Jewish woman and not with any Muslimah. So, which religious rites were followed at his marriage ceremony with a Jewish woman if Islam wasn’t yet born? Certainly, a Jewish style marriage ceremony! Even the Quran doesn’t mention anything about the Islamic ceremony of Prophet Muhammad’s first marriage. That simply shows that even Muhammad didn’t have any idea of the existence of Islam or his prophecy.
4 If Muhammad was an adorable prophet sent by Allah, then why didn’t he reveal the truth about Islam, when he was a child or when he got young? Why did he waste 40 years of his life as a non-Muslim idolater? If his purpose of coming in this world was only to reveal Islam and preach it to people, then why he had to wait until more than half of his life, living like a common man and practicing idol-worship?
5 Almost all the rituals and rules of Islam mentioned in the Quran are copied from Judaism, which shows how deeply Muhammad was inspired by Judaism and attracted towards the Torah. So, he found copying and pasting from the Torah into his Quran was the easiest way to invent a new religion.
6 Muhammad spread Islam on the point of the sword and not with love and preaching. His strategy was to rule at any price.
7 Muhammad killed poor, innocent and helpless people, which can’t be justified in any sense as act of a holy prophet.
8 How to call Muhammad a holy prophet, when he sexually abused uncountable number of women, including sometimes ridiculously shamefully, like his marriage with minor Aisha and his own daughter-in-law Zainab. That proves that Muhammad was just another powerful dictator, who knew very well how to take advantage of his power and abuse everyone, anywhere and in any way.
9 Muhammad never performed any miracle, which is expected of a prophet. Instead of helping the suffering people, he used to destroy well-settled, peaceful communities, capturing their lands and making the captured children and women slave.
10 In his life, Muhammad did immense harm to humanity but that was not enough for his satanic mind. So, before dying, he left the messages of Jihad to his followers for conquering the whole world, all of humanity, in the name of Islam, which continues causing great sufferings to our lives to this day. Wouldn’t a true prophet sacrifice his own life for his people, instead of destroying lives on every flimsy excuses? It shows that Muhammad was not a prophet – neither in life nor in death.
Which Jewish woman did he marry before marrying Hadhrat Khadija please?
Islam is not solid. It is a medium, like anything else. How do you feel about the encroachment of Zion on Palestinian land, then? One can use a cricket bat, even, to hit a six or to knock out the wicket-keeper, don’t you think?
Ibn ‘Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) came to Madinah and saw the Jews fasting on the day of ‘Ashura’. He said, ‘What is this?’ They said, ‘This is a righteous day, it is the day when Allah saved the Children of Israel from their enemies, so Musa fasted on this day.’ He said, ‘We have more right to Musa than you,’ so he fasted on that day and commanded [the Muslims] to fast on that day.” [Reported by al-Bukhari, 1865] “This is a righteous day” – in a report narrated by Muslim, [the Jews said:] “This is a great day, on which Allah saved Musa and his people, and drowned Pharaoh and his people.” “Musa fasted on this day” – a report narrated by Muslim adds: ” … in thanksgiving to Allah, so we fast on this day.” According to a report narrated by al-Bukhari: ” … so we fast on this day to venerate it.” A version narrated by Imam Ahmad adds: “This is the day on which the Ark settled on Mount Judi, so Nuh fasted this day in thanksgiving,” and “commanded [the MuslimIbn ‘Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) came to Madinah and saw the Jews fasting on the day of ‘Ashura’. He said, ‘What is this?’ They said, ‘This is a righteous day, it is the day when Allah saved the Children of Israel from their enemies, so Musa fasted on this day.’ He said, ‘We have more right to Musa than you,’ so he fasted on that day and commanded [the Muslims] to fast on that day.” [Reported by al-Bukhari, 1865] “This is a righteous day” – in a report narrated by Muslim, [the Jews said:] “This is a great day, on which Allah saved Musa and his people, and drowned Pharaoh and his people.” “Musa fasted on this day” – a report narrated by Muslim adds: ” … in thanksgiving to Allah, so we fast on this day.” According to a report narrated by al-Bukhari: ” … so we fast on this day to venerate it.” A version narrated by Imam Ahmad adds: “This is the day on which the Ark settled on Mount Judi, so Nuh fasted this day in thanksgiving,” and “commanded [the Muslims] to fast on that day” – according to another report also narrated by al-Bukhari: “He said to his Companions: ‘You have more right to Musa than they do, so fast on that day.’ “s] to fast on that day” – according to another report also narrated by al-Bukhari: “He said to his Companions: ‘You have more right to Musa than they do, so fast on that day.’ ”
See Taslima these Hadiths say that Jews fasted this day and that Prophets fasted on this day. You cannot some random unauthentic Hadith and use this as proof. Why did you open you heart for disbelief ?
Yah right???! Muslims are know to say one thing and do another. There are no similarities to Muslims and Jew fasting, even their reasons are not the same. Muslims follow blindly and without understanding. Same with Umar as a good example of a Muslim.
Narrated ‘Abis bin Rabia: ‘Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said “No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you.”
(Bukhari Hadith 1494)
Muslims or Mohammad or his people were not even there when these Hebrews were prosecuted by the Egyptians, and have nothing to do with the Exodus of Moses. The Jews were thankful for their freedom by the Creator and fasted with thanks giving. By the way the Jewish Passover is practiced so differently and has nothing to do with Ramadan or Muslim fasting.
Worst, now Muslims were told to hate Jews and Christians, kill every Jew. and has nothing to do with the Creator liberating the Jews, since now Muslims are all out to kill all Israelites. So antithetical!
Even the saying “You have more right to Musa …” is but a fallacy, and have nothing to do with Mohammad and his people or the Muslims! Since Musa (Moses) was Hebrew and a Jew whose law and commandments were given to him by the Creator are for the Jewish nation, which is not even practiced by Muslims even today.
Excellent article, Taslima, thank you
Thank you for enlightening us. One great fact is Muslims are idol worshipers which they deny.
Anyway prophet mohammed itself says God s people was Israelis and moosa led them against pharaohs .Hajj was not there inold history it was a pagan ritual incorporated in iIslam which was originally done for getting rain by wrshipping sun (Allah) by Arabs how can a normal man reduce 55 prayers which was ordered by allah to 5 prayers a day .is there anything new in Qur’an other than bible and Torah and other Arab star family pagan zorasyrain harrain beliefs .prophet itself says in ishak s geneolgy was false .there was no history of mecca before 4 the century .how can Ibrahim and Ishmael built it.history is from Jews and rituals from Arab culture.Islam claims scientificall right theories .wat is the credibility if mixing all the theories from the all the culture .what is new in Quran and Islam.all friends if ur seeking truth pulse read Islam.in the lights of history.a book came from radar amari after 25 years of research….u will come to know that thasleema nasrin is correct……pulse friends don’t be blind abt anything pulse read this and comment Mr servant of Allah and jonathan
Pulse read .Islam .in the lights of history aby rafat amari an arabian nd come back to jesus
Spiritual truth is so hard to find. So much man made rites,rituals and dogma.
Dear zahida pulse read Islam in thelights of history and be impartial and comment that’s a book written after 20 years of research book written by radar amari an Arabian pulse try to study abt hajj Ramadan fasting kab a
Zahida mam y ur relying on science romans Greeks Arabs were gud on science mixing all culture will be easy for a gud book…..
Y ur saying Muslims are the people of god ….Is there any evidence of hajj Ramadan fasting mecca Ka Abba in Jews Torah because all prophets mentioned in Quran and bible are Jews …..can anyone deny this……nothing in bible and Torah….both were written before Quran ……..mohammed itself says he would not do any miracle ..crescent moon was known as hubol which was Arab Allah before mohammed …..how come crescent moon the symbol of Muslims………pulse comment.y Muslims if people god not doing sabbath….on Saturday…..
Mohammed jiwa sir plse read Islam in the lights of history
Thank you harrry……..one thing is true they follow the rules……but the rules are not worthy to get followed
Hats off harry sir…….gud thoughts
What is the aim of Islam war with other communities if minority……war within them self if majority
Moosa fasted on the day on which Israelis saved from pharaoh……is prophet Mohammad more close to Allah than moosa to say Muslims are more close to moosa than Jews…..moosa is related with Jews. History clearly mentions it .how moosa is related to Muslims…….how can Quran say that Jesus mother Mary is the sister of Aaron ………ridiculous….no geneology credibility in Quran……pulse check bible you can see crystal clear view about generations
Quran says follow the religion of Ibrahim……there was no hajjj.Ramadan….mecca……Kaaba……..in Ibrahim history……….don’t b blind……plse. think from all angles…….bible is not single man view it says abt all prophets of times………how can it be wrong……….only Ishmael as son of Ibrahim……what abt others in Quran………issac …….and others ……..pulse comment Israelis (jews) are the only people of god …..all prophets except mohammed was Jews……..followed Judaism………then y only mohammed follows paganism……..hubol crescent moon……Ramadan an Arab festival……hajj…..prayer to sun god for rain by pagan culture……
Mr MD Suleiman check in quran…when did Jews change to apes……..up to Jesus all prophets mentioned in Torah and bible are jJews including abraham and moses ………pulse check Quran says Aron sister was Mary…..mother of Jesus………ridiculous …….unknown…….disgusting……..y no Sabbath in Quran….if Muslims are the people of god……….from Adam to Jesus …..they used to worship in saturday
What kind of anti monotheism golden calf propaganda lie is this? Just because Moslems are destroying all wicked usurers . Absolutely wicked and evil liars you golden calf worshiper dogs of rome you are. What a waste billions like you will soon find out hell does exist and we will laugh at your begging to go back anf be good cries. Hahahhaaa HAHAHAHAAAA
Instead or arguing on does Islam copy from pagan, why don’t we do some research why do those pagan have similarities with Islam? Is it really true to say Islam copy from pagan or vice versa?Why do the similarities appear at first?
Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah, p. 184
Umm, Abu Talib’s daughter, said: The apostle went on no journey except while he was at my house. He slept in my house that night after he prayed the final night prayer. A little before dawn he woke us, saying, “O Umm, I went to Jerusalem. He got up to go out and I grabbed hold of his robe and laid bare his belly. I pleaded, “O Muhammad, don’t tell the people about this for they will know you are lying and will mock you”. He said, “By Allah, I will tell them. I told a Negress slave of mine, Follow him and listen.
Here, Muhammad conjured up one of the most preposterous lies ever uttered in the name of religion. How did this lie got into the Koran since surah 17.1 present the night journey as a factual event. Islamic Allah has misled every single Muslims throughout the ages into thinking that this was a truthful event.
Sahih muslim book 008, hadith number 3240
Jabir reported that Allah’s messenger (SAW) saw a woman, and so he came to his wife, zainab, as she was tanning a leather and had sexual intercourse with her. He then went to his companions and told them: The woman advances and retires in the shape of a devil, so when one of you sees a woman, he should come to his wife, for that will repel what he feels in his heart.
Here, Muhammad mock his own wife after he has had his sexual lust satisfied with Zainab, formerly the wife of his own adopted son.
I’m not an expert on the BIBLE but an average one. Some commentators here alleged that the BIBLE is revised or altered every two years. This accusation is purely unfounded. These wicked Muslims wanted nothing but to twist facts as they cant provide facts as to which part of the BIBLE has been corrupted. Put forward your claim as to which word of GOD has been altered. Christians and Jews know full well that altering GOD’S word amounted to blasphemy, and hence incur grave punishment from the Holy Creator. Verses in the BIBLE has and will never be altered, but might revised it’s interpretations. Revision in interpretation of a given verses does not amount to altering GOD’S words.
Now I want to turn my attention to the Quran
Surah Muhammad 47:19 Muhammad is a SINNER
So know (O Muhammad) that there is no Allah save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and believing women. Allah knoweth (both) your place of turmoil and your place of rest.
Here, the Quran acknowledged Muhammad a Sinner.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770:
Narrated Abu Huraira: The people said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the day of Resurrection?”
He replied, “Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?” They replied in the negative. He said, “You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the day of resurrection, people will be gathered and he will order the people to follow what they used to worship. Some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, ‘I am your Lord.’ They will say, ‘We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. The Allah will come to them again and say, ‘I am your Lord.’ They will say, ‘You are our Lord.’ Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid ACROSS HELL and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the apostles to cross it with MY FOLLOWERS. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, ‘O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.’
There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa’adan in Hell. “Have you seen the thorns of Sa’adan? “The people said, “Yes.” He said, “These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa’adan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whoever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostration, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of prostration. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons. The water of life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water…”
According to this Hadith, Muhammad is not in Heaven but in “Hell,” awaiting for the arrival of the “Day of Judgment” to get into heaven.
By virtue of Surah Muhammad 47:19, being a sinner, can Muhammad intercede for followers and believers of Islam on the day of judgment? The answer to that will be a resounding “NO.”
Good read, obviously, this article , was written after a goof reason, but as usual restless-emotional muslim troll will , as usual, be in denial,comment ,with long copy/paste with irrational -illogical comments, abuse the person, and even abuse other faith,if they have to, in order to deviate or mislead, finally play victim after doing all this…After all what else could one expect from the followers of a peaceful, compassionate and merciful religion of all times
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Hi everyone, I am the more ignorance person in the word, but thanks God i still have my on opinion. What i know for fact That all the 3 books got i lot of contradiction. But one thing that all of the 3 books had said and i believe in that…there is only one God there is no one after Him. ( The first commandment ) and is in that what i really believe, Does not matter, anything else. If true that God read our heart He will be upset with all of us. No because we tried to find out if He exist or no, Or which book is the best or never change. But because after that in all of the books God said do not judge, do not kill, ( without reason) do not be racist. but we still hate each ether. When i read all of your messages I sow a lot of educate people that used beautiful worlds, ( honest I will like be the same).But behind them a lot of hates. when I read, The Holy Torah, the Holy bible and the Holy Quran , I find peace, and I think that is miracle( for me). Whatever religion we believe does not change the fact of all of us were created by GOD. Sorry if I offend you, its was not my intention. I am apologize for my horrible English.
YESi
After going through the comments what I got to know every one up there is to defend their religion and for that they had even cross the line of civilized behaviour , I’m not a anti muslim or supporter of any other religion , but what I got to learn is only those who tries to defend by the sake of their religion are only fools who forgot the humantarian grounds which is the bigesst and the supreme religion, if they really did read their holly books or teaching of their gods they must not be fighting like this as the conclusion of every holly book is the lord is supreme some pray them as idols some pray in diffrent manner but the lord is same eithier you him by name of lord shiva , prophet , christ or by any name , its better you follow their teachings not the teachings by the people now who claims to be the protector of religion , and one more thing I guess it is no where in islam stated that to force people to get converted into muslim against their will or to make them compel to do by bets like that idiot so called Dr. Zakir Niak do.
Any way truth shall prevail at the end. Let us see. Dr. Zakir Naik speaks of only Vedas but not of Puranas where God is personal Krishna and also impersonal formless Brahma.
All the muslims here who believe in islam and allah,please dont talk with such a person who is alwys against islam…our efforts has been spreading in such a awy that even non muslim scholars say that islam is only the religion which is spreading fastly in the whole world.
Tasleema Nasreen is nothing but a shaitan in islam,,,,
she has not read Quran,,,,
If she will read Quran than certainly she will change her views regarding islam…
YE JAHIL LOG YE NAHI JAANTE KI INKE SAATH QAYAMAT ME KYA HASHR HOGA….YE SIRF WOH INSAAN HAI JINHONE HAMESHA ISLAM KO GALATNAZAR SE DEKHA HAI.AGAR YE DHANGS E EK BAAR QURAN PADHENGE NA TO INKE AANSU NAHI RUKENGE…
TASLEEMA NASREEN KOJO AP LOG DR ZAKIR NAIK KE SAATH COMPARE KAR RAHE HO WO BAHUT GALAT HAI…TASLEEMA NASREEN KI ITNI AUKAAT NAHI HAI KIW OH DR ZAKIR NAIK KE SAAMNE TIK PAAYEIN.KAHAN DR ZAIK NAIK JAISA ALIM AUR KAHAN TASLEEMA JAISA NO.1 JAHIL……I LOVE MY INDIA..
Are bhaijan! English me likho na. Samajhne me dushwari hoti hai
I read the article but it seems like the author is missing one important point (or ignoring) . Muhammad( the message of Islam) wasn’t a new religion but a confirmation of the unadulterated Truth that was revealed to the Multiverses since the first of Creation. It was a message as a confirmation and cleanser of the earlier messages revealed. Hence the term “adoption” is not suitable. The Source of the message is the same. Hence, commonalities are not surprising, In fact, i find it as an affirmation of the Source being the same. Muslims believe it is Allah. However, one could notice some changes, and Muslims believe those changes are purifications of the Message, from The Source. Of course, believers of other Faith may differ in opinion. And unto each is the right to choose what to believe in!
(Not an expert, but this is how i have understood. I can talk to an expert to get more details if required)
Excellent post! And partly funny, too! However, in my opinion, Ramadan is nothing but just a tool to control millions of people posthumously by making them observe a certain discipline they can never even dare to get rid of. And this entire thing is devised by Muhammad, so that he gains immortality in human history.
Dear fellow human beings
Peace and blessings
Humans speak many languages and there is a term for the wonderful architect of this universe in every language. Allah in Arabic, Shiva in Sanskrit, Khuda in Persian and god in English and so on. No language is superior or holy. it is just a tool to express human feelings for each other.
Creator sent his message to every community in their own language by choosing sincere persons from their community and this process is still on.
It’s the rulers along with their products (Mullahs, priests, rabbis etc) created religion by distorting the meanings of the original scriptures. Actually all the known scriptures are against religion.They are nothing but the books of human rights.
All the scriptures direct human beings to use their common sense and reflect on the words so that message will become clear to them. But unfortunately common sense is not a common commodity.
The essence of all the known scriptures is ” No human being should exploit another human being”
Religion is based on personality cults which leads to killings. How can there be a peace with lots of man made religions. people blindly follow their forefathers without critically examining their faith.
I am on the path of peacefulness(Arabic term Islam. not a religion) and i am at peace(Muslim in Arabic language).
However Allah cannot be translated. Mustafa Kemal Pasha had to bear the ire of the Muslims in Turkey when he used the Turkish word ‘Tari’ instead of Allah.
Dear friends, Please stop casting aspersions on prophet Mohammed (P.B.U.H.). It is really heart rending to read that. However, as regards to pagan practices, these have been retained in Islam especially in the rituals of Hajj and Umrah. That is not a issue because Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, the youngest son of prophet Abraham and Ezra.This has been clarified in the Quran. The Arab Calendar is different from the Islamic one and more close to the Jews. All Christian Arabs and Shias follow it. Allah is equivalent to the Aramaic term for God Eloi. The parallel word in Arabic is Ilahi/Ilaha. So when someone claims that Islam is not connected with Judaic religions it is false. Prophet Mohammed came to establish mono-theism and end tribal rivalry thus leading to a unified Arab nation with a power to rule the world. Islamic conquests during that time was a part of jehad or crusade of the Jews and Christians and all are enjoined to liberate Jerusalem/ Betlehem. So no issue again.Islam is definitely the religion of the pre-decessors Abraham, Moses and Jesus.
Quran is not un-scientific; science is still in the evolutions of the mystries of nature; to support I would only say that science declared SUN as stationary which was supported by many scholars up to mid 70s when the truth about perpetual orbits became known to scientists. Quran speaks of all heavenly bodies revolving perpetually. In surah Yasin, “wa kullun fee flalkin yasbahun’. Moreover, it is not copied from the bible or torah, rather most comprehensive of the revealed books. I have read all these books, why don’t you. Assumptions and illusions can not negate the prevailing truths.
i went on the hajj to mecca some years ago. it felt like a pagan pilgimmage to me .and it felt stupid.walk around a black stone.walk between safa and marwa mounts.throwing stones at an obelisk supposed to be the devil. it reminded me how a woman is stoned to death by a cruel merciless crowd for adultery.taking the law unto their own hands. sacrificing animals-kurbans. i thought why does islam have these pagan like rituals.
i thought even the 5 prayers smells like sun worship. i used my mind and left islam. my faith in the One and Only God is more now.i feel closer to God now that i have left pagan islam.
wake up o muslims. we have been duped
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
in the current world we are living, lets learn to embrace each other belief and stop shooting down one other beliefs.
There’s too much hate already.
time to spread more love, tolerance and understanding regardless of religion.
I have studied religion for 42 years. Most word religions follow pagan teachings such as the immortality of the soul, or hell fire….. and there are many more teachings that come from ancient paganism. Most world religions teach some form of the immortality of the soul: Christians who do not follow the Bible, Islam and even Hinduism. Study the Bible and you will see it says the following: Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 World English Bible (WEB) 19 For that which happens to the sons of men happens to animals. Even one thing happens to them. As the one dies, so the other dies. Yes, they have all one breath (original word is Spirit) ; and man has no advantage over the animals: for all is vanity. 20 All go to one place. All are from the dust, and all turn to dust again. 20 The whole are going unto one place, the whole have been from the dust, and the whole are turning back unto the dust.
Ezekiel 18:4King James Version (KJV) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
The Bible also says that in death there is no knowledge, thinking or emotions….. and it informs us that the original lie told by Satan was this: “You shall not die”. Unfortunately, most people believe this lie and believe that the soul does not die. Islam borrowed this teaching from Christians in the 7th century because this had already been accepted as a church doctrine during the time of Constantine the Great in the 4th century CE. This idea spread to all other Christian religions and Islam. However, there are Christians who do not follow these pagan traditions – but they are a minority today.
Hey!!! All you clowns fighting over gods and religion, please read this joke below which actually took place and you’ll realise how silly you all are.
The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so “profound” that the professor shared it with colleagues via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.
Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle’s Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let’s look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell.
With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle’s Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.
This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, “it will be a cold day in Hell before I go out with you”, and take into account the fact that I went out with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over.
The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore extinct . . . leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being, which explains why last night Teresa kept shouting “Oh, my God!”
Human created the Religions. The Religion created the Gods. And the earth was partitioned amongst human, religion and Gods!
The Bible does not teach that there is a burning Hell. This is a teaching that comes from ancient pagan religions and has been superimposed on the Bible and other religions together with the teaching of the immortality of the soul. Ezekiel 18 : 4 says ” The soul that sinneth, it shall die.” The lie that Satan told Adam and Eve to entice them to choose independence from God’s right to choose “good and bad” for them was: “Ye shall not surely die”. The following scripture is important: Ecclesiastes 3: 19 & 20 ” For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. (We die the same as animals and go to the same place – dust – some people are shocked when they learn this Truth). Ecclesiastes 9:10 “Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.”
Humans will be resurrected (animals not). They will be resurrected from the common grave of mankind (dust) – where they all are now. As I said: those who believe that the soul lives on after death is believing a lie.
Ha Ha ha!
Be Abrahamic or not does not matter. Arabic and European culture is to adopt things from others and then claim that is their.
Jesus born in Bethlehem crucified in Jerusalem. Can you find a coniferous tree in Deseret? From where the Christmas Tree came from, from wgere Stories of Santa-cowls came. Church bells were no where in Jews temples nor even in Bible. Bell metal was invented by India and Bells were sent to all over the world by Emperor AshoKa. it is a Buddhist culture. Kaba was actually known as Gabha in Sanskrit ( means “Graha Barbha” or Womb of the Earth. ) . The Black stone is Shiva Jyotirlingam ! This Shiva temple was given to Mlechcha jaati developed by “Anu” the 2nd son of King Yayati. Arab name came from Sanskrit name Arabhya Pradesh (Means land of Horses).
King Yayati was Chandravanshi Skhatriya. Means they belong to clan of Moon GOD. That is why pagen or Mlechcha jaati use to pray Moon god. Anu was given a cut on penis by his father before exiled for life. That is why Muslims cut their penis.
Islam can easily accept my thoughts as they say they are the last development of what called religion in this world. So all the rituals can come from others are their very own. But as Hinduism id principle based not comandments. It believes in change as the only constant and gives space to develop every time. Islam and Christianity stopped in Quran and Bible. Sikhism is another development that Quran failed to accept.
Christmas and Easter and many other festivals are ancient pagan festivals that were incorporated into the Christian religion by Constantine the Great – together with the teaching of hell fire, immortality of the soul and Trinity doctrine to name only a few pagan ideas prevalent in Christendom today.. Constantine was a pagan, who, for political reasons amalgamated the pagan and Christian religion to gain and retain political power. The Bible does not teach any of these teachings – so many Christian religions superimpose these ideas onto the Bible but these ideas are not in the Bible. Islam also has the pagan ideas of Hell fire and immortality of the soul as major teachings.
Moon worship as well as worship of the sun was widespread in the entire middle east and Egypt….2100 BCE… long before the Bible and the Veda were written. Islam grew out of the moon and star worship and borrowed from Christians, Jews and ancient Persian religion such as the idea of the Jinn.
No evidence is given in this article for the main claim that Ramadan fasting is a preislamic ritual . The only point made is “Ramadan fasting came later from Sabian tradition.” with no actual evidence provided
We know non muslims didn’t fast Ramadan. Ramadan fasting was enjoined because of the revelation of the Quran. So if the Sabians fasted Ramadan that is really strange.
I am a Quranist and I am not yet convinced that fasting as we see today is what God told us to do. The verses do not agree. The whole eat and drink written in Arabic is a phrase that means enjoy. But I am not gonna hate a ritual just because it was done once by pagans. All holybooks and religions have signs of God. Some things get corrupted and our mainstream Islam is not even close to how it is designed in the Quran.
Lies! Lies! Lies!
In your propaganda, you wrote, “The Islamic historians believe that the black stone was a pagan deity called ‘Al-Lat’, one of the three daughters of Allah, the Pagan moon-god. She was once venerated as a cubic rock at Ta’if in Arabia.”
Whereas Allah has no daughters. Stop misleading people. Other parts of your propaganda are surely based on lies, too.
Religions teach many lies…. it is up to the individual to go and investigate and not just believe what he is taught.
Mohammad even mentioned Allah had three daughters. The Allah of his ancestors. He only chose to worship Allah alone. Are you still in denial?
A person who is very fashion conscious will
always wear all these things after giving much thought about it.
I have only one question. Why Soooooo much palaver about mythology?
Actually the first religion were animistic, from which then developed later religions
I don’t doubt what you’re saying is true, but I still want your citations to verify your sources. I know of many inaccurate wacko Christian sites who make these claims to defend their own beliefs. So I want to be sure you’re not quoting them, even by accident.
Though I just realized you may never respond to this, as the last comment was from over 3 years ago. But whatever, I’ll wait and see.
Wait. It was actually a few months ago. Maybe I will get a response!
This website truly has all of the information and facts I wanted concerning this subject and didn’t know who
to ask.
This is a horrible piece of work. There are errors everywhere. I came here hoping to learn something, instead I see a clown’s writing.
1. Ashura has nothing to do with Ramadan. Ashura is also a JEWISH holiday. As you said, the one day Ashura fast was made optional, after Ramadan was made mandatory. As for the sabians, if they celebrated Ramadan for 30 days, then even better. The Sabians are considered to be among the true monotheistic faith. Islam is a continuation of those faiths.
2. The last few hadiths, you didn’t cite properly, how can I find those supposed hadiths? Or am I supposed to be like the other 98% of the world, unwilling to seek the truth and too lazy.
3. You made a statement that the Quran makes unscientific comments on Ramadan and mention 3. However, only one is about Ramadan.
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You are stupid. You don’t even have respect for your. Islam is a complete way of life. Like it or not. There are millions of fools like u who have bad feeling’s for Islam but they didn’t change anything and you neither cannot change it. A great believed. I’ve Muhammed peace and blessings of be upon him.
Yes, very good anti Islam fanaticism! Muhammad stolen knowledge from Christians. I studied bible and know that it gets revised edition every two years. Quran is so far the same (New York museum). look at this, is that in bible?
THE QUR’AN AND THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION
Qur’an: “I have created everything from water”.
Darwin: “Animals evolved from the most simple form to the most complex form gradually.
According to the modern scientists, the first life on earth was “Cyanobacteria”. Next came “Archeobacteria”. Cyanobacteria use carbon as the source of carbon for making food. The oxygen is released in the atmosphere.
After the very birth of the earth, the atmosphere was shrouded by clouds of carbon dioxide. There was no oxygen. The oxygen released from cyanobacteria eventually came to a concentration suitable for oxygen utilizing organisms e.g. organisms that need oxygen for respiration. In the presence of oxygen, new combinations appear in water like iron oxide. At this point, archeobacteria evolved by changes in the cyanobacteria.
Human being has the complete set of DNAs of this Archeobacteria and the order of gene sequence is same as that of the bacteria. It was proven after 20 years of worldwide research. These genes are present in the Mitochondria of each cell of our body; and it is present in the same combination and sequential order of DNAs and genes in each human being. The statistical
Qur’an: I have created all human being from a single pair of man and woman”.
Activities of genes depend on their sequence of their arrangement. It has been proven that this sequence is also same for the above mentioned bacteria and human mitochondria. Each gene is composed of three pairs of DNA. These DNAs doesn’t have complete similarity with each other for a single gene. From the total of 4 DNAs (1pair+1pair=2pairs) a little more than 300 gene combination is possible. The production of a particular amino acid depends on the sequence of these three pairs of DNA. Some time for a particular gene, there may be repetitions of the same DNA pair. We get the mitochondrial genes from the ovum of our mother. There is no mitochondrion in the male sperm. Moreover, statistical difference between the chromosomes of all the human being is only 0.1%.
DNAs are present one after another lengthwise in each chromosome. If we stretch the entire chromosomes of a single nucleus of a single cell, it will be thousands and thousands mile long. Human beings use only 1% of this long chromosome; 99% remain inactive. Rest remain inactive. Research on these remaining genes has proven that they are genes of other creations. Even, we have the gene /genes of plant! For this reason, human being can trap UV light in its skin and produce Vit. D. Besides, we also have all the plant proteins in our body.
Human chromosome also contains the genes of animals. In the uterus a human being gradually changes shape from a single cell to warm and then fish like appearance even with gills!!! The embryo does respiration through these gills until placenta is formed. Before that, the embryo gets oxygen by diffusion. Animals with lungs don’t breath in womb.
Recently the gene of the extinct animal Neanderthal has been found in human chromosomes.
When one specific gene, called the primer gene starts working for a particular amino acid the other genes come to work in a sequential order and a protein is produced by this way. Example, Production of a particular hormone. If one gene is the sequence is absent the whole system is upset and by this way genetic diseases happen.
The duty of gene/genes is to produce amino acid. Production of a particular protein depends on the sequential arrangement of amino acids. Protein is called the “Building Block”. In our body, all the functions are done and regulated by protein substances. Besides, the form of the body is also protein. The important things are that all the hormones are protein except two groups; corticosteroid hormones and male -female sex hormones. All the neurotransmitters are also protein; all the enzymes are protein. Without these three things, no a life on earth can be born, developed and stay alive. Absence of only one enzyme is enough for causing a hereditary disease.
Quran: “I have revitalised the dead earth and redistributed all sort of animal and plant life on that”.
Darwin: Natural Selection: Struggle for existence and survival of the fittest.
This sentence of the Quran has been translated different by different translators. Some of the examples are below:
Verily in the creation of the heavens and the earth, the alternation of night and day, the sailing ship at sea to bring what is useful for humans, and what God sent down from heaven in the form of water, then with water that he turn the earth after its death (dry) and his He spread the earth was all kinds of animals, an pengisaran wind and clouds which are controlled between the heavens and the earth was (found) signs (oneness and greatness of Allah) for people who reflect. (Surah Al Baqoroh verse 2:164)
Verse (2:164) – English Translation
Word by Word
Quran Dictionary
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Chapter (2) sūrat l-baqarah (The Cow)
Sahih International: Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and earth, and the alternation of the night and the day, and the [great] ships which sail through the sea with that which benefits people, and what Allah has sent down from the heavens of rain, giving life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and dispersing therein every [kind of] moving creature, and [His] directing of the winds and the clouds controlled between the heaven and the earth are signs for a people who use reason.
Pickthall: Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of night and day, and the ships which run upon the sea with that which is of use to men, and the water which Allah sendeth down from the sky, thereby reviving the earth after its death, and dispersing all kinds of beasts therein, and (in) the ordinance of the winds, and the clouds obedient between heaven and earth: are signs (of Allah’s Sovereignty) for people who have sense.
Yusuf Ali: Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise.
Shakir: Most surely in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day, and the ships that run in the sea with that which profits men, and the water that Allah sends down from the cloud, then gives life with it to the earth after its death and spreads in it all (kinds of) animals, and the changing of the winds and the clouds made subservient between the heaven and the earth, there are signs for a people who understand.
Muhammad Sarwar: The creation of the heavens and the earth, the alternation of nights and days, the ships that sail in the sea for the benefit of the people, the water that God sends from the sky to revive the dead earth where He has scattered all kinds of animals, the winds of all directions, and the clouds rendered for service between the sky and the earth are all evidence (of His existence) for those who use their reason.
Mohsin Khan: Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, and the ships which sail through the sea with that which is of use to mankind, and the water (rain) which Allah sends down from the sky and makes the earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving (living) creatures of all kinds that He has scattered therein, and in the veering of winds and clouds which are held between the sky and the earth, are indeed Ayat (proofs, evidences, signs, etc.) for people of understanding.
Arberry: .. Surely in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of night and day and the ship that runs in the sea with profit to men, and the water God sends down from heaven therewith reviving the earth after it is dead and His scattering abroad in it all manner of crawling thing, and the turning about of the winds and the clouds compelled between heaven and earth — surely there are signs for a people having understanding.
According to scientists, during the era of Dinosaurs’ (Triassic-Jurassic extinction event) repeated appearance of volcanic eruption resulting of shaking of the earth killed all of the land animals. Some of the water creatures are still alive e.g. crocodile and some fishes. Some of the seeds escaped as those were sheltered within cracks of the earth e.g. Palms and Linden.
I have read the Bengali translation of three translators. Among the translators one an eminent veteran in Muslim theology has translated that sentence as “I have destroyed those animals which were harmful to you”. My father didn’t know much about the dinosaurs and the causes of their destruction but was very proficient in Arabic language. When I told this sentence to my father he told me that the rest of this sentence; “and even those who were similar in appearance with you”. Who are these similar creatures?
In the earth there had been two man like creatures; Neanderthal and Cro Magnon. We studied about these animals in the history book. Then they were called “Primitive Humans” who liver during the old and new stone ages. They were during more than one ICE AGES. Cause of destruction was lack of enough intelligence to survive in cold. These animals at last ate one another for survival: fossil study revealed that.
About the atmosphere; we know that there is a 7and a half mile wide gaseous atmosphere surrounding the earth surface; There after infinite vacuum. Rest of this sentence I think everybody knows the explanation.
Darwin: Human being evolved from Apes.
Quran doesn’t admit that. According to the Quran one group of disobedient Jews were turned into Apes to punish there sin; May be by genetic mutation. Besides, modern scientists are equivocal about this fact. Some scientists don’t even believe the theory of evolution. Recently, the gene of the 1st mentioned has been found while doing research on human gene map. Though human genome has the genes of all organisms, may be absence of the primer/other gene/genes suppresses their expression.
Human brain has a special system that is called the pyramidal system. For the presence of this system, humans can do writing, sewing, painting and many other things that need fine motor skills. In some animals this system is present in a very rudimentary level e.g. Guinea Pig and Apes. Cursed Jews might have been turned into Apes though genetic mutation.
My comment: Though God has kept the characteristics of all animals in human being; His intention was to express only the decent qualities. Don’t we express animal behaviour in our nature (fighting with each other)? Yes, but in very sophisticated manner and that’s why now a days it is called “Nerve War”
Nasreen
July 26’ 2012
Were the Jews really changed to Apes? Would you kindly comment more in detail?
Muslims certainly do, look at the suicide bombers all over the world.
Nasreen, you filthy Muslim bastard, son of a pig! Only Allah the Satan would find a prophet like Muhammed who raped, enslaved, looted, beheaded, terrorized, tortured, and committed numerous sexually perverted acts! You Muslims are Sons of Satan for worshiping a bastard demon such as Muhammed. All you Muslims put together are not even worth a single grain of salt. This is your worth. Even apes and monkeys and donkey are more useful to mankind that you Sons of Satan Muslims.
Only a demon would worship a fellow demon such as Muhammed.
Hi, I am avid Quran dissector. And some of your hypothesis also inline with mine.
I would like to discuss or sharing further, can you advise how I can reach you?
Wow so many numbskulls in one place. Fascinating. This dude taslimas essay looks like its been copied by any other anti islam orientelist website. He or she needs to ask the creator of the heavens and the earth for guidance on life.
You are stupid. You don’t even have respect for your. Islam is a complete way of life. Like it or not. There are millions of fools like u who have bad feeling’s for Islam but they didn’t change anything and you neither cannot change it. A great believed. I’ve Muhammed peace and blessings of be upon him.
I want to read an authentic Bengali translation of the Holy Quran. Can you upload its file in.pdf format.