Episode CCCXLIX: Walk the dinosaur
It’s the new dance craze.
Evolution, development, and random biological ejaculations from a godless liberal
Evolution, development, and random biological ejaculations from a godless liberal
It’s the new dance craze.
carlie:
July 15th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Hm, this tweet has come out by Elyse Anders:
It will be interesting to see what stories come out of that. Wonder if it’s coincidence that some people just had to leave and it’s being attributed to that, or if something bigger really did happen. :(
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 15th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Makes me wonder how many different versions of reality will be expressed.
mythbri:
July 15th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
@carlie
Is there any more information about what’s going on? I know about the T-shirt, and the lack of policy, but are the conference organizers contributing to this? Is it just other attendees?
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 15th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
mythbri:
What t shirt?
Psych-Oh:
July 15th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
With summer, and the kids being home, and work… I’m really out of the loop. Maybe that’s a good thing. I haven’t followed this at all.
Beatrice:
July 15th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Unless mythbri is talking about some other shirt:
Butterflies and Wheels
Gnumann, quisling of the MRA nation:
July 15th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Luckily, that video was blocked in my neck of the woods.
I get to see David Attenborough and fossiles on the TV instead. Wee!
David Marjanović:
July 15th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Only North Americans ever used it, AFAIK. Increasing internationalization caused its demise.
We’ll look it up. Of course everything’s closed today anyway…
The output is very variable, too; different people have quite different metabolisms, and the same people can change a lot under different conditions.
mythbri:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
@Beatrice @Ogvorbis
Yup, that’s the T-shirt I mean. I’m really disappointed that people’s experiences at TAM are being so affected that they would leave early. Makes me wonder what the next part of the conversation will be.
stonyground:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Walk the Dinosaur was a UK hit in 1987. How does this qualify as a new dance craze?
Beatrice:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
And reading that thread on B&W, I see that there might be more to that t-shirt.
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Beatrice/mythbri:
Thanks. Given the past year or so, that t-shirt is, erm, odd?
We’re cultural illiterates over on this side of the pond?
vaiyt:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
You must be new to the internet.
Beatrice:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Ew, ew, ew.
Doing a google search for “I’m a skeptic, not a skepchick, not a woman skeptic, just a skeptic” I accidentally stepped into the slimepit.
mythbri:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
If the rest of the T-shirt reads that way, then she is a skeptic of both extraordinary and un-extraordinary claims. :/
Giliell, not to be confused with The Borg:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
OK
I packed, unpacked and repacked. I’ll have to bite the bullet and by some water on the train.
I managed to fix the small bagpack to the front of the big one.
And I made name-tags for the kids with their first name and my phone number on them.
The reality challenged will now claim that I’m a bad parent who plan on losing her children on the way…
hypatiasdaughter:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
So is the T- shirt an official TAM shirt or something that some random attendee made up to give the finger to others – ya, know, like a TeaPary sign?
Lynna, OM:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Trivia to add to our knowledge of Willard Mitt Romney — provided by an ex-mormon:
I met Mitty (his name tag said “Mitty Romney”) when he was a missionary in Paris. I knew President Anderson and his wife. I heard about the car accident that killed Sister Anderson shortly after it happened. However I didn’t find out that Romney was driving until a couple of years ago.
PZ Myers:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
I asked around. Surly Amy left early because she was harassed by a few assholes all weekend long.
I think TAM may have just lost a sponsor.
Giliell, not to be confused with The Borg:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Well deserved, I’d say
Audley Z. Darkheart, liar and scoundrel:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
For fuck’s sake.
Let me guess, there’s already assholes out there claiming that she blowed everything out of proportion?
Lynna, OM:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
A Mitt Romney joke created by ex-mormon Don Bagley:
Mitt was walking on a beach when he spied a corked bottle on the sand. He thought he heard a muffled cry from within the bottle, so he opened it. The Devil was released from the vessel and promished to reward Mitt.
“Make people vote for me,” asked Mitt.
“I have great powers of persuasion,” said the Devil, “but that’s beyond my reach. Anything else?”
“Make people respect my religion.”
The Devil stroked his beard and said, “Let me take a second look at that voting thing.”
Captaintripps:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
It’s Sunday, which means I like turtles.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 15th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
The real problem, to me, with this image is the really cartoony looking eye on the male T-Rex. It makes the whole thing look weird and vaguely creepy.
Also, the image of the sauropods mating in water, while ridiculously incorrect, made me realize that I’d probably get a bit of vertigo if I ever watched sauropods get it on.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 15th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Fucking wrong thread. damnit.
Caerie:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
I think you mean “wrong fucking thread.”
carlie:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Well that was smart, to try and prove that TAM doesn’t need a harassment policy by harassing someone so much that they left early.
mythbri:
July 15th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
FUCK. Assholes.
Is there anything I can do? What the hell is DJ thinking?
Assholes.
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 15th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Menz who harass women with impunity usually have more money than the women who are harassed.
He likely counts on it making more financial sense to cater to the libertarians. This is after all a conference held in Vegas.
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 15th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Will this be another ‘no, there was no harrassment,’ ‘no, no harrassment was reported to the organizers,’ ‘well, it was reported but I didn’t hear about it,’ ‘it was reported but it was minor,’ episodes? Or am I just being really, really, really cynical?
mythbri:
July 15th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Count this as one more data point that women who speak up are targeted for harassment to knock them back down.
Pilum:
July 15th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
“The uploader has not made this video available in your country.” :-(
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 15th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
But haven’t we been told that this is a myth? It never happens? It was invented by the mean feminists who hate men and hate sex and want the human race to die out?
I’ll be curious as to how this plays out.
Giliell, not to be confused with The Borg:
July 15th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
I suppose we’ll be angrily crying over this. I’m glad I’ll be offline next week
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Re-posted from Twitter
FUCK TAM
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 15th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Good news, everyone:
Jack the talking starling’s feather problems are clearing up! I’m relieved. Maniraptoran theropods just don’t look right without full plumage. I was also very worried that the problem was self inflicted, but it doesn’t appear to be.
Now if only I could figure out a way to trim his claws without traumatizing the poor little guy…
conway:
July 15th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
I’d rather walk like an Egyptian.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 15th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Pilum @32 – Same thing for me, though I already know this song and this video so I can conjure it up from memory.
petermountain:
July 15th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
I’m a member of the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod and on June 22 our church President Matthew Harrison answered a question concerning “Theistic Evolution” I thought his response was interesting for a few reasons. I like how he acknowledged that science does not agree with the Biblical account. However, I think he backed himself in a corner when he stated that the story in Genesis is either myth or history.
Nutmeg:
July 15th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
petermountain:
There are other options?
ChasCPeterson:
July 15th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
boom boom
shakalakalaka boom
boom boom
shakalaka boom boom
petermountain:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
@Nutmeg
There are no other options~ so why did he go there? I mean even he didn’t believe his answer and made up something called a “Story Telling” genre of history.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Who the fuck is this Maria Mastiva on Twitter and who rammed a giant bug up their ass?
A. R:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Creobot related issue: So I was arguing with a Hamite creobot today, when they started off on an argument that I’ve never heard before. Something about the fact that sauropods were so huge that they had to be actively held upright by Dog himself. I explained that those calculations were based on false assumptions etc. but they kept going, eventually reaching “but Jeebus has to guide the right sperm to the egg,” before they stopped talking.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Nutmeg, I hope things are going well on the home front. My mother read my diary when I was 16 and from then on every adult who met me knew “what” I was so I feel for you. Doing it on your own is something I don’t claim to know.
petermountain, what are you on about? Are you trying to find succor here for your atheistic thoughts? I don’t quite get it.
Jessa:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Ing: look at the Twitter handle.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@Jessa
Bluharmony? Is that supposed to mean something?
Beatrice:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
A connection to slimepit, I think
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 15th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I hope it’s alright that I ask again, but does anyone here have experience with the Getting Things Done book and apps/websites like Remember the Milk?
Do they work for hopelessly disorganised people, or is it just woo to soothe the folks who already love lists and know how to run their lives?
Beatrice:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Oh yeah, pharyngula wiki links her to Abbie Smith’s pride and joy.
Owlmirror:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
How does “Story Telling” differ from “myth”?
Giliell, not to be confused with The Borg:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Bluharmony, slimepit chill-girl.
She mostly got into this whole thing over at Greg Laden’s blog (on SB) on his post about dogs and men.
We-ell, given the blog-owner involved, things went pretty nasty over an extended period of time with Greg being the asshole that he is and her being seriously frightening in the sense that I and several others were seriously concerned for her mental well-being (no, I wasn’t throwing the “mental health ableism” around then and I’m not doing so now. It was like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.) Actually it should be mentioned that even Greg Laden seemed to see that and removed most of the stuff (with actual notifiers) and stopped engaging her.
The last thing is probably why she hates us so much.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
If kittens’ adult teeth are misaligned for their mouths does that mean they’ll grow into them? Or does that mean they’re genetically fucked?
I ask because my kitten, Tosha (my avatar), is having difficulty keeping his lower canines inside his lips, now that they’ve grown in. It pains me to see him lick his mouth constantly.
dysomniak, darwinian socialist:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
@Sili I’m about as disorganized as it gets and I’ve used GTD techniques successfully in the past. I’d say it’s worth at least trying out the basics for a week or so. You can find all the info you need online so there’s no need to spend any money on books unless you really like it and want the “advanced” stuff.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
blocked her. She seems obsessed and possibly delusional.
Giliell, not to be confused with The Borg:
July 15th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Now you know why I actually worry about her
Setár, self-appointed Elf-Sheriff of the FreethoughtBlogs Star Chamber:
July 15th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Don’t you just love it when the preview image on a youtube video tells you everything you need to know about it?
Setár, self-appointed Elf-Sheriff of the FreethoughtBlogs Star Chamber:
July 15th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Erp, shit. WARNING: iamcuriousblue is in the comments, so DRTC if you want to avoid pitizens.
Giliell, not to be confused with The Borg:
July 15th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Hoookay, I’m off to bed.
I probably won’t have time to check in tomorrow morning to say goodbye, so, I’ll be off for Berlin, my family and a mini-Pharyngula meetup :)
Have fun!
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
So am I going to have to avoid every fucking skeptic thing from now on because of slime pit and the like?
Fine. Let them have it.
Beatrice:
July 15th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Have fun, Giliell!
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 15th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Out of curiosity, how many people have died due to the US love for lack of regualtions and socialised medicine?
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 15th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Take good care of Jules and David, Giliell.
I know we’re sensitive to people’s feelings here, so I won’t suggest you do any *nudge*nudge* *wink*wink*.
petermountain:
July 15th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
@51 Owlmirror
Exactly! This guy seems intelligent. I wonder what’s preventing him from taking the next intellectual step. I mean when you admit something is true in a “story-telling” sort of way then….
Happiestsadist:
July 15th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
It’s certainly something the degree to which misogynists will go to prove that every single thing we say about them is dead on. I feel terrible for Amy.
Dark chocolate cherry biscotti in the oven. Mmmmm, my apartment smells GOOD.
Taslima Nasreen:
July 15th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Can’t watch the video. It says ‘The uploader has not made this video available in your country.’ :(
chrish:
July 15th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Well according to the previous article it should be “Everybody fuck the dinosaur”
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 15th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
A random act of culture from Mano Singham.
cicely:
July 15th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
:( :( :(
A busted eardrum is no fun at all. Meds?
I’m glad that at least her stomach is better.
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It was over here, too. It got a lot of play on MTV, back when they did…music.
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MRAs score yet another own goal.
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Have fun, Giliell!
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Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 15th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
What does it say about me that I enjoy organised spontaneity.
I like the middleaged guy who walks in and joins the breakdance.
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 15th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
This one even has a bit of Walk Like An Egyptian in the remix.
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 15th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Everything old is new again.
When we watched how fast retro was running through the decades, we all assumed that the trend would skip the 80es.
But whaddayaknow.
cm's changeable moniker:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Sili:
It’s lists. Lots of lists. Some sensible stuff about putting stuff you’re never going to get round to on “lists of stuff I’m not likely to get round to any time soon”, but mostly just lists of stuff to do.
I did like the 4 Ds: do (if you can), delegate (if you can), defer (if you want to do something, but not now), or delete (stuff hanging around that you’re never going to do).
–
Maybe also Google “inbox zero” for Merlin Mann’s take. (He’s fun.)
FossilFishy (Νεοπτόλεμος's spellchecker):
July 15th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Because sometimes I can be such a downer:
One summer in my teen years my brother disappeared in our back yard. Or his bottom half did at any rate. He’d fallen through the rotting boards that covered an old septic tank that had long since been out of use. I laughed, and was secretly disappointed that the thing was no longer noxious in any profound way. Such is the love of brothers.
It was known that there was another cistern out there under the lawn somewhere. I was given a spade and told to find it.
Shwick, shwick, shwick…
I randomly prodded the ground, listless and disorganised.
It was beautiful day. The summer sun was broken by the papery leaves of our birch tree. Thousands of deciduous voices whispered in sibilant hisses, lulling in its gusting rise and fall.
Shwick, shwick, shwick…
This was getting nowhere fast. We lived in the kind of 50′s built suburb whose large yards and wide lots caused agoraphobia in inner city kids. Our back yard was huge, this was going to take some time.
I sat under the tree and contemplated my task. Well, eventually I did. There might have been dozing, perhaps even napping. A plan came to me, eventually, in that gradual summer way.
The septic had a system of gravel filled trenches that drained away from the settling tanks. Over the years they’d subsided causing subtle channels in the turf. The only consequence of which was to make our played-for-blood badminton a bit more challenging than was strictly necessary. But now they could narrow my search.
Laying down flat and squinting across the lawn the pattern was quite clear. It had to be uphill from that point there, and was most likely a little west of centre.
Shwick, shwick, shwick…a grid pattern’s best…
Schwick, shwick, shwick…I should have brought out something to drink…
Schwick, thump…..thump,thump! Holy crap, it worked!!
And there I stood, heart racing. Anything could be down there, literally anything! Okay, maybe not a supermassive black hole or a Slaver stasis cube, but the possibilities were goosebumplely awesome. That feeling, that potential rushing up and down my spine chanting “What if, what if, what if!” is something I’ve felt all too rarely ever since.
“We observe in our data clear signs of a new particle…”
Thump.
“…the 5 sigma signal at around 125 GeV we’re seeing is dramatic.”
Thump.
“We have reached a milestone in our understanding of nature…”
Thump.
We stand atop that hollow space, we now know where it lies to a near perfect certainty. It could be a dead end, full of spider corpses and mouldy dirt, mere confirmation of the known and the knowable. Or it could be full of wonders so beyond our expectations that not even the summer drunk brain of a teenage geek can anticipate what’s hidden beneath.
We live in an age that step by inexorable step is slaying our ignorance of the universe-as-it-is, and I revel in it with wanton abandon. It charges within me that physical rush of possibility so often lost forever with passing of the lazy summers of youth. It keeps me young, this ecstatic dance of discovery, and if you kids don’t like this middle aged boogie…..here’s a spade, there’s my lawn, drink lots of fluids and the best of luck to you.
cm's changeable moniker:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
I’m always impressed by how well The Onion predicted the future.
U.S. Dept. Of Retro Warns: ‘We May Be Running Out Of Past’
Polistes:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Irony because I am done with skepticism because these people have ‘run me out’
I fucking hate this movement. I literally hate it so much.
Polistes:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
oops
Audley Z. Darkheart, liar and scoundrel:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Kind of threadrupt, but…
I got to see my teeny tiny newborn nephew today! OMG HE IS SO CUTE!
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I just finished Pratchett’s Wee Free Men. What a delightful romp.
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Sili, it wouldn’t be skipped. It’s quite simple really – each generation thinks the one just immediately prior to it is daggy and hopelessly naff beyond words; but the one two steps back is kind of cool.
chiptuneist:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Kind of behind, haven’t been home much the past few days.
So, congrats Ing!
PZ:
Goddammit. No doubt this is all you and your cohorts’ fault.
Random prediction (AKA guess): female attendance drops again next year, and none of the blame is accepted by JREF or TAM.
I like this song more than I can reasonably justify.
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 15th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Have I mentioned lately that I love you, Fishy?
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Damnnit I’m already pissy cause I had to talk to my father because he won’t answer anyone elses calls.
Any idiot who gives the “TFBANNED FREEDOM OF SPEECH” bullshit deserves a folding chair to the back of the head.
rowanvt:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
@ Krasnaya Koshka
Unfortunately, considering your cat is a narrow-headed siamese, it’s likely genetically screwed up. :/
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 15th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
My first aid instructor (lovely fat fella) showed us a memento from back when seatbelts were made mandatory: A knife you could attach to the belt, so you always had it at hand to cut yourself free if you got in an accident. Because, of course, seatbelts were gonna get people killed by trapping them in wrecks.
Polistes:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
I wish I had a decent father-in-law. Seems, though, he’s afflicted with NPD and is firmly in the throes of Narcissistic injury. And what doubles down? We’re a same-sex couple. Meh.
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Vigorously. Fucking. Seconded.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
GAH! Why on earth did anyone invent twitter? Did we need yet anouther infuriation engine!?
mouthyb:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
On the issue of not-at-all-extraordinary claims: that’s why the feminist link section of the Pharyngula wiki is growing like a damn weed.
There’s PLENTY of proof, and a bunch of us are doing our best to demonstrate it. I don’t have hope for arseholes getting it, but there’s bound to be one or two people out there whose minds can be changed by evidence.
Ya know, like skeptics are supposed to.
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 15th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
But, but, but … hairspray! Mullets! Short shorts! WHAM!!!
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
@Mouthyb
I grow more and more convinced that Skepticism is just another bundle of beliefs and dogmas that is taking on a quasi religious tone ala Objectivism
mouthyb:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Also, because of the glibertarian bullshit which they insist is Constitutional law, I think the links need a section specifically for First Amendment arguments.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
My favorite was the “what if I’m knocked unconscious and the car catches on fire, how can I free myself”. *facepalm just thinking about it*
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 15th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Why should you be exempt from the curse of in-laws?
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
I’m lucky. My mother likes partner and partner’s parents are dead!
mouthyb:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Ing: And that leads to a philosophical discussion, wherein I’m a total intellectual snob.
The tl;dr version is that some people want dogma and will make it out of *anything*. :(
ibyea:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
@cm
That Onion article is amazing. It is like Inception, but with words.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
So this is the new status quo: Every single fucking topic every single fucking day will have TF and Slime Pit blathering on and trying to bait people.
PZ, you really really fucked that one up good.
ibyea:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
On the skeptic movement: You know what? Forget about it. It is freaking useless. I thought they all wanted to help people using evidenced based approach. Instead, a lot of them are a group of self absorbed wankers telling each other how smart they are.
paul1:
July 15th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
The really sad part is that Skepticism lately feels like the “Strawman Atheist” that my church used to always talk about (although they just called them Atheist). The claim was that they were that way just because they didn’t want God telling them how they should behave, or what they should do. So much skepticism nowadays just seems to be based on “don’t tell me what to do, the Constitution says I have the right to do what I’m doing. Also, the Supreme Court should rule that the Constitution reads the way I read it.”
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
@Paul1
Amen
Nutmeg:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Krasnaya:
Ouch, I would have hated that. I had no clue that I liked girls until university, but no 16-year-old wants their diary to be read. I’m glad you made it through that experience.
Things are fine, thanks for asking. I don’t feel like bringing it up right now, because I want it to be an upbeat, low-drama announcement and I’m not sure how to create a moment like that. My brother had severe depression requiring several hospitalizations while he was coming out to himself and my parents. I want to make sure that my folks understand that it’s not like that for me: I’m okay, I’m glad that I like girls, my friends don’t care, and it shouldn’t have a negative effect on my career. I may just wait until the next time they start talking about me meeting a nice boy, and then casually let them know that it’s a lot more likely that I’ll meet a nice girl.
Giliell: Have fun on vacation!
FossilFishy: I’m really enjoying your writing. If you have a blog, I’d love to know about it. Otherwise I will continue to appreciate your comments.
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Dear person, thank you for helping out with the feminist links roundup! Unfortunately you weren’t signed in, so your IP was showing. I hid your edits, but the article should be as you left it. It would be awesome if you’d doublecheck that. Wikia signs me out unexpectedly from time to time also.
mouthyb:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Paul1: Oh yeah. We all know the Constitution and over two hundred years of trends in interpretation and law are WAY less important than the opinion of random wanker.
They definitely know better than all those scholars.
mouthyb:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Cipher: That was probably me again. Sorry, I forget that it logs me out.
<..> -.-
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Nothing is funnier than “skeptics” slavishly insisting on following the commands of dead men with 200+ years less knowledge than ourselves.
ibyea:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
@Ing
In my opinion, the founding fathers are overrated.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
@Ibyea
“Why would anyone follow some guy named Jesus or believe every word of a Holy Text as they misinterpet it and not even accept the idea that some ideas can be wro-ZOMG FOUNDFATHERS CONSTITUTIONS BALHALGHLAKGHALHGLAHL!!!!!”
Skepticism has generated a wonderful new way to be an idiot.
ibyea:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
@Ing
People forget that slaves being 3/5 of a person was in the Constitution of the US to begin with.
paul1:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
I’m actually strongly against considering the Constitution as some paramount ideal that we should try to conform to, instead of a living document that should be updated to match more modern ethics when appropriate. It disturbs me when people deify a couple dozen 18th century landowners, or various groups of 9 political appointees over the years. Even with two hundred years of improvements though interpretation and law, it could use some work. Not that I’m particularly arguing with what you said, just something I wanted to note since you mentioned “Constitution” vs. “random modern wanker”. Sometimes the wanker is right, but the problem with the ones in question is they argue based on “what is good for them”. Not a good basis for governing documents for a society as a whole.
Oh, to avoid appearance of nym-shifting (not that anyone would really remember, but whatever), I posted on sciblogs as “Paul”. Had to add the 1 since it was taken and I didn’t feel like thinking of a new name to post under.
opposablethumbs:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
FossilFishy: me too.
Ogvorbis: me too too.
chigau (女性):
July 15th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
before I finish catch-up
FossilFishy #74
Beautiful!
tigtog:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
@mouthyb re documenting incidents – have you checked out the Geek Feminism Wiki’s Timeline of Incidents? Most will not be directly relevant to your own project, but you might get some extra ideas for effective ways to structure your documentation?
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Hahaha nope, I certainly don’t see any threads about PZ getting Nope.
—
Work got better in some ways and worse in others. For instance, I took breaks today, some of which were just dogdog snuggle breaks. I even stopped and ate a snack when I realized I was sick from hunger. But I also stayed two hours past close, cut my hand open, and felt super guilty and may get yelled at tomorrow for something that I am well aware was completely not my fault.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Sigh…anyone know how the UUs are? are they giant dicks too?
I swear you feminists have freaking ruined me. no sub culture wants me anymore now that you’ve spoiled me with your radfem ideas
Beatrice:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Good idea.
It’s too late for me, unfortunately.
mouthyb:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Paul: Oh, I’m not saying to deify the Constitution, and I’m aware of the history and interpretation of the document. I mean merely that even if they wish to be in line with Constitutional scholarship, they’re wrong.
I rather like some of the more recent opinions on how those things are to be interpreted. Not all of it, mind, but some of it.
tigtog: I’ll look, but my entries are the ones which link to academic papers, as well as the statistics tutorials at the bottom of the page. I could be giving more thorough summaries, but I figure I’m doing free research and I don’t need to do a full literature review.
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Ing:
My parents are very happy in a UU church up in Maine. Much more discussion of making the world a better place and expanding human rights than god, sin, and the GOP.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
So here’s a question.
Is it possible alien life forms developed the whole “sight thought eye beams” vision that the Greeks thought humans had?
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
If it favors humanism over objectivism it may be better than skepticism.
Polistes:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
I didn’t say I shouldn’t be exempt. I’m just annoyed that this is where we are, given all the other and extra crap same-sex couples and people face. That’s all.
Polistes:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
*should
*italics fail
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Spouse and I are now mostly nude shouting at the sky to rain.
I think the heat has caused us to regress O-o
Part-Time Insomniac, Zombie Porcupine Nox Arcana Fan:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
I’d send some rain your way Ing, but we need it where I am. Here’s hoping a storm works its way over to where you and spouse live and cools down the place.
Beatrice:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Actually, that sounds fun. Unless you are outside and/or in the view of the neighbors. They might have something else to say.
mouthyb:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
tigtog: Hmmm. Let me try again. My foot appeared to have wandered into my mouth.
What changes would you recommend?
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 15th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
ING: don’t many robots use laser sensors for their ‘vision’? Isn’t that the same sort of idea?
Some sort of light-radar?
Glowing eyes, or glowing eyespots with ‘real’ eyes just above or below? Or maybe one big cycloptic glowing ‘eyespot’? I think that could make for some dramatic imagery.
*loves creature and monster design*
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
We hvae lightning NOW RAIN DAMN IT RAIN!!!!
Happiestsadist:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Ing: I hope you get rain.
I feel irrationally guilty because I somehow burned part of dinner (WTF, I did everything the way I usually do!).And the pain is starting up. But! I have a purring kitteh on my lap, amazing biscotti when I want some, and I’m visiting home next week!
HappiestDadist is having surgery in two days to have his thyroid out. Gah, after the radical neck dissection, the last thing he wants is more cutting into his neck. But I’ll be able to visit and bring baked goods and generally distract him. We were talking the other day and he told me he found one upside to his vocal damage. “I AM THE BATMAN!”, he said in the perfect Bale-Bats voice.
Now hopefully, I won’t be harassed about my reproductive status by a stranger in the airport waiting area like last time.
Part-Time Insomniac, Zombie Porcupine Nox Arcana Fan:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Happiestsadist – Good luck you to your dad. Also, DAFUQ? to “harassed about my reproductive status by a stranger in the airport waiting area like last time.” Some people really are just rude fuckwits.
ibyea:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
@Happiestsadist
I always wondered how Christian Bale did his Bat voice thing. Did post production modify it, or did he really do it?
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
@TLC
I’m wondering if I can justify having a race in my space opera have the dramatic glowy eyes of the High Human Race trope justified through this…
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Hey, statistics tutorials! Thanks, mouthyb!
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
@Ibyea
watch BB and DK back to back. It’s overly post produced IIRC in DK
Happiestsadist:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Ibyea: I assume it wasn’t by having all the lymph nodes and some muscle cut out of his neck.
Part-Time Insomniac: Thanks, I think he’ll be feeling much better afterward. For some reason, nobody noticed his thyroid had been dead for years before the cancer.
As for the stranger, it was so WTF. I don’t mind making small talk while passing time, but this dude was SO INSISTENT about how unfulfilled my life would be if I didn’t have kids, and how I’d make a great mother, blah blah. Even after I told him my tubes were tied.
tigtog:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
mouthyb, not recommending any changes in particular to what you’ve already done, just generally a fan of not reinventing wheels where that applies, which it may well not in this case. I just find that the GF Wiki tends to be very clearly organised, which is a good thing to emulate where possible.
chiptuneist:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Ing:
That’s actually pretty surprising, it didn’t sound like anything other than bad ‘vocal fry’ technique to my ears…
Owlmirror:
July 15th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Dunno if you care, but the name you post with does not need to be the same as the name you log in with.
Click on your name; click on “Profile”; scroll down and change your Nickname from “paul1″ to “Paul”, then scroll down some more and click “Update Profile”.
Or not.
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
tigtog, it looks like theirs is organized as a timeline – since the feminist links roundup is more a set of resources not tied to particular incidents, I think the format wouldn’t work as well for us. But it would work if we created a separate page for the atheist movement controversies, as I’m considering us doing. Someone (I don’t recall who) did a timeline recently that we could just link to. I dunno.
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
as I’m considering us doing
*sigh*
Please forgive me for being very, very obnoxious.
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 15th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Where?! Where?!
mouthyb:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Cipher: Thank you. I was fishing for appreciation, which I should probably leave alone, but I appear to be eager to sit at the adults’ table.
tigtog: The timeline on the entry you linked to is incredibly well organized. I may add an entry later, if that’s all right. I think it was the president of Harvard or Yale that addressed the graduating class for engineering by telling them women were just deficient in the ability to do math and science, so retention was pointless. I want to say it happened in 2009.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
RAIN!!!!
Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
So, I just discovered something startling.
Steel cut oatmeal mixed with lowfat cottage cheese in about a 1.5:1 proportion is actually surprisingly good. O.O
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
At the end of the Feminist link roundup!
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
I LINKED TO IT! IT WORKED!
*giant hugs to mouthyb* I appreciate your awesome help, to the amount of a million and five appreciations.
So there.
Paul:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Thanks, Owlmirror. My crush on your intellectual and practical range continues unabated.
mouthyb:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Cipher: Thank you. I needed that.
Part-Time Insomniac, Zombie Porcupine Nox Arcana Fan:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Ing: Was that a “DAMN YOU DO IT!” type “RAIN!!!!” or the celebratory type?
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Celebratory!
Booze has been broken out!
ChasCPeterson:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Is there a ‘movement’?
What’s the Movement?
Bloggers?
Organizations?
Conventions?
I’m extremely cynical–you might say ‘skeptical’–about Movements.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Don’t know if anybody reported it, but two turtles still at it after 47 million years.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
@Chas
Organizations+Conventions if I’m going to guess.
Oddly no one else was confused.
mouthyb:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Oh Chas, for you.
chigau (女性):
July 15th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Fuck rain.
It can stop now as far as my garden and basement are concerned.
[/self-centerdness]
mouthyb:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
chigau: We’ll totally take your rain over here in the US Southwest, where it’s 91 degrees at 8:40 in the evening.
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 15th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Shitty new troll in the “excellent plan” thread.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 15th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
And here I thought TET was just quiet today. I forgot that when PZ creates a new thread, I have to click “notify me of followup comments…”
I’ve been at work since 10 am and when it was slow, I would check my email, and only saw one or two new posts *from the last thread*…
~~
Ing:
Probably unrelated, but seeing the word ‘harmony’ brings to mind eHarmony, that online dating site which is such a *strong* supporter of same sex marriage (if this sentence could bleed sarcasm, it would be as dead as Zombie Jesus).
Emphasis mine.
So they don’t believe in same sex relationships, but when threatened with a lawsuit, they cave, but not because they did anything wrong. Screw them.
~~
FossilFishy:
I hope you were careful. You could have run into Pennywise or Rick Santorum…
StarStuff, an uppity feminist:
July 15th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
@ Cipher
I can haz misogynistic troll?
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Sigh, someone else trying to be banned out of solidarity?
Jessa:
July 15th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Cipher:
This one?
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 15th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Ing:
Rick Perry tells me that praying for rain works…
Or maybe there’s a way a local dowswer could help (I know their specialty is searching for water in the ground using their incredible power of
guessworkwater finding [related to water bending, just not as cool], but maybe they could be of assistance)Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 15th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Starstuff:
Bring a toothpick. These trolls get caught in newly sharpened fangs.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 15th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
David:
Thank you for the assistance with href. I finally got it to work.
Thanks also for the hint about xkcd :)
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 15th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Jessa, yep! Thanks.
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 15th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
P.S. Bluharmony was the asshole who threw a temper tantrum over having a wiki entry. It was removed and she continued to spout misinformation about why. I believe she still continues, despite the fact that I have repeatedly confronted her about it.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Oh her. Glad I blocked, her victim complex was epic.
Nutmeg:
July 15th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
I’m thinking of heading out to my city’s Fringe Theatre Festival that’s going on for the next couple of weekends. I’ve never been to one of these before. Are there any Horde members who go to similar events? Tips on choosing good shows?
carlie:
July 15th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
She was the one who was a lawyer and said she was going to sue everybody for libel.
Happiestsadist:
July 15th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Wordplague in the Excellent Plan thread is really reminding me that I can’t wait for summer to be over so I can grow back my pit hair. It’s too fucking hot for fluff as it is, and I miss having cute fuzz that pissed off cupcakes just by existing. It was such a magnificent douchebag detector.
rorschach:
July 15th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Good times.
chigau (女性):
July 15th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Nutmeg
Fringing
Go hang-out around the venues (or the beer tent).
Listen.
Read the local normal-press and compare the reviews to the local art-press.
Did I mention the beer-tent?
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 15th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
I’m very frustrated because I can’t find my favorite performance of No Good Deed by Eden Espinosa :( I found a short clip that sounds like it might be from it but I’m not sure.
Well! I’m off to work on my reading about epitaphs.
I have to open tomorrow. Hopefully I fall asleep soon.
Sigh.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 15th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
SpokesGay Sleepover was great fun. SallyStrange and Ms. Daisy were here, along with my friend L. We watched a Bette Davis potboiler and John Waters’ “Female Trouble.” Good fuckin’ times.
The menu (all homemade except the mac salad):
-Hummus bi tahina
-Guacamole
-Pico de gallo
-Fresh spring rolls (rice paper, marinated-grilled tofu, cabbage, carrot, spring onion and hot peanut/sesame sauce)
-Crab rangoon (cream cheese, crab, Old Bay spice, spring onion, deep fried in Won Ton pastry)
-Macaroni salad
-All the booze
DLC:
July 15th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Okay, so I should not read Huffington Post.
And, reading Huff-Po, I should stay away from the Religion section. However, I saw this headline and just had to share it, due to the massive irony.
“Man killed in witch hunt may be Africa’s first Saint. ”
was how the link I followed read.
within is a sad tale of a fellow who was a good bloke, a primary school teacher and practicing catholic. (okay, so he had a bit of delusion, but many people do) There came a time when several homes in his village were struck by lightning, and the village elders wanted to hire a Witch-Finder. The man disagreed, and was later found murdered. Apparently he was the victim of a lynch mob. So, one group of Fantasy Believers kills a man and another group of fantasists wants to make a saint of him.
The story links fro Huffington Posts’ religion page, here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/religion/
Happiestsadist:
July 15th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Josh, that sounds like the best time ever.
ImaginesABeach:
July 15th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
I don’t even know what to think about this:
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_21081719/madison-lake-bikini-parade-marchers-raise-eyebrows
A small town in Minnesota is getting worked up because a woman wants to have an entry in the local parade – several hundred women in bikinis.
Normally, I would fully support her. However, she is doing it to raise money for a charity that promotes vitamin D for breast cancer prevention.
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that she owns tanning salons.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 15th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
HappiestSadist-it was! Git yo ass down her to
lower CanadiastanVermont and we’ll do it again.Ask Ms. Daisy about how she put her foot through my unintentionally booby-trapped register grating all the way through the dining room ceiling.
Happiestsadist:
July 15th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I have to get me a passport, and then I shall!
tigtog:
July 15th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Cipher, the speech at Harvard was in 2005 (Larry Summers).
I really like the way the links are set up in the Pharyngula Wiki round-up, and plan to add it to the links at FF101. You, mouthyb and all the other wiki contributors have created a valuable resource.
I just figured that it sounded like a timeline was in the plan, so being made aware of another thematically=related timeline seemed like a good idea.
AJ Milne:
July 15th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Oh. Is the mostly-nudity supposed to help? I’ll try pretty much anything, about now.
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 15th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
I am so jealous of the SpokesGay sleepover. But the odds of me making it to the US in the next 5 years are very low. :( Would you share your Pico de gallo recipe? Decent Mexican food is basically non-existent in Canberra.
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 15th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Oh, oh! Who wants a Cunt cola! Rather big oops there.
Wowbagger, Deputy Vice-President (Silencing):
July 15th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Cipher wrote:
Huh. Did I mention I got to see her perform live (that song included) a few weeks back? Show needed a bit of tightening up – apparently that happened, according to friends who saw it after me – but she’s got a wondeful voice, and told some funny stories.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
No it’s just hot.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Alethea-the Mexican here in Vermont is HORRIBLE too. I’ve had to learn to make my own. Luckily my BFF from college is Mexican and his mom shares her recipes. Here are two.
Pico de gallo (basically two parts tomato to one part red onion)
Tomatoes
Red onion (only red onion; no other kind)
Salt
Lime juice
Chopped cilantro
That’s it. Dice the tomatoes and onion as fine as you can get them, discarding excess seed and wet tomato pulp. Add as much cilantro as you like, and enough lime juice to make a sharp taste on the tongue. Salt and refrigerate for at least two hours, stirring occasionally.
Enchilada sauce (sorry I don’t have the metric measurements at hand):
4 tbsp. all-purpose flour
1/3 cup vegetable oil
3tbsp (at least) chili powder
4 cups hot water
1 beef bullion cube or its liquid equivalent
3 cloves garlic crushed
1 6-oz can tomate paste, not sauce
Get a large-bottomed skillet out and heat it dry. Yes, dry. No oil. Toast the flour, tossing and scraping with wooden spoon, until a deep golden brown. Expect some smoking.
Add chili powder, mix. Add veg. oil and mix until smooth. Add hot water a little at a time, beating/mixing with spoon to keep it smooth and not lumpy. Add bullion, garlic, and tomato paste. Simmer covered, stirring occasionally, for at least 15 minutes. Taste as you go along and adjust seasoning to your liking.
Then use for anything–beef, bean, cheese enchiladas.
Part-Time Insomniac, Zombie Porcupine Nox Arcana Fan:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
I am up late cramming for my vaccines course. Quiz has to be submitted before 8:00 am. Curse my forgetfulness when I have lazy days!
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
This actually gives me optimism. It’s a tweet from a guy who spent the last few days mocking the lack of a sexual harassment policy at TAM. He tweeted things like:
He seems to have woken up (time will tell) perhaps due to Pamela Gay’s talk. He’s now tweeting (to Elyse Anders of Skepchick):
I made some pretty stupid tweets about the harassment policy, and apologize to @jref and @SurlyAmy for them. Dumb boys CAN learn. #Tam2012
Hats off to everyone who’s put up with the bullshit and abuse and refused to shut up. Apparently (I hope) it can pay off.
rowanvt:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
My sister-in-law and I have a new foster kitten. He’s hilariously feisty/feral. I was offering him food on my finger tip and he was hissing and spitting until I got my finger almost in his mouth, and then he eagerly licked all the food… and hissed again as I pulled my finger away to get him more food. After about 5 times, he stopped hissing at my approach and was simply eager for noms.
His name is Captain Jack. He has severe entropion of both lids of his left eye, which may be microphthalmic. We’re gonna get him looked at tomorrow and get an official diagnosis as well as tested for FeLV/FIV.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
AAARRGH. Borkquote. It should have read:
Hats off to everyone who’s put up with the bullshit and abuse and refused to shut up. Apparently (I hope) it can pay off.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
@Josh
I’m still underwhelmed with the results.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Ing. . .I’m sorry, could you clarify? I don’t know what you mean to say.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
@Josh
Drop in a bucket against a tidal wave of diarrhea
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
@Ing- yes, you’re right. I’m taking my small comfort where I can find it. Perfectly aware that I’m being Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm about it, don’t worry.
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Thanks Josh (recipe AND good news!)
Does anyone know what happened to Surly Amy at TAM? I’m seeing vague references about the place, including that she left early.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
@Josh
SOrry to rain on parade. Just bitter
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
I’m bitter too Ing. No apology necessary. I rain on everyone’s goddamn parade all the time.
Wowbagger, Deputy Vice-President (Silencing):
July 15th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
I predict the scumbags – who must be aware they’re on the losing side by now – will take this as an ‘out’. They’ll still hate on FTB, but they’ll be less obstructive to changing con policy.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
@Alethea
Some assholes apparently wouldn’t leave her alone
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
What now? Why would they do that? They’re doing great
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Wowbagger—Actually, they’ll claim responsibility for implementing the policies and retroactively throw shade on the rest of us.
Paul:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
But they wouldn’t have harassed women if the idea hadn’t been planted in their heads by all this policy discussion! They’re probably false flag agents just trying to prove the point that a harassment policy is needed, so that the people that spoke up for a harassment policy can score brownie points hoping to get laid.
Vilém Saptar:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Hello!
I’m still catching up, since I stayed out for over a day.
Till now,
Congratulations Ing. Here, have a smiley , :)
Welcome back to David Marjanović! (Who’s Jules , if its ok to ask?)
Commiserations to Ogvorbis.
Audley, congrats on the auntying :)
Giliell, have a great vacation!
Josh, that must’ve been fun. Also, theophontes tells me you run a slush fund and I could contribute. If its ok with all you people, I’d like to, but it won’t be much. So tell me what to do.
beatrice, I forgot to mention you in my comment about troll, so thanks to you too.
Jadzia626, sorry to hear. Commiserations.
kristinc, thats awful. Hope things get better for you soon.
carlie awesome roundup of events during DDMFM’s abscence.
If I missed out offering commiserations or congratulations to anyone, sorry and you have my commiserations or congratulations.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Theophontes is darling, but he is wrong. Just because I’ve got a couple hundred Chinese Yuan hanging out in my odds-and-ends jar in the kitchen (ahem:) doesn’t mean I’m running a Fund of Ill Repute.
Here’s how it works:
1. When a horde member is in financial distress, we take note.
2. Many people voluntarily contribute.
3. I voluntarily accept the money and administer it through my bank account, doing deposits and wiring money to the recipient.
Here’s how it doesn’t work:
1. I do not want to be sitting on a fund of donated cash.
2. I do not want to use my bank account to hold donations until some indeterminate point in the future where they’ll be dispensed.
3. I do not need the headache or potential tax consequences.
All that said–the Horde generosity is marvelous and I’m delighted to facilitate it. But please restrict your charitable impulses to the immediate call for help; I can’t take money and just plop it in my account for the future.
Thanks for understanding.
chigau (女性):
July 15th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Josh et al.
Yay for friends and food.
(except for the cilantro)
StarStuff, an uppity feminist:
July 15th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
That’s awful :(
Wowbagger, Deputy Vice-President (Silencing):
July 16th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Josh wrote:
Well, they’ve already stolen false persecution (amongst other things) from the Christian playbook; why not hgo back there for more ideas?
On the plus side, it should cause a rift between those who are just opposing it because it’s what PZ, OB, RW etc. want and the real dudebros who hate the idea of being cockblocked.
Vilém Saptar:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Josh,
Understood. Is there any such call right now?
But I’ll keep this in mind and help out whenever I can.
StarStuff, an uppity feminist:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Observe the Dudebro in its natural habitat: the hotel bar at a conference without an anti-harassment policy. But this could soon become a rare site if the careless feminists have their way.
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:09 am
Huh, Vilem, weren’t you having financial problems yourself, just recently? I hope this doesn’t mean you decided not to start your new degree after all.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:13 am
Oh if only the fight for same sex marriage were THIS easy.
(found this site through xkvd, and I think I like it even more)
Vilém Saptar:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:14 am
Alethea,
Thanks for asking! So sweet of you :)
Yes, I would’ve had to save if I went that way. But, I thought about it at some length and I can’t help but feel I’m obligated to my parents, so I’ve sort of given up on the conventional academic dream :/
I’ll try to read and learn on my own and guess I’d have to make do with that.
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:26 am
Vilém, it’s your call to make, of course, but I’m still sorry to hear that.
naturalcynic:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:13 am
Needs more cowbell.
Vilém Saptar:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:32 am
Thanks Alethea. I feel sorry too…
Setár, self-appointed Elf-Sheriff of the FreethoughtBlogs Star Chamber:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:38 am
The dastardly liberal media strikes again.
birgerjohansson:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:10 am
I am reading the latest Stephen King, the onewhere the protagonist goes back in time to save JFK.
The story is an interesting comment on how much things have changed. Not only for black or gay people, but in the attitudes to women as well.
— — — —
Factoid: Not even the driving licenses had photo ID back in 1958, but somehow USA failed to be overrun by terrorists. Hmm… remind certain people about how the 50s had less surveillance next time they say the 1950s were so great. Watch cognitive dissonance set in.
ChasCPeterson:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:15 am
No thanks.
(Do you see “skepticism” as having anything to do with the social-justice movements discussed in
all those footnotesthat article? Anything at all?)wow. Fascinating how that one’s evolving. It’s like a game of strawman-telephone.
Ariaflame, BSc, BF, PhD:
July 16th, 2012 at 5:22 am
Yeah, Josh had me until the cilantro.
carlie:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:11 am
I will take ALL THE CILANTRO THANK YOU.
nom nom nom
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:11 am
Good morning Horde!
I spent a (mostly) wonderful weekend with my parents. We were going to go into the city, but the Yellow Line was being repaired so no go. Instead we stayed at home, played board games, went out to eat FUCKING AMAZING Tapas, and then drove to IKEA to pick me up some furniture.
The one issue was when we got into political talk – I’m the sole liberal in a family of conservatives. I’m progressive, they’re libertarian. It’s hard to talk to them and see my long-held ideas about my family being super compassionate and having that ground into the dirt because they espouse ideas which are summed up as “screw you I’ve got mine.”
But I quickly deviated from that topic of conversation and got us off of it as soon as I could. My mother said pretty much “I don’t want to change your mind, I just want you to be informed” which is… a win(?)
Anyway, that was my weekend, which brings me to another point. Stealing something from oniongirl here:
Attention DC Horde:
Game night. Good idea?
I have a ton of board games, fun ones like Settlers of Catan and Ticket to Ride. I want to play with people who aren’t my family once every month or two. Would it be a good idea to make a kind of game night for the horde in the DC area? We could play a game, watch a movie, have delicious foods.
Thoughts?
Pteryxx:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:15 am
ooh, congratz on a great day Katherine, and I didn’t know you were a boardgamer! I’m not in DC but I’d be all OVER a game night if I were. (And there’s always Brettspielwelt… *hinthint*)
carpenterman:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:23 am
“Walk the Dinosaur”?
I was doing that in 1988!
You are sooooo late to the party.
Jadehawk, mec fâché en jupe:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Melissa Harris-Perry & Jessica Valenti about Tosh http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46979745#48188864
birgerjohansson:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:11 am
The truth doesn’t matter: Morning-after pills http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/birth-control-framing_b_1675759.html
It’s not about saving the unborn. It’s about control.
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 16th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Does it help that I shave it all year round now?
Louis:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Happiestsadist, #171,
I hope I am not a douchebag or a cupcake, but I’m personally not a fan of pit hair on women (as in it’s not a look that in general appeals to me personally, although, on the right woman….RAWR…I’m not a pit-hair fascist!). Sure it’s partly my conditioning/socialisation and DEFINITELY not my fucking business if anyone wants to have pit hair.
So from a relatively abashed partial-pit-hair-phobe, grow it out, sister, with my entirely unnecessary blessing! Your personal choices are, erm, well, YOURS and that’s that. I may have to ask the Mrs to rethink her clean shaven policy if the stuff is, as you say, so effective a douchebag detector. Just think of the fun that can be had…
…I mean the plaiting possibilities alone…
…too far? ;-)
Louis
birgerjohansson:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Hmm. I have found possibly the only appropriate context for rape jokes: This very “creative” version of Genesis:
http://www.fakebible.com/genesis-19.html
— — — — — — — —
Gen19:1 This is the story of Sodom. It’s like Krypton, but with more anal. And it proves gays are evil, assuming they’re also raving sex maniacs.
Gen19:1 That evening, Lot was sitting in the center of the city when in walked God’s angels– his luscious, sensuous, six-pack-abs angels.
Gen19:2 Lot: “Lords, my home is a rape-free zone, I mean, a great place for footsore travelers to get their feet washed. Consensually.”
Gen19:2-3 The coy angels at first said they’d sleep outside, but Lot knew they couldn’t resist his yeast-free, hypoallergenic bread.
Gen19:4 But after dinner, everyone in Sodom, even the GIRLS and WOMEN in some translations, formed a rape mob around Lot’s house.
Gen19:5 Mob, to Lot: “BRING OUT THOSE GLOWY CUM-DRIZZLING MAN-SLUTS SO WE CAN ASSRAPE ASSRAPE ASSRAPE LOL”
Gen19:6-7 Lot emerged, locking the door behind him. “Friends, these ‘sex-crazed mob Saturdays’ really hurt tourism.”
Gen19:8 “Leave my guests alone. Look, I’ve got two virgin daughters. They’re hot and kind of slutty. Rape THEM instead.”
Gen19:9 Mob: “You judgmental foreigner! Just to punish you, we have to TOP what we’re doing to these guys! I call dibs on his eyesockets!”
Gen19:10-11 The angels opened the door, yanked Lot back, and blinded the mob. Mobs become harmless if you add the element of blind panic.
dianne:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Here’s a probable TMI re armpit hair and body hair in general: I don’t shave mine for the most unfeminist of reasons: My boyfriend doesn’t like the stubble shaving leaves behind. Yep, I’m a hairy legged feminist because my boyfriend tells me to be. The fact that it scares off the cupcakes is a bonus.
rorschach:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Thanks for the link ! Jamie Kilstein makes a lot of sense there.
Louis:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Also:
Hello all.
1) I am generally multiply ‘rupt. Chucked a few bons mots the way of a few threads though. Eminently mockable idiot on Excellent Plan Thread is eminently mockable.
2) Grog for all who want and need it.
3) Dianne, I forgot to mention that I was sorry to read about your sick friend, I will raise extra grog for you. Possibly also a pasty.
4) Caine, DOUBLE RATLETS? ZOMG! Have extra USB Rat Sitters, double grog, a pasty and sympathy.
Hmmm My 3) and 4) implies I think DOUBLE RATLETS are worse than a friend with cancer…this is not true. Whilst I am genuinely sympathetic to Caine’s plight, I am genuinely VERY sympathetic to Dianne’s and her friend’s plight. Erm I didn’t mean to confuse the issue by implying a linear relationship between USB grog/pasties/sympathy and actual Real World™ sympathy.
5) I will have missed things, people, summaries, things of people, people of things, summaries of things and people and sundry matters. I am truly sorry where this is the case and I humbly refer the honourable reader to my generic 2). Grog is available in non-alcoholic versions for those inclined. Although I cannot claim a slight eyebrow of disapproval will be raised.
6) Speaking of which, this year’s often aborted and kept more in the breaking than in the observance Health Kick™ involving No Booze™, Healthy Eating™, and More Exercise™* has started today. I need the full psychic powers of the Horde to channel through the USB ports in order that I can gain some Willpower in the face of Bacon, Hot Sauce, Beer, Rum and Convenience (my current arch-nemeses).
I can haz supahpowahz? Pl0x?
Louis
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:30 am
I don’t like having body hair. So I remove it all. I have to admit I really like newly shaven legs. So there’s that. Very un-feminist of me >.<
Louis:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:30 am
* from #232: Apparently masturbation doesn’t count. I call “unfair”. Some of you might call “foul” and I would reply “only if done right”.
dianne:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Morning minor issue that’s being blown out of proportion in my mind: The paper I wanted to submit this morning has a boring title. It was supposed to be kind of a placeholder until I thought of something interesting, but I failed to actually think of something interesting. Gah!
Dr. Esteleth Dyke, Medicine Woman and Snark Machine:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Need some help, dianne?
dianne:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:40 am
I need the full psychic powers of the Horde to channel through the USB ports in order that I can gain some Willpower in the face of Bacon, Hot Sauce, Beer, Rum and Convenience (my current arch-nemeses).
Willpower being sent through the USB port. But really you’re not going to succeed unless you can find some way to make it fun. Consider what healthy food you find yummy and what exercise you find fun. Also hot sauce is not bad for you unless you have an ulcer that is provoked by it or put it over something that is bad for you.
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:42 am
@Jadzia:
Me too. I don’t do it for anyone else’s consideration. I just fucking hate my hairy legs, arms, and face (I’ll eventually go to laser removal for my facial hair… fuck shaving, no seriously.)
dianne:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Esteleth: Thanks! I actually came up with something at least vaguely better after posting the bit of panic here…The problem is I don’t do succinct well.
Louis:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Dianne,
Hot Sauce itself is good, but as you have accurately nailed, it’s what it accompanies that is Teh Bad™.
I mildly exaggerate my need for Health Kick for Comedy Purposes, and the willpower isn’t too bad, I was merely enjoying a First World Problem! ;-)
I mean putting on a few pounds is one thing, but really, I shouldn’t have my own moons. I stood in a shaft of sunlight the other day and the angle allowed me to see rings orbiting my midriff. I’m not saying I’ve waited a little too long, but some of those moons had satellites in cleverly arranged orbits. It’s not good when your moons have evolved civilisations with GPS.*
Louis
* Actual lardiness may be grossly exaggerated for comedy benefit. Just like personal body hair for some, I dislike personal lardiness. Other people’s lardiness is not anything I care about, but my own annoys the piss out of me!
Dr. Esteleth Dyke, Medicine Woman and Snark Machine:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:03 am
What is the paper on, dianne?
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:16 am
carlie:
Share you will, please? :)
dianne:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Esteleth: Population level survival in patients with Hodgkin’s lymphoma. One thing that’s exciting is that the survival in young patients is about 98%, getting close to the point where it will be impossible to see further improvements because it’s so high to start with. (For comparison, the survival for patients with community acquired pneumonia is around 95%.) In the US, it’s lower, around 93%. The data isn’t there to definitively prove a reason for the difference, but chemotherapy is different in each country as is the health insurance system. It’s quite interesting data, IMHO, but hard to put all that in a title.
cicely:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Vilém, I also don’t have much to contribute to Pharyngulites in distress…at any given time. I’m finding it useful to drop the odd dollar or change into a can, wait until a need arises, bag it up and bank it, then send a check to our awesome, hard-working SpokesGay.
-
*gives carlie ALL THE CILANTRO*
Enjoy!
-
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Katherine:
Glad you had a good weekend with the fam. Do your parents understand any of your criticisms of libertarianism? Or does everything fly over their heads?
Board game night sounds like a blast, but I don’t think the Florida Panhandle is in the DC area…
Richard Austin:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Guilty confession: I have “Walk the Dinosaur” on my iPod. Along with “Walk Like en Egyptian” and even “Love Shack”.
Of course, I’ve also got Kermit singing “Rainbow Connection”, Holst’s “The Planets” (Royal Philharmonic), and “Doll Dagga Buzz Buzz Ziggety Zag” by Marylin Manson.
Yes, putting it on “shuffle” tends to be a bit interesting.
Dr. Esteleth Dyke, Medicine Woman and Snark Machine:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Hmm. I’m not sure what a good snappy title for that would be, dianne.
But the paper sounds interesting!
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Jadzia:
The feel of newly shaven legs is amazing. Especially when you have fresh outta the dryer linens. Amaaaaaaaaaazing.
Yeah, I shaved my legs exactly twice. Just wanted to see how long it would take the first time, and the second time I think I was drunk. Setting aside my lack of understanding why women shave their legs in the first place, this took way too long (I shave my head in a quarter of the time), and it’s kinda awkward in the shower trying to get certain spots.
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:29 am
@Katherine
Aww. Well, I’m not that hairy. I’ve often been asked if I shave my legs. I just like the feeling :)
I’ve always been relatively androgynous anyway.
Facial hair, ugh. Yeah. Not much left after 4 laser sessions – or is it 5? I forget. Fucking expensive though.
Louis:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Tony,
{Insert compulsory story about incredibly inappropriate things I have done in my Rugby Playing Past here}
Louis
Ariaflame, BSc, BF, PhD:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:31 am
I love board games. But I am not near… :( Hey, anyone else got an account at daysofwonder.com? With the online version of Ticket to ride the cities light up so you don’t mix up Palermo and Pamplona.
Wonder if the plaguer is the j5/shotsomething who got banned under one IP earlier.
Frankly if anything he’s saying is true I’m astounded he still has a supervisor.
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:33 am
@Tony
It doesn’t take me long at all. A minute perhaps? When the hairs are short, you just need to drag the razor over once or twice. Maybe the 5-blade lady-shaver is a bit different. It covers a larger area. Maybe it’s different with dark/thick hairs too.
rorschach:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:33 am
How long ?
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:34 am
@Tony:
The Florida Panhandle could be in the DC area! All you gotta do is scrunch up the corner of the map. Of course that’d do things like get rid of most of the southern states down there. But I doubt anyone would miss the Carolinas or Georgia.
@Jadzia:
Unfortunately for me, I’m a male-bodied transwoman, so yea, hairy :(
@Aria:
I have an account there, but I also bought TTR on Steam.
carlie:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Thanks! Happy to share with Tony and anyone else wanting some.
dianne:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Oops. Five year survival. The database isn’t old enough to get longer survival estimates. And in answer to the probable implicit question, there is a lot of concern about long term toxicity leading to early death even after cure from the original disease. (Yeah, I know you know that already. Just hoping to be helpful to the non-medical types.)
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:37 am
@Katherine
Figured as much. I’m AMAB too anyway. Even if I’m naturally androgynous, 15 years of DHT did make a little impact. Luckily it has been reversible.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Katherine:
I’m rather fond of Atlanta though. Can we can them? Huh? Pwease?
PZ Myers:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Shh. Should I tell you a secret? Even XX cis women are mammals, and they’re hairy all over too. They have to work at that depilation stuff.
Richard Austin:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Tony:
Possibly “TMI”, but I shave everything off (‘cept my head) fairly regularly during the summer – especially if I’m going on vacation and will be in and out of pools/ocean/whatever or in the sun often. It makes it much easier to get even coverage with sunscreen (especially full-body tanning), and it also makes it much quicker to dry off.
Mostly, it takes practice, but there are a few things that make it easier. It’s the longer hair that is hard to shave off, so getting something that can “buzz” it down quickly is best, then use a razor to just neaten it up. For full body, takes me about half an hour to forty-five minutes. The first pass is most of that; second pass with the razor is about 8 minutes.
Dr. Esteleth Dyke, Medicine Woman and Snark Machine:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Oh, shaving?
It was funny. The EstelethSister came to visit me. She shows up, and announces that she needs to shave her legs, can she borrow my shaving cream?
I do not shave.
She was completely flabbergasted by this. So she had to walk to the corner bodega and buy shaving cream (and all they had was men’s, LOL).
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:48 am
“Is that ALF”
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Yes, PZ, we know :)
One of the many secret thing we do when we go to the bathroom together is comparing hair removal equipment. Probably not very different than when the guys gather in the garage discussing power tools :D
rorschach:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Listening to Dawky and Lalla reading The Ancestors Tale on commute to and from work, and learning that it’s all one big continuum from shrews to people anyway, just that the intermediates have died out, so hairy armpits or legs are just fine. Evolutionarily speaking.
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Blog post from someone who’d becoming one of my favourite people on twitter.
http://www.rolereboot.org/sex-and-relationships/details/2012-07-what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-real-man
Beatrice:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:51 am
I always buy men’s shaving cream. Women’s is either too expensive or stinks to high heaven (or, most often, both).
carlie:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:52 am
She can’t just use soap? I have always just used soap. I bought shaving cream once, didn’t really see the point of another whole product for something the soap does just fine. Now and then when I’ve bought a conditioner that turned out to be bad I’ve used it for shaving just to get use of some kind out of it, but that’s about it.
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Me too. Though I rarely use and shaving cream at all.
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Yes, conditioner makes a very good shaving cream too.
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:57 am
@Jadzia:
Lucky. I have nice pouty lips and long legs, but that’s the extent of my overt femininity.
@Tony:
I’ll find a way to fold up the map so all the cities are in the DC area!
Ariaflame, BSc, BF, PhD:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:59 am
I very occasionally do under the arms in summer. Mostly if I’m going to be wearing something sleeveless and going to be seeing my mother. (It’s less effort to do it than deal with the pointed remarks). Never felt any urge to shave anywhere else. Too lazy and don’t want the stubble phase. Plus have no desire to attract anyone romantically so that isn’t a factor.
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Smart! Then you can just poke wormholes in it to create instant-travel routes.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Esteleth:
What is the history behind women shaving their legs? Is it rooted in sexism? (seems rather silly to me that women are expected to shave their legs and men aren’t, unless you’re a society that considers the value of a woman to lie solely in their appearance (and where men get to define what looks acceptable).
~~~
ARGH!!!
25 years of cooking and I still cannot remove the shell from a boiled egg. I just ruined 3 of the four eggs I was looking to enjoy. And the remaining eggs in the carton are stuck! Dammit.
Matt Penfold:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:03 am
I use baby oil to shave these days. It just like those shaving oils you can get, but about 1/100th the cost.
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Yes yes yes, we all know that humans (and by obviousness, women) are mammals and mammals have hair and it’s the natural state of women to have hair and it’s often related to sexist thoughts that women have to have very little hair on their bodies and blah blah blah.
I don’t fucking care.
I get my legs waxed, shave my pits, and use Nair on my arms for me. I could care less if it reinforces some vague sexist ideal of women. I hate hate hate having hairy limbs just because it looks and feels gross. If I had the choice, no hair anywhere except on my head.
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Other fun links from my twitter feed:
http://moms.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/16/12752632-pot-smoking-moms-tired-of-being-judged-by-wine-drinkers
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@Jadzia:
Now that’s just silly. Obviously all the cities will just get all crumpled up together in a big ball. May be a touch difficult to navigate, but that’s just how it’s gotta be.
Beatrice:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Well, the soap gets used when I can’t be bothered to buy shaving cream.
I shave pretty regularly during the summer. I do like the feeling of smooth skin, but I have to admit I’m doing it mostly for conformism. *shrug*
I’m pretty self-conscious, going out in a short skirt and with unshaved legs would probably make me self-combust in panic from wondering about what people may be whispering about me.
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@Katherine
We should just make one huge megacity like on that one planet in Star Wars. Problem solved.
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Coruscant, that’s the one …
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Jadzia:
Personal wormholes you say?
Nutmeg:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Katherine: How do you like the results of using Nair on your arms? I have fairly hairy arms, and I don’t like it. Luckily I’m blonde, but it’s still pretty visible. I’ve been hesitant to remove the hair because I don’t want it to grow back in darker like the hair on my legs.
Actually, I suspect that my androgen levels are too high, and I’m going to get that checked out at my next physical. But I don’t have a lot of hope that an adjustment in my hormone levels would make a big difference in amount of body hair.
thunk, sadly not in gale crater:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Tony and eggs:
One tip of advice: use older eggs.
Some possibly less-useful advice:
the thunk method of de-shelling.
Find the blunt end of the egg. Tap it against something hard so the shell breaks and you gain access to the air pocket.
Then, slide the finger under the shell and slowly move up to the other end of the egg, cracking shell along the way. Then come back down.
Finally, remove the two remaining pieces of shell.
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:16 am
@Jadzia:
Yea, but that really wouldn’t solve the problem of everyone being too far from everyone else. We need that idea, but inverted! All cities on the INSIDE of the planet :O
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Katherine:
I hope I didn’t imply any judgment on my part with the question (I don’t like the way many in society *expect* women to shave their legs). I’m just curious as to where the idea for women to shave their legs comes from.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Thunk:
Thanks for the advice. I shall try it out when the stork drops off more eggs!
Beatrice:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:19 am
I’m wondering when it became the norm(?) that women shave their forearms. I’ve recently noticed that a lot of women do it here.
thunk, sadly not in gale crater:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Ah, map folding.
Well, being the somewhat road geek that I am, I’m somewhat opposed, as the ends of i-75 would probably not match up.
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:22 am
@Nutmeg:
I dunno how it’d work on blonde hair. I’ve got very dark hair, so it doesn’t look any more dark after growing back. It works pretty darn good though. Doesn’t come back too quickly, either. It misses some areas (sides of my wrists) but overall I’m happy with the results.
Of course, that’s just my arms, I dunno how other peoples’ hair might react.
Louis:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:24 am
PZ #259,
“Have her shaved and brought to my trailer”, the refrain of the Rock Star Blogger everwhere.
Louis
Lynna, OM:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Kirk Cameron has put his foot in his mouth … again.
Kirk made mini-propaganda films for NOM (National Organization for Marriage) before, and now he has made a new one for NOM’s Marriage Anti Defamation Alliance.
Excerpt from coverage on Salon’s website:
Excellent video also available at the above link … “excellent” if you rate Kirk’s videos by the number of facepalms and headdesks it prompts.
Mattir:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Kat, the Mattir Fabmilly Homeskool would love to join a game evening. I might not play games, but I’d be glad to contribute food and fiber arts, and SonSpawn has been bothering me about getting together to game with you literally since we first met. So, yeah, a DC game evening would be awesome.
Also, January (MLK weekend 2013) will be CAMP PHARYNGULA, at an environmental education center nearish to DC. Merit badges are a possibility, although probably in subjects not normally covered by the official Boy Scout program.
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@Tony:
No no, it’s okay. Nothing directly at you. I just hate how often I get the ‘you don’t have to shave’ from people when I tell them I get my legs waxed. I don’t do it for anyone else’s comfort but my own, so stop telling me what I don’t have to do.
@Mattir:
I’d love to have the Mattir Family along! They’re fun board games, so you may even enjoy them.
rorschach:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:41 am
The other elephant in the room of course being, what stages of HL were looked at for this study ? I haven’t done any actual oncology for 10 years, so I’m out of the loop there a bit, but 98% 5-year survival sounds pretty grand. Guess they weren’t stage four’s ?
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:45 am
I hate having underarm hair, because I hate how it feels, but I also REALLY hate shaving my legs. Hate it. Giant waste of my time, plus I am terrible at it and inevitably manage to jerk or twitch or just somehow slice myself up or miss half my leg or something. But I continue to have internalized shit about it being “ugly” or “gross” to have hair on my legs. Which is why, despite it being 90 degrees outside, I am sitting here in long pants. I don’t know whether I’d still be doing this without the whole self-body-shaming deal, because people would give me shit about it anyway. But misogynistic self-hatred is some bullshit.
Lynna, OM:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:53 am
I suppose everyone has seen by now the footage of a Romney campaign bigwig explaining that Romney “retroactively retired” from Bain Capital, but I thought I would post Comedy Central’s take on this anyway.
http://www.indecisionforever.com/blog/2012/07/16/mitt-romney-retroactively-retired-bain-capital-time-lord
More coverage here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/16/1110423/-Romney-spokesman-explains-campaign-s-announcement-that-Mitt-has-retroactively-retired-from-Bain
From the Twitter stream: “New immigration plan: Instead of self-deporting, illegal immigrants should just #retroactively not come to America.”
dysomniak, darwinian socialist:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:59 am
@nutmeg
Hair growing back darker is an old wives tale.
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
@Lynna:
We could have fun with this hashtag XD
Nutmeg:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
dysomniak: Your link is borked.
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
GROAN
chigau (女性):
July 16th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
I’d like to get to work in the garden but the cat is sleeping on my clothes.
carlie:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I keep my arms and legs shaved mostly for the whole “lifetime of conditioning to do so” thing, but also because as an overweight person, people automatically bias towards “slovenly and gross” for my body type. Anything that deviates from “clean and tidy and put together” just makes that perception worse, so I try to look decent according to societal norms.
Julia Child’s method of perfect hard-boiled eggs (mostly):
Put eggs in water. Boil. When the water reaches boiling point, turn off the heat and let the eggs sit for 17 minutes. (covered)
Put eggs in icewater for at least 2 minutes.
To peel, then put an egg back in the hot water for about 10 seconds.
The icewater cools it down and shrinks the egg from the shell, the hot water expands the shell a little to separate it even more.
dianne:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I haven’t done any actual oncology for 10 years, so I’m out of the loop there a bit, but 98% 5-year survival sounds pretty grand.
It was. Then. It’s improved. (Also note that this is for young people-age 15-29-survival is much lower in older people, although 30-39 may be catching up to the younger population. It goes way down to about 60% when you’re talking about age 60+.)
Guess they weren’t stage four’s ?
Sadly, both the US and German databases are in denial about hematologic malignancies having stage, so can’t definitively comment. But stage IV wasn’t removed or anything. It’s just all HL.
ImaginesABeach:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
I remember having this same conversation about body hair in a women’s study class back in the late 80s. We decided pretty much the same as is being said today – the whole shaving thing is part of a body-shaming thing, but pretty small in the grand scheme of things (compared to body shape issues, for example) and women should just do whatever they want with their body hair and should not feel bad or be pressured to feel bad about shaving. Or about not shaving. Deodorant seems to work better when I shave. Hair rubbing on stockings or pants feels icky. So I shave pits, and shave legs in the winter. And by golly, it’s my hair to do with what I wish.
ixchel, the jaguar goddess of midwifery and war ॐ:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Ing,
It depends on your local congregation. You can start by doing a search on their website to find those near you. At least the biggest one (and maybe others) will probably be a Welcoming Congregation.
Richard Austin:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
I actually think it’s a “youth” thing – even male models generally shave body hair, sometimes under duress, to look younger and more fit (shaved bodies seem to show off muscle more).
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Didn’t someone say something once about mouthyb hurling citations like thunderbolts? Clearly some kind of deity. Look at the Wiki now.
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Looks like Hooloovoo and Jessa have been adding stuff too! Eeee!
Dalillama, Schmott Guy:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Totally rupt, my new job has been shifting my schedule around and I spent last week as a sleep-deprived zombie. Unfortunately, I don’t get my first full paycheck until the end of next month, and unemployment cut off as soon as I was hired, so that’s fun.
@ All
@Ing:
You got hired, yes? if so, congrats, if not commiserations
@Josh:
Yay for the cool party. Also, proper pico de gallo has crushed garlic in my book.
@Katherine:
I’d love to come to a boardgame night, if only I wasn’t on the other side of the continent.
@shaving:
I tried shaving my lower body a couple times (my upper body doesn’t have much hair), but I got really painful ingrown hairs on my scrotum, among other places, both times, so that was the end of that.
@others:
Yay and/or sad, as appropriate.
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Hey PZ! THANK YOU!
*runs around excitedly*
Audley Z. Darkheart, liar and scoundrel:
July 16th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Tony at 285:
Oh oh oh! I can answer this! Women started shaving because of an advertising gimmick. I shit you not.
Between the turn of the 20th century and 1920 or so, a technique for the mass manufacture of sheer fabrics was developed. However, sheer clothing was a tough sell, so an advertising company decided to begin to sell razors to women for the first time so they could “wear the latest styles without the embarassment of unsightly hair”. As you may have guessed, the advertising campaign worked for both safety razors and sheer/short clothing.
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 16th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
I request body hair when commission pr0n in part to avoid feeling like a paedophile.
Audley Z. Darkheart, liar and scoundrel:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
(I would like to thank all of those semesters of theater history classes for my knowlege of clothing/grooming trends. Seems they weren’t as useless as my dad feared!)
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Dalillama:
That is painful, true.
Doesn’t bean shaving with a Gillette Mach 3 razor and getting several nicks on your scrotum. Electric shavers fare no better when shaving de balls.
I imagine women have to be very careful when they shave down there.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Audley:
So it wasn’t rooted in sexism?
Uh wow.
Audley Z. Darkheart, liar and scoundrel:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Tony,
If you have to change your body to be femininely fashionable, that’s pretty sexist, no?
Paul:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
No more than this one, anyway. Keep in mind the environment that those advertisers that came up with the ad campaign were operating in. They weren’t trying to sell sheer clothing to men and telling them to banish that “unsightly hair”. Do we assume that commercials on TV nowadays aren’t sexist unless there is deliberate sexism by those making them?
All that Audley’s post makes me think of is the tapeworm ads to help shed those unsightly pounds, or those ads to help women put on a few pounds to avoid looking sickly (oddly enough, you’d see both during the same time period). Just because it wasn’t a mustachioed Big Brother telling them how their body should look doesn’t make it any less rooted in body shaming or sexism.
Audley Z. Darkheart, liar and scoundrel:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
In other words: Women were told that they weren’t good/pretty enough to wear the latest fashions unless they changed themselves. All in order to sell shit.
Sorry, but I count that as really cynically sexist.
Audley Z. Darkheart, liar and scoundrel:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Or what Paul said. :)
cicely:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Indeed. These days I seem to have an enhanced chance of ingrown hairs, with added MRSA. So not worth it.
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kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
birgerjohansson
Oh well that’s easy. There was less surveillance then because less surveillance was needed, y’see. Not so many uppity you-know-whos and you-know-whats looking to cause trouble.
hair, extermination of
I wax. Insert mandatory “terribly unfeminist” disclaimer here, I guess. I find wax (hard wax mostly with some homemade sugar wax now and again, although I like the hard wax better) to be less wasteful. less uncomfortable and more efficient of my time than shaving, and the pain doesn’t bother me much (esp. compared to razor burn and stubble) so yeah.
Although in the winter I tend to let it grow, mostly because in the winter I want to minimize the amount of time I spend naked in our drafty bathroom.
I really, really love the silky feeling of waxed skin, and if anything I wish that it was socially considered an unremarkable thing for anyone of any gender to do if they enjoy it. Kind of like makeup.
ButchKitties:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
One of my favorite feelings in the world is putting on a pair of fresh-from-the-dryer pajama pants right after I’ve shaved my legs.
Gnumann, メンズ権利活動家国家の売国奴:
July 16th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Confession-time (TMI-sensitive people might want to skip this):
Every time I hear a woman talk about waxing, I envision waxing my balls.
Then I have to sit in my closet for some time…
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
I don’t think anybody already linked to it here? But Natalie is going through a rough time. She’s mentioned that, if people are thinking of contributing to her tip jar, now would be a good time to do it. Just a heads up for people who may be interested/able.
Dr. Esteleth Dyke, Medicine Woman and Snark Machine:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Once upon a time (i.e. when I was an undergrad), if you’d seen me, you would have seen a pile of muscle, smelling strongly of chlorine. And all but hairless except on my head.
Which is to say that I shaved my legs, arms, and back.
(5 points and a grog to the first person who guesses why.)
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Swimmer :P reduce friction.
Grog? *bounce*
Gnumann, メンズ権利活動家国家の売国奴:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Sanitization after skinnydipping in the slimepit?
Seriously though, does waxing really help swimmers, or is it just a placebo? Sharks seem to go faster on account of an uneven skin…
carlie:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
C-sections require the area to be shaved.
Then there is a large incision that heals, right in the same area.
Ingrown hairs into healing incisions are Very Bad Things.
Dr. Esteleth Dyke, Medicine Woman and Snark Machine:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
*passes out grog*
Waxing? Never waxed. Shaving, followed by a coat of vaseline, was my trick.
Ms. Daisy Cutter, Vile Human Being:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I missed most of the “Excellent Plan” thread while it was going on, as I was at the SpokesGay’s slumber party. Wordplague reads like a Poe generator. Also, my next band will be called the Vaginal Blood Burps. Either that or Lukimia of Fun.
Hi, David! Long time no see. Hope Jules feels better soon.
Kristin, #455, last thread: There are no words. Meanwhile, Jamie Dimon loses $5.8 billion, and he still has a job.
Audley:
Congrats! :)
Gnumann:
Don’t expect much.
Chas:
Yes, the particulars in that quote were wrong, but please spare us from a defense of Larry Summers, kthx.
Beatrice, men’s shaving cream here smells strongly of cologne. I usually get the drugstore-branded women’s shaving gel.
Carlie, soap doesn’t work that well for me as a shaving lather.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 16th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Swimmer!
(So was one of my SiLs.)
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
@kristinc
Agreed.
Though I never use wax. I used to use an epilator, but if I wait too long between using it, it hurts too much so shaving is just easier.
As for makeup, mascara is pretty much all I can be bothered with.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Gnumann:
Out of curiosity, do we have any TMI sensitive people here?
Gnumann, メンズ権利活動家国家の売国奴:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
I didn’t – but: Yikes!
It does if you get a good-quality badger brush. Far better than the ultra-dense tin-foams. Since it’s not so dense you’ll need to let it soak a bit more. So you’ll need to add a minute or two to your shaving times. Also, wetter hairs are easier on the razor, so you don’t have to change that so often. That should let you save in the cost of the brush in, say, 30-40 years of shaving.
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
No but we do have scrotal sensitive people here.
cicely:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Same thing for Hysterectomies With All The Trimmings™, at least where we’re talkin’ the transverse-the-entire-abdomen approach. They shaved everything south of my belly button. I didn’t have trouble with hairs ingrowing along the scar, but elsewhere…*shudder* At least the MRSA wasn’t an Optional Extra for me at that time.
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I waxed one time. The owwies were too much for me to repeat it.
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Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
I’m not sure if this shirt is better for Rorschach or TLC
Louis:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Okay who’s going to be first with the Dr Evil quote?
I deny no one their personal preferences, live and let live sayeth I, but a perfectly hairless scrotum? Thanks but no thanks. The Gentlem Vegetables in general have that last chicken in the shop look, making them look like bald turkey neck to boot, I’m thinking aesthetic own goal.
Don’t get me wrong, tidying the man bush and trimming the stray tagnuts is a healthy thing to do for the sexually active gentleman around town, but hairless balls? Might as well iron out the creases and have two billiard balls down there.
Louis
codobus:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
How strange, I start shaving my legs again after years, and suddenly it’s a topic on TET. I know how much other people hate it, and eventually I might feel the same, but for the feel of pants on shaven legs I’d go through a lot :D
Since the subject is up. I’ve been thinking about waxing, bout how long does it last?
I find it strange how so many women in this thread wish they weren’t pressured by society to keep shaven legs, yet I’m effectively relying on that expectation and pressure myself to reduce my dysphoria, and express who I feel I am inside, since I have so few avenues of expression available to me at the moment. In essence, the societal pressure is actually making me feel better, and that makes me extremely uncomfortable.
I hope I’m clear in that paragraph, just woke up and might have left out some crucial thoughts here.
kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
It sounds like nonsense but I’ve found the pain level really depends on the wax. I’m not sure why this would be except that between soft and hard wax, soft wax methods allow the skin to snap around and be pulled more. But then some people say that soft wax is less painful, so …
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Louis:
Plus if you shave completely, there’s less dental floss.
Louis:
July 16th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Tony,
A gentleman always flosses.
Louis
P.S. Never, EVER wax your balls. Rugby, again. Seriously, the list of stupid shit we didn’t do between the age of 7 and 30-ish is smaller than the list of stupid shit we did do.
Ms. Daisy Cutter, Vile Human Being:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
“Rightbloggers Love Mitt Romney Since He Pissed Off Black People.” After his NAACP speech, he told a bunch of donors in Monata,
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
If you think waxing is painful, try Laser Hair Removal (LHR). 5 or 6 years ago, at the height of my workout phase, I began to realize how much I disliked some of my body hair, so I started LHR.
Disclaimer:
Over the course of 10 treatments, 4 years, and a few thousand dollars, I have much less back, chest, neck, and facial hair (in the cheek area). The first 3 or 4 treatments were the most painful, as the more hair present, the more intense the zap is. As you become less hairy, there’s simply fewer hairs to destroy, so it hurts less. The neckline was the most painful.
Oh, and LHR isn’t 100% guaranteed to rid you of body hair. I still have some on the various parts I went through treatment on (which has resulted in me being a bit frustrated at paying nearly 4K on LHR that achieved maybe 75% of my goal). It looks odd on my face, for instance, when I go several days without shaving b/c you see patches of no hair.
One wacky anecdote:
The first 4 or 5 treatments, the smell of burnt hair was identical to movie popcorn.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Louis:
Ever NAIR your balls?
Ooooooh, not a good idea.
I guess that’s why they put a disclaimer on the bottle to NOT do that.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Ms. Daisy:
Since when are you a vile human being?
You seem so sweet and innocent. Some might say ‘angelic’ :)
Ms. Daisy Cutter, Vile Human Being:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Lolz, Tony.
The worst of the trolls on the Tosh thread called me a “vile human being” because, after he told us he’d been raped as a child, I’d expressed genuine sympathy for that while pointing out that it didn’t excuse his misogyny.
Muse:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Ing – this is why secular humanistic Judaism works for me. There is an extremely strong social justice thread in Jewishness.
Kat – I game. I’m in.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 16th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Tony: Oooh, very nice shirt. Unfortunately I never wear white at all, normally, but I might be tempted to make an exception for that.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Two FtB questions:
Why do some of the blogs allow direct replies to a specific comment, while others (such as Pharyngula) don’t?
What is pinging?
~~
Ms. Daisy:
Sounds like that guy wasn’t thinking rationally. If you really *were* a vile human being, I don’t think you would have shown him any sympathy.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
TLC:
Yeah, I’m liking the shirt too.
I wonder if there are people who can’t make out the critter, and if so, what do they see?
Dr. Esteleth Dyke, Medicine Woman and Snark Machine:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Tony @350,
Pharyngula does not allow nested comments. It gets too confusing after a bit.
So we just use the method of referring to the comment number.
Gnumann, メンズ権利活動家国家の売国奴:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Because nested comments are worse than Alisa Rozenbaum, but some FtB’ers are ignorant of this fact.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Ms. Daisy:
I like your “Where I was. Where I am. Where I’m going’ post. From your comments, you’ve changed quite a bit over just a short period of time.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Esteleth:
So each blogger can decide on allowing nested comments or not? Cool.
I’m glad Pharyngula doesn’t have them. I didn’t understand the difficulty at first, but quickly came to ‘get’ it.
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 16th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
It’s up to the individual bloggers whether they want their comment sections to be an unreadable mess, or if they prefer people to hold a conversation as here on Pharyngula.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 16th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Yeah I’m glad there’s no nested comments here. That’d be an absolute fucking nightmare. It’s bad enough on smaller blogs.
Seriously. Imagine we had nested comments here. Imagine if you had to scroll all the way back through TET to see if someone replied to you. It’d be horrible confined to just the current iteration, and absolutely unusable if people were going back to old editions of TET to post replies.
So yeah… keep the nested comments away.
kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
I find the complete smoothness lasts maybe a week. Not as long as most waxes claim, for sure, but longer than shaving, at least for me where the next day or 2 I have sandpapery stubble. Also, the hairs that grow in don’t feel as sharp because they grow in with their brand new baby hair edge, not a chopped-off-blunt edge. And yes, Virginia, they *do* get finer with time.
I admit that a certain geeky and gross fascination with yanked-out hairs plays into my preference for waxing and my relative lack of minding the trouble it takes.
Beatrice:
July 16th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Nested comments are evil.
*sprinkles holly
watergrog in their general direction to ward them off*The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 16th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Holly Grog?
aren’t Holly berries toxic to humans?
Beatrice:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
I’m going to pretend that extra “l” appeared there all by itself. It’s a mystery.
Beatrice:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
And while I’m mentioning grog, have some, it’s on me.
We’re celebrating the last day of doing surveys. It also means the last salary for the foreseeable future, but at least I’m done going to strangers’ houses (or rarely, calling them on the phone) and trying to convince them to give me detailed information about their finances. You can imagine how well that went.
birgerjohansson:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
“Never, EVER wax your balls”
Is this practice connected with the practice in Genesis of making an oath while holding someone’s testicles?
— — — — —
I have been thinking about the whole temptation of Christ story.
It is obvious it was written by people who thought the Earth was flat, and that you don’t need oxygen in the stratosphere.
Explaining away the story might be like this:
.
Q: Where did Jesus find the oxygen tank?
A: They might been left behind by some careless sherpas…now concentrate on the moral message instead!
Q: Why do they imply the Earth is flat?
A: The story is just a parable.
Q: Isn’t the Bible supposed to be taken literally?
A: Mmm….Yes. Actually, just because the world is round now does not mean it was in biblical times.
Q: So you mean, the Earth changed?
A: Yes.
Q: Like Midgård, after the sinking of Numenor when the Valar became physically separated from the mortals in Midgård?
A: Don’t be silly! “The Silmarillon” is just a silly story!
Q: As opposed to?
(noise of pupil getting smacked on the head)
thunk, not approaching gale crater:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I’m somewhat impartial to nested comments– if done right, they’re not that bad.
But they’re done wrong on FTB.
The alternative straight comments aren’t bad either– they do simplify replying, but it’s sometimes hard to find an individual topic.
And also, Jesus Haploid Christ, can we get rid of the fixed-width format? This is 2012!
birgerjohansson:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
@kristinc
“I really, really love the silky feeling of waxed skin”
You are channeling the captain of the Undead Task Force
(MTV’s “Death Valley”)!
— — — — — —
“the practice in Genesis of making an oath while holding someone’s testicles”
Gives a new meaning to “handshake deal”.
Dilapidation of the area would probably have been welcome,
but good luck doing it with just bronze razors.
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Day 16: There Be Rats Here!
Rubin’s Ratlets, Day 6.
cm's changeable moniker:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
No. ;)
Text is easier to read in short lines. (See: newspaper columns.)
The reason is that your eyes take in several words at a time, only making two or three stops on the way across, and it’s easier to find the next line if they don’t have to backtrack so far.
Wide text is harder to read because it tries to thwart evolution. :)
Beatrice:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Esme’s spawn are adorable.
birgerjohansson:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
From another thread:
“Calling a creationist a scientist is as offensive as praising a pyromaniac for their skill at carpentry, when all they’ve shown is a talent for destroying things, and typically have a complete absence of any knowledge of wood-working. Producing charcoal and ash is not comparable to building a house or crafting furniture or, for that matter, creating anything.
.
Brilliant! It actually covers populist politicians as well, you know,
those who tear down functioning institutions to cut taxes a few cents. Make it easier for business? Just halve the funding of EPA (yes, zombie Reagan, I am looking at you). Help banks expand? Throw away regulations that have been painstakingly built since the great Depression.
Spock: “Historically, it is easier to destroy than to create”
(Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan)
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
This is what passes for a harassment accusation “ruining someone’s life,” according to a troll over at Crommunist whom I can’t stomp satisfyingly because the thread is a week old. Boo.
cm's changeable moniker:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
I’m somewhat perturbed that Rubin’s pups are sitting on the WSJ.
(I wouldn’t have thought it the newspaper of choice for the Horde!)
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 16th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Caine: Simply adorable.
My wild rat is slowly getting bolder about leaving his nest and checking things out. Yeah, His. I was totally mistaken in branding him a little female. So glad I didn’t decide to get ‘her’ a female cagemate.
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 16th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Beatrice:
I think so too. :D Thank you.
cm:
It isn’t, I swear! It’s available at Steffes, where Mister works. I asked him to bring home a bunch of newspaper for shredding and nesting purposes, which is a good purpose for it, eh? :D
TLC:
Oh my! I’m glad you held off on a cagemate too. I’m jazzed to hear he’s getting bolder and more curious about things, good work, TLC.
Owlmirror:
July 16th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
In that thread, I got annoyed enough at scientist/creationist Henry F. Schaefer III that I wondered if a better analogy might be that of an architect/terrorist. One reason that “terrorist” works better than “pyromaniac” is that a pyromaniac has a psychological compulsion to simply destroy/burn, but a terrorist has an ideological commitment to some cause which then leads to wanting to destroy. A matter of nuance, perhaps.
Schaefer is fine with adding to the “building” (quantum chemistry) he’s working on, and is also fine with attacking/demolishing the “buildings” that he’s opposed to, and thus not working on (evolutionary biology, palaeontology).
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 16th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
I kinda want to get him a male cagemate… but I’m scared he’ll kill the intruder. Still… I feel bad for him being lonely in that cage.
I’m sure it’s better than being killed as a pest, but still.
birgerjohansson:
July 16th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
“Dwayne Johnson Says He May Play Lobo” http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=92572
(I just have to say it) “Lobo: A Contract on Gawd” ?
Or maybe a film adaptation of the album where Lobo meets the Easter Bunny, and Santa is an exploitative employer of the gnomes working in his sweatshop. (I could be confusing it with a “Hitman” story)
Lonely Panda, e.s.l.:
July 16th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Tony @350
Pinging: when someone writes on their own blog about some other blog post (probably with a different author), the blog software can automatically generate a comment on the referenced post linking back to the referencing post. This way there are links in both directions between the two posts.
Rev. BigDumbChimp:
July 16th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
This map should be obvious…
A map of tweets in the US about beer vs. church.
I’m doing my part to turn Charleston, SC blue.
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 16th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
TLC:
I wouldn’t worry about that now, work on getting him socialized with you. A lot of rats live as single rat pets and are perfectly happy doing so. Our first rat, Ash, was a single rat and seriously bonded to us. He was a very happy rat.
Besides, what happens if you get a domestic rat and things don’t work out? Then you have two rats to house separately with both unhappy.
cm's changeable moniker:
July 16th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
I’m cm’s changeable moniker, and I approve this message. ;)
birgerjohansson:
July 16th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Tropical butterfly discovered in Quebec a sign of warming http://phys.org/news/2012-07-tropical-butterfly-quebec.html
Soon you can complement your rats with capybaras.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 16th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Birger: like this?
thunk, not approaching gale crater:
July 16th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
cm:
I guess it just bothers me to see most of the screen blank.
But with the threaded comments, this fixed-width format squeezes the text up against the right with several replies
so
it
ends
up
loo-
king
like
this
;)
kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
My cat caught a cedar waxwing :( (I know. I KNOW. He’s supposed to be an indoor cat, I swear.)
My kid managed to catch him and get the bird, which is alive, and I don’t see any gaping wounds although she was bleeding, looks pretty shocky, and it is far from improbable that she just might keel over from that alone.
The nearest wildlife place is in Maple Valley, an hour’s drive away. Looks like our evening is shot. (Not as shot as the birdie’s evening is, though. Perspective.)
Nggghhhhhhhhh.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 16th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Kristinc: With birds, puncture wounds from cats, even if not immediately fatal, will likely get deeply infected. At least that’s what I’ve heard.
I like cedar waxwings, btw.
Owlmirror:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
One way of dealing with WordPress nested comments:
1) Use Firefox
2) Install the Addon called “HackTheWeb” (a newer version of what used to be called Aardvark, except development on Aardvark stopped with Firefox 3.something)
3) Right-click on the comments, and choose HackTheWeb (also works from the Tools menu)
4) Press “w” (for “wider”) until the tooltip on the bottom left says:
div, id: content5) Press “i” (for “isolate”). This removes everything except the post and comment text, and allows the text to flow all the way across the screen.
6) Press “q” (for “quit”)
7) Read.
Note that the change is not permanent, so if you screw up, you just need to refresh the page, and everything will be back the way it was. On the downside, if you want to load more comments, you’ll need to do steps 3-6 again.
David Marjanović:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
A regular who hasn’t shown up often since the move to FtB.
She’s much better now, probably because of the meds she told me to buy this morning.
:-o GAH! I was only told last year in Rhinebeck that some Americans do that now! And now it has already arrived in Croatia?
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Nested comments are great – if you don’t have many comments. Over about 20, and it gets hard to follow. More, and it’s ridiculous.
Carlie, stop hogging all the cilantro!!
I don’t shave. Or do any other kind of depilation. I used to think that “shave and it grows back stronger” was true, because I really don’t have much leg hair. My bloke doesn’t shave either, though he does trim the beard. He tried shaving his head once, but it made him look like a thug, so it’s the no. 3 clippers now.
kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
I’m hoping they can give her antibiotics, yeah. I know that cat’s mouths contain some icky wee beasties.
She’s very pretty (and so frightened. I wish I could explain to her).
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Aww, kristinc. I hope she’s okay. :(
—
I’m sorta… pissy right now. Sounds are making me angry again, I’m rocking in my seat, and I can hear every single sound and my brain is apparently trying to listen to all of them at once. My mom just asked me what was wrong. What’s wrong? STOP TALKING is what’s wrong! AAAA! I was hungry and I’m having a headache that may be insufficient-caffeine-induced, so maybe those are why.
Beatrice:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
It seems so. I’ve even gone and googled depilacija ruku and there are pages of (mostly forum discussions) about it. Note the pages with “teen” in the title. Even if it’s not the norm yet, it will soon become, with teens being taught that it’s “necessary”.
Pteryxx:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
eeee Caine, Rubin’s ratlets have a potential golden too! and the white-nose is adorable… IIRC that’s an unusual patterning for rats. Thanks for the pics!
Beatrice:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
I think I’m going to start using “go hug a cactus” for all the compulsive huggers who would just die if they couldn’t come up to strangers and hug them without asking.
Nightjar:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Aww, poor bird. Hope she makes it.
Some months ago, my cat (which is also supposed to be an indoor cat) escaped through an open window, caught a mole and brought it into my room. How the fuck did she do that in such a brief period of time and with practically no hunting experience I do not know. As far as I could tell, the poor thing was completely unharmed (but looked scared as hell) so I just released it outside.
I mean, it was kinda cool, you don’t get to hold a mole in your hands and observe it everyday. But still, I wish she would let wildlife critters alone.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 16th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Nightjar: Having seen a mole once myself, would you agree that they’re probably one of the worst adapted animals for running?
kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Nightjar, I vividly remember the day my aunt’s cat caught a mole, and she put it into a small aquarium with dirt and brought it over for me to see. Probably not so cool for the mole, but I thought it was great. (My aunt let it go afterward, of course.)
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 16th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
*having seen a mole run once rather
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Boy had a wisdom tooth taken out last week.
Operation went like a breeze.
Was put on Amoxicillin(sp? (Hala Tpyos adn lal taht!)).
Last night he got hives.
Hives got worse.
We have now found the first thing that Boy is allergic to: penicillin.
So he is now on prednisone (which spell check wants to change to prisoner?).
Oh, joy and happiness unforeseen!
Janine: Fucking Dyke Of Rage Mountain:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Ms. Daisy Cutter, this was probably before you became a regular but I was once called a vile bitch by a christianist troll. So I used that as my moniker for a while. It was funny how many trolls would just refer to me as the vile bitch instead of my name. It was the beginning of my use of bitch in my monikers.
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 16th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
We had a cat once who systematically went after moles when she had kittens.
–o–
Just read PZ’s Maundering post. It turns out Google Maps has decided to ignore my childhood home.
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
TLC:
Having seen a young bull moose running eastbound (I was on the western end) at full speed, I’ll put in a vote for mooses as the funniest looking animal at full speed. They look like they have way the hell too many knees.
Voles, on the other hand, manage to look like a small fuzzy brick moving across the landscape with nothing moving underneath.
kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Birdie is resting on her chest now, rather than laying on her side. :)
Sili (I have no penis and I must jizz):
July 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
moosei? moosae? mooses? mice?
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
@Tony
I think I’ve done the most painful hair-removal thing possible. Laser on the face. It works by transporting heat into the hair follicle. The denser the hair growth, the more heat absorbed, which increase pain – and leave burns and blisters that may last for a week.
Beat that!
Jadzia626:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
But, time for bed, and another episode of Downton Abbey!
carlie:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
“Snookums prefers the rubber Wall Street Journal to the rubber Washington Post.” +1 internets to anyone who knows that reference. :)
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Pteryxx:
You’re welcome! Yes, the white blaze on Rubin’s nose is why we brought her home, because it was similar to Chas’s white blaze, although smaller. I’m looking forward to seeing what they’re going to look like.
I’ve decided to move my studio downstairs, which is *huge* (and my current studio is pretty damn big) and will make for easier management of the ratses. This will take weeks to pull off though, and as I fell halfway down the stairs the other day, will have to wait for spine recovery too.
Pteryxx:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Like a cursor!
Cavies (guinea pigs) aren’t quite THAT flat, but when one escapes in a big yard, it’s amazing how fast something with practically no legs can haul.
(random cavy videos because youtube has everything:)
Gpigs racing for bets
Gpig runs up stairs
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Yes! Not perfectly smooth– they don’t glide, the jerk really, really, really quickly.
When I was in Colorado, I counted fifty crossing the dirt road I was at within 15 minutes. Near as I could tell, 80% were going west. “Go West! Young Vole!”
cicely:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Agreed.
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The Muppets Take Manhattan.
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Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Caine:
The ratlets are so damned cute, they’re gonna make me cry!
And you named one Giles…
:)
cicely:
July 16th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
And I’m glad to hear that Jules is doing better.
*hugs* and *chocolate*
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Jessa:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Score! I was sorting through my yarn stash and found five skeins of Mission Falls 1824 cotton in a lovely sage color. Looks like Darkfetus will be getting another hand-knit gift! *rummages around to find the BSJ pattern*
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
David:
Guy here, but I used to shave my forearms. I like the feel of it wrapped up in silky sheets. I also think I see definition in my forearms with all that pesky hair buzzed off.
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Beatrice:
Alternately, we could use that as a substitute for the porcupine meme…
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Oggie:
Hopefully the spawn won’t be suffering from hives much longer.
I wonder, are allergies to penicillin common?
~~
On the way to the gym today, I turned on a radio station (rare, as I usually listen to CD’s), and it happened to be a local soul channel. The host was remarking at how he and a few others (all male) were criticized recently by some of their female listeners. Why?
Apparently, he [and these other men] made some comments about how women should be happy to have a husband who gives them the option to stay at home instead of work.
He couldn’t understand why the women were upset.
Gee, I wonder why.
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Cooking dinner now. Oven roasted tilapia (seasoned with fresh sage, rosemary, lemon/pepper seasoning, garlic powder and cayenne pepper) and carrots (for T, not me; she likes almost anything edible, so the carrots are all hers; I’m putting mine over a side salad with romaine, spinach, sunflower seeds, this really awesome sweet granola crunchy stuff I found at Publix, raw carrots, and onions. Think I’m going to read some more of The God Delusion and the bible (wish there was a way to minimize the font on that; it doesn’t seem right to include those books in the same sentence)
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Jadzia:
I may have left it out of my post about LHR, but I had it done to my neck and cheeks. It was really painful just under my goatee, and on both sides of my mouth. So we can commiserate together :)
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Caine:
You fell down the stairs?
I hope you’re feeling ok and that it wasn’t too bad a fall.
~~
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
For the Star Trek lover in you
Alfred sure picked a great time for his week’s paid vacation
thunk, not approaching gale crater:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Ooh. I managed to fly to the moon in orbiter. :)
The landing was… weird.
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
He’ll be on the corticosteroid for twelve days (decreasing doses) but the worst should be gone within 12-36 hours.
As to commonness? Not sure. Father in Law is allergic to penicillin, but no one else in either family, other than Boy, is antiantibiotics.
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
thunk:
Did it make a ‘thunk‘ sound when you landed?
thunk, not approaching gale crater:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Og: No, you know I don’t land very fast.
I don’t actually know how to land, so starting in low lunar orbit, I killed my 1650 m/s velocity with a long engine burn.
Of course, gravity took hold, though I countered that with hover thrust.
And soon enough, wheels were on the ground.
Jessa:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Caine:
Ouch! Here’s hoping for a speedy recovery and less overall drama in the Caine household!
Ogvorbis:
Sorry to hear about your son’s ordeal. Hope he gets better and off the Prednisone soon. That stuff has some pretty nasty side effects*, but a 12-day course shouldn’t be too bad.
*Relatively. I’d take the irritability and weight gain over massive itching hives any day.
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
When I had pneumonia a few years ago (well, actually, it was Acute Reactive Lung Disorder, which is what bronchial pneumonia used to be), that stuff gave me the worst hearburn I’ve ever had in my life.
dysomniak, darwinian socialist:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
I think pretty much everyone I’ve known to shave their arms did it to show off their tattoos better.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Did someone say steampunk?
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Steampunk? Pshaw! Poseurs.
Now THIS is steampunk.
StarStuff, an uppity feminist:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
I’m currently trying to read through all of that freethoughblahgs site. Why can’t I stop?! It’s disturbingly pathetic. Most of it is boring and almost unreadable, and the rest of it is vile stupidity. Someone help me D:
carlie:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
*hands cicely an internet*
I’m so sorry. Our boy suffered a similar fate with zithromax.
Alethea – in retribution for hogging the virtual cilantro, I was given a disaster of having the IRL cilantro in the fridge go bad right before we were about to use it. I had to eat salsa made with no cilantro! *sob*
Dr. Esteleth Dyke, Medicine Woman and Snark Machine:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Can I complain about my body?
I have sebaceous cysts. Like ten of them. D:
I need a dermatologist. Because they’re starting to become noticeable.
Wowbagger, Deputy Vice-President (Silencing):
July 16th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Oh, thanks Tony. I already have 20-something Threadless shirts I struggle to find time to wear more than once every six months(lousy antisocial tendencies)…
[bookmarks anyway]
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 16th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
carlie:
I had a baggie of cilantro go bad in the fridge. Fermented cilantro is an odour that cannot be described in English. So, Мирисаше полошо од четири мртви ден коза опфатени во гранив пиперки!
Dr. Esteleth Dyke, Medicine Woman and Snark Machine:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
…very eloquent, Oggie.
I am impressed.
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Роден е во Македонија,
Се пресели во Ирак,
Кралот Тут!
Dr. Esteleth Dyke, Medicine Woman and Snark Machine:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Я родился в Америке.
Я американец.
Я совершенно в неведении относительно остального мира (как и другие американцы).
Esteleth, Who Knows How to Use Google:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
And that is the extent of my Russian.
ImaginesABeach:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Looking at the Rev.’s twitter map, I’m not surprised to see that the areas in my state that prefer church to beer are pretty much the same areas that vote for Michele Bachmann.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Oggie:
Your steampunk link was borked.
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Wowbagger:
I hear that.
Funny thing: until M passed away, I really didn’t care for print tee shirts. I had a few, but I didn’t really look out for them. OTOH, M was a *huge* t-shirt fanatic. When we were boxing his stuff up, he had IIRC two dresser drawers full of rolled up tee shirts. Between 2010 and now, my appreciation for tees has skyrocketed. I even bought a couple of tees from Wal-Mart last night (one was charcoal shirt with the outline of a phoenix in orange). Target has some really cool tees as well. I love Roadkill too. (their offensive shirts are of questionable quality, so view at your own risk)
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Finally got some photos uploaded.
My tabby, Kayta eating yogurt.
She found me back in 2000. I was living in Huntsville, AL. Returning home from a vacation to Atlanta in January, there was a little kitten outside my apartment door meowing. Winter in Huntsville was no fun, with average temperatures in the 20s and 30s for several months. She seemed like she was hungry, so I gave her some cat food (I had one cat at the time, Kara) and milk (it was many years later that I found out you’re not supposed to give cats human milk). I watched her eat the food, but felt sorry b/c I didn’t know what to do with her. After she finished eating, I turned around to go inside, and she trotted right in behind me, ran straight to my bed, and hopped up on it. The nerve of her :)
She had a collar with a number on it, which I called, but it wasn’t in operation any more. I didn’t know what to do at the time, so instead of leaving her outside, I kept her. After a few trips to the vet, she settled right into the place. She used to be 18lbs. and people would always ask if she was pregnant (her belly used to drag the floor), but she has always loved attention, and is never scared of new people. The only thing she likes more than yogurt is being loved on. She is the only cat that I’ve encountered who drools when pet excessively.
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Tony:
Aaw, thanks! Yes, Giles was the first one named, after Giles de Mer, a character in the Dragon Knight series. Giles is a selkie. :)
Not all the way, thank goodness. If I had, I probably would have broken my neck. As it was, I broke our brand new wireless unit on my way down. Got the replacement today. I whacked my head pretty good and seriously fucked up my back, which was bad enough. I haz goooooooood drugs, though.
Jessa:
Thank you! Less drama would be a very good thing.
rorschach:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Free Will poetry from Ambrose Bierce :
Nutmeg:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
I went out for ice cream tonight with my friend whose sister is expecting triplets. I wrote here about all their family problems a while ago. Things are going okay, and the caesarian is scheduled for Monday or Tuesday next week. That will be at about 35 weeks development, and the triplets are apparently doing pretty well. Two boys, probably identical, and one girl.
I can’t imagine how crazy it’s going to be around there for a while. I don’t have any child-care skills to offer, so I think I’ll just make casseroles and muffins. Lots of casseroles and muffins.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Is Oscar scarier than Jack?
Weed Monkey:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Tony: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315453_474510832560693_1408990495_n.jpg
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
@Tony
Don’t know but that is Cookie Monster
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Ing:
That’s Oscar here in Bizarro world…
(can’t believe I made that mistake)
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
WeedMonkey:
I love that image.
Thanks!
kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
OK, birdie has been dropped off at wildlife rehab center. They say if she recovers fully we may be able to help release her. She was looking much more alert by the time we got there, trying to stand up and responding to stimulus, refusing to stay wrapped in the soft rags.
Get well, birdie!
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Just had a review of my gym program with my physio. She says she’s impressed with my progress and my motivation. It’s hard for me to see that. (I can walk for a whole *5* minutes now, woo-frickin-hoo!)
kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 16th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Oh, picture of her: http://www.flickr.com/photos/28465371@N04/7587926934/
dysomniak, darwinian socialist:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
She’s lovely, kristinc. I hope she pulls through.
thunk, not approaching gale crater:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
And to boot, I got back from the moon.
Lots of potential energy released, but I had an atmosphere to take care of that.
thunk, not approaching gale crater:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
10.5 km/s. Heat shield got nice and toasty.
thunk, not approaching gale crater:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
aw, get well birdie :)
echidna:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Nutmeg,
I’m sure the food will be very welcome.
echidna:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Alethea,
If you are getting feedback like that, it’s progress. I do understand the frustration. Hang in there. *HUGS*
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Alethea, I’m glad to hear your physio is impressed, but I’m sorry it’s so frustrating right now :( *hugs*
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 16th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Alethea:
Don’t worry; you’re making good progress. *Hugs etc*
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 17th, 2012 at 1:01 am
Thanks thunk, Cipher, echidna. It can get pretty depressing at times – all the stuff I usually like to do is off the table, and there’s still no obvious diagnosis beyond asthma and a wibbly wobbly post-infectious fatigue syndrome.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 1:01 am
Sitting here watching a few episodes of Batman: The Animated Series. I never noticed it before, but the style of animation shares much in common with the Max Fleisher Superman cartoons from 1941/’42. The style of animation, in addition to the use of color are better than many other ‘toons in the 40s, 50s and 60s. In fact, I’d argue the animation is better in many ways than that of the 1980s era I grew up in.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 1:06 am
kristinc:
She’s beautiful!
Question:
How does a layperson determine the sex of a bird?
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Alethea:
Every little bit helps (cliched, I know, but it’s still true). You have to start somewhere and it’s not as if your goals are going to be reached in a week. How many minutes were you able to walk before? If it was less than 5, then there’s an accomplishment. Imagine how much more you’ll be able to do in a month :)
ChasCPeterson:
July 17th, 2012 at 1:17 am
Depends on the bird.
Waxwings difer only by the amount and darkness of the chin feathers. Not visible in the photos supplied.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 1:22 am
What does religion have to offer in the face of the Aurora Borealis as seen from orbit? This was breathtaking (wish it were longer)
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 17th, 2012 at 1:25 am
Tony: Which animated Batman is this? Was there one in the 1960s?
When I hear Batman: The Animated Series, I automatically think of the one I grew up with in the 90s. A show that simply oozed atmosphere and grit. Very quality. But, like you, I don’t think I realized it at the time.
The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa):
July 17th, 2012 at 1:28 am
Tony: What Chas said.
I call my bird “Jack” and refer to him as “he” all the time, but “Jack” could very easily be a “Jackie”.
Apparently as far as I can tell with starlings, there are very few reliable indicators.
dysomniak, darwinian socialist:
July 17th, 2012 at 1:29 am
Tony, that was one of the Formative Shows of My Childhood. And it holds up as well as any of them*. Batman Beyond was actually quite good as well, although I didn’t watch that until I was older.
I think alot of people don’t realize just how important that series has become in the canon of the Caped Crusader, what with Harley Quinn and the sympathetic portrayal of Mr. Freeze being worked back into the comic continuity.
Kevin Conroy’s voice work was absolutely amazing. He had a voice for Bruce Wayne and an unmistakably different one for Batman without resorting to some kind of bad karaoke death metal singer. Whenever I read a Batman book, it’s Conroy’s voice I hear. And do I even need to mention Mark Hamill?
*And it goes without saying that it beats the skinny pants off anything the Kids These Days might be watching.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 1:37 am
THIS sound like fun.
The article mentions that this isn’t limited to the English language. Earth-from-space gazers should have a blast!
birgerjohansson:
July 17th, 2012 at 1:55 am
Scandinavian invertebrates:
.
Not quite “Dexter”: Swede in new slimy slug slaughter: 27,000 killed http://www.thelocal.se/42050/20120716/
Stockholm plagued by giant swarm of bees http://www.thelocal.se/42016/20120713/
My beta test of the new strain of killer bees is proceeding to plan.
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 17th, 2012 at 2:35 am
Tony, in 6 weeks (with some gaps), my treadmill time has gone from 3 minutes @ 3kph to 5 mins @ 3.8kph, so that is a really substantial increase. (It’s determined by a combo of heart rate and Borg dyspnoea scale.) I really do know that I have to try to focus on that, and not on what I could do 14 months ago. But it’s hard. So I’m whingeing a bit.
ChasCPeterson:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:02 am
no problem. Wouldn’t think of it.
(I learned that lesson long ago. Even though the only thing I’ve ever said on the internet about Summers is “but that’s not what he said”–I doubt I’ve ever seen anybody who brought him up paraphrase him accurately–that has invariably been interpreted as me agreeing with the person’s misapprehension of what he said.)
*raises one eyebrow at Tony’s refrigerator contents*
theophontes (坏蛋):
July 17th, 2012 at 3:04 am
@ Esteleth
Ten! Aaaargh! I had one and that was already too many. I had it removed under local anesthetic, which was quick and painless – until the anesthetic wore off. Thereafter it felt like I’d been stabbed in the back with a poker.
@ Alethea
Sterkte!
theophontes (坏蛋):
July 17th, 2012 at 3:13 am
@ Tony
Try buildings.
T,H,L and I should be easy. They are common layouts in Cape Dutch architecture.
I have seen C, E,O and U in China.
dysomniak, darwinian socialist:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:15 am
Mmmmmm 1AM dinner: Tempeh, Lettuce and Tomato on toasted whole wheat sourdough.
Setár, self-appointed Elf-Sheriff of the FreethoughtBlogs Star Chamber:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:22 am
So, in the age of automated systems and instantaneous updates, my cell phone will probably not be functional until the end of the week. The overdue bill was (finally) paid by my mother who was supposed to pay it…last Friday during the day.
Gee. I was unaware that corporations were allowed to punish one for late payment by withholding service after payment is made. Oh, wait, it’s not withholding service, they’re just delaying reactivating it because of…because of…umm…uhh…because of…
…umm…
…come on…think…
…because it somehow takes as long or longer to send a signal travelling at c to my Blackberry from somewhere on Earth than it would take to send the same signal to the edge of the solar system.
Somehow.
dysomniak, darwinian socialist:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:36 am
@Setar I feel your pain. I’ve had my internet turned off a couple of times while my check was literally in the mail (and the shutoff notice came after I posted it).
Apropos of (ahem) nothing in particular I have composed a new verse for Phil Ochs’ “Outside of a Small Circle of Friends”
Anyone feel like writing more?
birgerjohansson:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:10 am
(Look at the map) “Extreme Weather Disaster Area: This Is What the Climate Crisis Looks Like” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-gore/extreme-weather-disaster-_b_1675032.html
Very red states…”The U.S. Department of Agriculture has named over 1,000 counties in 26 states as disaster areas — the largest declaration in history” Note that the affected area mostly coincide with states run by denialist politicians :-)
.
Satellite sees Western U.S. high mountain blazes http://phys.org/news/2012-07-satellite-western-high-mountain-blazes.html
— — — —
If a pregnant woman gets rubella it can cause serious dmamage to the fetus.
This should not be a problem with widespread vaccinations, but the town Järna in Sweden is a center for the antroposophic movement who oppose vaccinations. As a result “herd immunity” is no longer working and they have a rubella outbreak. Doctors now warn pregnant women from going to Järna.
(Swedish language link) http://www.dn.se/nyheter/vetenskap/nar-tro-vager-tyngre-an-vetenskapen
Yes, we have organised stupidity in Europe, too.
Nightjar:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:27 am
TLC,
Oh yes. They look ridiculous when they try. Especially evident on my bedroom floor.
Ogvorbis,
Heh. I had a wisdom tooth taken out yesterday (three down, one to go). Which is why I went right to bed after my comment, the painkillers got me all sleepy all of a sudden.
Sorry to hear about his allergy to penicillin.
kristinc,
Good to hear. She’s very pretty. :)
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:28 am
Chas:
If you look in my refrigerator, you’d see there is no room for dead bodies.
Nightjar:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:31 am
And speaking of pretty birds, I just saw a long-tailed tit through the window. Adorable little things.
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:40 am
I never have any human milk around, but I do let my cats have small amounts of cows’ milk. They’re generic tabbies, and a lot of European moggies have lactase persistence from generations of farm life.
tbtabby:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:43 am
Has anyone seen Five Stupid Things for July 16, 2012 yet? Apparently “Rape is funny and it would be really funny if you got raped because rape is funny” is actually some kind of sophisticated irony, and not just a hack comedian pushing buttons for cheap shock value. Normally I agree with stevelikes2curse, but in this case I think he’s giving Daniel Tosh far too much credit.
dysomniak, darwinian socialist:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:44 am
It would be a shame if anyone missed this gem from the @JREF twitter feed*:
One of these things is not like the others…
*Can’t seem to figure out how to link straight to the tweet right now. I blame the late hour and the four pints of IPA. Well, one of ‘em anyways. Probably the last, but no telling with that sort. Shifty bastards, IPAs.
John Morales:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:06 am
Tony,
What if the bodies are in conveniently-sized pieces?
(3-D packing problem)
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:08 am
TLC:
The 90s animated series is the one I’m talking about. Haven’t watched any of the episodes in a while, and a wild hair crawled up my butt tonight.
I loved the grittiness and atmosphere. It was perfectly moody and even managed to become *more* sophisticated as time passed.
According to Wikipedia, it is the second Batman animated series (the first being THIS). He and Robin of course appeared in all incarnations of Super Friends, as well as some 2 part episodes of Scooby Doo. The 60s camp Batman (which was live action) is locked up in some legal issues, which is why it hasn’t been released on DVD/Blu Ray yet.
~~
dysomniak:
I can’t really get into Batman: Brave & The Bold. It’s too simplistic and the animation is too retro. When I think of a Batman animated show, it’s always the Timmverse Batman.
Oh, and I agree about Batman Beyond. What a fantastic show.
~~
Just watched
This Year’s Girlfrom S4 of Buffy. Watching “Hush” right now, and I can’t believe this episode didn’t win any awards. Hush, The Body and Once More, With Feeling are some of the best Buffy episodes.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:17 am
John:
Well, I did go grocery shopping yesterday and did chop up some romaine, some carrots and a few other things. I’m thinking I would remember doing the Wolverine on a dead body.
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:25 am
How…special.
*eyeroll*
KG:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Hmm, I’m wary of appearing to wish natural disaster on areas where climate denialism is strong, but if it has to be someone… I’ve also read recently that the US east coast is likely to see significantly more sea-level rise than most places. The Gulf Stream, which carries water from Florida to Newfoundland then across the Atlantic, is expected to slow (although not, according to current expert opinion, stop), and water will back up and slop over Miami, Washington D.C. and New York.
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:14 am
It’s settled.
My book is ready to be written and finished. (I just have to write it)
I’ve come up with the three acts finally. I know how they end and begin. I know how things are going to play out. The story is ready to be written out in its entirety. I am super-excited!
It has a lesbian couple (who aren’t lesbian for ‘hey look I have a lesbian couple’ but they are just lesbians,) it passes the Bechdel test with flying colors, it has minority characters in important roles. It has drama, it has action, it has humor.
This is the book I’ve been trying to write for 15 years.
Louis:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:18 am
I…
But…
You know the…
Firstly…
Ok. I’m broken by the sheer dumb of that tweet.
I have three coherent thoughts:
1) Recalcitrant, persistent, wilful idiots do not deserve to be dealt with respectfully. More than that, it’s counterproductive to treat them respectfully. Happily the majority of Christians etc are not aggressively this type of person, but there is a definite line that, when crossed by anyone, signals the need to move on from “respectful communication” to different tactics whatever they are.
2) WOMEN ARE NOT SOME HOMOGENEOUS GROUP DEFINED BY COUNTERFACTUAL BELIEFS! THE “BELIEF” THAT WOMEN ARE PEOPLE TOO IS NOT COUNTERFACTUAL!!!!!!!!! ARGH!!!!! LOUIS SMASH!!!!!
3) Penn strikes me as a bit of an arse.
Louis
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Oh and this morning I decided that Karthus is going to be a Freeworlder rather than Trisha. Something irked me about the “white guy with black girlfriend” trope (it’s the ‘safe’ interracial option) so I went with the “black guy with white girlfriend” trope instead. And Karthus was one of those characters who was not quite developed in my mental image.
So now we have a black man running the Investigative Unit. A minority – who has prejudice wielded against him – in a position of power. Eans is a Freeworlder as well, and he will still be killed to push Owin’s characterization.
Nightjar:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:38 am
I, for one, am touched Penn would speak to me respectfully like he does to Christians and ufo believers. It is very considerate of him.
*eyeroll*
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Nightjar:
I imagine Penn’s respectful approach, when it came to a woman would be braying sexism, expecting a woman to be happy at inclusion in the boy’s club. A Tits or GTFO method.
Years ago, I felt sorry in passing for his daughter when he announced he was naming her Moxie. I seriously feel sorry for her now.
carlie:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:25 am
I like how he was speaking to his audience on how to talk to women, implying that there weren’t any women in the audience.
Louis:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:25 am
Caine,
{Glassy look comes over Louis’ visage}
[Menz™ Voice]
I sorry I not read your comment because lack of TITS in.
Please Lady Persons™ with your Pink Fluffy Lady Brainz™, try understand Menz™ need only TITS or SAMMICHES, with teh side orders like blow jobs and beers. Please to not be pretending to has status of real persons like Menz™.
Naughty LadyPerson™ to has sorry feelings for a Menz™’s woman-possession. This could hurt his Man Fee Fees and cause Pee Pee Shrivellege, which is an criminal thing.
You are to being more cautious with Viperous Lady Tongue™ from now on, or else Menz™ will administer Severe Looks™.
[/Menz™ Voice]
{Shakes head}
{Glassy look dissipates}
Whu?
OH NOES!!!! DONTKILLMEPLEASE!!!!! IT WAS AUTOPRIVILEGE CHANNELLING OR SOMETHING!!!!!
Louis
Jadzia626:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:34 am
@Tony
Ah, in that case. Yes, then you know what I’m talking about :)
Nightjar:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:35 am
So I suppose you read comment #477 very attentively, yes?
Louis:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Nightjar,
{Sounds of confusion induced cognitive dissonance and breaking from Louis’ brain}
I…
Bdurp…
SPROING!
Hrnnn hrn hrn Tits. Yuk guffaw snirk
Louis
Jadzia626:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:41 am
I’ve always been somewhat skeptical of Penn’s skepticism. After his outburst on twitter, I pretty much lost all remaining respect for him.
Nightjar:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:44 am
*evil grin*
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Not to worry. That was an attempt at Macedonian.
Jadzia626:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Yet another blogpost about the Tosh hack.
http://www.fem2pt0.com/2012/07/16/surfing-the-rape-wave-what-tosh-teaches-about-humor-power-and-privilege/
This one is very thorough and good.
birgerjohansson:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Did someone say SAMMICHES ?!!!!!!
(starts drooling)
rowanvt:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Thread interrupt-
Newest charge is a little non-native birdlet. S/he is not a happy bird, and knows s/he’s a bird and does NOT believe that I am actually a Provider of the Food.
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7656/einstein1.jpg
birgerjohansson:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:49 am
John:
“What if the bodies are in conveniently-sized pieces?
(3-D packing problem)”
In “Kraken”, Goss and Subby find a solution by folding a victim through an extra dimension.
– — – — –
Still no SAMMICHES! Me hungry! Now bring!
Vilém Saptar:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Hello!
Eesh, why’s there so much hair in the lounge…
cicely, thanks, I don’t do that, but I save a chunk at a time and earmark it for whatever I want to give.
Ogvorbis Oh, sorry about your son and sorry things seem to’ve gotten worse for you. Hope he recovers soon.
Alethea, great to hear! You go!
Caine,They grow up so fast! And rest your back as much as you can.
kristinc,I’m sure that birdie would thank you if it could :)
Tony, dysomniak and TLC, ah finally something I can relate to with some people here. Batman:The animated Series and Batman of the future were amaazing and my faves as a kid, too.
David Marjanović, okay. Good to hear Jules is doing better!
Vilém Saptar:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Thats better. Weird. That “thanks” slipped in and I came off as being dismissive, without meaning to, sorry.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Totally threadrupt. *waves!*
So, for anyone who’s keeping score on Audley’s personal life front (and I know you all are!), my asshole sister is still being an asshole. It’s actually getting to the point where Mr Darkheart and I are considering moving (she’s my downstairs neighbor) just so I can get away from her shit.
Hell, I’ve been fucking kind to her this entire time– taking every single one of her criticisms of me and my doctors (and there’s been a lot, trust me) with a smile and a reminder that we’re all different, when all I really want to do is tell her to fuck off and drop dead.
*sigh* I’m going to take Tony’s advice and write her a letter, I think. At least that way I’m less likely to stick my foot in my mouth.
Sorry ’bout the rant. :(
Janine: Fucking Dyke Of Rage Mountain:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:46 am
No need to apologize, Audley.
It is probably a good idea to get away from her just so that your child does not have to witness this bullshit everyday from her aunt, if not for your own sake.
Matt Penfold:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:50 am
JT had some good advice in a post on his blog in the last day or so. Write the letter, get everything of your chest, then tear it up and start again.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Thanks, Janine.
I just feel like she’s pushing me away and I don’t know why and I feel like there’s nothing I can do to stop it. And above all else, it’s frustrating, you know?
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Thanks, Matt. I’ll do just that.
Giliell, not to be confused with The Borg:
July 17th, 2012 at 10:22 am
HI there
Just returned from an awesome day trip with David and Jules to the natural museum. Lots of dinosaurs to squee at.
So far, everything went fine (although it is an adventure to do such a trip by train and everything with 2 kids, especially if big cities overload your system already).
Had a rather sad experience changing trains in Frankfurt. There was a woman on the train with us who was clearly mentally ill. Probably mostly harmless, but she took to the girls a lot, worried about them a lot, tried to care for them and kind of bothered me.
So I was glad when we got off the train in Frankfurt. Since we had time we went to a stall to buy a drink and a pretzel and a coffee and while I waited there she turned up again.
Well, I said mostly harmless, but I was afraid that she might be one of those people who will totally harmlessly wander off with your kid because she thinks she has to do something for them.
Well, as I was busy herding the kids and making sure they stay with me, the woman at the stall didn’t bother to hand me my change, which I only noticed on the next train. And I’d paid with a 50€ note :(
Audley
Sorry to hear that your sister is still an asshole.
Can you tell her to STFU about your pregnancy if she cares to keep in contact with you?
Janine: Fucking Dyke Of Rage Mountain:
July 17th, 2012 at 10:23 am
This links to Faux News.
Rick Warren is doing an other forum with presidential candidates.
This, coming from a person with connections to Scott Lively and Uganda’s Kill The Gays bill. Let us talk respectfully about if people we do not approve of should be imprisoned and killed.
Evil asshole.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Giliell,
Jealous about David and Jules! Not so jealous about the train experience. :(
Since my computers are down at work, I’m working on that right now. I’m trying not to be too blunt (‘cos lord knows she’ll twist it so she’s the victim in all of this), but I’m trying to be very clear in my letter that she’s hurt me and that where our relationship goes is entirely up to her.
Paul:
July 17th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Found myself wondering today: are there any Pharyngula posters in the Central California region? Not asking for addresses or anything, but I find myself feeling a bit isolated in a rather conservative area.
Louis:
July 17th, 2012 at 10:48 am
1) Audley, your sister, oy vay! I recommend sewing some prawns into the hems of her curtains while she’s out. Nothing says “I disapprove” like the smell of a 2 week old rotting prawn. ;-)
2) [TRIGGER WARNING FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE]
How the fuck did I get to this part of Youtube? Okay so it’s a video from a UK charity (watch the whole thing) that I donate to, but when it popped up in my recommended videos thingy I nearly shat a kidney. This is not what I want to view…and then the penny dropped, it’s a charity advert…have you any idea how hard it is to resituate a kidney? Using only a spork?
Louis
Richard Austin:
July 17th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Paul: we’ve got peeps in the bay area, and a few of us coastal or in SoCal. I don’t know of any specifically in the Central Valley (Sacmo or such).
Though I’ve driven through there plenty of times, heading either to Guerneville or to Portland.
ixchel, the jaguar goddess of midwifery and war ॐ:
July 17th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Pfffffffft. I lost all respect for Penn before it was cool.
When the Sb comments come back, there’s a thread from 2009 or 2010 with several people asking me omg why are you being so mean to Penn Jillette.
;)
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Ixchel:
I had no idea you were such a hipster! :p
Louis:
Hmmmmmmm, I do have keys to her house and I did offer to water her plants the next time she goes on vacation… ;)
Paul:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Well, I guess I’d qualify as coastal. I don’t know how people refer to these areas normally, being at heart a SoCal native (don’t make my way down there very much anymore, though, always so busy).
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:14 am
That Penn felt the need to dedicate a Bullshit to wheel chair ramps but not Scientology is reason enough.
@Tony check out the finale to Brave and the Bold…its gloriously meta and addresses the different tone to 90s Batman.
And if yoou hate that you’re gonna hate The Batman and Beware the Batman
Esteleth, Who Knows How to Use Google:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Do I want to know what the Bullshit! episode about wheelchair ramps was about?
rorschach:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:21 am
The fact of you not asking for addresses would have told us that you are not asking for addresses already. You stressing that you are not asking for addresses, however, makes me think you were hoping for addresses.
But then, I’m uncharitable and overly suspicious anyway.
You mean the USA ?
Muse:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Randomly – if folks are interested in Secular Judaism and are free the first week of August, there is a conference going on in the SF area of CA. It’s J-West. I know the folk involved in putting it on (I’m related to some of them) and if work didn’t have me all over the place I’d be going myself.
Paul:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Actually, getting them would creep me the hell out. I probably should have said “cities” or “exact locations”, I don’t know how much people generally share about their physical locations outside of “country of origin”. It just seemed like an odd request even to myself, so I wanted to qualify it a bit.
Yes, the USA is one big monolith. The culture in San Francisco is an exact match for that in rural Louisiana.
If it’s the one I’m thinking of (was ADA in general), the bottom line they kept hammering in is “if we legislate people needing to accomodate the handicapped, that means there’s no room to do it out of the kindness of our hearts anymore. People having legislated requirements will hate the handicapped so much they won’t even bother holding doors open for them anymore, and the world will be a worse place for it”.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Yes you do. Its about the Americans With Disablities act and how handicap spots are bullshit worth addressing. Foricng buisnesses to accomodat eis bullshit because no one can accomondate a man wheeled around in an iron lung.
Richard Austin:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Paul:
I assume by that you’re north of the bay area? I’ve got a friend who runs a pub (and is starting a brewery) in Sebastapol if you need an escape and it’s nearby.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Are iron lungs really a thing nowadays?
Esteleth, Who Knows How to Use Google:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:34 am
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT.
And yet, I am not surprised. Fucking Penn.
Pteryxx:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:36 am
(warning for Tosh-related sickening)
I don’t remember who linked the Fem2pt0 essay on Tosh misusing his comedic platform, but it’s excellent; and this is disturbing to know:
(It gets worse…)
That’s just the beginning. The dissection of his shtick just gets worse and worse… I haven’t been able to finish reading it yet.
Pozner recommends calling on Comedy Central and Viacom, not because of what Tosh said at an unrelated standup venue, but because they’re accountable for what he says and does ON HIS SHOW.
That essay again:
http://www.fem2pt0.com/2012/07/16/surfing-the-rape-wave-what-tosh-teaches-about-humor-power-and-privilege/
Paul:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Nah, that’s why I started out with “Central California”. The bay is decidedly north. I’m about an hour north of Santa Barbara.
No, but that was P&T’s money shot. I had actually forgotten about it. They demonstrated how not one of the places they looked at could accommodate an iron lung, therefore the ADA is fundamentally flawed and thus we should count on charity and individual kindness to ensure those with disabilities can meaningfully participate in society. Otherwise, they’ll take their ball and go home, or only accommodate the handicapped to the minimum letter of the law and no more. Typical rich white guy libertarian blackmail.
Jadzia626:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@Pteryxx
I did!
It is very good. Jenn Pozner makes an excellent argument.
cicely:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Wait.
Caine fell downstairs the other day? How did I miss this?!?
*hugs&booze&chocolate&bacon*
-
*hugs* for Alethea. Happy for progress, sad for frustration.
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Jadzia626:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:44 am
There’s a lot of good posts on that blog in general. Especially Abigail Collazo’s. She’s the editor. We started following each other on Twitter after I got harassed by the RadFem2012 crowd. That’s how I discovered that blog.
rorschach:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:51 am
There are a lot of non-US posters on this blog. Louisiana or San Francisco has its issues, so does Copenhagen or Melbourne or Vienna. We get it. And we also get that the US actually is one big monolith leaning in the wrong direction when it comes to conservatism, equality and health issues, science and education, and it really is much much worse than any of those other places.
Pteryxx:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:52 am
holy crap, Caine fell? Gah, Caine, I hope you’re okay! (And that carpet of rats should all grow up and surround you as a living fuzzy shield of cute.)
Jadzia626:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:55 am
What happened Caine? Hope you’re all right.
Paul:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Yes, I am familiar with this blog. I’ve lurked and participated on and off for years.
What does this have to do with me noting that I live in a pocket of excess conservativism in the US? I didn’t make it out to be unique or different, so don’t give me the lecture about other places having their own issues or disliking the US direction as a whole. I don’t, either. And this has fuck-all to do with my original post, so I’d appreciate if you quit trolling me over nothing or lecturing me for living in the US and looking for possible like-minded people in the local area.
rorschach:
July 17th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
No worries at all ! Good night.
Richard Austin:
July 17th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Paul:
Ah. I drove through Santa Maria and SLO on my Highway 1 trip over Memorial Day Weekend. I don’t think we’ve got anyone near there, but others will correct me if I’m wrong. I do have a friend who hits the dunes at Pismo fairly often, but it’s a bit of a haul.
dysomniak, darwinian socialist:
July 17th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Louis CK on The Daily Show last night, talking about Tosh. While I hardly agree with everything he says I appreciate that he’s able to actually take criticism and process new points of view.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Okay, I’ve now written two drafts of the letter to my asshole sister. It’s been really tough to get my point across without sinking into passive-agressiveness.
:-/
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Katherine:
Awesome!
Your excitement is literally pouring off the page.
I’m happy for you!
When/how did you come up with the concept for your story?
(I’m not a writer, but the creative process is interesting. Where do people get their ideas for stories from? Why do they choose to write in a particular style? How does one develop a voice for their characters? How does one weave a central theme throughout a story? How do you include enough exposition so readers understand the world you’ve created, but not so much that it gets bogged down? *)
*I’m not asking you these questions. These are just many of the things I think of when it comes to writing.
A black man playing a lead role is one of the many reasons I like the FOX show, Fringe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Reddick
Reddick plays Phillip Broyles, the head of an FBI department investigating paranormal activities. Reddick described the hard-driving character as “a real ass. But he’s also one of the good guys.”
I didn’t care much for his character during the first season, but over the next few, he has really grown on me to the point that I love his presence on the show. I also thought the Walternate version of Broyles was even better developed.
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birgerjohanssen:
Louis did.
Something about how he was wearing ass-less chaps while fixing sammies for everyone…
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
rowanvt @85 (previous page) –
Yes, I know. And my whole life in America I only had rescued cats but my girlfriend is obsessed with having very expensive cats. Russians are now capitalists and they want to show off as much as possible.
My first two years here I was horrified at the overt ostentation but now I’ve gotten (somewhat) used to it (no, it still upsets me). There is no “being humble” here because everyone was humble for decades and now that they have something? They talk about it constantly. To me, it’s a little like children talking about their better-than-yours! expensive toys.
Unfortunately, this (for my gf) carries on into animals. I am not happy about having purebreds because they always have problems. Plus, it’s gross, to be frank. There are plenty of homeless cats on the streets.
Also unfortunately, Tosha, my Siamese boy, loves me and is on me every second of the day I’m home and has such a sweet personality. It’s neither his nor my fault he’s here. I just have to take care of him now that he is.
(I don’t mean to paint my gf as anti-animal. She monetarily supports many homeless shelters for animals here in SPb but she doesn’t see that her support of the “kitten mill” is abuse. Baby steps.)
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Nutmeg @103 –
That sounds sensible. I’ve had many friends who didn’t come out until their 40′s or 50′s so there’s no time limit and everyone just has to do what feels right for them.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Vilem Saptar:
Hey, don’t look at me. I shave in the shower. I’d rather clog the drains then reveal to everyone the process by which I become PoC Mr. Clean.
What’s funny to me is Time Warner/DC Comics is lightyears ahead of Marvel with their animation, but the opposite is true of the live actions movies (well not lightyears, perhaps. DC is trailing Marvel with quality movies. I don’t discount how fantastic the Batman movies have been, but that’s almost all of DC’s live action movies in the 00s). From Batman: TAS through Justice League Unlimited (which takes place in the same animated universe and includes Justice League, Static Shock, Superman:TAS & Batman Beyond), DC’s animation shines. Marvel, OTOH has had lackluster success, IMHO. Yes, the X-Men cartoon from the 90s was cool, but the animation was subpar. So too were the various Spider-Man animated series in the 90s. The sole exception, IMO, to this Marvel=lackluster animation rule was the MTV Spider-Man series, which lasted all of 1 season
I thought the animation was superb. The show skewed a little darker in tone as well, and I’d say it was probably a PG-13 type show. The writing was also of higher quality than the X-Men show and the other Spider-Man shows (the show was meant to fit into the continuity of the movies, taking place at some vague point after the first Spider-Man movie, but before the second). In fact, I thought the writing and atmosphere were comparable to Batman: TAS. Marvel also created a few direct to DVD animated movies, based on some iterations of the Avengers (two of them were adaptations of the some of Mark Millar’s reimagining of the team in the Ultimate Universe comic, The Ultimates; the Avengers live action movie borrows heavily from Millar’s reimagining of the team).
Today, Disney XD puts out a quality show in Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. The animation still isn’t *quite* my preferred style, but it’s *far* better than any of their 90s output.
And I hope that is enough to qualify me for the Lifetime Geek Award…
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart) @5 –
I feel you on the sister thing. I always felt my little sister was on my side. She repeated the right platitudes, anyway.
Last year she really showed her stripes when I would email and Skype her about the gay marriage struggle.
“Be happy you can’t marry. You can’t go through divorce.” That sort of thing.
I countered, “At least you’re considered an adult and can get married.”
“You’ll be an adult when you have a baby.” Ah! I see.
The fact that her first two children were allocated to their father’s care because she’s not a stable human doesn’t matter. She at least HAD babies. Phew! And now she’s had another baby!
Not to make it all about me (obviously I am, as that’s the only viewpoint I know for sure) but I miss her. I miss the sister I thought she was when she was on best behavior, I guess. But I axed this incarnation (maybe the real her?) out of my life and feel much better for it (not to mention, I’m saving a lot of money because she just would not work).
Really, I’m trying to say I feel for you. It really, really sucks to lose a sister you so want to have a close relationship with (especially if she’s just downstairs). I feel that same void.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Thank you, Krasnaya.
I doubt I’ll be able to get through to my sister, but it might just be better to give it a try and then, depending on her response, let the relationship go.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Audley:
Damn. I was rather hoping her pregnancy would have mellowed her assholishness out. Does she just pick random things to pester you about, or does she have some sort of point?
Oh, she suffers from “IANAD in real life, but I like to play armchair doc”. Like the armchair psychologist, these docs really need to stop administering their unsolicited and often uneducated opinions.
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Matt:
You know, that could work too. I know for me that all my ideas run throughout my head in a non-linear fashion, so I almost always forget important things to talk about when I’m dealing with a situation similar to Audley’s. Just the act of writing things down (even w/out the intent of showing the written material to anyone) can work to iron out all the details in a coherent fashion.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
In other news, à propos of nothing, my gf loves to travel and is often paid to travel–she’s a well-known blogger and photographer– but she hates flying. (I’m usually also paid to go with her, to translate and accompany–my gf has epilepsy so I’m her medical aide as well as her gf.)
If you’ve ever seen that one person freaking out on the plane? It’s my gf. Any turbulence sends her into panic.
Yet, every night, she searches out airplane horror movies and watches dramatizations of airplane crashes. Why?!
Caine: ? She fell down stairs?
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Koshka:
I have no idea.
Caine:
Ou ouchee (hugs etc). Hope ya get better.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart) @46 –
Sometimes you do just have to let go, unfortunately.
I hope you formulate the letter you want and that it makes a difference.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Tony:
Well, it’s all been related to my pregnancy and what she sees as “wrong”. So, take your pick: one day it will be about my swollen ankles, the next it will be about my size. She has told me that I shouldn’t be experiencing heartburn (???) and that I also shouldn’t have any back pain*. She’s told me that I should be looking for new doctors because mine haven’t referred me to a genetic councilor and they haven’t been performing ultrasounds once a month.
It’s like she has some unreasonable expectation of my pregnancy and she’s mad that I haven’t lived up to her standards. Despite the fact that I’m generally happy and so healthy that Dr Jen has said that I’m her easiest patient.
*Despite the fact that, yeah, I had heartburn and sciatic nerve pain before I became pregnant.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Giliell:
OOOOOOH!
Dinos!
I just realized for all that I love dinosaurs, I’ve never been to a museum to see any fossils…
I did watch the supremely awful Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief movie. It had a fossil…
I wonder if any creationists have been to an actual museum. Seems to me that if you see how powerful and predatory many dinosaurs were you’d start to wonder how early humanity could have defended themselves from creatures who could shit you to death.
Did you say anything to the annoying woman? Or did you just keep one watchful eye on her?
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rorschach:
I didn’t take it that way.
I saw it as making sure people knew there was no inquiry about actual addresses. I think some people would interpret the question “are there any Pharyngula posters in the Central California region?” as specifically asking for addresses. So why not err on the side of caution?
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Paul:
I think the amount of sharing [re: personal info] depends on the individual. I’ve mentioned a few times where I live. Others, for reasons of their own, choose to have more anonymity (and I do not at all begrudge anyone choosing to do so).
LOL.
Imagine if that were true.
Think of the Gay Pride celebrations bringing in tens of thousands of people…to Louisiana.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Oh, and Audley. To be a perfect platitude, sometimes it just takes time.
My mother was appallingly on my sister’s side until I sent her the Straight Privilege Checklist. To my great surprise, the very next day my mom apologized to me. It only took thirty years.
I sincerely hope your sister can rise to meet you before then.
Lynna, OM:
July 17th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
In a previous post I noted Michelle Bachmann’s latest conspiracy theory, namely that muslim extremists are infiltrating the government of the USA. Now we see that the result of her nutbaggery has consequences when it comes to international diplomacy. (Shades of how right wing nuttery affected Uganda’s anti-gay campaign.)
The story below is related to Hillary Clinton’s latest diplomatic efforts in Egypt.
Source.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Pteryxx (from your quoted material @28):
I don’t think it’s safe to assume that. Rape is far too prevalent in society. Too many people dismiss women when they speak up, using the “oh, it wasn’t PIV, so it wasn’t rape”. I’m not saying to assume that Tosh was asking his audience to do that, but based on his comments, he doesn’t take the problem of rape seriously.
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Paul:
So they’re saying they should ditch the ADA and rely solely on the kindness of others? What version of the United States do they live in? Yes, there are a *lot* of compassionate, generous people in the US (and across the world), but there a lot of shitheads out there too. If someone in a wheelchair requires assistance, how are they supposed to know who to ask for help? Are people going to be required to wear Assistance Badges? Those who don’t want to help have to wear Douchebag Badges? What if you’re around people that don’t know how to assist you? What if you’re going to a restaurant and all the guests are busy eating and don’t have the time to help you?
None of that takes into account how often disable individuals are treated as if they’re invisible.
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Audley:
If you keep it to expressions of how *you* feel, rather than guessing your sisters’ intent, that may make things more palatable to her.
Also if you’re worried about passive agressiveness, you could try reading it aloud to hear how it sounds. Better yet *if* there is someone you trust enough, perhaps you could read the letter to them to get their reaction.
birgerjohansson:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
You know what would be a great anti-cancer therapy? RAT VIRUSES! http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2012/07/17/you-know-what-would-be-a-great-anti-cancer-therapy-rat-viruses/
Airborne aircraft carriers take to the air (at some indeterminate time in the future)
http://scienceblogs.com/sciencepunk/2012/07/17/airborne-aircraft-carriers-take-to-the-air/
Richard Austin:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Tony:
Nah, that’s what Mardi Gras is for.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Thunk @ 49 – Спасибо for trying. :)
I would think it adds to her freak out but she tells me it soothes her (?).
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Cicely:
Thank you. ♥
Pteryxx:
Doing better, *highly* medicated. Hee, my carpet of rats! Love the imagery, thank you. ♥
Jadzia:
A perfect storm of stupid happened, helped along by 120 lbs of exquisite stupidity, goes by the name of Jayne. (Monster dog, gives stupid a bad name, he’s really *that* stupid.)
Audley, seems to me that it’s your sister who keeps trying to torch any bridges in the vicinity. Why should you turn your life upside down in an attempt to keep quiet about her assholery? Tell her to fuck off and to stay fucked off until she can figure out how not to be a compleat douchecanoe.
I am highly medicated, so take all that with the requisite truckload of salt.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Krasnaya:
Ignorant question here:
What type of problems do purebreds have?
Why is it gross?
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I do agree that adopting cats off the streets (via an organization that spays/neuters them and gives them shots, natch) is the infinitely preferable way to adopt a cat (that’s how I got *all* my feline and canine companions)
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Audley:
I hope she responds as a compassionate human being who cares about her sisters’ feelings.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Richard @57:
Doh! Forgot about that.
I may have been thinking of spreading the Gay Luv across the entire state. Why should NOLA get all the pseudo-love?
ixchel, the jaguar goddess of midwifery and war ॐ:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Half a flight. :(
She’s in pain but has medication for it.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Differs based on breed. Almost/all purebreds have a suite of known problems due to lack of genetic diversity.
It can range to hip problems, lung problems, breathing issues, cardiac issues, neurological etc etc.
Such problems IIRC are a big reason why Puggles started getting pushed heavily. Pug breathing problems were getting too great so they had to introduce greater snout length into the population.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Also since there was some talk about comics and BTAS, I hope you don’t mind if I blogwhore for someone I know. They’re setting up a project after hearing friends complain about the New 52 to see if it works at appealing to new readers. She being completely new to comics is going to try to read the first 5 of the initial launch and blog thoughts on it.
http://elusivenewreader.wordpress.com/
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
So a friend of mine posted about religion on Facebook. One of the responses was from someone who said she was “a follower of Jesus, but not religious”.
How does that work?
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
@Tony
It means they’re protestant it’s a fundamentalist meme from the 2000s and late 90s
birgerjohansson:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Must-remember quote
“Islam is such a perfect religion for dickheads! Is it the reason for the high rate of conversions to Islam?”
— — — — — — —
“A new Islamic sex guide” http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/2012/07/17/a-new-islamic-sex-guide/
— — — — —
I have tried hard to come up with film titles to recommend to the humanist festival mentioned elsewhere in Pharyngula, but a lot of the best films are only known to me by their Swedish titles, the original titles in Engish, French or German can be completely different. Darn.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
ING:
Post away on that.
I can’t see that appealing to me, as I’m massively anti-DCnU, but someone else might like to hear about that stuff.
~~
and in frustrating news:
The Boy Scouts of America will keep their controversial policy banning gay scouts and leaders after a confidential two-year review, the organization said Tuesday.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
@Tony
as am I but I found the blog interesting for picking up on stuff that, I as someone who has read a comic, wouldn’t even notice or question.
So far it’s on Batgirl….I imagine humor will come when she reaches Voodoo or Catwoman.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Caine:
Oh noes! I missed that you had posted about falling. Ouch ouch ouch (and *loves*).
You never see that in dog food commercials, do you? It’s always “dog: the faithful companion” and never “dog: the monster that tests your patience, but you still love”.
Tony:
That would be nice, but knowing how my sister rolls, I don’t have high hopes for that. At this point, my goal is to make my feelings known without being painted as the villain in this drama.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
*faxes “Get Well Soon Card” To Caine*
ixchel, the jaguar goddess of midwifery and war ॐ:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Tony: this BBC program is a good introduction.
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Thank you, Audley & Ing. ♥
Gnarls* off to get more tea.
*Best descriptor of how I’m moving about at the moment.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Ing:
Even as I said it wouldn’t appeal to me, I clicked on your link anyway (it was probably close minded of me to no at least give it a glance) and found exactly what you saw: an analysis of the material in a way that I’m unfamiliar with. The feminist perspective of the author is a welcome voice, especially in the male dominated field of American comics (not sure how it is with other countries). I may actually check it out from time to time.
That said, I wish she would have picked a different character than Batgirl. I’m still friggin’ pissed that they took away such a valuable character in Oracle, one who had a unique role and mission within the DCU and just happened to be disabled.*
*by that, I mean her disability wasn’t the focus of her character. It played a role, sure, but she was almost always presented as a well rounded character. It’s the same notion as having a gay character versus having a character who happens to be gay.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Ing:
I’ll see your fax, and raise you a telepathic get well message to Caine.
Beat that!
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
I had to go get access to a fax machine to send my termination letter to unemployment…so damn it I’m going to use it!
Btw I believe I borrowed a time machine from someone here to go back to 1995 to get a fax…do you still want it returned by yesterday?
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Ing,
Hey now, I use a fax machine at work!
… We’re not behind the times at all. Nuh huh. No siree.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
… And I just realized that my printer/scanner is also a fax machine.
It’s too bad I’ve no landline to hook it up to.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
I got a very very hostile response when I asked if I could scan it and e-mail it.
Paul:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Tony:
Ayn Rand Funland. Everything goes well if we just leave people to their own devices, with the government backing the hell off. We need to check the Feds before they decide to Go Galt.
The odd part is, they’re well-off enough that they must have realized the real end-goal. They’re Winston Smith. O’Brien would have administered some severe punishment if they said “rich people don’t want the ADA because that way they get to help people with special needs out of the Goodness of their hearts instead of just to conform to some cold and impersonal law, and they’d make sure they were just as helped without the laws anyway”. They are intelligent and connected enough to know the real motive is control, and making sure they are not being coerced into spending their hard-earned money just to accommodate handicapped people when it would cost them money to do so and they could just as easily cater to those without special needs.
I liked Bullshit! until that episode. I know that doesn’t speak particularly well of me, but that at least was enough.
Old Protestant meme. The idea is that you’re not following some religion, you just have a personal relationship with Jesus. He’s your BFF, future husband, etc. The fact that they still tend to officially take the Bible as gospel is just incidental, surely.
Richard Austin:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Ing:
There was a young woman from Bright
Whose speed was much faster than light.
She left home one way
In a relative way
And returned on the previous night.
Richard Austin:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Bah…. “left home one day“
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
I like to think I have a personal relationship with Jesus…specifically he’s the little clingy kid from school that we let hang around because of his willingness to eat bugs and dog poo on a dare.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Bullshit has the big problem of dishonesty via cherry picking your opponents. Even when they’re right they do score cheap points by often picking the easiest representatives of the other side to knock down. No one could ever say honestly that it’s a fair investigation of any issue. It very much runs on similar principles to creationism IMO; they have a narrative per-decided and then go looking for the facts and interviews that will build support for their conclusion.
Ms. Daisy Cutter, Vile Human Being:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Tony:
Well, he was a troll.
Thanks, btw, for the compliment on my “sticky” post on Dreamwidth. Also, I’m getting a 403 (forbidden) error when I try to look at Kayta’s photo.
By “gross,” I think Krasnaya Koshka meant “disgusting” in a metaphorical sense.
Gnumann:
FTFY.
Myself, I’m partial to the way LiveJournal and its various clones nest comments and permit expansion and collapse of subthreads. But that could just be because I’m used to them.
Kristin:
I had electrolysis done years ago, to get rid of a light ‘stache and also some chin hairs. The former hasn’t come back, but, due to age and hormonal changes, the latter have. Plucking them encourages them, but I will admit to finding it satisfying in the same way picking a scab is satisfying.
Also, pretty birdie.
Caine: Ow, I hope your back and neck feel better soon. And, eeeeee, new ratlets!!!
Also, medication regardless, I agree with you about Audley’s sister.
Birger: About four or five years ago, a Canadian friend of mine mentioned that the Inuit had begun to see robins around the Arctic Circle. “What are these birds? We’ve never seen them before.”
But, yeah, Al Gore made up anthropogenic global warming in order to buy another mansion. /fuxnooz
Janine, I remember the “vile bitch” in your handle. I was lurking at the time.
Ogvorbis, hope your son feels better soon.
Audley: Sorry to hear your sister is still being a shit to you. If you & Mr. D. can afford to move, move. You don’t need the aggro, and Janine has a good point too.
Esteleth: D: indeed.
RowanVT: That is one pissed-off looking birdling.
kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Holy shit, you guys, how have I never shopped for fabric on eBay before?
*drools and compulsively clicks Bid Now*
Ms. Daisy Cutter, Vile Human Being:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
John Sununu: Always an asshole, still an asshole.
I agree with this guy.
Oh, and since we’re talking about disability in the thread right now, here’s an article about a disability services agency in California that discriminated against a disabled job candidate.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
That said I think Bullshit should be seen as the best thing for skepticism ever.
Because you go through thinking “FUCK YEAH! GO YOU GUYS! TOTALLY STICK IT TO THEM” until they hit something you disagree on or know more about and then suddenly BAM DAN BROWNED and you see how unfair and straw manning they are in crystal clarity. Then ideally you look back and think “wow! Look how easily I was taken in by utter Bullshit!” and learn an important lesson about being taken in by a charismatic figure telling you what you want to hear….and also how huge an ass Penn is.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Apropos of nothing with a smattering of TMI:
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This damned hemorrhoid is on my fucking nerves. This is the only time I’ve been happy to not have a sex life. I wonder if they’re genetic for some people. I seem to get one or two a year. It makes walking very awkward.
(have no health insurance, so casually seeing a doctor isn’t practical; preparation H over a few days has proven the perfect remedy; still, I’d like to not get them at all)
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Hey now!
Some of us *are* behind the times :)
I’ve never owned an MP3 player or an Ipod.
Last night I did find an old Ipod Nano that I guess belonged to M. I don’t have a charger for it though, but I guess I’ll keep it.
kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Truer words have never been said. Well, maybe they have at some point. But not a lot of them.
Although even once or twice on issues where I agreed with them I kind of wanted to facepalm because of the set-em-up, knock-em-down quality of some of their arguments. I mean they’re pretty shameless.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Why is Kiara, T’s dog, sniffing my crotch? It’s creepy.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
@Kristinc
It’s basically a ‘magic trick’ of giving the illusion of giving the opposing side a fair chance to make their case.
Paul:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
If it wasn’t for some of Penn’s recent positions and behavior towards Ophelia and others, I could almost think that Bullshit! was intended to give that whole experience of realizing that even you get taken in by bullshit as long as it’s something you want to hear (whether it’s because you have Randian tendencies, they’re arguing a trivial point that should be obvious, or what have you), and if you go back afterwards after being disillusioned by the source you see in stark contrast how poor the arguments were in the first place. But no, it seems more likely that they just like to be high-fived at how well they school everyone with positions differing from theirs.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Ms Daisy:
Maybe I didn’t set it up right.
I uploaded the pic to my computer from my phone. From there I copy/pasted the URL for the pic onto my comment here. Is that the correct way to do that?
kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
who the FUCK puts music in their ebay listings goddamn knock it off people
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
PZ johnfreethinker is spamming. Clean up. I think he’s an old troll anyway
David Marjanović:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Not caught up.
*headdesk* Oh crap.
All seconded. ♥
WHAT
WHAT
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Daisy:
Thanks.
Not surprisingly, this isn’t an easy decision. In order to afford moving expenses and not downgrade to a smaller apartment, I would definitely have to go back to work full time as soon as my disability payments run out after DarkFetus is born* and that was definitely not my plan.
We had started working on a budget so I could quit my job a couple of weeks before my due-date. I planned not to work few months after DF’s arrival and after Xmas or so, I was going to look for something part-time. With our current apartment, we can definitely make this work by cutting out a lot of our “luxuries” (cable tv and whatnot) and trimming back on other expenses (as cliched as it sounds, we’ve already switched car insurance companies and managed to save a few dollars every month).
Now, who knows? Because we don’t pay “market value” for our apartment, we are so fucking screwed. We can either stay here and deal with my asshole sister (and roll with our original plan), move to a one bedroom 1/3 of the size of this place (and roll with our original budget), or look for something comparable size-wise (and I would have to go back to work full time immediately).
I hate feeling stuck. :(
*New York oh-so generously pays for 6 weeks of disability.
Richard Austin:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
I second that, but that may be a privilege thing – we’ve got decent museums (and tar pits!) here.
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Bah, hello.
I’m too lazy to comment today, it seems.
How does anybody follow all these threads? Patience? Practice?
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
johnfreethought has certainly crawled so far up my ass that he’s nibbling on the inside of my tits. I cannot stand the coopting of people’s actual struggle with mental illness or depression for a fucking gotcha game.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Huh…?
I can’t get this to work.
I was able to post a link to the picture of Krystal a while back, but now I can’t seem to do that for Kayta. Drat.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Tony:
Not to sound like my mother or anything, but…
(You knew that “but” was coming, didn’t you?)
… Are you eating enough fiber? Staying hydrated?
I would. You’ll find someone who has a charger, trust me. ;)
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Both, and also obsessiveness.
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Oh and also:
Meeting all of ya makes me realize how well-off I am.
I’m sitting on a couch doing nearly nothing all day, living in a not-bad house, with plenty of luxuries (at least for now).
I’d love to contribute to a proposed general fund…
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Audley:
Ouch, tough choices.
Hope ya figure out a way to make it work. *hugs and help if needed*
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
David:
I just knew you were going to say something :)
I haven’t been here long, but from what the others say about you (when they’re not talking about how awesome you are…something that I’m starting to see), I get the impression you know a thing or two about fossils.
I’ve been to a museum once or twice in my life, and both times it was at a point where I didn’t care about art or history. Now that I’ve come to appreciate history a bit more, and science a whole lot more, I think museums would be fun to go to. Now I just have to get over this anxiety I feel about going new places by myself (this is the reason I haven’t been to the Creation Store yet, or on a cruise, or to another country [I have been to Canada, but tada, it was with someone], or on a vacation somewhere by myself that I’ve never been to). This is one of the things (among so much more) that I miss about M being alive. He and I went *everywhere*. I think maybe it’s like Linus and his blanket. The comfort of knowing that I’m somewhere strange with someone that I know and trust is incredibly important to me. Additionally, I like having someone to *talk* to and experience things with. There are days I feel like life is passing me by, but I just don’t see the fun in experiencing things by myself.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
And boredom.
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
The tar pits continue to simultaneously freak me out and fascinate me, in that quiet, pit of my stomach dread kind of way.
Richard Austin:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Doesn’t the nano use the same charger as the normal iPod? Should be easy to get if it does.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Thanks, thunk.
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Tony:
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Dagnabbit, blockquote fail!
Therrin:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Tabs.
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Daisy, David & Thunk, thank you. ♥
Audley, I imagine you’ll want the room once DF has arrived, being more cramped is not going to help in any way and you need that time off, too. Sooner or later, you have a draw a line with asshole sister.
Richard Austin:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Okay, just confirmed with my mom – it’s the standard iPod cable. So, should be $20 at a store if you don’t have a friend with an extra (I seem to have several dozen (slightly kidding)).
Richard Austin:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
I think iPod cables, like USB cables, reproduce by mitosis in the dark. Put one in a drawer, and next time you look there’ll be two in there.
kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
I can only speak for myself but in my case it has to do with waking up feeling like I have a hangover (despite not having had the fun of getting drunk) and deciding fuckit I will ditch everything and sit in front of the intertube for the day.
Which is not to say that I only keep company with the Horde when I am too sick to avoid them! Just that it’s the only way I can actually keep up with the Horde.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Caine:
You’re absolutely right. And I will long before DF is born, whether or not we decide to move in the meantime.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Richard:
Yeah, not so much with the privilege here.
I’ve lived in Pensacola, FL for the last 9 years, and prior to that, I lived in Huntsville, AL for 15 years. The latter has the Space and Rocket Center, but I wasn’t interested in anything like that when I lived there. Pensacola has, well the Creation Store and a lot of nice beaches, if that tells you where this city’s priorities are.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Richard:
Thanks for the Nano Info!
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Audley:
Do you and Mr. Darkheart plan to keep the “dark” theme running once the little one is born?
Darknewborn
Darkinfant
Darktoddler
etc.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
A good ‘but’ is hard to find…
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
True, but one that fits the item that you have will become two that don’t fit anything that you have.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
ok, I’ve taken up way too much of this thread. I’m heading to the gym to try and create another hemrrhoid :)
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus @60 –
Purebreds (in my limited experience) have problems being normal animals. I’ve had a purebred dog (who had to have surgery three times) and three purebred cats–one who died not so long ago because his fangs were so big he was forced to be bulimic. He could not eat normally so he rapidly snarfed what he could and then purged because it was not chewed properly.
It’s gross (to me) because there are so many healthy, “normal” cats (and dogs!) everywhere on the street so I don’t understand why people need to use animals as status symbols. (To be clear, I’ve never seen homeless cats in Russia but I’ve seen MANY homeless dogs.)
“Gross” was a lack of eloquence on my part at that moment.
All these purebreds are because my girlfriends wanted them.
I’d be happy picking a kitten up from Cadiz and taking it home. If it were only so easy.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Krasnaya:
I got a “404 page not found” for your Cadiz link.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Sorry! The actual link.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
I have however had 3 purebred dogs that were wonderful with no health problems.
They were however not up to breed standards.
*Via adoption*
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Audley, as far as moving goes, if you talk to your landlord/management person, would it be possible for you to move to a same size apartment farther away in the complex from asshole sister?
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Oh! I should have put a warning up. So many cats had no eyes in Cadiz, Spain and there were so many kittens. There was the Cat-Man of Cadiz, who fed them all, and therein lies the conundrum. Is he doing them a favor or not?
I say they’re already alive so he is doing them a favor. In Turkey and in the Ukraine (I can’t remember where else) they fix stray animals and put them back out with tags on their ears.
In Scandinavia and Finland I never saw stray animals. Not once. And I lived in Finland in a cabin on a lake for five months (lovely people, the Finnish).
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Koshka:
Well, me russian isn’t completely gone. Nice cats.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Ing: Gerund of Death @130 –
I’m talking about animals that have passports. That have their entire ancestry laid out in paper. I can see when my kitten’s great-great-grandmother had her shots for various things.
When animals are severely inter-bred — horrible.
Pedigreed? Is that the word I want? (Do I want to know this word?)
Wait, I think PZ already posted a video about this.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
@Kranaya
Yes there are inherent problems in companion animal breeding of pedigree lines being too stagnant and interbred.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Also, there are no SPCAs in Russia. People’s living rooms, yes. But no governmental organization to rescue animals.
So *via adoption* is exactly what we do.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Ah, by via adoption I meant I took in 1 dog that it’s owners couldn’t keep and 2 from an accidental breeding.
Jadzia626:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
@Caine
Ouchy ouch.
120 lb of stupid is a LOT of stupid. Hope you get better soon! *hugs*
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Ing: Gerund of Death – I’m entirely agreeing with you. Plus, you said something really hilarious on another thread that I wanted to praise you for but my internet died at that moment.
Crap, I wish I could remember. (I don’t think it was on Pharyngula.)
Though you’ve made me laugh many times.
Anyway, despite my faulty memory and faulty connection, thank you.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
rather than actually seeking out a purebreed or anything. I worked in a pet store and was very very sad about the state of pets there. :(
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Caine:
My apartment is the top two floors of a historic brownstone and it’s my landlord’s only rental property. If we did live in a complex, I imagine this would be hella easier.
*sigh* I’m just not going to let this bother me any more tonight ‘cos my night just went whoa into the shitter.
I went to buy my tickets for The Dark Knight Rises and Mr Darkheart just now decided to inform me that he can’t take Friday off, so no Thursday midnight showing for us. To add insult to injury, everything else this coming weekend is sold out, unless I want to drive about an hour to a shitty mall theater.
So, yeah. I’ve been excited for this movie for years, I guess I can wait another week or two. :(
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Jadzia:
Yes, yes it is. Jayne is…special. In a shortbus sense. You can see him here and here. He’s the bigger one, with the spotted black tongue. In the second link, he’s the one who doesn’t know how water works. *sigh*
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Ing: Gerund of Death @140 – Our last cat, recently deceased, was free of charge because he had been abused and had half his tail chopped off (in a door, was the story) and had humongous fangs.
He was sabre cat. He also had no control of his mighty sphincter so he just trailed poo everywhere. Not his fault, the fault of “pedigree” breeders. Poor guy.
I’m not a fan of breeding, at all.
I’ve told my gf I love birds and now I’m quite afraid she’s going to bring home an African Grey. I don’t want a bird in a rather small flat with cats. But I do love birds.
“Today I saw the most beautiful parrot and I almost bought it for you,” (this sentence sounds extremely sexy in Russian) but I said, “Thank you for NOT buying it. Think of the bird.”
I’m so blabby. I apologize.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
I sometimes regret NOT breeding one dog because she has such good motherly instincts and as a large example of her breed could probably have a low risk litter…but I am very happy with her and wouldn’t want to put her at any risk.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Ing: Gerund of Death @140 –
Of course. Criminy, here in Russia there are rows and rows of monkeys in Le’Murr stores. I’m surprised I don’t leave with all of them, if I could afford it.
I just can’t go into those stores anymore.
carlie:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
God, wasn’t that terrible? My son and I were looking forward to it SO MUCH, and then it was that trainwreck.
Luckily The Hunger Games movie made up for the “books are shit turned into movies” vibe we were starting.
*soft hugs* for Caine. Falling down the stairs is for shit. Fucking stairs.
Audley, you shouldn’t have to have that much upheaval just to deal with your sister. Tell her your pregnancy is off-limits for conversation, and every time she says something you’ll just walk away. Or something like that.
Caine, have you ever read the Hyperbole and a Half posts about her special dog?
Dog 1
dog 2
Jadzia626:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
@Caine
Despite the dumb, a very nice dog :)
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
My heart was utterly broken after I spent a week nursing a pug with a kennel cough only to have it sent back to “supplier” probably for disposal.
carlie:
July 17th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Audley – i just realized that sentence sounded awful. I wasn’t trying to say that dealing with your sister shouldn’t be difficult, i meant that you shouldn’t have to get to the point of needing to move to get her to stop. :(
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
It’s okay Carlie, I understood what you were getting at.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Ing: Gerund of Death @148 –
Not to be completely maudlin but———
If you’re already depressed, don’t read. Seriously!
My step-father died in May 2004. My youngest brother died in December 2004. My mother got a new puppy, Lady Phoebe Puddle-Jumper, in January 2005. Only to have her die the next month of parvo.
But my mother was not devastated. She was born in 1946 in Germany and had already experienced much worse.
This is not meant as “my story is more terrible than yours”. It’s actually meant as “my mom is so amazing”. I don’t know if she’s a statue or not but my mother is a rock.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Russians clearly have mastered depression and developed a cultural immunity to it.
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Omg, thank you, Carlie! One of the first things we found about Jayne was that he didn’t know how stairs worked and refused to have anything to do with them. This was problematic, seeing as both the front and back decks have stairs.
Thanks, Jadzia. :)
John Morales:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Time for a musical interlude: Song of the Volga Boatmen
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Training dogs on stairs story.
When I lived else where we had big indoor steps and Gypsy being a tiny tiny dog was terrified of them. I had to train her to go up on her own one step at a time by putting popcorn on the stairs just out of her reach
Then I found out I had to do the same for going DOWN stairs
Later with current dog, he was really really tiny as a puppy so it was a big accomplishment when he learned how to hop the one step we have (a slight rise to the bathroom). Later when he found real steps he’d hop up one and act confused as to why he wasn’t at the top.
Caine, avec prémédité méchante langue:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Jayne was 7 months old and 100 lbs when we adopted him. He’ll sort of do stairs now. Outside, he just jumps the steps, rather than actually step on them. Inside, he sort of slides down the stairs and crashes into the wall at the bottom.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Ing: Gerund of Death @152-
What? I’m going to be self-centered and think you said this about me. How could you have concluded that from what I said?
Okay, всё равно. It’s all the same.
For the record, (as I have to say every fucking day,) I am not Russian. (How I wish I was so I wouldn’t have to spend so much time with beastly Immigration “humans” in spangly Russian outfits).
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Sorry I was joking.
Audley Z. Darkheart (aka Maudley Pee Darkfart):
July 17th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
My night is looking up:
I HAVE ACHIEVED DARK KNIGHT RISES TICKETS!
Not where I wanted to see it, mind, but in a little, rundown, half-closed suburban mall not far from here. I had to actually go there in person to buy the tickets (no online ordering, boo!), but I had a nice chat with the assistant manager AND they still had showings available on Friday night.
Bonus: The tickets were $3 cheaper than my usual theater.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Do you know what happens in Russia if you’re depressed? You call your work and say, “I’m too depressed to come into work today.”
That’s it. Okay. I hope you feel better. Это всё. That’s it.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Ing:
This makes for the funniest image in my head. :)
re: pugs-
I think they’re the most adorable little canines. In the future, when I look for another dog (we’re talking way down the line), pugs are at the top of the list. I love Krystal (and I miss Max), but my next dog will be a small, indoor dog
~~
Krasnaya:
From what you’ve said, it sounds like she’s strong as heck. That’s admirable.
Did you pick that trait up as well?
~~
watching something called ‘Wild Japan’, which reminds me of Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom (which I watched any time I could when I was a child). It appears to focus on the growing population of Japan as it encroaches on the habitats of various animals (I didn’t know how many islands Japan was made up of; nor did I know that the population was so massive, and fits into a country the size of Montana!)
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
I do love pugs, my coffee mug is my pug mug. That’s why it made me so sad. If you do want a pug please consider the pug rescue and adoption sites!
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Krasnaya:
Is that a paid day off?
And why no SPCA?
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
My favorite bit of Japanese nature is their giant hornets. They’re definitive proof that if there is a god it actively hates people and wants them away from it’s sacred nature spots
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
@Krasnaya:
I was playing off the US trope that Russian literature is very very dark. The joke goes that the difference between a Russian comedy and tragedy is that in the end of a comedy everyone is dead…but they’re happy about it!
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Ing: Gerund of Death @ 158- Okay, and I have* to live here so I was being far too serious, probably.
.
*I don’t have to live here. I do because I love my girlfriend and we both have built great businesses here.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
So I’m reading about pedigree dogs, and I just remembered that my roomie E, got his dog Sham from breeders. He’s an American Bulldog. Is anyone aware of problems they face as they grow?
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Krasnaya:
Cats with no eyes??
:::eyes unable to blink through sheer shock:::
I’ve never heard of those kind of felines.
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Whew, weather by the Lake can be interesting. At 7:00 pm, 95 ºF at both the lake and inland stations, wind from the south. At 7:30 pm, wind had shifted around to come from the north, and the station near the lake was showing 82 ºF while the inland station still showed 95 ºF. at 8:00 pm, both stations were showing 79 ºF. Sometimes I wish I had a map that shows isotherms.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
@Tony
I’m going to check because last time I went off the cuff I said the opposite of what was right but I believe hip and elbow problems are the biggie
Cipher, OM, Fighting Fucktoy:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Bulldogs have lots of problems :( Breathing, ’cause of the face, and skin issues with the folds, and hip/back problems.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Ing:
Those are pretty much the only places I would look for a pet. Every one of my cats has been from the Humane Society, and my first dog-Max-was as well. Krystal was a strange situation of me being in the right place at the right time. I guess I sort of rescued her too, as I have no idea what a vet’s office would have done with her.
~~
running commentary on Wild Japan:
Uh, the Japanese Giant Salamander is enormous. It’s remained relatively unchanged for millions of years to boot?
See, *proof* evolution isn’t true :)
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Ing, Cipher:
Those issue with bulldogs…would crossbreeding eliminate some of them?
~~
The Indian Mongoose is kinda cute. The little noses are so adorable.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
@Tony
Crossbreading provides vigor and in many cases does eliminate or dilute issues. The problem is limited breeding. Intentionally breeding with lines that do not have those problems is pretty much the way to save the breeds. Pugs for example pretty much NEED longer snouts, hence why puggles started to show up all of a sudden.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Ing, my idea of Russian humor is Zoshchenko although Russians hate him.
Two have told me, when prodded, that they found Bulgakov hilarious. They seem to prefer ironic humor.
Total anecdata: I have never met a Russian yet (and I teach a LOT of Russians) that didn’t love The Bodyguard and Pretty Woman. These are two staples of Russian cinema.
I have never seen either one so I am a lousy American.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
The big bits of Russian humor that I was introduced to were The Nose and the Overcoat.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
OMG, I just googled Puggles. A beagle/pug mix. They are 110% cute.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB] @ 168 – Because fishermen hook their eyes, is what the cat-man said. (I know enough Spanish to have understood that. Though I think most of them lose their eyes to fighting. There are SO many cats on that small bank.)
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Ing- Ah, Gogol. I’ve never heard a Russian in Russia speak of Gogol. Maybe I run in humorless circles. I joke.
No, there’s a Gogol Festival going on right now at the “Buff” theater on one of the streets where I teach (I never know street names as I always take the Metro).
It’s fairly close to Russkie Samosvyeti and Okei so I could walk there from my work.
But! My friends find those who seek out “buff” to be stupid.
Living in a foreign country is SO difficult. And wonderful.
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Koshka:
Actually, one of my few reasons for not being in Russia is avoiding the draft.
It seems that not only do they have a hard time accepting new residents, they have a hard time letting go.
Owlmirror:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Which reminds me of:
Evolution: The Curious Case of Dogs
It’s strange that canine intelligence can be so variable – from “unable to understand stairs” to “able to navigate the Moscow Metro system”.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
@Owlmirror
Response before reading link. Not surprised at navigating a metro system but not stairs. I can’t imagine there was too much incentive for a predator like wolves to develop too much concepts of 3D navigation/space.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB] ” 163 -
In Soviet times they all say you just had to show up in the morning and then everyone went home.
They called the people who actually worked “Duraki”. Idiots. If you punched in you could go back later and punch out. Or have your friend punch you in and punch you out. Take turns.
Of course there were many people in government jobs who couldn’t do this. In the universities and in labs you could not do this, of course.
There is a huge uprising of “Bring back communism!” I see every day on the streets. It’s mainly fronted by old people who were promised something their whole lives and then were unceremoniously dumped. I have scads of their paraphernalia.
It’s fairly volatile here but I’ve mainly been adored for being American (we’re still cool!) and was only spit on once. That was gross.
carlie:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
So we have a set of windows that are tall and thin, and can open either from the bottom up (as usual) or the top down. We’ve always opened them from the bottom up, but the cat managed to knock out one of the screens in her excitement once (the bottom of the window is close to the floor). So ever since we’ve been opening them from the top down, which puts the opening four feet from the floor. I just heard a noise, and looked over to find her dangling by her paws from the top of the opening. What the hell, cat????
Owlmirror:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
(Hm, does this work?)
Also: PDF about Moscow dogs.
Krasnaya Koshka:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield @180 –
The draft. In Saint Petersburg, it’s no longer necessary. If you can pay $3000 you can get out of it. (I don’t know of any young men going into the draft here.)
So it is elitism. You have to have money. A really craptastic system, granted, but we’ve all seen stories of new recruits being harvested for their organs. This is on the news nearly every day.
I think the (Putin-owned) networks are all trying to rake in money. It’s not advertised, but it is commonly known. And the young men who don’t have $3000? Fuck them. It’s so awful. I have a hard time not lapsing into Russian but the words for “poor guys” feels and sounds so much better in Russian.
Бедные парни. Bye’Dny Pah-rny.
Caerie:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
I’ve found a new, fun way to indulge in masochism. Just read forum discussions about the race of ancient Egyptians.
Why did I subject myself to such painful ignorance and frothing racism? I really don’t know.
JAL: Snark, Sarcasm & Bitterness:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
The Puggle Wiki page is so sad. =(
Owlmirror:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Looks like wordpress really does not like metrodog dot ru (posts disappeared into spamtrap, I guess)
ImaginesABeach:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Terry Gross interviewed Sister Pat Farrell of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (American nuns) and asked her about the fact that the bishops are going after the nuns for spending too much time helping people rather than talking about abortion and teh Gheys but protect priests who rape children (that summary compresses a 38 minute chat into one sentence, with the child rape bit at 34:20 )
http://www.npr.org/2012/07/17/156858223/an-american-nun-responds-to-vatican-condemnation
I don’t understand how people can stick with this church.
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
D: Goddamn I hate everyone.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Owlmirror:
Thanks for the link. I can’t believe dogs have taught themselves to ride the friggin’ metro!!
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Caerie:
I’ve found flogging myself to be much more enjoyable. You should try it.
~~
Ing, JAL:
Yeah that wiki page is a bummer. Fuck puppy mills and anyone who is knowlingly involved in them.
~~
Krasnaya Koshka:
I’m fine if you want to type ‘Tony’, instead of the whole ‘nym, if it saves you time.
ibyea:
July 17th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
I wonder why many American jokes on Russia is some sort of dark comedy.
Owlmirror:
July 17th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
???
Inasmuch as getting to the metro, and leaving it, necessarily involves stairs/escalators, this makes no sense.
(Elevators are even more counter-intuitive.)
I was referring to the intelligence range across dogs, not some weird stair-blindness in all or most dogs.
???
Because all environments that wolves live in or lived in are flat?
Ing: Gerund of Death:
July 17th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
@owlmirror
Because I misread and didn’t bother to read the link before commented. sorry. Ignore me. It’s very very hot.
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Koshka:
Well then. Too late now…
Also, just call me “thunk”.
As for the metro dogs… wow.
Evolution is amazing.
StarStuff, an uppity feminist:
July 17th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Is anyone here looking to volunteer for a secular organization? Because I’m looking for people to fill my committee at Secular Woman and you all are generally pretty cool.
kristinc, ~ringy dingy~:
July 17th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
We have probably more pets than is wise (5 cats and a dog) specifically because of the way they have of appearing and needing help, with no one else stepping up to provide that help.
I had some weirdass jerk on pandagon once accuse me of using animals to feed my savior complex, and running an unregulated shelter full of dangerous dogs (as I mentioned, I have exactly one dog, but for the next week I amused myself by referring to her as “all of you”).
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 17th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
So I’m watching JUNO for the first time right now…
I *love* the dialogue. Very snappy. It flows off the tongue well, and most importantly sounds like the way people actually speak.
Wowbagger, Deputy Vice-President (Silencing):
July 17th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
New blog from Lousy Canuck: TAM’s harassment policy was secret. Why?
This whole episode just gets more bizarre with each new development.
Nutmeg:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Hey, StarStuff! I think I’m in the wrong country to be on your committee, but I’m glad to see you around here again!
Wowbagger, Deputy Vice-President (Silencing):
July 17th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Good grief, that’s some serious html fail on my part. And apologies that the link goes to my comment rather than the top of the page; should have checked before pasting…
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Starstuff:
First, I should join it.
:p
If you’re willing to take me though, sure. *doesn’t get hopes up*
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Thanks for the encouragement, everyone.
ipod nano, ipod regular & ipads all charge with the same cable. (iphone too maybe?)
Tony, don’t you mean “a hard ‘but’ is good to find”?
Our last 2 cats died of a genetic disorder that is, I’m told, extremely common among Persians. They were rescue kittens who looked like ordinary shorthaired tabbies, though – they didn’t look at all Persian.
The defects come about because some people like the look of specific types of animals – and breed for them regardless of consequences to the animal. Hence why the Persian has lost its muzzle over the last 60 years and can no longer eat or breathe properly; why the Siamese has become elongated to deformity; and why the cartilage disorder responsible for the scottish fold is becoming more common; and why there is even such a thing as a twisty cat and a munchkin cat. Horrors of breeders. I’m sure some breeders are OK, but a lot seem to care nothing for the animal’s welfare and everything for its looks.
Oh yeah. I bought one season on DVD (show not aired in .au) and never another because of that. Well, that and the naked ladies. Not that I have anything against naked ladies (damnit).
Jadehawk, mec fâché en jupe:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
oh dang, scooped to the “sooper seecrit harassmint poleez” story by Wowbagger
StarStuff, an uppity feminist:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
If anyone is interested in applying for my committee, you can read more about it here.
@ thunk
Feel free to apply! I can’t promise anything, but I will be adding a few new volunteers to my committee within the next week or so. No one has applied so far (well, other than the only person on the committee at the moment).
Jadehawk, mec fâché en jupe:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
I don’t remember where y’all are (probably not around here), but what kind of volunteering are you actually looking for? As in, what would be involved in being a member of that committee (why the fuck does that word have so many double-letters!?)
Jadehawk, mec fâché en jupe:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
starstuff is magica and answers my questions before I manage to ask them. how convenient.
alas, I’m way to n00btastic to qualify
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Ah well, but I’m a complete noob, like jadehawk.
I’ll still join the org though!
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
OK, seriously pissed off. I don’t get why:
1. I can’t use the FtB search box to look for words or phrases among comments.
2. Google doesn’t “see” FtB threads.
I’m looking for a thread within the past month or so where I posted a (sorry to be immodest) very funny parody song to the tune of Beyonce’s “Single Ladies.” It was all about centipedes in my house.
Why do none of the keywords, nor any of the combinations of them, work in the FtB search box?
Why does Google have no record of any of them?
I’m baffled.
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Starstuff:
Are there any other minor-er committees? I’d love to help somewhere where I’m more useful…
Jadehawk, mec fâché en jupe:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
oh, wait, it says you folks need a graphic designer… Maybe I could do that…
Pteryxx:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Josh, do you need the thread or just the words? Because I have those… <_<
StarStuff, an uppity feminist:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
@ Jadehawk
Feel free to apply for any of the committees!
@ thunk
We’re just trying to fill up our major committees right now, but in the future we’ll probably be looking for more volunteers. The form and the list of committees can be found here.
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Yay, joined!
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Pterryx. . . I need to understand why none of my searches work! What do I need to input to make it come up?
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Sure. Might as well give a shot at it.
No harm :)
Pteryxx:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
dunno Josh, I can’t find it on a search either.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Pterryx: I’m looking for both the thread where I pasted that, and also the song parody (I stupidly deleted it).
StarStuff, an uppity feminist:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Sea Pansies are weird looking. (This is me sharing my adventures in completing my evolution homework with you all.)
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
See, that’s fucking wrong. Why can’t it be found? Arrrrrgh.
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Oh lol. I’ve never done a resume…
Part of my brain is screaming “I’m not worthy!!!”.
I should give it a day.
Pteryxx:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Josh: I got Google to find a *different* comment where you ranted about a skitters-about (by searching for ‘freethoughtblogs skitters-about’ of course). Maybe Google just hasn’t made it through all the zillions of comments to index your song?
Jadehawk, mec fâché en jupe:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
It asks me for a resume. I’ve never written a resume.
*minor panic attack*
I’m pathetic :-p
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Pterryx . . yes, but the FtB’s own search engine can’t find it no matter what key words I use. Very, very frustrating. And it was recent, too.
StarStuff, an uppity feminist:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
@ thunk
There’s no “worthy” or “unworthy”. That’s for the religious to claim lol.
Resumes aren’t that hard (you can even find guides online). There’s no harm in trying and even if I can’t fit you into the committee, you’ll still get some experience in filling this kind of stuff out and creating a resume.
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Thanks starstuff. I’ll give it a shot tomorrow.
The days are long and empty in summer.
Pteryxx:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Josh, here you go!
—–
/end
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
OMG Pteryxx thank you!!
But how did you find it?
Owlmirror:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
More on Moscow metro dogs:
http://englishrussia.com/2009/04/07/smartest-dogs-moscow-stray-dogs/
Woof!
Pteryxx:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Josh: …I got it from the log of a friend I sent it to.
<_<
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Well hell, Pterryx. It’s bullshit it shouldn’t be readily available from FtB (I’d still like to know what the hell thread I put that on) or Google.
But thanks EVER SO for rescuing it for me:))
Raised talon and scree!
Pteryxx:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:07 am
*high threes*
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:09 am
Pteryxx:
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:09 am
I promise to abstain from eating chicken feet for 7 days and 7 nights in your honor. Which won’t be hard considering I don’t like dinosaur claws so much and also kerosene is better for lighting. :))
Owlmirror:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:11 am
A while back I had a very vivid dream, one part of which involved a very very tiny cat. While it was very cute, I remember, in the dream, reading up on the horrible genetic side effects involved with getting that breed, so the “aw, cute” was definitely mixed with “eww, squicky, people do this?”
I see that “munchkin cat” isn’t exactly small, but rather short-legged, so that doesn’t quite match my dream. But still. People do this?
/DreamsAreWeird
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:13 am
And another blockquote fail! Stop forgetting the slash already!
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:14 am
Owlmirror-I’ve had very similar dreams. Same proportion of cute/squick. In my dreams the genetically thwarted kittens are called pachyderms, and they’re found in underground mausoleums.
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:19 am
How interesting: google ["all the many-leggeds" site:freethoughtblogs.com] – returns nothing at all.
I suspect it’s something to do with the pagination, since the named link w/o page number goes to the second page. So it might look like an update of the original to a googlebot. And thus deletion of all page 1 comments from the record…
I would test this further but I really should be working.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:22 am
Anyone else have tornado dreams? I’ve had them for 25 years at least. Last night’s were particularly vivid and frightening. Technicolor high resolution—like I was actually there. Moving in molasses, just slow enough that I couldn’t quite get to the cellar in time.
Pteryxx:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:22 am
*slashes at Thunk in a friendly manner*
—
Alethea, when I googled freethoughtblogs + skitters-about I got a link to a comment thread, yes, but the link loaded the second page of comments only (with no skitters-about on it). However, the *first page* did indeed have the searched-for word, once I went there manually.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:22 am
I didn’t think anyone liked Beyonce these days…. j/k
Josh, you can always eat fried pork skins (one of my favorite snacks) instead of the feet.
JAL: Snark, Sarcasm & Bitterness:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:23 am
I know there is a group for knitters here and facebook. Is there some similar club for book lovers?
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:23 am
I thought I was the only person alive who didn’t know how to write a resume.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:24 am
LOVE pork cracklins, Tony. But almost never eat them. Early-onset heart disease and all.
Damn you arteries (shaking fist)!!!
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:31 am
Pteryxx:
Heh. Those things are sharp.
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:34 am
JAL, I’d be interested in a book group. I know that Caine and I are both on LibraryThing; I bet we could use that.
Pteryxx, I saw that too; I suspected it might be something to do with the update lag. But the “older comments” link (the only one explicitly to comment-page-1) doesn’t have a rel=nofollow on it, so maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree.
Oh man, I really SHOULD be working. But my brain is totally failing to grok relations between event data right now. I should go draw some pictures.
Jadehawk, mec fâché en jupe:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:37 am
I’ve never had a “real job” (went straight from McJobs to being self-employed), and I’ve never applied for a higher-up volunteering position like this before, so the need to write resumes has simply never presented itself.
Which, considering I’m “old” now, makes me feel like a failure at being an adult :-p
thunk, safe behind a toasty heat shield:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:37 am
Good night everyone. Deorbit and landing into a bed would feel great about now.
SallyStrange: Elite Femi-Fascist Genius:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:40 am
No, but ever since I was a kid I’ve had driving a car that’s out of control on a curvy road dreams with that similar molasses-like quality.
Haven’t had one in a while. Haven’t remembered dreams in a while.
theophontes (坏蛋):
July 18th, 2012 at 12:44 am
@ David Marjanović
We are having a bit of trouble on TZT working out whether we have to contend with Boltzmann Brontosauruses or Boltzmann Megalodons. Your professional opinion will be much appreciated.
(Warning to others: click with care, not for the squeamish. And consider also that these have not yet been house-trained.)
Jadehawk, mec fâché en jupe:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:44 am
i do. but only since after last year’s multiple tornado-warnings. except they’re never actually scary, just exciting.
JAL: Snark, Sarcasm & Bitterness:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:46 am
Oh, awesome. Never heard of LibraryThing, I’ll check it out. I’ve been using GoodReads. It started as a way to keep track of all the books I’ve read. I’ve only started recently to add reviews to the star rating, mainly for me to remember, praise or vent about a book.
Josh, Official SpokesGay:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:46 am
I know what you mean, Sally. Not fun, those dreams.
Sometimes they’re interesting or amazing to look at, but often, for me, they’re just frightening. Can’t remember the last time I had a “good” dream instead of a nightmare. Probly side effects of SSRIs. I’ll take ‘em compared to the alternative.
ibyea:
July 18th, 2012 at 12:55 am
Speaking of dreams, have anyone ever died in a dream? I did. It was actually pretty frightening. I really thought I was going to die. It was weird. I don’t know what motivated my brain to do that just for that one time.
SallyStrange: Elite Femi-Fascist Genius:
July 18th, 2012 at 1:09 am
No but once I had a dream that was so vivid that I sincerely believed I was never ever going to wake up. It was intense–the moon split in half while I was watching it and people started flying everywhere and cities burned and forests grew up on the surface of the shattered moon.
SallyStrange: Elite Femi-Fascist Genius:
July 18th, 2012 at 1:13 am
WRT resumes
I went through the first 10 years of adult life doing nothing but construction and baby-sitting, more or less. It was Strange-Ex who taught me how to write a resume.
I’ve now written hundreds. I’d be happy to review yours, Jadehawk, if you like.
SallyStrange: Elite Femi-Fascist Genius:
July 18th, 2012 at 1:14 am
And Thunk of course.
Can you tell I’m scrolling in reverse chronological order?
ibyea:
July 18th, 2012 at 1:21 am
@Sally
Mine was also pretty vivid. Thankfully, when the bomb exploded and I died, I only felt a bit of heat, not pain. Then I kept asking myself in my mind “am I dead?” and then I slowly began waking up from the darkness. I was sweating profusely and I think I was crying. I did feel a wet spot around my eyes and cheek. Yeah, if I could talk to my consciousness, I would tell it: What the hell was that!? I bet Freud would have a field day with it.
Tony aka The Psychic Octopus [safe and welcome at FtB]:
July 18th, 2012 at 1:53 am
Same-sex cards by Target. Good move, but…
I didn’t know about this.
I wonder how that money was used. How many peoples’ lives did it negatively affect? Can the scales ever be balanced?
SallyStrange: Elite Femi-Fascist Genius:
July 18th, 2012 at 1:54 am
Ibyea –
our brains do crazy things. Consciousness is a hell of a drug, apparently.
John Morales:
July 18th, 2012 at 1:56 am
If I’m about to cark it in a dream, I realise it and duly regain wakefulness.
(Nice side-effect from years of playing with lucid dreaming)
Owlmirror:
July 18th, 2012 at 2:28 am
I don’t think I’ve had tornado dreams, but I have had tsunami dreams.
In the most recent one, I saw the water recede, and I sternly told some young people who were standing around and gawking that we had to flee.
chigau (女性):
July 18th, 2012 at 2:42 am
rupt
cannot catch-up
hugs for everyone
and
raspberries
lotsandlotsandlots
of raspberries
(and very soon, apples)
Owlmirror:
July 18th, 2012 at 2:43 am
More on Moscow dogs. This one mentions the silver fox breeding that produced dog-like sociability in those foxes.
Moscow’s Stray Dogs
alkaloid:
July 18th, 2012 at 2:51 am
Lots of times. The last time was about two months ago. I went to do the door, looked out the peephole and there was a pizza delivery man there. I opened the door to tell him that I didn’t order any pizza and while I was talking he pulled a gun out of the delivery case and shoots me in the chest. That’s when I wake up.
Before that I had the dream where I was driving on a narrow mountain road, lose control of the car, and I go screaming over the side of the cliff but I wake up before hitting the ground for the last time.
Beatrice:
July 18th, 2012 at 3:36 am
Good morning!
re : dying in a dream
I used to have a nightmare from which I would only wake up after throwing myself from the balcony. I didn’t even know about lucid dreaming then, but I somehow “knew” in the dream that if I could get to the balcony and jump, I’d wake up.
The last time I had that nightmare, it became really creepy. I jumped and when I opened my eyes I realized I was still dreaming. I was laying at the bottom of the building and I felt those things that were chasing me in the dream closing up on me. Then I woke up.
Nightjar:
July 18th, 2012 at 4:10 am
I think it has stopped now, but some months ago I started having this recurring and very frequent dream where I was looking up at the sky at night and suddenly the moon started moving across the sky. I mean, following the path that it usually does during the course of the night, but faster, disappearing over the skyline line and reappearing again at the other side, getting bigger (and faster) every time. As if it was spiralling down towards the Earth and eventual collision was inevitable. Scary stuff, and also very vivid.
As for dying, I don’t remember ever dying in a dream, but I once dreamed about my funeral. That was just weird.
Jadzia626:
July 18th, 2012 at 4:12 am
More from Jennifer Pozner about “toshgate” (I hate how everything is turned into a *gate).
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/18/daniel-tosh-rape-joke-are-comedy-and-feminism-enemies.html
carlie:
July 18th, 2012 at 5:04 am
I blame Yakov Smirnov.
Josh – I have never successfully been able to find anything in a comment by searching. It drives me nuts.
I found out on vacation that the midwest has now invented microwave pork rinds. Just like microwave popcorn, only all fat! And salt.
It is so fucking hot. This house was built like crap. How does a house that lets all the cold in during the winter trap all the heat in the summer?
dysomniak, darwinian socialist:
July 18th, 2012 at 5:25 am
In Russia, object verb subject!
dysomniak, darwinian socialist:
July 18th, 2012 at 5:26 am
So, different from microwave popcorn how?
John Morales:
July 18th, 2012 at 5:32 am
dysomniak,
Carbs.
–
On a related note, I’m somewhat amused by the low/no fat claims on packaged products that are basically all sugar.
(True claim, but misleading)
ImaginesABeach:
July 18th, 2012 at 6:22 am
Tony -
Target gave money to a PAC that supported Tom Emmer in the last Minnesota governor’s election. He was seen as the pro-business candidate, and he was running against Mark Dayton, a liberal Democrat (whose family started Target, btw). This got publicity, Target ended up giving an equal amount to a gay rights group. Dayton won the election. The lasting result is that Minnesota companies have been much less likely to make large donations, especially to groups that support controversial candidates.
Several large Minnesota companies (General Mills, for example) have taken a public position against our proposed ballot question enshrining bigotry into our constitution.
Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:
July 18th, 2012 at 6:42 am
@Tony (#500+41)
It is exciting to me. I’ve literally been writing this story since I was 13. It’s been started and stopped so many times that I just haven’t ever finished anything, but this is truly something I feel not only comfortable writing, but at the same time is something I need to finish. This is the story I will publish, there’s nothing I don’t like about it.
As for why I wrote this story, I explained that about a month ago. When my brother graduated from college, I got separated from my family – my mother and father went one way with my sister and my grandparents went another way. I ended up behind one of the auditoriums where there was a group of security guards. I watched them and listened to them and realized they all had these interesting kinds of personalities. I wanted to write them into a book.
Of course, since my genre is fantasy, writing a cop drama wouldn’t work so well – but for someone’s comment on TET and also just having finished reading “Guards! Guards!” I realized I could do it. So I expanded the ‘cop drama’ idea to a ‘city guard drama’ one. It works perfectly!
Giliell, not to be confused with The Borg:
July 18th, 2012 at 6:47 am
HI there
Sadly had to break up with Jules and David early ’cause #1 is sick. But she’s already feeling much better after puking on the train platform….
Maybe I can get back together with David again later the week.
Caine
Ouch
Hope you’re feeling better
birgerjohansson:
July 18th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Promiscuous squid fatigued after mating: study http://phys.org/news/2012-07-promiscuous-squid-fatigued.html
—-
Why is Earth so dry? http://phys.org/news/2012-07-earth.html
Damn! Missed comment #777!
birgerjohansson:
July 18th, 2012 at 7:05 am
“dogs have taught themselves to ride the friggin’ metro!!”
Years ago, New Scientist commented on how pigeons have learned to ride the London “tube”. And birds generally have smaller brains than mammals. But they would have been helped by their sense of direction, they know which way they need to go, even underground
carlie:
July 18th, 2012 at 7:19 am
And that’s exactly what you’re supposed to do! According to this episode of Radiolab, the key is to figure out something that is entirely ludicrous and wouldn’t happen in real life, and then think about it often enough that hopefully it makes its way into your dream. Then when that thing happens, that’s the cue that this isn’t reality. I am kind of botching it because it’s been awhile since I listened to that episode, but that’s basically it.
Also it doesn’t pop, it sort of just…puffs. Yes, I tried it. How could I not?*
I laughed earlier this week when I was reading my Kashi cereal ingredients. In the list was “evaporated cane juice crystals”. JUST SAY “SUGAR”, KASHI. GOD. Had more than a whiff of crunchy frog to it, you know?
*How could I not? Turned out to be surprisingly crispy, but oversalted. Definitely had the je ne sais quois of good pork rinds, though.
carlie:
July 18th, 2012 at 7:22 am
An entire case of microwave pork rinds could be yours.
Jadzia626:
July 18th, 2012 at 7:22 am
Hey, crunchy frog chocolates are my favourites!
carlie:
July 18th, 2012 at 7:23 am
In the description, they call them “bacon curls”!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
dianne:
July 18th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Good morning, thread. I’m kind of threadrupt, as usual, so sorry if I’m ignoring something I shouldn’t be.
Caine, hope you feel better soon!
Re weird dreams: My “favorite” nightmare is one in which I am going about my everyday business and something happens that shouldn’t or fails to happen that should. Usually something extremely benign like I turn on a light and it doesn’t actually light up. Then I (in a move that my waking mind finds a drastic overreaction) realize that this is a dream and therefore any horrible thing can happen. I’m hoping that some day I’ll get far enough past adolescence that this scenario will morph into “this is a dream and I can do anything I want”, but hasn’t happened yet.
I haven’t definitively died in a dream, but I have had several dreams where I fell and hit the ground, which people used to say would kill you in real life from the shock. My memory of the dream is thinking (in the dream), “Yeah, right. I’m so sure that my mind can handle being eaten by wild bears, trapped in a collapsed building, and tossed about by tornadoes*, but not falling.” I hit the ground and bounced.
*All actual dreams. The collapsing building thing is a post-9/11 dream. It’s the only one that’s actually scary. The others ended up being weird satires of fear: I gave the bears food poisoning and lectured the tornado on how disappointed I was that it didn’t take me to Oz.
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 18th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Check the nutrition information on a back of microwave pork rinds. High in sodium, but the fat is usually lower than an equal sized back of potato chips. And there ain’t no carbs. For some people it actually is not a bad choice. And they taste good. Mmmmmmm. Poke Rahnds. Mmmmmm.
Jadzia626:
July 18th, 2012 at 8:28 am
@dianne
Good morning!
Too many people here from the American continent. No wonder these threads are quiet for most of the day – and every morning I find pages of new comments :)
It’s 3:30 pm here by the way.
Ogvorbis: Dogmaticus sycophantus:
July 18th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Good Morning. happy Monday to all.
Beatrice:
July 18th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Jadzia626 ,
Hey, you’re in my zone. *waves*
Pteryxx:
July 18th, 2012 at 8:31 am
…Maybe PZ should set some posts to auto-appear at 3 AM his time, so y’all outside of the Americas have something to look forward to? ;>
dianne:
July 18th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Good afternoon, Jadzia. If it helps any, I’ll be in Europe in August and saying good morning to the thread at midnight or so eastern US time then.
Giliell, not to be confused with The Borg:
July 18th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Hey Jadzis
Didn’t we tell all about the super-secret CET-ish timezone parties we’Re having when the ‘Meiricans are in bed ;)
PZ Myers:
July 18th, 2012 at 8:43 am
NEW THREAD!