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Wait, you mean I voted for the right guy for a change?

The Democratic governor of the state of Minnesota gave a State of the State speech yesterday, and actually made a strong statement.

Let me mention one other cause, which is controversial, but consistent with my faith [I am biting my tongue, let's not quibble here --pzm] and my principles. And, more importantly, consistent with this country’s founding principles and its Constitution. I believe that every Minnesotan should have the freedom to marry legally the person she or he loves, whether of the same or other sex.

Last year, Minnesotans began a conversation about why marriage matters, and we found our common belief that it is about love, commitment, and responsibility. I want Minnesota to be a state, which affirms that freedom for one means freedom for everyone, and where no one is told it is illegal to marry the person you love.

Doesn’t that just make so much sense?

Comments

  1. The Mellow Monkey says

    And once again, Minnesota attempts to woo me away from Wisconsin.

    …not a difficult task these days, sadly.

  2. glodson says

    Meanwhile in Texas, we are sprinting towards regressive polices. Fucking Rick Perry.

    It is good though, it is good that a governor of a state says that people should have the legal right to marry whoever they will.

  3. says

    It’s a good thing Dayton won too. The guy he was running against in 2010 was not only as regressive and conservative as one can be; if elected, Tom Emmer would have been the dumbest governor in the country, even dumber than Rick Perry, Bobby Jindal and all those other wackaloons. So good vote PZ!

  4. Matt Penfold says

    Meanwhile in the UK we have just had a vote in the House of Commons in which the Prime Minister had to rely on the votes of the opposition to get enough votes in order than his legislation legalizing same-sex marriage would pass the second stage of its process of being law. Over 50% of Tory MPs voted against the bill. And to think Cameron introduced it to show how modern his party is!

  5. truthspeaker says

    The Mellow Monkey

    7 February 2013 at 10:55 am (UTC -6)

    And once again, Minnesota attempts to woo me away from Wisconsin.

    …not a difficult task these days, sadly.

    There’s a bill in the Minnesota legislature to allow liquor to be sold on Sunday. If that passes, you can move here and not even have to travel back to Wisconsin on Sundays.

  6. Thomathy, Gay Where it Counts says

    [...] allow liquor to be sold on Sunday.

    Just when I think there may be a part of the States getting progressive, I’m reminded of just how far left there is to go and on such silly matters as purchasing alcohol.

    It seems incredibly odd that a place can consider equality legislation before legislation on whether or not alcohol can be sold on a Christian day of worship.

    That’s fucked up. Still, good to hear about a state governor talking about equality positively. And, still, so fucked up.

  7. David Marjanović says

    ND = more and more suckage
    MN = less and less suckage

    ND sucks the suckage out of MN.

    (…”Why does the wind go north to south in OK? Because TX sucks and KS blows.”)

  8. robro says

    There’s a bill in the Minnesota legislature to allow liquor to be sold on Sunday.

    What!!? Minnesota still has blue laws? OMG…I am so glad I live in a civilized part of the world.

  9. shouldbeworking says

    “There’s a bill in the Minnesota legislature to allow liquor to be sold on Sunday. If that passes, you can move here and not even have to travel back to Wisconsin on Sundays.”

    WTF? Alberta has allowed that for decades. I’m shocked to find that our Conservative Party is ahead of you people in something other than RightWing pro big business loony tunes.

  10. bradleybetts says

    @Matt Penfold

    It still has to pass the Lords though doesn’t it? This was pointed out to me when I got all jubilant about it yesterday :(

    I mean, I’m confident it will pass, there’ll be a massive public backlash if it doesn’t (he says with his optimism hat on) but I can’t celebrate yet.

  11. says

    What!!? Minnesota still has blue laws? OMG…I am so glad I live in a civilized part of the world.

    most states have odd and random rules about alcohol sales. and unfortunately, I occasionally hear mumblings about introducjng some such in european countries, too. to protect the children from binge drinking, and the poors from alcoholism/

  12. David Wilford says

    Kudos to Governor Dayton on endorsing same-sex civil marriage, and credit too for him pushing for more progressive taxation that calls for a 1/3 property, 1/3 sales and 1/3 income tax ratio.

  13. David Wilford says

    Oh, and a big thanks to Governor Dayton for pushing for more education funding too, which has been cut severely over the past decade.

  14. magistramarla says

    This governor’s words should be quoted often in every state legislature.
    Yes, alcohol sales on Sunday is a nice progressive surprise for those of us who have lived in the regressive states. When I moved to Ca from Tx, I was a bit shocked to find the local liquor store open on Sunday. My friend who is a local asked “Why would it not be open?”
    The most regressive state that we have lived in was Ok. We had just closed on our first home, and I was cooking a special meal to celebrate. I was looking for the wine aisle in the grocery store, and a clerk told me that I had to go next door to the state controlled liquor store. I put my groceries in the car, put my baby in his carrier, and stepped into the liquor store. I was kicked out! My six-month-old son was the reason! I was shocked.
    I called the hubby and asked him to pick up the wine on the AF base.
    Of course we have been able to thumb our noses at the regressive state laws, since we are able to buy our booze on base. We have always been able to buy it on Sunday, even with our kids in the store with us. And guess what? None of them have grown up to be alcoholics.

  15. says

    So, in his State of the State statement, the state governor stated… oh never mind.

    Matt Penfold (#5):

    Yes, several conservatives are voicing empty objections (“But my philosophy states that everything needs to stay the same… justification for my philosophy? No, I don’t need one of those.”) Thankfully the conservative prime minister seems to be genuinely pushing in the right (correct) direction. Is this a true reflection of the leadership of British conservatism, or is Cameron making up for stabbing his Liberal deputy in the back over voting reform (after Clegg convinced his party to about-turn on tuition fees)?

  16. burgundy says

    I know this is a small detail, but I’m really happy that he said “whether the same or other sex” rather than “whether the same or opposite sex.” I hate “opposite sex.” Male and female are not opposites, they’re just different. And opposite implies only two options, whereas “other” allows for diversity.

  17. slowdjinn says

    Matt Penfold #5

    Over 50% of Tory MPs voted against the bill. And to think Cameron introduced it to show how modern his party is!

    And he succeeded.

  18. Rich Woods says

    @aggressivePerfector #16:

    Is this a true reflection of the leadership of British conservatism, or is Cameron making up for stabbing his Liberal deputy in the back over voting reform (after Clegg convinced his party to about-turn on tuition fees)?

    To be fair to Cameron (whom I have no time for as a rule), I think he does see this as an equality issue — not that his attitude to women has always been impressive — and he has acted accordingly. I also think he expected better from his party, but misjudged it. Instead, it has been an absolute delight for the rest of us, watching the bigots out themselves and listening to their absurd and irrational excuses (I’m looking at you, Mad Nad).

  19. DaveH says

    @ #12 Jadehawk:

    most states have odd and random rules about alcohol sales. and unfortunately, I occasionally hear mumblings about introducjng some such in european countries, too. to protect the children from binge drinking, and the poors from alcoholism/

    If that was the case, then the closed days should be Thursday/Friday/Saturday, day before holidays, etc.

  20. Moggie says

    Doesn’t that just make so much sense?

    So? You’ve argued with the opponents of marriage equality: making sense isn’t high on their list of priorities. If anything, making sense is something they actively avoid.

  21. ImaginesABeach says

    There’s a bill in the Minnesota legislature to allow liquor to be sold on Sunday.

    Minnesota still has blue laws regarding the sale of automobiles and alcohol to be taken off the premises Sundays. The opposition to changing the alcohol law has usually been from non-chain retailers, not religious. These non-chain retailers want to have a day off without losing business to the chain retailers. Here’s what was said after the same proposal died last year: “It wasn’t the big liquor stores that came in (to testify on previous measures); it was the small ones — the mom and pops came in and said, ‘you’re going to take six days of revenue and spread it over seven days,'” Rep. Joe Atkins, DFL-Inver Grove Heights, answered.
    http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/archive/2012/03/sunday_liquor_sales_dies_again.shtml

  22. qwerty says

    Yes, you cannot buy liquor on Sundays in Minnesota, but you can go to the local bar and order a drink. Doesn’t make sense, but a few blue laws are still in effect. (You can’t buy a car here on Sunday either.)

    Anyhow, it’s no surprise that Dayton supports same-sex marriage. I still remember his support for ending Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell when he was our senator.

    It is nice to see him being so forthright about it.

  23. qwerty says

    Don’t get too depressed Wisconsinites, you elected Tammy Baldwin while us Minnesotans still have Michelle Bachman. (I am glad I am not in her district.)

  24. truthspeaker says

    aggressivePerfector

    7 February 2013 at 12:40 pm (UTC -6) Link to this comment

    Matt Penfold (#5):

    Yes, several conservatives are voicing empty objections (“But my philosophy states that everything needs to stay the same… justification for my philosophy? No, I don’t need one of those.”) Thankfully the conservative prime minister seems to be genuinely pushing in the right (correct) direction. Is this a true reflection of the leadership of British conservatism

    From across the water, it looks to me like Cameron sees which way the wind of social attitudes is blowing, and he’s positioning his party for the future. He knows that there are younger voters who favor same-sex marriage but still want to gut the welfare state, and he wants to make sure his party doesn’t turn lose them by looking like dinosaurs.

  25. says

    If that was the case, then the closed days should be Thursday/Friday/Saturday, day before holidays, etc.

    actually, the proposed bans I was talking about were about forbidding sales at night, for example

  26. DaveH says

    @Jadehawk:

    actually, the proposed bans I was talking about were about forbidding sales at night, for example

    At least some modicum of sense then. Banning sales at times when the most likely impulse buys would be occuring. I highly doubt that such laws would be very effective in curbing binging, and the debate would be whether or not the inconvience to non-binging customers would be worth any effect it did have. Or whether the government has a place in banning binging, rather than addressing the underlying causes (high youth unemployment and lack of oppurtunities, for instance). Speaking as a social libertarian (though I sure as hell am not a fiscal one, for the record), who has made a decision to engage in somewhat self-destructive behaviour, like binging on alcohol, upon the rare occasion. Like many things, it seemed like a good idea at the time.

  27. scienceavenger says

    Last year, Minnesotans began a conversation about why marriage matters, and we found our common belief that it is about love, commitment, and responsibility

    Lucky you. In too many places (see Frothy’s latest pronouncements) they still think marriage is about making babies.

  28. frankb says

    In my college days Iowa had state liquor stores and no sales on Sunday. Minnesota was much more progressive with private liquor stores. Now the situation is reversed. Iowans can buy liquor any day of the week from a variety of businesses, mostly grocery stores. Minnestoan grocery stores can’t sell liquor and there are no liquor sales on Sunday. What a bunch of savages!! Next time I go to Minicon I’ll bring my own booze.

  29. outaworkee, back at work for now. says

    @25 qwerty

    (I am glad I am not in her district.)

    She doesn’t live in her district either. But I do.

  30. What a Maroon, el papa ateo says

    It seems incredibly odd that a place can consider equality legislation before legislation on whether or not alcohol can be sold on a Christian day of worship.

    Even with the blue laws, you can buy alcohol 86% of the time. And if you want to drink on Sundays, all it takes is a bit of forethought.

    On the other hand, if you happen to have the same sort of genitalia as your partner, you can’t get married any day in Minnesota (or most of the other states).

    I know where you’re coming from, but I’d say the equality law is a bit more urgent.