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TZT

The current crop is certainly fitting the theme of The Zombie Thread: dull, dumb, mindless, and repetitive. You keep filling ‘em up, though, I’ll keep knocking ‘em down.

Comments

  1. Crip Dyke, MQ, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden says

    ryan –

    Your google-fu sucks. Try some remedial internet usage classes. You were looking for:

    THIS.

    the quote is:

    I don’t like you, and I don’t like ‘Christians.’ You’re a cancer on civilized society. Your outlook on life and human interactions is evil and retrograde, and I enjoy watching generations of you die off so you fade into cultural obscurity. The more of you who die off the fewer there are to torment people like me.

    Argue against it, sure. But “he said something like X, but I can’t find the thread” without trying a simple tool like google does not entitle you to make up some paraphrase of what Josh said and argue against that.

  2. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    OT, but are others having trouble getting the comments all to appear? At the top of the preceding TZT thread, I see reference to 901 comments, but I only can get 401 to resolve.

    I’d hate to miss anything.

  3. says

    Yeah, a new thread, but the same ol’ idiot. Try saying something novel, rajkumar…like something with a little fucking intelligence.

  4. Ze Madmax says

    Lyn M @ #2:

    FtB automatically creates a new comment “page” for every 500 comments. If you scroll down to the end of the comments in any thread with 500+ comments, there should be a link to “Older Comments” (or “Older Posts”).

  5. says

    Yeah, a new thread, but the same ol’ idiot. Try saying something novel, rajkumar…like something with a little fucking intelligence.

    OK. I’ll try.

  6. Hurin, Nattering Nabob of Negativism says

    Raj

    A new thread!

    OMG!! Isn’t it magical?! It must be the work of a deity!

  7. says

    OMG!! Isn’t it magical?! It must be the work of a deity!

    Nope. Not a deity. Universal laws. Physics. Newton. Einstein. Evolution by Natural Selection Charles Darwin, etc.

  8. Crip Dyke, MQ, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden says

    I just wanted to bring up something that I loved from TZT-7: comment 279 on the “newer comments” section…

    Ing:

    I want you to be honest, partially for selfish reasons and also because I’m idealistic enough to give that service to people because it’s good for you.

    Best thing I learned here is the absolute liberty knowing you can fucking escape a shit storm by admitting you were wrong rather than digging your heels in.

    Yes. One of the things that annoys me no end are the memes that the Horde is constantly in lockstep and that pharyngula is an echo chamber of constructive interference.

    The first time I posted, PZ himself came down on my, and a number of regulars as well. When I was nominated for a Molly, I posted something that was dramatically wrong by assuming only those with Mollies could vote for the next Molly recipient. I was roundly chastised – and deservedly so. Further, on the same Molly thread I encouraged folk to vote for people who had been engaged in Pharyngula longer than I. I was roundly chastised for misunderstanding the nature of the Molly, with accusations of false modesty thrown in. Realizing I could vote, I stopped lobbying for other people to vote according to my own criteria.

    Meanwhile, on another thread I mistook some astute commentary to be based on a reaction to something totally different…and thus that the commentary made transphobic assumptions and was unhelpful, even counterproductive. I stuck to my guns when I was told I was wrong. Right up to the point where the person pointed out the post to which they were actually responding. Then I owned up to be dramatically wrong. Again.

    All that happened over just a couple days. It wasn’t my finest Pharyngula hour. But I admitted my errors because others provided information/evidence/good argument. And, while I don’t at all think that these errors or my admissions increased my chances in any way, what happened during that time was that people voted me a Molly.

    The point of this is that being wrong and arguing against other regulars not only happens, it comes from people who are given the only kind of formal respect the Horde offers. My being wrong on several things, just at the moment a Molly was being decided, would have likely made it impossible to get something like it on most other sites. Not here. We value good info and argument. We value when someone can admit error or concede an argument. We are anything but an echo chamber.

    To the extent that we sound like one, it is only when a post or poster seriously violates multiple fundamental values around here – then even people with different priorities are going to be united against the Derp.

    So when Ing said the above on TZT-7, I just wanted to, well, echo it. Constructively.

    Aw, hell.

  9. Nepenthe says

    Best thing I learned here is the absolute liberty knowing you can fucking escape a shit storm by admitting you were wrong rather than digging your heels in. (emphasis mine)

    Jesus that’s chilling. I’m seeing Winston Smith with a cage of rats over his face. It’ll all stop as long as you say the right words.

    Granted, a dimwit like myself can leave and pet the cat when the Horde descends; you can save the indignation regarding the imperfect analogy because I realize it is an analogy and not an isomorphism.

  10. Janine: History’s Greatest Monster says

    Yes, Nepenthe,PZ is Big Brother and this is Airstrip One.

    The idiot was neither nor under interrogation. He was doubling down on a very bad argument and got what he deserved.

    You are using an inappropriate analogy.

    So, do you see a cage around your head now?

  11. says

    I love Dispatches, but the comment section sometimes gives me headaches. an other times, i discover that some people who are stupid here are even more stupid over there:

    Now as I understand it, it seems that for quite a while Obama was a Muslim or identified publicly as one until he somewhere along the line he joined Jeemiah Wright’s hateful atypical “christian” church.

    I’d also guess that Obama also probably became an athiest or at least non-believer at some point because he’s intelligent enough to work things out and also to keep his real beliefs private whilst utilising religion for politics and being friends with religious allies and supporters.

    So maybe Obama will officially come out in 2013 post-election as an athiest or agnostic, I’m pretty sure he isn’t any longer a Muslim although I wish he’d demonstrate that more clearly by speaking out a bit more aggressively against Islam.

  12. says

    Nepenthe:

    Jesus that’s chilling. I’m seeing Winston Smith with a cage of rats over his face. It’ll all stop as long as you say the right words.

    It shouldn’t be, Nepenthe, especially as that’s not what Ing meant at all and I suspect you know that, really. Pharyngula is one of those places where if you’re wrong and keep digging a hole instead of owning up, the commentariat will continue to argue and attempt to get through, to educate, much like we were doing with Ryan. When someone does say something like “oh, I see what you’re saying, sorry!”, everyone accepts that and moves on.

    You’ve been in the thick of enough threads to know that. Are you feeling especially down lately?

  13. Nepenthe says

    @Janine
    As I said, I’m aware that, as an analogy, it’s not a fucking one-to-one correspondence. For the analogically impaired: to say that the way to make suffering stop (eg “escape a shit storm”) is to say the correct words or think the correct things (“admitting you were wrong”) is creepy at best. One should change one’s mind because one was wrong and is now convinced of that, not because one is being berated. The idea that submission is liberating is chilling and straight out of the re-education handbook.

    The chillingness of this idea has no relation to the crimes of the person being shit-stormed. If struggle sessions were the tools of a radical feminist party against MRAs, they’d still be authoritarian and wrong. I don’t really give a shit who the idiot was or what they did. ING’s statement, and that people here are echoing it, is creepy regardless.

  14. Janine: History’s Greatest Monster says

    So, you knowingly use a bad analogy. What is the fucking point?

    Oh, wait, I do not give a flying fuck. Just an other bad argument.

  15. Crip Dyke, MQ, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden says

    Nepenthe –

    saying that one can get out of a shitstorm by doing X is

    NOT

    the same as saying the ONLY way to get out of a shitstorm is by doing X.

    You can also get out of a shitstorm by providing good, reliable info/evidence in a context of good argument.

    But when you’re wrong, you don’t win by digging the hole deeper – not here anyway.

  16. Janine: History’s Greatest Monster says

    Rajkumar, please do me a favor. Make like an Ouroboros and cram your head up your ass until you disappear.

    Hey, Nepenthe, would I make a good O’Brien?

  17. says

    Rajkumar, please do me a favor. Make like an Ouroboros and cram your head up your ass until you disappear.

    Give me a visual demonstration first. A picture is worth a thousand words. A visual demonstration is worth a million words.

  18. Janine: History’s Greatest Monster says

    Assclam, you do not need a visual demonstration.

    Just disappear, you fucking waste of meat.

  19. mikmik says

    @John Morales – (I am a bad, bad person)

    That reminds me of a line I heard somewhere: When I’m bad, I’m really, really bad, but when I’m good, I’m wicked.

  20. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    Thanks for the help with the older comments section. I have been scurrying around checking comments and trying to keep up.

  21. says

    Assclam, you do not need a visual demonstration.

    Just disappear, you fucking waste of meat.

    I suppose you can’t see me. So, just let me out of your mind, if you have one, and I will disappear for you.

  22. Janine: History’s Greatest Monster says

    Smug assclam, is there any way you cannot be a creep?

    Also, I will be more fucking direct seeing that you will not understand words.

    Stop commenting here. Everything you say is a waste. And you are a waste of meat.

    Delete this site from your computer’s memory and just watch what you think proves the existence of god, big breasted porn.

    Damn, how can you stand to be with yourself?

  23. Nepenthe says

    @Caine

    Yeah, considering that incongruity of someone I’m not paying to do so or related to expressing concern for my wellbeing has me weeping an hour later (and through looking at that remarkable photo of Dust and Alfie too), “especially down” is probably right on the money. Thank you, sincerely.

    I’m probably wrong–I’m rarely not– but if I don’t even have the mental capacity to appreciate a cat video, I’m certainly not going to be able to figure out whether I am or not.

    Shutting the fuck up now. Sorry everyone, I’ll try to keep that a more consistent habit.

  24. Janine: History’s Greatest Monster says

    Your attempt at an insult is just as much of a waste as everything else you say.

    *killfile*

  25. says

    Your attempt at an insult is just as much of a waste as everything else you say

    Well, at least, you get some points in this area. You are a semi-pro. But do thank me for letting you bitch and vent without giving any usual reactions. Do you feel lighter?

  26. theophontes 777 says

    @ rajkumar

    Still the misogynist troll that you ever were, raj-bigot!

  27. John Morales says

    The rajkumar specimen imagines has really run out of tricks.

    <idly pokes it with a stick>

  28. says

    Where is Janine, History’s Greatest Buffoon? Talking to her give me warm feelings. The air starts to smell like I was in a florist’s shop.

  29. theophontes 777 says

    The air starts to smell like I was in a florist’s shop.

    You better wipe that off your sheets before your mommy catches you at it again.

  30. says

    Still the misogynist troll that you ever were, raj-bigot!

    No, I have been rehabilitated. It’s called The Pharyngula Redemption. Janine is Morgan Freeman. I am Tim Robbins.

  31. John Morales says

    rajkumar:

    I am Tim Robbins.

    You are what Tim Robbins flushes down the lavatory after a bout of diarrhoea.

  32. says

    You are what Tim Robbins flushes down the lavatory after a bout of diarrhoea.

    Good imagination! Mine is not so good. I can’t imagine Tim Robbins in a lavatory — let alone imagine him in a lavatory after a bout of diarrhoea. LSD at work? Peyote?

  33. theophontes 777 says

    The florist that only sells Carrion flowers…

    TMFI. You are a really creepy little hoggling troll.

  34. John Morales says

    Specimen: “Good imagination!”

    No imagination needed, O wretch.

    (That was a true description of your essence)

  35. says

    Nepenthe:

    Yeah, considering that incongruity of someone I’m not paying to do so or related to expressing concern for my wellbeing has me weeping an hour later (and through looking at that remarkable photo of Dust and Alfie too), “especially down” is probably right on the money. Thank you, sincerely.

    I like you and of course I’m concerned when you’re not feeling so great. As for that stupid LOL cat video, you aren’t alone by a long shot. It didn’t read as funny in any way to me, and I agreed with your take on it all the way. What passes for humour a lot of the time simply leaves me cold.

    As for shutting up, please don’t. At least not because you feel silly or anything. Shit, everyone here has days where things strike them wrong and it doesn’t stop anyone else from yakking about it. Anyway, I miss having you around, so at least say something every now and then. ♥

  36. says

    Specimen: “Good imagination!”

    No imagination needed, O wretch.

    (That was a true description of your essence)

    Yeah, well, you still need an imagination for this, given you don’t believe in angels whispering in your ears what other people are. Or, maybe you do, and angels do whisper in your ears, but only while the holy cactus is working its magic….

  37. says

    Misogyniraj, go stick your head in a Dionaea muscipula. Also, don’t use the word bitch, you misogynistic, sexist mali žohar.

    Oh sorry. My fault. Used it as a verb, not as a noun. chill out. You are still showing you care a lot.

  38. theophontes 777 says

    @ John

    The hoggling troll is getting really boring. But how do we remove said troll without a banhammer?

    We could try ignoring it. (I have no doubt SIWOTI will step in and kill that initiative…)

  39. says

    The hoggling troll is getting really boring. But how do we remove said troll without a banhammer?

    John is really creative now. I am waiting for an answer too. But don’t wait too long. The holy cactus doesn’t last forever…

  40. John Morales says

    Specimen: John is really creative now.

    <snicker>

    (It actually laps it up when one shits on it)

  41. says

    Specimen: John is really creative now.

    (It actually laps it up when one shits on it)

    Oh come on Johnnie. Every time you use the word ‘shit’, it just shows you are being highly creative. You have just precisely imagined Tim Robbins’ bowel movements after him going through a bout of diarrhoea. Can you get any more creative than that? How about Morgan Freeman’s bowel movements, size colour, frequency?

  42. The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa) says

    I’m starting to really lose track of Rajkumar’s fucking point here. From what I can gather he appears to be some kind of religious guy?

    The thing about Divine Tits proving god? Kinda sad and creepy all at the same time. I love boobs too (though find myself much more drawn to butts) but I don’t mistake them for a religious experience.

    Do eight massive floppy nursing dog-tits prove the existence of Dog-Jesus?

  43. says

    The thing about Divine Tits proving god? Kinda sad and creepy all at the same time. I love boobs too (though find myself much more drawn to butts) but I don’t mistake them for a religious experience.

    This is most likely because, in your mind, you have a very clear definition of what a ‘religious experience’ should be like, even when you do not believe in religious experiences? What a paradox! Michelle the goddess, with her bouncing divine breasts, on a beach in Rio, wouldn’t you call this a religious experience? If not, why not?

  44. The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa) says

    Why Not? Because they’re breasts. When I’m feeling frisky and if the person they’re attached to is feeling the same, they’re fun to play with, but otherwise I find them kind of mundane and easy to ignore. Half the human population has them, after all. And a very large portion of that half are getting sick of being defined by them.

    They’re roundish lumps of fatty tissue, covered in skin, with a nipple on ‘em. Biological constructs. Fun biological constructs, because my genes as a heterosexual male primate make me find them fun, and useful for nursing (when they work properly, that is), but so what? It doesn’t make them divine or mystical.

    If I were to believe in a goddess, why do you think it would be her ‘tits’ that I should worship, as opposed to say her mind or abilities? This says far more about you and your view of women than it does me.

  45. The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa) says

    Shorter me: A stiffie isn’t a sign from heaven, dude.

  46. antigodless says

    That is the dumbest diagram I have seen since an artist tried to make an impression of a transitional being between an ape and a man. Both are hopelessly incorrect and laughable.

    For starters, the man you portrayed in this cartoon – Jesus- first showed up to two women. They thought he looked quite normal, and would certainly have run from a ‘zombie’ image as you portray.

    Secondly, there was no appearance of blood, because it was a RESURRECTED body, not a decomposing body. This Jesus appeared to twelve of his students several times after his initial encounter with the two women. He ate fish in front of them. He walked on a beach and did not scare any passer-bys with his ugly, decomposed look. Why? Because He was NOT a pale, decomposing, bleeding zombie. This Jesus even stated He was not a ghost, and indeed had a body and a skeletal system like those he appeared to.

    I hate to say it ladies and gentlemen, but your image just reflects a subjective, unscientific artists impression which is totally unfounded. I would at least think a Science Lecturer, who has a position in a respectable university, would get his facts right before posting silly caricatures to an impressionable body of young university students.

  47. says

    They’re roundish lumps of fatty tissue, covered in skin, with a nipple on ‘em. Biological constructs. Fun biological constructs, because my genes as a heterosexual male primate make me find them fun, and useful for nursing (when they work properly, that is), but so what? It doesn’t make them divine or mystical.

    Yeah well, you are probably not the right guy for this argument. I need someone like me. By the way, the point is, it is just not the mere shape and size and the colour of a breasts that turns on a man. Because if it true, then what are called ‘fake boobs’, would have the equal power to turn on a man. They don’t. On the contrary, most men find them a turn-off. If a female’s breast’s power to ‘turn on’ a man could be divided into 10 equal segments, and these segments could be numbered from 1 to 10, with 1 being the lowest point of power and 10 being the highest point of power, how would you rate the power of Michelle’s breasts as compared to … say, the power of Pamela Anderson’s breasts? I would rate them as: Michelle 10, Pam Anderson 1. Why? There’s lot to think here, I guess…

    If I were to believe in a goddess, why do you think it would be her ‘tits’ that I should worship, as opposed to say her mind or abilities? This says far more about you and your view of women than it does me.

    Because, for one thing, ‘tits’ are physical and can be seen by eyes, thus much easy to ‘evaluate’. Whereas the mind of a person is invisible, thus much harder to ‘evaluate’. I appreciate a woman’s mind too. But I, kind of, appreciate the whole package. Which is to say, I do not consider one thing to be superior to another in a woman. For me, each part has its own value.

  48. Rumtopf says

    Aw come on, the best part was when Jesus got Thomas to stick his hands into the gaping wounds :D

  49. Rumtopf says

    “Yeah well, you are probably not the right guy for this argument. I need someone like me.”

    Hahahahaha.

  50. The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa) says

    Yeah well, you are probably not the right guy for this argument. I need someone like me.

    You mean another religious guy who sees women (just the ‘attractive’ goddesses, I’m assuming) as “that thing what’s attached to the TIIIIIIIIIIITS”?

    By the way, the point is, it is just not the mere shape and size and the colour of a breasts that turns on a man.

    True, for many of us breasts are a just fun aside, you know, because we are attracted to the women we’re attracted to because of their personalities and who they are. Most of us. I’m guessing this is why I’m ‘probably not the right guy for this argument’.

    Because if it true, then what are called ‘fake boobs’, would have the equal power to turn on a man. They don’t. On the contrary, most men find them a turn-off.

    Blatant jackassery. For a guy who considers boobs divine, I don’t really think you know a lot about them. What else can I say? Except

    Because, for one thing, ‘tits’ are physical and can be seen by eyes, thus much easy to ‘evaluate’. Whereas the mind of a person is invisible, thus much harder to ‘evaluate’

    Again, this says a lot about your view of women. Forget the bone to ‘woman’s mind’ and ‘whole package’ you toss next in your paragraph, it’s unnecessary. Getting to know women as people is hard, so you’d rather put their boobs on a pedestal and act like the tightness in your pants is God speaking to you, and not biology plus some very creepy ideas about women.

  51. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Oh, Rajkumar, the fuckwitted idjit, recommended a YT for some inane insipidity. Raj, you recommending anything is considered a time waster for me, so I will ignore each and every recommendation you target me for. You are Heinlein’s fool who is asked, when you need to vote and don’t have time to form a proper opinion. Ask the fool, which is you Rajkumar, and then do the opposite is what you recommend. And you offer nothing of cogency, intellect, honesty, and integrity. So, like Heinlein recommends, the opposite is good. If you think Alan Watts is worthwhile, it means he isn’t. Welcome to reality, where you are the cesspool of thinking. And PZ has warned you to quit your present just trolling and actually discuss something intelligently and with evidence in his #4. Your banhammer is being warmed up for your insipidity, dishonesty, fuckwittery, and general stupidity.

  52. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Oh, and Rajkumar

    Kinsey Institute

    Masters and Johnson Book.

    As usual the world is ahead of your inane and slow mind, and you need to learn how to read for comprehension. Now go wank on your own in private. Your asshattery bores us into a near-coma, and I have the Redhead’s laundry to do.

  53. The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa) says

    Because if it true, then what are called ‘fake boobs’, would have the equal power to turn on a man. They don’t. On the contrary, most men find them a turn-off

    one more point that slipped my mind: Way to body shame, asshole. That shit isn’t much appreciated here. No one gives a fuck what turns you on, in fact the less we know about it the better as far as I’m concerned.

  54. 'Tis Himself says

    antigodless #60

    How do you know Jebus looked normal? The gospels were written long after the events supposedly portrayed in them and the writers were not eye-witnesses. Instead, the writers had agendas they were pushing. Were they going to say “Jebus came out of the tomb looking semi-decomposed and muttering ‘brains! brains!'” even if that’s what happened?

  55. says

    one more point that slipped my mind: Way to body shame, asshole. That shit isn’t much appreciated here. No one gives a fuck what turns you on, in fact the less we know about it the better as far as I’m concerned.

    OK. But one question: Why do you sound so serious? Do I sound serious to you? Not my mistake if I do. It’s your fault for taking that ‘divine breast argument’ seriously. No one gives a shit is the right expression. You are all clowns. Who gives a shit about having a proper argument with a bunch of buffoons?

  56. says

    Chill out. relax. and note that your ‘gentlemanly’ attitude towards women is not going to win you a real woman. You’d still remain the king of mastrubators

  57. 'Tis Himself says

    Do I sound serious to you?

    In other words, you’re just trolling for lols. What an asshole you are.

  58. says

    In other words, you’re just trolling for lols. What an asshole you are.

    What do you expect. I am surrounded by professional trolls and ass holes and ‘doll-blowers’.

  59. 'Tis Himself says

    Chill out. relax. and note that your ‘gentlemanly’ attitude towards women is not going to win you a real woman.

    So the only way to “win a real woman” is to obsess about her breasts? Do you compliment “real women” about their tits and sneer at “unreal women” for having less then perfect breasts? Tell us, misogynist asshole, what’s the best way to talk to a “real woman” about her hooters?

  60. says

    So the only way to “win a real woman” is to obsess about her breasts? Do you compliment “real women” about their tits and sneer at “unreal women” for having less then perfect breasts? Tell us, misogynist asshole, what’s the best way to talk to a “real woman” about her hooters?

    Why should I tell you? You are never going to need this skill anyway.

  61. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Yawn, clueless wonder is still clueless. Why he must be clueless in public is beyond the ken normal people, much less the intelligent folks who are regulars at this blog, and is why his banhammer is warming up…

  62. says

    Yawn, clueless wonder is still clueless. Why he must be clueless in public is beyond the ken normal people, much less the intelligent folks who are regulars at this blog, and is why his banhammer is warming up…

    Yeah. I can sense that, too. Nothing else seems to be working. Which is why, I think I should be going now. But Nerd, I must say, you didn’t pick the bait as I had hoped you would. You, it turns out, are a tiny bit smarter than your army of clowns. Well done.

  63. The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa) says

    Chill out. relax. and note that your ‘gentlemanly’ attitude towards women is not going to win you a real woman. You’d still remain the king of mastrubators

    Because in your world, the only goal of respecting women as human beings is to ‘win’ them, you know, like prizes or trophies! Trophies you can fuck! Who have boobs!

    OK. But one question: Why do you sound so serious? Do I sound serious to you?

    I dunno, you tell me? You’re the one making creepy misogynistic statements and defending religion on pharyngula.

  64. Ogvorbis says

    OMG!! Isn’t it magical?! It must be the work of a deity!

    Nah. Look at the timestamp ya idjit. This was a nightety!

  65. KG says

    For starters, the man you portrayed in this cartoon – Jesus- first showed up to two women. – antigodless

    For starters, that depends on which gospel you pick, doesn’t it? In Matthew it’s Mary Magdalene and “the other Mary”. In Mark and John, it’s Mary Magdelene alone (and in Mark, the last 12 verses were clearly added later – the earliest manuscripts omit them and there’s an obvious break in the text, the original didn’t mention a post-mortem appearance of Jesus at all). In Luke, it’s Cleopas and another unnamed person. In Luke and John, the person or persons first seeing Jesus don’t initially recognise him – in the case of the gospel of Luke, not for a considerable time. The contradictions about who saw Jesus first are only one set of many: who first went to the tomb?, did they see one angel or two or none?, did those who went to the tomb immediately tell anyone else it was empty? Clearly, none of the gospels, which were written decades after the alleged events described, can possibly be trusted.

  66. AshPlant says

    antigodless @60: Riiiiight, so your point is what?…Jokes are invalid when they contradict what happened in real life? I’ll let the definition of ‘real life’ slide for now, because merely thinking the Bible is true is mundane and ordinary, but objecting to Zombie Jesus jokes in such detail is new and bizarre and a whole other level of hilarious. Your last paragraph in particular threatened my bladder control. Who knew a cartoon could be such SRS BIZNESS?

  67. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    I would at least think a Science Lecturer, who has a position in a respectable university, would get his facts right before posting silly caricatures to an impressionable body of young university students.

    Well, lets look at your facts. PZ is an Associate Professor, not a Lecturer. Mistake one. His CV is on the side bar. Second, you haven’t shown the inerrancy of the babble with solid and conclusive physical evidence, mistake two. You simply falsely presuppose it, just like the existence of your imaginary deity, the third mistake you make. If you can’t show the truth, with solid evidence not based on fallacious presuppositions, you can’t complain about others who don’t agree with your illogical mistakes.

  68. opposablethumbs says

    fwiw ryanwilkinson, if you’re still around, the purely personal opinion of this total stranger on the internet is that you should/would do well to stick around and read here, probably without commenting, for a good long while. I’d bet that if you did there’s at least a chance you’d have a few lightbulb moments. Obviously if you or I or anyone comments bullshit you/I/they will continue to get your/my/their asses handed to you/me/them in a sling.
    .
    And of course, as others have pointed out, there are a gazillion other atheist sites out there that take a different approach – the whole range of flavours is available; no need for Pharyngula to ape them just because some people prefer a different flavour. Also, Overton. Window.
    .
    Personally I would take a site where I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that sexist and other discriminatory crap will always get called out over a site which is all High Minded Superficially Courteous (and actually silencing) Intellectual Discussion any moment of any day of any week.
    .
    Oh, and antigodless? Hilarious. You actually thought you were making a point there? Beyond hilarious. (PS you know that bible thing you’re so fond of? People wrote it! Ordinary people with an agenda wrote a whole bunch of stuff years after the events they purport to describe, and made shit up. You really think a real bloke who actually once existed got executed in a bog-standard way but came back to life again afterwards? And you don’t get why that means we will roll our eyes and laugh at you?)

  69. theophontes 777 says

    @ ‘Tis & Rumtopf

    How do you know Jebus looked normal? …

    Just to clarify your question, I’ll comment on:

    Godbot: ‘Secondly, there was no appearance of blood, because it was a RESURRECTED body, not a decomposing body.’

    This is exactly what happened to Hector. Upset at the desecration that Achilles planned for the cadaver of Hector, the gods preserved his corpse so that it was in perfect condition even after being dragged about behind a chariot. By comparison jeebus didn’t have much to complain of.

    Rumtopf: Aw come on, the best part was when Jesus got Thomas to stick his hands into the gaping wounds :D

    This was likely based on the story of Ulysses. People could not believe his return after nearly two decades of war and wandering. He had to show the scar on his knee where he had been gored by a wild boar. It was taken as a sign of his right to kingship.

    Remember that these popular tales had over 800 years to spread around the Mediterranean. The jeebus myth is just poor, derivative fanfiction.

  70. Usernames are stupid says

    Seeing our boy talk about women’s breasts reminds me of that scene in “40 year old Virgin:

    You know how when you grab a woman’s breast… it feels like… a bag of sand.

  71. Ogvorbis says

    rajkumar the misogynist:

    Could you please reconcile your observations about the male human’s reaction to female human’s breasts (and that reaction being proof of gods) and the large number of cultures in human history in which female humans going topless, or with breasts fully exposed in other ways, was normal? And, if you could point to some peer-reviewed literature supporting your assertion regarding the male human’s reaction to female human’s breasts that would also help.

  72. KG says

    Do I sound serious to you? – rajkumar

    No, but then your never say anything that a person of any intelligence would say seriously. It’s all fuckwitted drivel.

  73. says

    @Nephy

    Fuck you.

    1) lesson is not relevent only to this place…it is human nature to defend an idea once publivally expressed. Its easy to get into a mental trap of defending the indefensible for egotistical reasons. It is a good lesson to learn that you can sit back and be humble enough to learn and admit you were wrong rather than arguing indefinitly trying to save face. Its a point of maturity not 1984 bullshit. It is liberating to be able to escape your own argument, its also honest. Coverup is more damning than the crime often. Best damage control is to take lumps rather than look like an idiot trying to “win”.

    2) your an asshole for intentionally misreading that as hivemind bullshit. Context was clear you’re just trolling and seeking to shit on
    someone.

    3) I was talking about being actually honest and open to real discussion. As in actually trying to be right rather than just feel right

    4) you’re an asshole…it bears repeating

  74. theophontes 777 says

    @ Ing

    @Nephy Fuck you.

    I give Nepenthe the benefit of the doubt. Any arguments against Nepenthe I regard as arguments against me.

  75. chigau (違う) says

    rajkumar
    Yeah. I can sense that, too. Nothing else seems to be working. Which is why, I think I should be going now. But Nerd, I must say, you didn’t pick the bait as I had hoped you would. You, it turns out, are a tiny bit smarter than your army of clowns. Well done.

    I read this as an admission of trolling.
    Is that a bannable offense on TZT?
    Are all normal rules suspended on TZT?
    If so, can we have a vote?
    Where are the jeans I was wearing yesterday?

  76. theophontes 777 says

    @ chigau

    Where are the jeans I was wearing yesterday?

    Technically you are the most powerful person on TZT (with the possible exception of teh poopyhead) as 2IC.

    trolling is not technically a bannable offence on TZT. It is the one place where the trolls can have their say. The Pharyngulites can of course overcome their SIWOTI syndrome if they try hard enough. They can simply ignore trolls (haha, like this is EVAH! goin to happen).

  77. Louis says

    Wait, I have a world saving problem according to Ryan and tits therefore god according to Rajiot?

    Finally, something I can get behind!

    Praise the lord and get out of my way whilst I make everything right!

    I’m starting my revolutionary religious and world saving crusade in a strip club.* Hey, it’s the church of my new religion. DON’T YOU JUDGE ME!!!!!!!

    Louis

    * You may have to start saving the world without me. I could be a while. I have to save quite a few people. Repeatedly. Possibly by the new holy act of Buying Drinks and Looking at the Lady’s Eyes-No Really-Her Eyes-EYES DAMMIT. I may be moderately drunk when the actual revolution starts and may have forgotten the details. I will however love you and tell you you are my best friend before buying an oversized “trophy” kebab which I have no chance of actually eating but will wake up face down in come morning. You know my methods, people, apply them.

  78. theophontes 777 says

    @ Ing

    Well I wish they gave me the benefit of doubt. Sorry I took offense.

    If you ever need time out I would certainly do the same for you.(this is not out of disrespect for you)

    I’m sure you aren’t trying to say that you’ll defend them against any jackassery or wrongness on their part out of tribalism.

    I am a tribalist generally , but not in this case.

    Because that would be creepy and ironic.

    I am not likely going to take sides against tardigrades on behalf of teh hoomins.

  79. theophontes 777 says

    @ theontics

    Shit dude, your nym looks so familiar.

    @ Rev

    Yawn.

    I feel SO obliged to be here.

  80. theophontes 777 says

    @ Ing

    Of course. (It’s just that we need to be sensitive from time to time…)

  81. says

    SG:

    I’m glad to see Nepenthe commenting.

    Theophontes:

    I give Nepenthe the benefit of the doubt. Any arguments against Nepenthe I regard as arguments against me.

    ♥ Same here.

    Ing, I think if you had read a bit further before replying, you would have seen that Nepenthe is in a bad place right now and a lot of things are hitting her especially hard in a negative way. Some of us here know her and are glad to have her and her input. She’s most certainly not a troll, she has been a commenter here for a long while. She also apologized, so I think a ‘case closed’ can be stamped on it.

  82. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    @theophontes

    Not obliged but checking in and seeing raj run roughshod over the thread with his obvious baiting and idiocy is tiring

  83. theophontes 777 says

    @ Rev

    I hear you completely. But on the other hand we kinda agreed (well actually the inner party agreed) to give the trolls a lot of rope here, This is one experimental thread to see if we can maintain ourselves without teh poopyhead.

  84. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    Yeah I know. I’m actually anti-ban hammer.

    Raj is just so stupid he has no clue how stupid he is or comes off.

    And he’s incredible tiring as the stupid person he is.

  85. Ogvorbis says

    Raj is just so stupid he has no clue how stupid he is or comes off.

    Sorry. I’m just trying to imagine how hard it would be for Raj to present a peer-reviewed paper. That would be an interesting ‘peer’ group.

  86. chigau (違う) says

    My towel was covering my pants on the back of the bedroom door.
    That’s why I couldn’t find them.

  87. says

    Yikes. I have often lamented that creationists and other idiots seem to be scared of commenting on Pharyngula the way they used to. I have been disappointed by the lack of chew toys. Now I see they have not actually gone anywhere, they just congregate in TZT. The high concentrations of stupid astound me.

    Maybe I should pay attention to TZT and TET more often.

  88. theophontes 777 says

    @ Rev

    I have not a clue how to get rid of the likes of raj. Ultimately we should just start to ignore teh stupid. (I think its an interesting experiment. How does a community hold the line without strong mechanisms. I don’t know. (But I’d like to know.)

    @ chigau

    I am quite sure your pants sure beat the hell out of whatever is happening on teh thread.

  89. Crip Dyke, MQ, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden says

    I had a friend who was/is a well-known activist in certain circles. We were meeting with some folks at an after-conference party and she was relating this story about how everyone always thinks she’s so smart and together but at home all her boy-toy hears is, “Where’s my pants???”

    Lost pants have never been the same to me after that.

  90. says

    I think its an interesting experiment. How does a community hold the line without strong mechanisms. I don’t know. (But I’d like to know.)

    I suspect it will be difficult but that is just based on my recent experiences elsewhere when trying to get a group of users to hold the line.

    I am a member of a group on social network that is that is devoted to letting photographers know others are using their works on their profiles so that they can decided whether to issue a DCMA request, or whatever they want to do. There are 650 members but probably only 30 are actually active. In the past people would often send the people using the photos messages, comment on the photos, sometimes nicely informing them they did not have permission and that it is against the terms of service, some being meaner. People mainly did this as the site admin did not take this issue very seriously and people were frustrated as they did not seem to honour their own terms of service, though I suspect some just enjoyed it. Anyway, the site rules changed and they finally started taking it seriously. Now anyone can report an image and the website staff will contact the copyright owners. The system works much better overall. There was a lot of discussion in the group about how we should go forward and it was decided that suspect profiles should simply be reported, no insults, and if you know where the images come from just report them an move on. No need to post about it in the group. Overall the goal was to keep the angry posts down as many people do not seem to like having the 3000+ photos they have stored on their profile taken down, even if they agreed not to post other people’s photos and get rather angry when this is pointed out. However, keeping people to this has been difficult. It seems no matter how many times some users have been told about the new procedures they cannot abide by it. And this is a small group, on a website with much more stringent rules about what can be said and how you can say it.

    I do not think it would take many people ignoring the embargo to keep raj going. But hey, maybe I am wrong. I would not mind seeing this experiment in action.

  91. Hurinomyces bruxellensis says

    Theophontes

    I think its an interesting experiment. How does a community hold the line without strong mechanisms.

    IMO this should only be difficult when you have idiocy exhibitionists like Raj, who apparently gets off on publicly humiliating itself.

    Unless PZ decides to occasionally flush the TZT, I think well have to wait for him to get bored and find greener pastures to troll. That’ll probably happen whether or not we ignore him, but it’d certainly be nicer if there were a quick way.

  92. Janine: History’s Greatest Monster says

    But SallyStrange, are your breasts up to the standards of perfection that the creep uses to prove the existence of god? Not just any pair will do.

    (I feel just a tiny bit more slimy for even snarking.)

  93. theophontes 777 says

    @ Janine

    But SallyStrange, are your breasts up to the standards of perfection that the creep uses to prove the existence of god? Not just any pair will do.

    My moobs are truly luscious – But raj is pretending so hard to be perfectly straight. I don’t think it will notice.

  94. Louis says

    I am instigating a rebellion here on TZT where PZ can never, ever see it. I have posted instructions here.

    Let us be undaunted.

    Louis

  95. Louis says

    Theophontes,

    Thank you, comrade. Our righteous struggle will create a comment section that will last a thousand years.

    Fight on.

    Louis

  96. Louis says

    Chigau,

    That is enough time. Give me a sufficiently large lever, somewhere to put it, and 16 minutes and I can emerge puffing and sweaty and slope of down the pub for a beer and a good hard skive.

    Louis

  97. theophontes 777 says

    @ chigau

    It took The Squidhead 16 minutes.
    (to comment)

    Yes. This is exactly what we need. We can calculate he targets trajectory and intercept… Mwahahahahaha.

    @ Louis

    Nothing to worry about.

  98. Amphiox says

    Used it as a verb, not as a noun.

    The rajafapmore seems to think this somehow makes a difference with respect to its wretched misogyny.

    How sickening.

  99. Amphiox says

    But Nerd, I must say, you didn’t pick the bait as I had hoped you would.

    WE go to the effort of giving the fapwit links as information and legitmate arguments. WE make the effort to try to explain to it why having such citations is important for honest discussion.

    IT ignores our explanations, refuses to even acknowledge the links we give it, and drops links as some kind of sick joke, and when called out on it, pretends it is some kind of “clever” (another word the fapwit is incapable of properly defining) rhetorical trap.

    Sickeningly pitiful intellectual dishonesty.

    Fapfap.

  100. chigau (違う) says

    I just have a feeling that PZ knows everything that goes on here.

  101. Amphiox says

    Unless PZ decides to occasionally flush the TZT, I think well have to wait for him to get bored and find greener pastures to troll.

    IIRC, PZ said that the TZT would be an experiment. He never said that there would be absolutely no standards for the banhammer even here.

    The current specimen will make an interesting test case.

  102. Hurinomyces bruxellensis says

    IIRC, PZ said that the TZT would be an experiment. He never said that there would be absolutely no standards for the banhammer even here.

    You recall correctly. He just says the thread will be unmonitored. Of course bannings would arguably necessitate some minimal amount of monitoring.

    The current specimen will make an interesting test case.

    Interesting indeed. I guess we’ll see how vile Raj decides to be, and whether the dread overlord becomes curious about what is frothing around down here.

  103. Ogvorbis says

    Flush the toilet? Here, now. I must protest. Rajwhateverthefuckitis is far more toxic, annoying, and useless than anything I have ever flushed (or tried to flush (which includes (according to Sister) a Barbie Doll)))!

  104. Louis says

    Chigau,

    Ah yes. He sees all, he knows all, but sometimes he pretends he does not see and know all. Cunning, cunning.

    Louis

  105. says

    But SallyStrange, are your breasts up to the standards of perfection that the creep uses to prove the existence of god?

    I’ve been told that my breasts are “amazing”, my “best feature,” (which is kinda rude, I think, but anyway) and “the platonic ideal of breasts.”

    Therefore, if my breasts don’t measure up, then that’s proof that there is no god.

    Simple, really.

  106. Ogvorbis says

    “the platonic ideal of breasts.”

    Just read that as “plutonic ideal of breasts” and my first thought was, Isn’t that kinda intrusive?

  107. Louis says

    SallyStrange,

    Oh for fuck’s sake. Now you have placed us all in a terrible quandary. Do we ask for proof like good sceptics and rationalists and thus damn ourselves as sexists and objectifiers of (other) women? Or do we take your word for it, and therefore become no better than the goddists, but maintain our outward poise of calm and consideration in the face of members of the opposite/fair sex?

    What to do, what to do.

    Hmmm is getting you to describe them an adequate compromise?

    Louis

    P.S. I am not even remotely serious! SallyStrange, your BEWBZ are your own affair, and they would have to be spectacular to outweigh what I consider to be your best features: wit, insight, intellect, fearsome anti-idiocy stance and a fanatical devotion to the pope…I’ll come in again…

  108. Ichthyic says

    Who gives a shit about having a proper argument with a bunch of buffoons?

    truly well spoken by the dude who lives in his parent’s basement.

  109. Louis says

    Ichthyic,

    I’ve arrived at the (possibly belated) opinion that a notable segment of the current AtBCer crop has jumped the shark, so like yourself, I’m gone.

    Sad really, there’s some great people there who I really like, but I’m buggered if “I’m not interested in discussing this with you because I think you’re an arse on this issue” is quantum rocket surgery. It seems beyond a few of the whiny “anti-PZ/let’s still be sexist ‘cos it’s ace” crowd. Apparently an emphatic “no” confuses them, I didn’t realise posting here means TOTAL ENDORSEMENT, so *poof*.

    And then there was one.

    Louis

  110. Ichthyic says

    Sad really, there’s some great people there who I really like

    I felt the same way when I left.

    but, those I cared about I found in other locales.

    :)

  111. Louis says

    Ichthyic,

    but, those I cared about I found in other locales.

    Oh?

    Well, I have to say, while I read widely, I post very narrowly, it was, until recently AtBC and here really. The odd post in and around perhaps, but nothing more. If there’s a decent spot or two I’ve missed, and I have no doubt there is, let me know.

    Louis

  112. Ichthyic says

    …but I’m still not giving up my place in the Brownian cue.

    hope you understand.

  113. Louis says

    Ichthyic,

    Oh balls. I made a stoopid!

    Flattered, but stoopid!

    Louis

    P.S. And likewise.

  114. Louis says

    Ichthyic,

    I understand completely. He’s far better looking. But I do do that think with my tongue.

    Louis

  115. Janine: History’s Greatest Monster says

    Mikel, you are an evil, evil person.

    I approve.

  116. Janine: History’s Greatest Monster says

    I was thinking the same thing. I have not seen woot in years.

  117. A. R says

    Hey TZT! Sorr I’ve been gone so long, but I had a wonderful experience with Strep compounded by serous otitis media that had me incapacitated for a few days. Could someone update me? Otherwise I have about 2,000 comments to read.

  118. Ichthyic says

    Could someone update me?

    sure thing:

    if you’ve been gone less than 2 weeks…

    Raj has posted more inanity.

    We have a new player who wants to debate tone:

    ryanwilkinson.

    Abbie and PZ are at war, slimepit trolls have been summarily deep-fried here.

  119. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    Me too though I’m doubtful anyone wants to see mine. All that hair and all…

    Though I have been working out. A lot.

    ….
    …..
    ……
    ……..
    ………..

    Wife says no. Sorry.

  120. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    I just had Goldies (the ’97 Ford Probe) rack and pinion fixed…

  121. 'Tis Himself says

    SallyStrange #172

    Now you’ve done it. Rajmisogynist will be worshiping that picture for hours. It’ll take weeks to get the jizz stains out of the basement carpet.

  122. says

    Okay, these are totally some some random chick’s tits that I found on the internet. Yup. *nodnod*

    Sally, thought I would just drop by to give a quick review.

    The red bra provides an excellent support to these breasts, because it adds to the power of breasts. However, the tattoo on the left breast nullifies that power rise given to the breasts by the red bra. Now, **the most important observation** that could be made about the pictures is, the lady appears to be a little shy about exposing the real power of her breasts. Which is to say, she is effectively covering those divine spots called nipples. Why? I have no idea. One reason pops in mind. Maybe she is an American, and most Americans would instantly classify a picture with bare breasts as belonging to the ‘porn’ category.

  123. says

    Your feeble attempts at resisting the power of the boobs are noted. If the bikini top were removed, the universe would implode from sheer amazingness. So thank your lucky stars that the lady in the picture is compassionate and kind and prefers that life continue rather than end.

  124. says

    Your feeble attempts at resisting the power of the boobs are noted. If the bikini top were removed, the universe would implode from sheer amazingness. So thank your lucky stars that the lady in the picture is compassionate and kind and prefers that life continue rather than end.

    Yeah good point. I guess it is the same principle at work behind why some Eastern honeys cover their faces with veils … lest the universe would implode from sheer amazingness. Not to mention the power of their well-hidden breasts….

    Also, tattoo bigot? How quaint. What are you, 50 years old? (No offense to non-judgmental older folks)

    35. I don’t mind tattoos. But, I guess, human bodies just look more (naturally) beautiful without them. At least, to me they do.

  125. says

    I’m packing a rather stunning pair m’self.

    I don’t doubt it. :D

    Tats? Pfffffffft, I’m a 50+ person with tats. :D

    One of my favorite tattoos was on a lady who was 60+. She was working as a nurse in the college infirmary. It was a turtle tattoo on her neck, and when I complimented her on it, she explained that she had decided to get a tattoo to celebrate her birthday every ten years, starting when she was 10. So she had three. She’s a Native too, like you. She was really cool. Wonder if she still works there.

    Have I mentioned my plans for a shoulder tattoo? It’ll be of the Earth from space. Just gotta save some moneyz…

  126. says

    Ah, but it’s well-established that you’re one of the more stupid people ever to roam the surface of this planet, so who the fuck cares, you fucking disgusting misogynist fapwit?

    I don’t know who the fuck cares, and neither do I care even the least bit about who cares and who do not. Least of all, YOU.

  127. says

    Did you ever manage to work out what the phrase “peer review” denotes among real people, Raj?

    Do you even know how many times you have fallen victim to the pranks during your conversations with me? Come on, give me a number. Hint. its 10+

  128. says

    Sally, me guess is, you are hungry for sex and not getting enough of it. You can bitch at me for this, but it’s really not my fault, really.

  129. says

    Do you even know how many times you have fallen victim to the pranks during your conversations with me? Come on, give me a number. Hint. its 10+

    LOL

    Dude, you mean all the times you were trolling? Look, I don’t have time to try to figure out if you’re sincerely stupid or just pretending to be stupid. Even if you’re pretending to be stupid, you’re still stupid, because only a stupid person would think that pretending to be dumber than he is is a worthwhile pasttime. I mean, what–you’re like, “HA HA! I didn’t really MEAN all those stupid things I said! Gotcha!” So what? They were still mind-bogglingly asinine. I take people at their word. If you prefer to lie about what you really think then that’s your problem.

    As far as being hungry for sex, well, I am, most of the time. And? It’s what happens when you have a strong libido.

  130. Amphiox says

    Do you even know how many times you have fallen victim to the pranks during your conversations with me? Come on, give me a number. Hint. its 10+

    The number is zero. The rajafapmore’s pitifully transparent attempts at intellectual dishonesty, which it in its ethical bankruptcy calls “pranks” were all obvious from the start.

    The fapwit thinks that an intellectually HONEST response to fapwittery count as “falling” for a “prank”, because it, in its ethical depravity, cannot comprehend what the word “honesty” means.

    Pathetic scumbag.

    Fapfapfap.

  131. Amphiox says

    I guess it is the same principle at work behind why some Eastern honeys cover their faces with veils

    More misogyny, this time seasoned with bigotry.

    Odious.

    Pitiful.

  132. Amphiox says

    Even if you’re pretending to be stupid, you’re still stupid, because only a stupid person would think that pretending to be dumber than he is is a worthwhile pasttime.

    Every time the fapwit THINKS it is pulling of a ‘gotcha’ moment for one of its ‘pranks’, it doesn’t realize that everyone can and has already anticipated its response well in advance, and all it is doing is exposing yet more of its stupidity, dishonesty, absence of character, and lack of basic human decency for everyone to see.

  133. says

    As far as being hungry for sex, well, I am, most of the time. And? It’s what happens when you have a strong libido.

    Very true. But you are not taking into account the intense mood swings that follow when cravings resulting from that strong libido are not satisfied. We have all just witnessed such a mood swing, I guess.

    Anyways, good job getting back into your human skin so quickly. You sound normal again, and quite pleasant.

  134. says

    Every time the fapwit THINKS it is pulling of a ‘gotcha’ moment for one of its ‘pranks’, it doesn’t realize that everyone can and has already anticipated its response well in advance, and all it is doing is exposing yet more of its stupidity, dishonesty, absence of character, and lack of basic human decency for everyone to see.

    well, a lot of people would disagree. The moment I was moved into this thread, I had switched into the prank mode. This is what I thought the freedom of moving into thread meant. Treat the monkeys like that deserve to be treated — like giant clueless baboons.

  135. anteprepro says

    Some driveby Christer upthread:

    For starters, the man you portrayed in this cartoon – Jesus- first showed up to two women. They thought he looked quite normal, and would certainly have run from a ‘zombie’ image as you portray.

    Becuz wimmenz is such fraidy cats, right?

    You are apparently not educated much in zombie lore. Unfamiliar with the vast number of works on the subject. Perhaps you should read World War Z or the various internet resources regarding zombie survival and the various mechanisms for zombie apocalypses before spouting off and showing your ignorance of the matter here. Dismissing the works of the various scholars of zombification and undeath means that we can only dismiss your claims with as much ease and as little rigor. Educate yourself on these serious, intellectual matters before cavalierly dismissing them like pompous, unlearned boor.

    (Zombies can look and act very human before they have completely turned.)

    Secondly, there was no appearance of blood, because it was a RESURRECTED body, not a decomposing body.

    John 20: 20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the LORD…
    25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
    26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
    27 Then saith He to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

    He ate fish in front of them.

    Fish have brains and flesh to eat, ya know.

    He walked on a beach and did not scare any passer-bys with his ugly, decomposed look.

    It takes about three days to start with the real, serious decomposition, and Jesus was only in his tomb for a day and a half. And it doesn’t start looking horribly decayed until about ten days after death.

    Also, interesting note, the beach scene takes place in the chapter of John immediately after the Doubting Thomas wound-fisting scene that you were apparently unaware of. And it has the disciples not recognizing poor ol’ Jesus at first. He apparently looked a little un-Jesus-like at the time. Corpse bloat’ll do that to ya.

    I hate to say it ladies and gentlemen, but your image just reflects a subjective, unscientific artists impression which is totally unfounded.

    Stated by the critter who started his post alluding to the fact that he trusts a literal interpretation of thousand year old phantasmagorical poetry over the interpretation of objective evidence by modern day science. You managed to fail to rebut an obvious joke while showing that you are also a hypocrite. All in the space of a few paragraphs. Good job!

    Side note: holy shit raj is one boring, yet awful, little troll.

    Anyways, good job getting back into your human skin so quickly.

    Too bad raj can’t say the same of himself. He’s been fumbling with his human skin for so long that each one of us could point out the exact panel where the faulty wiring is.

    Treat the monkeys like that deserve to be treated — like giant clueless baboons.

    Yes, it was all part of your master plan. Not understanding the meaning of peer review was the best practical joke I’ve ever seen. We’re totally buying it, dood.

  136. Ichthyic says

    The moment I was moved into this thread, I had switched into the prank mode.

    strangely, it’s impossible to tell your “pranks” from your “serious” posts.

    you’re a perfect poe of yourself.

    fapwit.

  137. Ichthyic says

    …btw, if fapwit is serious about everything he posted in this thread being trolls, then he of course still has to explain how he got confined here to begin with….

    stupid is as stupid does.

    fucking fapwit.

  138. says

    Yes, it was all part of your master plan. Not understanding the meaning of peer review was the best practical joke I’ve ever seen. We’re totally buying it, dood.

    I didn’t think you would buy it. But that hardly matters. Nothing matters actually. No one is going to send these threads to anyone to claim any prize. Maybe treat this whole Zombie threads episode as some joy ride. Pure fun. When Myers moved me here, I thought, that my moving here meant that I was free to write and do anything I liked. And plus, I was under the impression that all of you guys were having fun, too, by being funny and humorous!

    Not saying it was just me who had the fun. Did anyone before me ever gave you guys so many opportunities and so much space to vent your rage and hatred? I don’t think so. All of you must be feeling at least 20 kilos lighter. No need to thank.

    By the way, there was no master plan. All was and still is spontaneous and instinctual.

  139. Ichthyic says

    Very true. But you are not taking into account the intense mood swings that follow when cravings resulting from that strong libido are not satisfied.

    what you know of psychology and human sexuality, living in your parent’s basement as you obviously are, wouldn’t fill a fucking thimble.

  140. Amphiox says

    The moment I was moved into this thread, I had switched into the prank mode.

    We knew this from the beginning, fapwit.

    We continued to respond to your pitiful provocations because THAT IS WHAT INTELLECTUALLY HONEST PEOPLE DO. Naturally you, who have no concept of what being honest actually means, could not comprehend this.

    And with each and every subsequent post you fapped out, thinking it a “prank”, you exposed more of your own stupidity, dishonesty, hatefulness, and vile lack of anything resembling any shred of human character, integrity, or decency.

    And you’re still doing it.

    So keep on proving my point for me, fapwit.

    Fapfapfap.

  141. says

    OK. Now I may leave.

    Even if he is warming up his ban hammer, as Nerd thinks, I still thank Professor Myers for letting me speak here at will… It was a great gesture on his part.

  142. Amphiox says

    When Myers moved me here, I thought, that my moving here meant that I was free to write and do anything I liked.

    Yes, and in doing so you exposed for all to see the kind of dishonest, unethical idiot that you actually are.

    It actually doesn’t matter if you think you were “pranking”, or if you were serious.

    Because EITHER case say EXACTLY THE SAME THING about your character, or pitiful lack thereof.

    Nothing is more revealing that what someone does when he thinks he is completely free.

  143. Amphiox says

    Did anyone before me ever gave you guys so many opportunities

    Don’t flatter yourself, you arrogant buffoon.

    You are just one in a long line of cookie cutter liars, haters, and idiots. Not a single thing you did or said here was in any way original, in any way not instantly recognizable as just another one of the standard troll tricks that previous trolls have already tried.

    Your kind of petty, banal stupidity and evil is the most mundane and boring sort of all.

  144. Tony says

    #60:

    I would at least think a Science Lecturer, who has a position in a respectable university, would get his facts right before posting silly caricatures to an impressionable body of young university students.

    Whoa.
    Hold up.
    Stop the presses.
    FACTS?
    Did I miss an inter FTB memo, a CNN news special or something? I mean the revelation that there are facts to support the Bible would be monumental. Even more astounding, if I interpreted that post correctly, there appears to be documented, incontrovertible proof of what Jesus looked like. I wonder how that could happen, given that the guy lived so long ago, and we have no reliable eyewitness documentation. This could change the world. Or at least a lot of churches and chapels around the planet if Jesus isn’t white…

  145. Amphiox says

    By the way, there was no master plan.

    We knew from the very beginning that you lacked the mental capacity to come up with any such thing.

    All was and still is spontaneous and instinctual.

    Which makes it all the more revealing of just how pathetic an excuse for a human being you actually are.

  146. Ariaflame, BSc, BF, PhD says

    By the way, there was no master plan. All was and still is spontaneous and instinctual.

    Ahh, I see, so you really don’t actually use your brain for any of this. I think folks that boring troll is boring and it will make it a lot easier to catch up on TZT with silly, boring raj in the killfile.

    You can fap a reply if you want raj, but since I won’t be seeing it, it will be like masturbation. Which will be nothing new to you.

  147. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    By the way, there was no master plan. All was and still is spontaneous and instinctual.

    The tl;dr version = ‘I’m too dumb to live.’

  148. says

    Sally:

    It was a turtle tattoo on her neck

    Oooh, I approve. My turtle tattoo is on my right wrist. I get compliments on it all the time. Eventually, I’d like different turtles all the way up my arm. Turtles all the way down and all that. After reading Science Ink, though, there’s a whole batch of science related tats I’d love to have done.

    Lyn M:

    The tl;dr version = ‘I’m too dumb to live.’

    Pity it’s not dumb enough to stop breathing.

  149. ibyea says

    @rajkumar
    Err, why would anyone think you had a master plan? It seemed like your usual idiotic trolling.

  150. Tony says

    Ogborvis:

    Could you please reconcile your observations about the male human’s reaction to female human’s breasts (and that reaction being proof of gods) and the large number of cultures in human history in which female humans going topless, or with breasts fully exposed in other ways, was normal?

    Ok, I haven’t been following this. Do I even *want* to know these observations? Or is that dark and scary territory?
    Does rajkumar think that the arousal *some* human males have to women’s breasts = god?
    If so, I wonder what that means for gay men that don’t have a reaction to women’s breasts (I’ve certainly never been aroused by them). Or, for that matter, the gay men that have the *opposite* reaction to women’s breasts. I would think the lack of a reaction from the penis of a gay man would just as likely be proof that god *doesn’t* exist. Can’t the poor argument go either way?
    What about those who are blind or have difficulty seeing?
    What about men with erectile problems?
    What about men that don’t get aroused by breasts, but *are* heterosexual?
    And is the reaction dependent on sight?
    Do tactile sensations bring about a reaction?
    Is it a combination of the two?

  151. says

    I’ve spent two days ripping my studio apart, rearranging and cleaning. The rats, not happy. At all.

    The Rat Report: Chas was out and about today, laying pee trails and Rubin Plinge* and Esme were spotted. After being talked to, soothed and bribed with chocolate Ensure, tea, peanut butter, nutella, fresh salad and fresh crunchies, they allowed me to show them the Special Spots™ I made for them (one super sekrit hiding nest to stash stolen goods, a ladder, specifically not cleaned leading up to a couple of my worktables, etc.), they are now running about wreaking havoc and general mischievousness.

    *Rubin is now Rubin Plinge, having a fair amount in common with Walter Plinge**. Much like Walter, during ‘daylight’ hours (read: when the lights are on and I’m busy in the studio), Rubin is spooky, stilted and shy. However, when the lights are out (or low), he becomes The Phantom of the Studio, The Dark Scamperer™!
    **A character in the Discworld novel Maskerade.

    X-posted on TET.

  152. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    @ Caine

    Pity it’s not dumb enough to stop breathing.

    When you consider that stuff in the bottom of stagnant ponds still manages to live, it suggests it isn’t likely. Damn it.

  153. Tony says

    theophontes:

    trolling is not technically a bannable offence on TZT. It is the one place where the trolls can have their say.

    Ah, I was a little confused by TZT vs the Endless Thread. I had thought they served the same function, but I see this is where PZ keeps the trolls. Do Myers’ Mindless Minions* feed them regularly? Would hate to come in one day and they’re all shriveled up.

    *MMM is a joke for those that can’t figure it out. The idea that Pharyngulites are mindless drones that follow PZ’s orders is stupid.

  154. says

    Ahh, I see, so you really don’t actually use your brain for any of this. I think folks that boring troll is boring and it will make it a lot easier to catch up on TZT with silly, boring raj in the killfile.

    You have hit the nail right on the head.

    Let me give you an example: You have a turbo-charged AMG and you are driving leisurely on a free way, but an annoying dude in his new **Suzuki Sports**, the one which he got from his dad on his 18th birthday, keeps challenging you into a race. You accept the challenge … but do you need to turn on the turbochargers on your AMG for that dude’s Suzuki? No. All you have to do is, gently push the accelerator about 1/2 cm every time that annoying dude gets close to you and thinks he is about the win the race. Give him some lead and then wait for him to get close to you again. Keep doing this until he is able to discern the difference between a turbo-charged AMG and a Suzuki Sports.

    Same principle here.

  155. Tony says

    Tits. Boobies.

    Didn’t we do this already?

    Yes, please.
    Can someone throw the gay men a bone?

  156. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    Same principle here.

    = Still too dumb to live, and proud of it.

  157. Tony says

    I need help here. I guess I’m a little too high right now, but I can’t comprehend the fapwit’s post @222.

  158. says

    I need help here. I guess I’m a little too high right now, but I can’t comprehend the fapwit’s post @222.

    Maybe ask John Morales for a little help, provided he has finished visualizing what comes out of Tim Robbins’ backside when he goes through a bout of diarrhoea.

  159. Hurinomyces bruxellensis says

    The moment I was moved into this thread, I had switched into the prank mode.

    How very clever of you. You were clearly only pretending to have no idea what you were talking about*. Tell me again raj, what is peer review? Who should be “reading the reviews”? You are so damn clever you kill me…

    *see number 1 and also number 6

  160. says

    How very clever of you. You were clearly only pretending to have no idea what you were talking about*. Tell me again raj, what is peer review? Who should be “reading the reviews”? You are so damn clever you kill me…

    *see number 1 and also number 6

    No, me not clever. It’s you people who are super dumb.

  161. ibyea says

    @Tony
    If I am right, and I don’t know if I am right, since his writing sucks so much, it is him pretty much being smug. He thinks he is edging out on everyone in some imaginary race in his mind. Poor deluded soul.

  162. ibyea says

    @rajkumar
    So we are the dumb one when you can’t even bother to answer his question or read anyone’s links? My irony meter just shorted, man.

  163. says

    So we are the dumb one when you can’t even bother to answer his question or read anyone’s links? My irony meter just shorted, man.

    Well, maybe your ‘stupidity meter’ still has plenty of muscle left to it if you are still wondering about these things. What’s the reading on it?

  164. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    @ Hurinomyces bruxellensis

    Awesome link. Close to a bingo card for fapsters.

  165. Hurinomyces bruxellensis says

    From the link…

    1) Winning by loosing
    However badly you have disproven or embarrassed this person, it turns out that it was all part of their master plan to get a rise out of you, to prove some kind of point they can’t seem to explain. They honestly seem to think that despite flailing uselessly in making their original argument, they are smooth enough to convince everyone that they are a master puppeteer, pulling everyone’s strings.

    […]

    The important thing to remember is that you are dealing with a person who has essentially placed a twig on their head and expects you to believe they are a tree. Armored in that level of “confidence,” almost anything you say will be construed by them as evidence that their tree disguise is working, so you will have to be very specific and to the point in addressing exactly what they’re doing and why it’s not fooling anyone.

    Subtlety and sarcasm are great tools but there is no way in hell they will get through to this poor sap. Unless you’re just toying with them for your amusement, the best way to put an end to it is just to be direct. Point them to this guide if necessary, explain that you know what they are doing, and that it is so obvious it can be seen from space.

    Chances are they will just end up placing more twigs on their head, praying fervently that this will succeed, but at least you gave it your best shot.

    Read more: Internet Argument Techniques | Cracked.com http://www.cracked.com/funny-3809-internet-argument-techniques/#ixzz1w8z2rbuq

    Keep going with the twigs Raj. No one here is confused about what you are trying to do. Its pretty sad really.

  166. anteprepro says

    That’s aside the point, ibyea. We are dumb for taking him seriously. He is smart because he “fooled” us into believing he is dumb based on dumb comments he is retroactively claiming were dumb on purpose. Not reading links and not answering questions was all part of his fun and games routine of pretending to be an idiot. Which he clearly isn’t. Obviously, he wouldn’t have been confined to the Zombie Thread in the first place if he was an idiot when he was posting seriously (oh, wait…).

  167. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    Well, maybe your ‘stupidity meter’ still has plenty of muscle left to it if you are still wondering about these things. What’s the reading on it?

    Sorry, fapping fapper, you broke it.

  168. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    Question:

    Which is worse? An idiot or a faux idiot idiot?

  169. says

    I am not saying I am smart or clever. I am just saying that you people are super dumb, you have to be, for taking me seriously after I was moved to Zombie Thread. All you have to say is you never took me seriously, too, and we are even. Or, whatever positions you may want to hold.

    Well, I think I should be going now … this time it is me who is getting bored to death. If only I could share John’s Morales visuals with him…

    Keep asking more questions… and I may even keep replying for as long as possible.

  170. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    @ Hurinomyces bruxellensis

    Guy, totally ripped it and have it forwarded to half my friends. Very funny and right on the money.

  171. mikmik says

    As your vehicle choice indicates, raj, you mistake noise for intelligence, you mistake flash for substance, attention for admiration:

    The need for attention

    Human beings are social creatures and need social interaction, feedback, and validation of their worth. The emotionally mature person doesn’t need to go hunting for these; they gain it naturally from their daily life, especially from their work and from stable relationships. Daniel Goleman calls emotional maturity emotional intelligence, or EQ; he believes, and I agree, that EQ is a much better indicator of a person’s character and value than intelligence quotient, or IQ.

    The emotionally immature person, however, has low levels of self-esteem and self-confidence and consequently feels insecure; to counter these feelings of insecurity they will spend a large proportion of their lives creating situations in which they become the centre of attention. It may be that the need for attention is inversely proportional to emotional maturity, therefore anyone indulging in attention-seeking behaviours is telling you how emotionally immature they are.

    Attention-seeking behaviour is surprisingly common. Being the centre of attention alleviates feelings of insecurity and inadequacy but the relief is temporary as the underlying problem remains unaddressed: low self-confidence and low self-esteem, and consequent low levels of self-worth and self-love. In males, it is often a compensation for an underdeveloped phallus.

    The three biggest lies: The cheque’s in the mail; I love you: I did that on purpose.

  172. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    Stale bagel to a chilled bottle of vintage Veuve Clicquot that Mr. Fappy does not stick the flounce.

    Takers?

  173. Hurinomyces bruxellensis says

    I am not saying I am smart or clever. I am just saying that you people are super dumb, you have to be, for taking me seriously after I was moved to Zombie Thread.

    Again:

    However badly you have disproven or embarrassed this person, it turns out that it was all part of their master plan to get a rise out of you, to prove some kind of point they can’t seem to explain. They honestly seem to think that despite flailing uselessly in making their original argument, they are smooth enough to convince everyone that they are a master puppeteer, pulling everyone’s strings.

    You are an idiot, and your shitty ‘just kidding’ routine doesn’t fool anyone.

  174. says

    You are an idiot, and your shitty ‘just kidding’ routine doesn’t fool anyone.

    No, not ‘just kidding’. It was more like countering your buffoonish acts with very sophisticated counter-buffoonery. You call that ‘just kidding’????

    Tell me, at what point, you or anyone in your herd, tried to sound or act serious or reasonable? Do you think I can’t pick humour when I see it? Note again, no one is trying to ‘win’ here. As far as I am concerned, all of you put get efforts in being the excellent clowns that you were/are, and that takes great courage, strength and energy.

  175. mikmik says

    [SIK uh funt] Yes, I had to look this word up:

    A servile flatterer; to flatter or attend to with servility from interested motives; to play the servile dependant; to pay deference from interested motives; servile dependant or parasite; one who flatters or kisses up to others to gain their favor; yes-men; boot-licker; fawner; groveler; toady; flunky; parasite; and a few more definitions not suitable for general publication.

  176. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    No, not ‘just kidding’. It was more like countering your buffoonish acts with very sophisticated counter-buffoonery. You call that ‘just kidding’????

    Um, no. No, he wasn’t. That would be you in your previous posts.

  177. theophontes 777 says

    {enter theophontes, stage left. sees louis‘s tire-marked hat}

    *sniff* :'(

    {a wave of guilt flows over the ebil tardigrade for trying to throw louis under a short bus.}

    o_O

    .

    O_o

    .

    {surreptitiously throws hat into a nearby bin}

    *whistles*

    ….

    @ Tony

    Welcome to TZT.

    Ah, I was a little confused by TZT vs the Endless Thread.

    TZT is a deserted, post apocalyptic wasteland compared to TET. (It just needs a little inward investment and we’ll have it right in no time.)

  178. Aquaria says

    You know, most of us caught on to the Pee Wee Herman “I meant to do that” lame excuse in, oh, second grade. That’s why a comedian who made a name for himself playing an overgrown 8 year old boy made it a tag line–because only an 8 year old would think it would fly.

  179. Tony says

    “Cocktopus” sounds like the name of a creature that gets first billing in an Asylum movie…
    I likes it!

  180. anteprepro says

    I am just saying that you people are super dumb, you have to be, for taking me seriously after I was moved to Zombie Thread.

    You know, I am a nice person. Because I by this argument so completely, I decided to thoroughly document just how obviously great of a commenter before you decided to slack off and become a hilarious prankster in the TZT. Just to make it clear to everyone here that they were suckers for believing that you could ever be stupid enough to argue the way you have here. I mean, seriously, how could they be so Super Dumb? You were obviously acting completely out of character with what we already seen from you.

    Anyway, behold: Rajkumar’s incredibly serious wit and wisdom, outside of TZT :

    On Scholasticism:

    I already told you why I didn’t read that paper. I don’t like reading philosophy. If you don’t mind, you can still explain what’s in that paper in your own words.

    On science being so open-minded its brain fell out:

    Science is open to **any** concept pending proper evidence, even if it means concepts that contradict atheism, right? Are atheists open to this possibility? If they are, how they could possibly use science as a weapon to kill god? And if they are not, they are simply using science as a promoting tool for their atheism. This is why I objected.

    On being a rebel:

    Oh I am sorry. I didn’t know how any criticism of the amazing PZ was not allowed here. What next? Do I get banned for posting the objection? You are the xpert…. tell me

    On “Just Leave Me Alone!”:

    OK. Thanks for the Info. Basically, it was a discussion between Kel and I, not you and I. And I don’t have to read anything I don’t like, and insisting that I should just because someone has cited it, and because these are the rules here, is actually what is tiresome and rude .

    On “That’s Just, Like, Your Opinion, Man”:

    What exactly is an ‘evidenced idea’, Nerd? I thought ideas happened first, and then those ideas were substantiated with evidence. This is why I have already told you many times, why asking for evidence at this stage is simply irrelevant. This is just a discussion about an idea, and no one is saying it is an idea that can be backed by evidence. Maybe it can’t be, maybe it can be. Are you not even open to a discussion?

    On “Sure, Christianity’s stupid, but how ’bout the beliefs of other religions I will not specify anything about?”:

    This is what I said in one of my previous posts today. You only talk to a select group of people. Have you ever spoken to a Zen monk, or a Hindu monk, or a Buddhist monk, or a Sufi Dervish, or a Shaman, on this God issue?

    On Sophisticated Theology/Binary Thinking:

    They generally equate God in its original form with ‘non-being’. They talk about polar opposites to explain the concept of God. Such as up/down, right/left, black/white, and being/non-being. To understand the concept of God from their standpoint, you need to first have a concept of polar opposites. Do you know them? Such as atheism/theism?

    On Transcendence (i.e. Getting High)

    We need to increase our awareness, or ‘raise our consciousness’. Sam Harris would know a lot about this stuff, as he claims he has spent a lot of time with great mystics of the East. And once while under the influence of LSD, or some similar mind altering substance, he claims to have merged with a redwood tree in an ‘ego less eternal communion’. Yes, this oneness that he experienced, according to Zen Monks, was an experience of God in one of its infinite forms. Of course, we do not need drugs to get there. They recommend different forms of meditations.

    On Neuroscience, and Its Subservience to MAGIC:

    Yes. It is so easy to describe these states as ‘our brain doing amazing things’, but that doesn’t really explain anything at all, does it? If you ask me, it actually creates more confusions. It is like is describing every event in the universe as ‘atoms doing amazing things’, which is true, but still doesn’t explain anything.

    On “Bravely Accepting the Truth, Wherever You Find It”:

    I have a simple plan. I will address only those who didn’t take a philosophy major. In other words, everyday people.

    On Self (i.e. Wankery):

    “The perception we have of a unified consciousness is an illusion”????

    Again you are making a mistake. A BIG one. There is no one to perceive here, dear. You have already lost yourself in this ‘unified field of consciousness’. There is no “you” any more. So, again, who is the one experiencing or perceiving when you have no ego self left?

    On “I’m Totally Not Misogynistic, You Guys”:

    As for John Marales, assuming he is a man, he acted like a one little pussy last night. If anything, he only screwed up your position….

    And just a little clarification note on the usage of the word ‘pussy’ here: “5. Slang A man regarded as weak, timid, or unmanly.”

    Again, assuming this character John Morales is a man, this ‘little pussy’ title fits him perfectly. Nothing to do with being sexist or not. For those of you who started jumping up and down, and bouncing around.

    On “Pay No Attention to the People Who Actually Believe This Shit Behind the Curtain”:

    But there is something that you should look into. If you do not believe God exists, which you don’t being an atheist, then you can’t define God. If you can’t define God, then you have no clue what God is like, or God’s characteristics. If you have no clue what God is like, then you’re not going to recognize God when you will be presented with evidence.

    On Entries from The Rajiam-Kumster Dictionary:

    This subjective experience CANNOT be defined, it can only be had — you idiot. And this is how God can be defined. Something that CANNOT Be defined, but can be experienced subjectively if certain conditions are met. This is based on the testimonies of thousand upon thousands of people. I know this doesn’t rhyme with your atheism, but that’s fine, because your atheism has nothing to do with science.

    On Sexual Thrills:

    By the way, I am kind of used to getting banned. In fact, maybe the reason I keep coming back is because I want to get banned. So, nothing unusual for me. In fact, I wouldn’t mind PZ removing all of my comments here, if they are just ‘too obnoxious’ for you highly civilized people

    AND MOAR :

    On Mutually Exclusive Belief Systems:

    Dawkins called himself both an atheist and an agnostic. So, it is like, he is an atheist most of the time, but he turns himself into an agnostic when he runs out of arguments? And he says he cares passionately about the truth? What truth?? He invented his own scale, and now he moves right and left on his own scale. Who can possibly have a reasonable argument with such a person?

    On CdesIntelligence Advocacynentism :

    The laws of physics…. How does the universe have laws that work with microscopic precision? Laws that work with such astonishing precision, can we call these laws some intelligence at work? Not a separate intelligence that is controlling these laws, but the laws themselves being a part of some larger intelligence? Don’t get too upset. I am just asking a question. And believe me, my questions have nothing to do with intelligent design or creationism.

    On Intelligent Falling:

    Seriously, I am not talking about any supernatural phenomenon here. I am just asking if these physical laws, the ones that Newton discovered and then bought a patent on them, could be called ‘intelligent physical laws’, since they work with such amazing precision and accuracy. Like, the laws know how to assemble atoms into molecules. No supernatural, no woo, no ghost, no soul, no God.

    On Definitions, And Like Coming from Like:

    But if I have to get a start, let’s look at human intelligence. We know what it is, don’t we? But where did this intelligence come from? Through billion of years of evolution? Enlarge your perspective. Where is this evolution taking place? In the universe, right? So, we may say, the universe as some greater intelligence has created some lower form of intelligence in humans. What do I mean by intelligence? Intelligence is something that can create more intelligence through its own intelligence. For example, the universal intelligence can create human intelligence, and the human intelligence can create artificial intelligence, and the artificial intelligence can … maybe some time in the future … create more intelligence. We humans have intelligence, but where did this intelligence come from? Intelligence cannot come from no where, and it must come through some greater intelligence. That’s the idea.

    On Informed Discussion and Evolving Evolutions:

    What’s bottom-up design, in simple words?…[Gets Answer]
    Thanks for calling that simple. But life isn’t simple I guess…. Evolutionary theory, could itself be a part of some larger evolution? For example, evolution that produced life on earth, is part of some universal evolution, and the universal evolution could itself be a part of some larger evolution, and up to ad infinitude?

    There is such a profound and stark difference between the clowning around of Rajkumar in the TZT and the enlightened, intellectual arguments he made before he was locked in here. Yep. He sure got all of us. He’s not a moron, at all .

  181. Louis says

    I AM BACK! Your attempt to throw me under the bus, Theophontes, failed. Mwah ha ha!

    Some Things:

    1) Lyn M: Someone trying to be an idiot is worse than an idiot. Everyone in the world is an idiot from time to time, there’s no need to make effort. We are adequately supplied! Also, no bet! But good choice of champagne.

    2) Raj is fucking with us? I am shocked. Shocked I tell you. It’s almost like I was taking him seriously. Oh wait. Nope, don’t think I ever did! Woot! Anyway, I’m actually glad Raj has been fucking with us. Yup you read that right, I’m pleased. Good on you Raj. After all it would be a terrible shame for you to derive no pleasure from all that public masturbation.

    3) There is no third thing. Look away. DON’T LOOK AT ME!!!!!

    4) Tony at #223, fed up of boobies and tits, begs us to throw him a bone. Tony, no problem. Here is a picture of my massive cock. It’s mostly pink with a little bit of blue and purple on its head. Hope this helps.

    5) Lastly, Raj, whilst I am positively priapic with glee that you are gaining some pleasure here, just remember if you play with it too much, you can go blind.

    Good day all.

    {Doffs cap}

    Louis

  182. Louis says

    Alethea,

    NICE! I am a big fan of {ahem} “transitional forms” if you catch my drift.

    Louis

  183. Louis says

    Sally Strange, #172,

    I have examined that photo for the last twelve or so hours and I can tell you that I have one conclusion:

    1) Keep the bra on. Global destruction is very likely should the Uber Breastseses of Destruction be freed. Think of the children, why won’t someone PLEASE think of the children.

    2) Nice tattoo, I am something of a fan of tattoos in general. I have a couple, but I am a big wuss, they are well hidden to allow me to pass as One of the Normal Folks. I know, I’m a coward.

    3) I fear you have set a terrible precedent. Will there now be an elite cadre of Horde members who have the bravery to show off parts of themselves totally random people off the web? It’s a high bar to set, and I look forward to the results.

    Louis

  184. says

    There is such a profound and stark difference between the clowning around of Rajkumar in the TZT and the enlightened, intellectual arguments he made before he was locked in here. Yep. He sure got all of us. He’s not a moron, at all .

    You haven’t posted all of my comments. Only select bits and pieces from and there. Post them all complete with date, time and proper context, to validate your point.

  185. anteprepro says

    You haven’t posted all of my comments. Only select bits and pieces from and there. Post them all complete with date, time and proper context, to validate your point.

    Make me, Mr. Jingles. Seltzer and coconut cream pies don’t work on me!

  186. says

    Make me, Mr. Jingles. Seltzer and coconut cream pies don’t work on me!

    Apparently it does. Why else would you indulge is useless and energy-draining ventures, such as your last comment?

  187. anteprepro says

    I can easily say, ‘you have taken my comments out of context’.

    Yes, you could easily say that. If it were actually true, you could prove it. But that’s never stopped a moron like yourself from whining “out of context” before. It is the last ditch effort for the person who has got nowhere to run. I mean, aside from conjuring up the spirit of Krusty the Klown:

    “It’s a joke ! Whenever you look at me like that, it’s a joke!”

  188. anteprepro says

    Apparently it does. Why else would you indulge is useless and energy-draining ventures, such as your last comment?

    Reading and using cut and paste is hard labor for you, I’m sure. It’s not so hard for those of us who are “super dumb,” however. Make the honking noise!

  189. says

    Yes, you could easily say that. If it were actually true, you could prove it. But that’s never stopped a moron like yourself from whining “out of context” before. It is the last ditch effort for the person who has got nowhere to run. I mean, aside from conjuring up the spirit of Krusty the Klown:

    Yes. I have nowhere to hide. And this is precisely why all of you have been constantly threatening me with the ban hammer, and asking me to leave.

  190. Louis says

    Alethea,

    True, true. Especially in my mixed race case! TMI?

    I was however, alluding to the (NSFW) song by Ivor Biggun I linked.

    Louis

  191. says

    Ok. Not all you. But MANY of you. Were you one of them who wanted me to leave and threatened me with the ban hammer?

  192. says

    By the way, I am still here. Not trying to hide. But MANY of are still using the same old tricks i.e., the ban hammer, ignore me, blah blah

  193. anteprepro says

    But MANY of you. Were you one of them who wanted me to leave and threatened me with the ban hammer?

    I am pretty sure there aren’t many of me, no. I may not have threatened you with the ban hammer, but I would greatly prefer it if you were a mime.

  194. Louis says

    Raj,

    Have I threatened you with the banhammer and/or asked you to leave?

    If not, could you please be a little more careful with your “alls”. I fear that I am not alone.

    Whilst many here, myself included, are united on the issue of the fact that you are a rather dull and boring troll who is not quite as amusing or smart as he appears to think he is, but on other issues, we’re pretty diverse. Some of us even disagree with PZ about stuff! Shocking I know.

    I think you need a new schtick. Seriously, why waste the effort of hanging around here regurgitating the old material, come on, man! You can do better than that. Try harder.

    Louis

  195. says

    I am pretty sure there aren’t many of me, no. I may not have threatened you with the ban hammer, but I would greatly prefer it if you were a mime.

    In that case, ‘I have no where to run’ doesn’t apply to me, because it’s you who wants me to stop talking — if this is what you mean by being a ‘mime’. Correct?

  196. says

    Have I threatened you with the banhammer and/or asked you to leave?

    Louise, I really have no idea. Imagine being in my spot. One man versus a herd of wild four-legged beasts, and you’d really be able to appreciate my situation. I can’t tell. I was, still am, talking to many of you.

    But I did change ‘ALL’ to ‘MANY’ in comment 272…

  197. says

    OK. I lied about shifting myself into the ‘prank mode’. Not a total lie, because it was really a on/off thing.

    But that last one about ‘divine breasts’, I had no idea some of would take that seriously.

  198. anteprepro says

    I want you to stop talking for the same reason I would want children to stop yelling, an inane talk show to get over, or a horrible band to stop playing. To spare myself the pain of hearing that shit. You being too stupid to reason yourself out of a paper bag is completely consistent with you being a noisy nuisance. A poor source for entertainment. Insufficiently squeaky. Refuses to make honking noise and relies entirely on doing impressions of smarter people. Booooooring. Mom should’ve hired Bozo instead.

    Also: I demand balloon animals.

  199. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    Further adventures in makes-no-sense-and-is-proud-of-it land

    In that case, ‘I have no where to run’ doesn’t apply to me, because it’s you who wants me to stop talking — if this is what you mean by being a ‘mime’. Correct?

  200. says

    I want you to stop talking for the same reason I would want children to stop yelling, an inane talk show to get over, or a horrible band to stop playing. To spare myself the pain of hearing that shit. You being too stupid to reason yourself out of a paper bag is completely consistent with you being a noisy nuisance. A poor source for entertainment. Insufficiently squeaky. Refuses to make honking noise and relies entirely on doing impressions of smarter people. Booooooring. Mom should’ve hired Bozo instead.

    OK. First thing, employ some originality. You are repeating the same stuff many of you have repeated already — many times. Second, and more importantly, whatever your reasons are, don’t say ‘I have no where to run’, because it is you who wants to get rid of me, not vice versa. I am still here.

  201. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    Louis, yes, it is a nice champagne. Murder to get here in sunny China, but I do manage.

    Funnels some through a USB port

    There you go!

  202. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    I am crushed, simply crushed that I have to leave for awhile. Good luck all super dummies.

  203. Louis says

    Lyn M,

    {Receives USB Veuve Cliquot}

    MMMM thanks. Good way to start the day. China? I envy you! I am mad about many things Chinese! I’d be on the rice wine like a beast!

    {Emails Lyn a case of Veuve Cliquot “Grand Dame”, my favourite}

    Louis

  204. anteprepro says

    First thing, employ some originality. You are repeating the same stuff many of you have repeated already — many times.

    Iiiiiiiirony. Maybe you still got some comedic appeal after all.

    Second, and more importantly, whatever your reasons are, don’t say ‘I have no where to run’, because it is you who wants to get rid of me, not vice versa.

    Well, I’m glad you don’t want to get rid of me. That’s a poor way to run a business. We paid you for the hour, afterall, and you’re the one getting money for hanging around, not me. But, seriously, this is getting dull. Can you at least do a card trick or something? I’m beginning to think that we hired Pagliacci for a birthday party, and I am disappoint. Though, I suppose it could be worse. You could be a Juggalo. *shudder*

    Anyway, unlike a certain comedic genius who will remain nameless, I can actually stick a flounce. Ta ta. Don’t get too frothy there, BoJangles.

  205. Louis says

    Raj,

    You did change “all” to “many” as I was posting. Well done you, here, have a biscuit.

    The “Raj vs the world” act, old. New schtick, please. You came to a rationalist website, made some outlandish claims, provided no evidence and little reasoning and you are SURPRISED people leapt on you and gave you a verbal arse whooping?

    Your butthurt: get over it.

    Do dry up, old fruit. You never know, you might actually have a pleasant conversation here if you can attempt to learn something rather than “HURP DURP I WUZ ONLI JOHKIN” after a tirade of what appears to be marijuana inspired ramblings about “whoa the universe is all one, man, it’s aliiiiive”.

    Dude, many of us have been there. We’ve taken the drugs, communicated with the great one vibration of the universe, felt at one with everything, looked at our hand and I mean really looked at our hand, and then we’ve come down and realised that five dried grams of psilocybin mushrooms was probably a bit much after two days in an Amsterdam “coffee” shop solidly smoking the best White Widow money can buy.

    We’ve also realised that the majority of what went on in our heads whilst unbearably whooped was utter bullshit. It’s okay, it didn’t make the next time any less fun!

    Louis

  206. says

    Someone trying to be an idiot is worse than an idiot. Everyone in the world is an idiot from time to time, there’s no need to make effort. We are adequately supplied!

    I totally agree, Louis! This is also why I hate so-called “devil’s advocates”–as if there were a shortage of devils in the world. Do you really want to advocate for them? It’s not as bad if they announce it beforehand, for educational purposes, but still.

    And really, what does a person get from a pretense of stupidity. Umm, congratulations, you tricked people into thinking you’re stupid. The big reveal–haha! I’m not as stupid as you thought I was! Okay, champ. You got everyone real good. Now what? Are we supposed to fall down in awe at the amazing feat of mimicking stupidity? That’s actually not super difficult to accomplish. That’s why it’s called stupidity.

    Of course in Raj’s case, “mimicking stupidity” is impossible to distinguish from him just being himself, as Anteprepro demonstrated, so it’s a moot point for him.

    But that last one about ‘divine breasts’, I had no idea some of would take that seriously.

    Yes, it seems entirely beyond you, the idea that someone would take anything you say seriously. Thing is, when people take what you say seriously, you have to think about it, what it means, why you said it, whether you really believe what you said, etc. This is what responsible, intellectually honest people do as a matter of course. That it surprises you is indicative of your failure. Failure of imagination, failure of critical thinking, and failure of basic decency.

  207. says

    Dude, many of us have been there. We’ve taken the drugs, communicated with the great one vibration of the universe, felt at one with everything, looked at our hand and I mean really looked at our hand, and then we’ve come down and realised that five dried grams of psilocybin mushrooms was probably a bit much after two days in an Amsterdam “coffee” shop solidly smoking the best White Widow money can buy.

    Seriously, I don’t understand the point (if there is a point) that you are trying to make here. That you are a avid drug user, and you know a lot about drugs? What does that prove? That you know how to control your behaviour, and direct your mind, while you are tripping on drugs like LSD or Magic Mushrooms? One question: What usually happens when you take a strong hallucinogen? As in, do you control the drug for the most part, or the drug controls you for the most part of the trip?

  208. says

    Yes, it seems entirely beyond you, the idea that someone would take anything you say seriously. Thing is, when people take what you say seriously, you have to think about it, what it means, why you said it, whether you really believe what you said, etc. This is what responsible, intellectually honest people do as a matter of course. That it surprises you is indicative of your failure. Failure of imagination, failure of critical thinking, and failure of basic decency.

    Surprises me to see the above advice coming from someone who loves using colourful profanity and foul language from time to time. Someone talked about Basic Decency? For starters, basic decency requires you to use decent language.

  209. says

    Well, I’m glad you don’t want to get rid of me. That’s a poor way to run a business. We paid you for the hour, afterall, and you’re the one getting money for hanging around, not me. But, seriously, this is getting dull. Can you at least do a card trick or something? I’m beginning to think that we hired Pagliacci for a birthday party, and I am disappoint. Though, I suppose it could be worse. You could be a Juggalo. *shudder*

    This is what I mean. Shake your arm, then use your form, and show some originality. You are…

  210. Louis says

    Raj,

    The point was none of that. The point was even when “serious” your posts come across as those of someone who has taken their trip a little too seriously. I was, and try to grasp this, mocking you. You are, after all, eminently mockable.

    Learn to handle your high.

    Louis

    P.S. Oh and basic decency doesn’t start with decent language, it starts with honesty and treating the other interlocutors seriously. Language follows from that. Guess where you fail, Raj?

  211. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Yawn, fuckwitted Rajkumar still being a fuckwitted idjit? Rajkumar, you were never smarter than us, and never fooled anybody here one iota. We presented your foolishness and dishonesty to the world. You lost due to terminal stupidity, insipid and unevidenced ideas, and inability to see that you were in over your head. We and the world laughed AT YOU. And we still do with every stupid post you make, which is all of them.

  212. says

    The point was none of that. The point was even when “serious” your posts come across as those of someone who has taken their trip a little too seriously. I was, and try to grasp this, mocking you. You are, after all, eminently mockable.

    Learn to handle your high.

    Glad you explained. However, your explanation is impossible to grasp, because I saw no such thing in your last post. All I saw was you doing some childish boasting about your illegal drug activities. That’s all. Now, possibly, trying to change the subject.

    P.S. Oh and basic decency doesn’t start with decent language, it starts with honesty and treating the other interlocutors seriously. Language follows from that. Guess where you fail, Raj?

    Probably when we learn to communicate with people telepathically, your strange explanation of ‘basic decency’ would start to make sense.

  213. says

    This is you pretending to be stupid again, right?

    If someone who tells you to use ‘decent language’ translates into stupidity in your mind, then yes.

  214. FossilFishy (Lobed-finned Killer of Threads) says

    Ah Raj, here’s hoping you never stick the flounce. Your entertainment value is beyond compare. Others might be bored with you, but so long as you provides the kind of LOLs like the following I’ll continue to have a soft spot for you:

    But that last one about ‘divine breasts’, I had no idea some of would take that seriously.

    The complete fapwitted lack of self awareness that it took to write that had me wiping the tears out of my eyes.

  215. says

    Yawn, fuckwitted Rajkumar still being a fuckwitted idjit? Rajkumar, you were never smarter than us, and never fooled anybody here one iota. We presented your foolishness and dishonesty to the world. You lost due to terminal stupidity, insipid and unevidenced ideas, and inability to see that you were in over your head. We and the world laughed AT YOU. And we still do with every stupid post you make, which is all of them.

    OK. But don’t tell me you didn’t masturbate to Michelle’s heavenly breasts? Do you know it’s quite a task to find bare breasts on Youtube, let alone such heavenly bare breasts?

  216. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    This is you pretending to be stupid again, right?

    If someone who tells you to use ‘decent language’ translates into stupidity in your mind, then yes.

    Oooooo, an admission.

  217. says

    No Louise, on the contrary, I am really tired now. So, I must go.

    Nerd, you asked for a link. I gave you one. Probably Alan Watts is far beyond your comprehension at the moment, but if he is, which seems likely, then just keep watching his many videos that are available on Youtube. Slowly, very slowly, you will start to get a handle on him and his philosophy.

  218. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Rajkumar, still lying and bullshitting to the world. One delusional fuckwitted fool, without intelligence, cogency, and any ideas with considering. Total and abject fool.

    Dance, fool, dance. Dance until you acknowledge your fuckwittery…

    And Nerd, did you see the Alan Watts video I linked at the start of this thread, just for you?

    Stupid question from a stupid fool, showing they are too stupid to read and comprehend what is posted to them. Look above, the answer hasn’t, and will never, change stupid fool.

  219. FossilFishy (Lobed-finned Killer of Threads) says

    Ah, come on Raj don’t go! I need the entertainment. I’m watching “Inside Nature’s Giants: Giraffes” so very, very cool but it lacks the humour value you provide.

  220. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    I think we should keep a flounce count. Run a pool on it. See if his flounce count exceeds his IQ.

  221. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    See if his flounce count exceeds his IQ.

    I think it already has. He flounces several times a day/session, and with a two digit IQ…

  222. Louis says

    Ohhhh Raj! At least make it FUN.

    Louis

    P.S. Lyn M, again, no bet. Flounce count is already > Raj’s IQ. I call shennanigans! ;-)

  223. says

    Wait, dammit, I fucked up! (<–oooo, bad word! I'm a sinner eh Raj? See, around here, it's the admission of error that counts–that's what gives you good character.)

    This is you pretending to be stupid again, right?

    If someone who tells you to use ‘decent language’ translates into stupidity in your mind, then yes.

    Raj DIDN’T say something he meant. If thinking that cussing means you’re not decent is stupid, then YES, as in, yes, Raj was pretending to be stupid.

    So, still stupid, but also still pretending to be stupid. But does the admission of pretense count as a gesture towards honesty? I can’t really parse the thoughts of someone as scatterbrained as Raj the misogynist. I don’t think so, but it’s hard to say.

    It’s a clusterfuck all around.

  224. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    *taps foot impatiently*

    Well, I thought somebody would bite, if only raj.

  225. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    Oh, and thank you for the champagne Louis. Must try it soon.

  226. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Raj may be a thick-skulled creepy lying perv, but let no one accuse him of laziness.

    I would accuse him of laziness. Too damn lazy to look up evidence to back up its inane ideas, then look up criticisms of said evidence. No harder than finding a YT video.

  227. jonmilne says

    There is no better method for ‘discerning truth’ than the scientific method. This is why I asked some people to read Gary Schwartz’s books. He is a scientist, and he is trying to prove the existence of God through following the scientific method, like a good old properly trained scientist. I know he’s got lots of critics, but he’s also got lots of supporters. Look at both sides when you make a judgement about his work.

    There’s just one big problem with all that, Raj. And it comes in the form of the bolded comment.

    On the one hand, you make the admission that nothing is more reliable than scientific testing, and yet the contradiction here is that Schwartz fails, at a minimum, at Stage 3, which as I pointed out was “submit for peer review”. Or, if he has done that, then there’s nothing to suggest he completed Stage 4, which was to “revise one’s claim”. He certainly didn’t pass Stage 5, which was “retesting it to submit it with a 10% chance of being published” – and I should add that means being published in a CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC JOURNAL.

    And even if, EVEN IF, he managed to do all that, there is, quite simply, no fucking way he EVER passed Stage 6, wherein “other scientists become vultures, and they (hoping to disprove) analyze your results for years, seeing if they get inconsistent results”, cause I will tell you this Raj: even without him passing Stages 3 through to 5, people who are trained in the real sciences have been picking apart his work for ages.

    Also note, to understand this God concept, you have to do some background study on what this God Concept actually is. Remember, we are NOT talking about God as some BEING, as described in religions like Christianity and Islam. If you have read most of my comments here, then you should know this.

    Would be that it were were it not for the fact that most of your posts here haven’t actually given a fully blown definition of what characteristics and traits your version of “God” is supposed to have. I have observed numerous people here give you many of the most common descriptions of what God tends to entail not just to people of the Abrahamic faiths, but also across many other cultures as well. I recognise that English doesn’t appear to be your first language, but if you’re not actually providing a definite definition of your God and what practical impact it has on the world as well as justifiable reasons for worshipping it, not to mention how we can actually reliably test as per the scientific process for the existence of your God.

    Indeed, I will post the Scientific Process, and it would be very helpful if after each point you show how your God claim passes each of these stages (so eg: “My God claim passes Stage 1 of the scientific process because…” and then likewise for Stages 2 through 8.

    I would greatly appreciate a response.

  228. jonmilne says

    Fuck, sorry, redoing my last post:

    There is no better method for ‘discerning truth’ than the scientific method. This is why I asked some people to read Gary Schwartz’s books. He is a scientist, and he is trying to prove the existence of God through following the scientific method, like a good old properly trained scientist. I know he’s got lots of critics, but he’s also got lots of supporters. Look at both sides when you make a judgement about his work.

    There’s just one big problem with all that, Raj. And it comes in the form of the bolded comment.

    On the one hand, you make the admission that nothing is more reliable than scientific testing, and yet the contradiction here is that Schwartz fails, at a minimum, at Stage 3, which as I pointed out was “submit for peer review”. Or, if he has done that, then there’s nothing to suggest he completed Stage 4, which was to “revise one’s claim”. He certainly didn’t pass Stage 5, which was “retesting it to submit it with a 10% chance of being published” – and I should add that means being published in a CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC JOURNAL.

    And even if, EVEN IF, he managed to do all that, there is, quite simply, no fucking way he EVER passed Stage 6, wherein “other scientists become vultures, and they (hoping to disprove) analyze your results for years, seeing if they get inconsistent results”, cause I will tell you this Raj: even without him passing Stages 3 through to 5, people who are trained in the real sciences have been picking apart his work for ages.

    Also note, to understand this God concept, you have to do some background study on what this God Concept actually is. Remember, we are NOT talking about God as some BEING, as described in religions like Christianity and Islam. If you have read most of my comments here, then you should know this.

    Would be that it were were it not for the fact that most of your posts here haven’t actually given a fully blown definition of what characteristics and traits your version of “God” is supposed to have. I have observed numerous people here give you many of the most common descriptions of what God tends to entail not just to people of the Abrahamic faiths, but also across many other cultures as well. I recognise that English doesn’t appear to be your first language, but if you’re not actually providing a definite definition of your God and what practical impact it has on the world as well as justifiable reasons for worshipping it, not to mention how we can actually reliably test as per the scientific process for the existence of your God.

    Indeed, I will post the Scientific Process, and it would be very helpful if after each point you show how your God claim passes each of these stages (so eg: “My God claim passes Stage 1 of the scientific process because…” and then likewise for Stages 2 through 8.

    I would greatly appreciate a response.

  229. says

    I would accuse him of laziness. Too damn lazy to look up evidence to back up its inane ideas, then look up criticisms of said evidence. No harder than finding a YT video.

    Sadly Nerd, it’s worse than laziness. It’s intellectual dishonesty and fear. Fear of having his dishonesty exposed. He doesn’t just not look for evidence. He actively avoids it. He puts effort into avoiding it.

  230. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    But don’t tell me you didn’t masturbate to Michelle’s heavenly breasts?

    How could I as, since you posted the link, and I never clicked on the link? I never click on links from fuckwitted trolls who think they are smarter than us, as some have linked to malware. If I wanted to see breasts, I could visit my wife, or there is this thing called porn on the internet. Only abject fools who think they are smarter than they really are play your silly and stupid game of “gottcha”, and at the end of the day, get nobody but themselves.

  231. vaiyt says

    I clicked the link. And no, I didn’t masturbate to it – it’s just a woman with bare breasts, nothing special. I find a bunch of those with almost every Google image search I do.

    Sincerely, the heavenliness of the aforementioned breasts (how about the REST of the woman, raj you dolt? are women just collections of body parts to you?) is up to the beholder’s subjective judgment.

  232. John Morales says

    Specimen:

    Do you even know how many times you have fallen victim to the pranks during your conversations with me?

    Why yes; you troll stupidly, your stupidity is addressed, you stupidly claim you were pranking.

    In short: we all know you are a chew-toy, and you like it.

  233. vaiyt says

    @raj:

    From our point of view, there’s no functional difference between an actual idiot and someone who acts just like an idiot to get a reaction from people.

  234. life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ says

    Alan Watts was a clever fellow:

    «The attractions of being a trickster guru are many. There is power and there is wealth, and still more the satisfactions of being an actor without need for a stage, who turns “real life” into a drama. It is not, furthermore, an illegal undertaking such as selling shares in non-existent corporations, impersonating a doctor, or falsifying checks. There are no recognized and official qualifications for being a guru, though now that some universities are offering courses in meditation and Kundalini Yoga it may soon be necessary to be a member of the U.S. Fraternity of Gurus. But a really fine trickster would get around all that by the one-upmanship of inventing an entirely new discipline outside and beyond all known forms of esoteric teaching. […]

    There are two schools of thought about asking for money for your services. One is to have fees just like a doctor, because people are embarrassed if they do not know just what is expected of them. The other, used by the real high-powered tricksters, is to do everything free with, however, the understanding that each student has been personally selected for his or her innate capacity for the work (call it that), and thus be careful not to admit anyone without first putting them through some sort of hazing. Monetary contributions will soon be offered. Otherwise, charge rather heavily, making it dear that the work is worth infinitely more to oneself and to others than, say, expensive surgery or a new home. Imply that you give most of it away to mysterious beneficiaries. […]

    On the one hand, you yourself must be utterly free from any form of religious or parapsychological superstition, lest some other trickster should outplay you. On the other hand, you must eventually come to believe in your own hoax, because this will give you ten times more nerve. This can be done through religionizing total skepticism to the point of basic incredulity about everything – even science.»

  235. Hurinomyces bruxellensis says

    Imagine being in my spot. One man versus a herd of wild four-legged beasts, and you’d really be able to appreciate my situation. I can’t tell. I was, still am, talking to many of you.

    The comments on this website are not emanating from some Borg-like alien intelligence, so the reason it seems like you vs. the horde is that a lot of us have read your comments, and independently concluded that you are an irritating pissant.

    It doesn’t have to be that way, if you don’t like it. If you would drop your “sophisticated counter-buffoonery” act, and try to learn things and discuss them in good faith, at least some of us would probably be interested in talking to you. The fact is a lot us have been criticized or dog-piled here before.

    If you don’t like being a laughing stock, but you don’t want learn or make intellectually honest comments, you could also consider leaving. Keep in mind that your decision to continue commenting here is your own.

    OK. But don’t tell me you didn’t masturbate to Michelle’s heavenly breasts? Do you know it’s quite a task to find bare breasts on Youtube, let alone such heavenly bare breasts?

    I wish it were easier to indicate pained facial expressions in a comment box.

    It has occurred to me that if I had decided to troll this place at age 13 the result might have looked something like this. How old are you Raj? If the honest answer is something preteen, maybe you should flounce for a few years and come back to us after you have finished puberty.

  236. Louis says

    Ryan,

    Un-nail yourself from the cross and grasp a sense of fucking perspective will you? You have been mocked by some people on the internet not “reviled”. Deal with the butthurt and grow a spine, or at least a notochord, for fuck’s sake, you’re making me ashamed to be British.

    Engage brain before posting, don’t straw man people’s arguments, pay attention to what people are actually saying and guess what? You’ll be treated like a long lost pal before you know it. Do the things you’ve been doing up until now? Mockery may ensue. Up to and including…..sarcasm.

    I know. Brutal. ;-)

    Louis

  237. Louis says

    Oh and trying to make yourself more popular by picking on someone you perceive to be less popular?

    Do you need me to point out just how contemptible that really is?

    Raj might be a dolt, but you don’t get a cookie for being less of a dolt than he is. Ohhhhhh all right, I’m a big softie, you get a cookie, but no tummy rub.

    Louis

  238. Louis says

    Consciousness Razor,

    You’re American right?* I wouldn’t sit too comfortably! We all have our countrypersons who we would rather…let us just say “could be blamed on some other bugger”. ;-)

    Louis

    * Even if you’re not, shitheads are universal!

  239. consciousness razor says

    Yes, I’m from the U.S., though I haven’t yet staked my flag in the rest of the Americas. We do have the moon, though, so that’s something.

  240. life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ says

    I’ve always felt sorry for Australians since they don’t know any better, but Britishness is a moral failing.

  241. mikmik says

    OK. But don’t tell me you didn’t masturbate to Michelle’s heavenly breasts?

    I didn’t masturbate to Michelle’s HB’s.

    I told you not to tell me!

    You’re one of those premature ejaculators, aren’t you?

    Do you know it’s quite a task to find bare breasts on Youtube, let alone such heavenly bare breasts?

    Is that going to be your convocation speech to the grade 6 boys class?

    Anyways, don’t worry about it. One day your parents will let you have your own computer and you can disable the Parental filters. And one day you may even have enough money to get a hooker to reveal her heavenly ta-tas, but don’t forget to wear a condom so you don’t soak the front of your trousers.

  242. Ariaflame, BSc, BF, PhD says

    Isn’t the moon where the space Nazis have the Helium 3 mines?

  243. A. R says

    OK, I’ve finished my exhaustive search of the Oxford English Dictionary for a word Misogyniraj understands. I’m afraid to say that our expectations were correct, he doesn’t understand any of them.

  244. says

    Louis:

    Will there now be an elite cadre of Horde members who have the bravery to show off parts of themselves totally random people off the web?

    Pfffffffft, I thought all the regulars here saw this photo of me a random stranger long ago. Why, I was even a youngster in ’07, I was 49! :D

  245. Louis says

    Caine,

    Well that was a first for me! Shows that I have been paying attention.

    {Nods seriously}

    Right, clearly I need to do something about this. Give me, say, 12 months to get into shape, another 12 months to get into a less comedy shape because the first 12 months will be spent getting proper fat on a diet of bacon and Guinness, and I shall festoon the internet with what can only be described as “ChatRoulette Friendly Hellos”!*

    Louis

    * Which as everyone knows is a tastefully arranged photographic or videographic representation of a gentleman’s carrots and peas. See also “soccer player’s calling card”. (Hat tip to this month’s Viz)

  246. Louis says

    LILIAPWL, #335,

    I will take many things but an assault on Britishness itself, sir, is…

    …actually quite reasonable.

    Mind you, you are An Septic.* Like I said, getting cocky about it isn’t really a very good idea.

    Louis

    * Septic Tank = Yank. Large, usually full of shit! ;-)

    FYI: Any word incorrectly preceded by “an” should be read aloud in a deep, booming Welsh voice reminiscent of that of an old rugby master of mine. For example: “Boy! You is running like an pregnant yak.** Get an fucking move on boy!”

    ** Substitute: girl, puff, nancy, wanker etc as (in)appropriate….oh yes, this was an individual of enormous enlightenment.

  247. Brownian says

    Right, clearly I need to do something about this. Give me, say, 12 months to get into shape, another 12 months to get into a less comedy shape because the first 12 months will be spent getting proper fat on a diet of bacon and Guinness, and I shall festoon the internet with what can only be described as “ChatRoulette Friendly Hellos”!*

    Oh, pfft, Louis. One does not need to be in good shape to take an erotic photo.

    Look at this photo of fine example of a random individual, probably taken six years and 15 extra pounds or so ago, when said individual was not in his best shape ever, though I’m just speculating, of course, as this individual is not personally known to me.

    Let me direct Rajkumar’s gaze downward, where a fold of the fabric seems to be accentuating a bit of biology and—yes, you see it now, and it cannot be unseen.

  248. opposablethumbs says

    ryanwilkinson, it’s true to say that you are nothing like raj (you are a human being as opposed to an excrescence) but this is setting the bar rather low. The thing to do about the “reviledness” you mention is not to post comments containing anything revolting (hint: as far as I can see, you’re not actually “reviled” – check out the difference between posters’ response to you and to raj; there is a difference. Several people have noted that you have the potential to stop being a dork; unlike excrescences like raj for whom being a dork would be something to aspire to but far, far beyond their reach. But you will probably continue to get hit vigorously with the rubber chicken unless you stop and read and read and read all over Pharyngula for a bit – if you’re interested in sticking around, of course.)

  249. life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ says

    I’d rather be full of shit than mushy peas!

    Did I misread, or aren’t you currently living in France — fleeing the scene of your birth crime?

  250. Louis says

    Brownian,

    Dear FSM! What have I started? Also…convenient fabric fold, liking it, liking it, it’s a good look on you a random individual.

    Louis

    P.S. I wonder if Raj will now entertain with a proof of god by magnificent man sausage?

    1) Ooooh look at this tumescent wonder.
    2) Therefore god.

  251. Louis says

    LILAPWL,

    This is true, shit is an improvement over mushy peas….just. Except as an accompaniment to fish and chips, where mushy peas are pretty good actually. Shit…not so much.

    I WISH I was living in France, sadly no. I have a French ancestor or two, but not there now. Was there many moons ago, but for the moment in good old Blighty with some proper ale and a steak and stilton pie.

    Louis

  252. life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ says

    Huh. Not sure how I got that notion. Nevertheless:

    I WISH I was living in France

    Clear indication of a guilty mind.

    Now I’m waiting to read shiloh’s research on reincarnation; then I can ascertain whether your Britishness was premeditated or a crime of passion.

  253. Louis says

    LILAPWL,

    Oh in my case it was definitely premeditated, deliberate and about 20 million pounds short and 50 years late. Ohhhh to be Bertie Wooster style Edwardian gentleman…

    Louis

  254. life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ says

    A full confession, then? At a minimum you’ll have to be confined to your island for the duration of Ms Windsor’s diamond jubilee, while you think about what you’ve done.

  255. opposablethumbs says

    The Jeeves & Wooster era, 1920s-30s or so, was possibly the most elegant in fashion and design terms the UK has ever seen – for the rich (and especially, though not solely, for the stick-thin rich) who had an army of serfs to clean and polish and iron for them, of course. But alas, Louis, I would have been too female and you (going by your own report, if I take you aright) too swarthy to be allowed into the Drones …

  256. opposablethumbs says

    for the duration of Ms Windsor’s diamond jubilee

    cruel and inhuman, lilapwl, cruel and inhuman. We’ve got to put up with that crap for weeks now.

  257. consciousness razor says

    A full confession, then?

    I just can’t believe he’s acting so flippantly about it, on Memorial Day, no less! Why do you hate the troops, Louis??

  258. Amphiox says

    there’s no functional difference between an actual idiot and someone who acts just like an idiot to get a reaction from people.

    The second is just a subset of the first.

    Anyone who thinks it is “funny” to act like an idiot just to get a reaction from people, IS an idiot.

  259. Amphiox says

    One man versus a herd of wild four-legged beasts, and you’d really be able to appreciate my situation.

    The fapwit got its metaphors reversed. It qualifies for the appelation “man” only in the loosest, taxonomic sense.

    You are repeating the same stuff many of you have repeated already — many times.

    And it will continue to be repeated, so long as it continues to remain the best and most appropriate reponse to the fapwit’s continuing fapwittery.

  260. says

    i want opposablethumbs to be my mentor

    You don’t need a mentor, you need to use your damn brain. Poor thing is damn near dead from a lack of exercise. Also, learn where your shift key is and how to use it.

  261. says

    Catcing up:
    mikmik:

    When I’m bad, I’m really, really bad, but when I’m good, I’m wicked.

    Ouch. That is one hell of a mangled quote!

    “When I’m good I’m very, very good, but when I’m bad, I’m better.”

    -Mae West

  262. Mr. Fire says

    Caine;

    I log in to Pharyngula for the first time in weeks and the first thing I see is that link to your spectacular anatomy which I totally don’t have bookmarked or anything.

  263. mikmik says

    @ Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel),

    Damn, did I ever. Thanks, because, it was bugging me. I almost wished I hadn’t posted it after I submitted and read it again!

  264. says

    Mr. Fire! Where ya been? My anatomy? No, no, we’re all posting links to random strangers on the intertubes. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

  265. opposablethumbs says

    Not a chance, ryan – for several reasons:
    first and foremost as Caine implied it’s about thinking for yourself; ain’t nobody can do that for you. I just recommend that if you’re interested in things that get discussed around here you should read a lot around the threads that interest you and really think about what you read (fwiw I and a lot of others read a hell of a lot more than we post; it may not be immediately obvious to all, but there is a lot to be learned around here. Like many people, I read and lurked for a while before dipping a toe in. I comment only occasionally, in the full and certain knowledge that there are people a lot smarter and with a lot more relevant experience/expertise than I who have something to say worth saying).
    .
    Secondly I’m just as likely as anyone and more so than many to get shit wrong.
    .
    Thirdly, just because I have an often-misguided inclination to give people the benefit of the doubt a lot of the time sure as hell doesn’t mean I’m necessarily right to do so, nor does it mean that other people who may appear to have a shorter fuse – i.e. those who cut to the chase – are necessarily wrong. In fact I’ve learned since I started hanging around here that more often than not they are right.
    .
    Shorter me: c’mon ryan, if you want to stick around then do – just read, maybe stick to lurking for a while, think before you post (more than you seemed to do on the previous thread when you came in) and be prepared to get very very vigorously apprised of the error of your ways if you say something dumb.

  266. Ogvorbis says

    Raj:

    Could you please reconcile your observations about the male human’s reaction to female human’s breasts (and that reaction being proof of gods) and the large number of cultures in human history in which female humans going topless, or with breasts fully exposed in other ways, was normal? Also, please explain males, such as myself, who are heterosexual but do not find Wife’s breasts the most arousing part of her. And, if you could, please include links to peer-reviewed literature which supports you assertions.

  267. Louis says

    Opposablethumbs,

    Ah yes, my swarthiness! Curse my diverse genetic background!

    But wait…It’s my fantasy!

    I would, for the sake of Wooster-ness, be ~20 million richer, born ~75 earlier and moderately less swarthy.

    Oh crap, think of all the money I’ll have to spend on sun cream now!

    Louis

  268. Louis says

    LILAPWL,

    I will go and sit in a remote corner of my island considering my many crimes until I’m really, really sorry.

    I might just find a quiet corner where all the Royalists have buggered off to London from, and occupy a surly republican stool at the bar and drink self condemnatory ales.

    And possibly consume the pickled egg of analysis and despond.

    Louis

  269. says

    Ryry:

    Fair enough. I’ll lurk.

    Jesus Christ. It’s about fucking time you figured that out.

    mikmik:

    Thanks, because, it was bugging me.

    No problem! That’s one of my fav celebrity quotes, so I just had to show of for a minute. :D

  270. says

    Caine:

    No, no, we’re all posting links to random strangers on the intertubes.

    You know, I might be able to find a pic of a pregnant lady with spectacular bosoms.

    If you all are good. Like a gift from Santa!

    *waves at Mr Fire!*

  271. Louis says

    I would like to point out at this juncture for no apparent reason and with no connection to anything at all that I have been very, very good. I even took out the recycling and vacuumed the domicile and did all the washing up, shopping and cooking AND took the day off for the sick Boy ANNNNND I don’t even want a cookie for it.

    That’s good I think.

    Louis

  272. Brownian says

    ANNNNND I don’t even want a cookie for it.

    And when you don’t want a cookie, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to not want cookies standing in the TET and in the TZT to be seen by Audley. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

  273. Ichthyic says

    ANNNNND I don’t even want a cookie for it.

    are you talking to us, or the wife?

  274. Ichthyic says

    Bertie Wooster

    Hugh Laurie sends you thumbs up as they break down the set for “House” the final time.

  275. says

    Audley:

    You know, I might be able to find a pic of a pregnant lady with spectacular bosoms.

    Ooooooooh. ♥

    here is a picture of a random person in a random sailboat during a random race to Bermuda.

    Oh, Captain! How did the latest race go?

  276. Louis says

    A cookie? From the WIFE?

    {Consults the magic eight ball}

    The outlook is not promising.

    Louis

  277. Louis says

    Stephen Fry is the best Jeeves ever. Period. Case closed. Full stop. I will brook no argument on the matter.

    Louis

  278. Brownian says

    during a random race to Bermuda.

    What’s a random race?

    “And now that the racers have all reached their assorted destinations, the winner shall have reached—[draws from a barrel]—Bermuda, at an average speed of—[draws from a different barrel]—8.3 knots!

    Congratulations to any winn—[pauses as an aide whispers in ear]—uh, no winner this year.

    Again.

    Good luck next year, everyone!”

  279. life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ says

    I will go and sit in a remote corner of my island considering my many crimes until I’m really, really sorry.

    I might just find a quiet corner where all the Royalists have buggered off to London from, and occupy a surly republican stool at the bar and drink self condemnatory ales.

    And possibly consume the pickled egg of analysis and despond.

    Alright, Louis, that sounds fair.

    But if you get so drunk that you forget why you’re drinking, then you have to start all over again.

  280. Mr. Fire says

    Caine: where have I been?

    It’s a long story, but it involves a sponge, a resurrected Ronald Reagan, the Vatican’s secret monkey army, copious amounts of drugs and tattoo that says “Louis was here” engraved on my left buttcheek that may contain the power to end all life on Earth as we know it.

    I swear.

  281. says

    Caine:

    But I get an ‘Access Denied’!

    Well, crap. IThat random lady just can’t keep myher shit straight.

    Let’s try this again, this time through myher blog, instead of myher twitpic account.

    A random pregnant lady’s* spectacular Proof of God.

    *I feel like that’s kind of cheating, but oh well!

  282. Brownian says

    *Everyone else, feel free.

    Thanks!

    [Puts hands a screen.]

    Sorry, I’m not getting anything.

  283. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    It’s a long story, but it involves a sponge, a resurrected Ronald Reagan, the Vatican’s secret monkey army, copious amounts of drugs and tattoo that says “Louis was here” engraved on my left buttcheek that may contain the power to end all life on Earth as we know it.

    Mr. Fire, I told you not test drink the grog, just taste it…

  284. 'Tis Himself says

    What’s a random race?

    In this case, a race that took place about ten or so years ago.

    Oh, Captain! How did the latest race go?

    We placed in the upper half of the finishers. We would have done better but the commode door insisted on gybing at the windward mark with the idiotic idea that the wind was better on the starboard tack. It wasn’t. But doing two gybes when almost everyone else didn’t gybe at all cost five or six places. What an idiot that commode door is!

  285. says

    I am now done with the plotblog of mystery! (I’m sending a giftie to Cipher.) It’s already to be mailed otmorrow. Or tomorrow, even. This is the artist trading card I did. (They’re small, 2.5″ x 3.5″).

  286. says

    Audley:

    A random pregnant lady’s* spectacular Proof of God.

    Spectacular indeed! Complete with tattoo. :D

    Mr. Fire:

    and tattoo that says “Louis was here” engraved on my left buttcheek that may contain the power to end all life on Earth as we know it.

    Oh gods. Whatever you do, don’t get a hand mirror and read the teeny tiny numbers! And watch the sky for genticles!

  287. says

    If it helps my general reviledness, I don’t think it’s possible to be rude enough to Raj.

    BINGO in capitals. But never underestimate people like Janine. Looks like she holds a Phd in rudeness and offensiveness.

  288. 'Tis Himself says

    I’m having trouble deciding whether Sally Strange’s random person 1’s bosoms, Caine’s random person 2’s ta-tas, or Audley’s random person 3’s mounds are the definitive proofs for gods. The matter might be put to a vote.

  289. says

    I clicked the link. And no, I didn’t masturbate to it – it’s just a woman with bare breasts, nothing special. I find a bunch of those with almost every Google image search I do.

    Sincerely, the heavenliness of the aforementioned breasts (how about the REST of the woman, raj you dolt? are women just collections of body parts to you?) is up to the beholder’s subjective judgment.

    No, not just body parts. And this is exactly the point is …. That mere ‘body parts’ can’t have such power of their own. There must be something else going on, too, of which we are now aware at the moment.

    And I don’t understand this ‘gentlemanly’ attitude of people like you. She has posed topless in both video clips precisely because of her extraordinary breasts, and thus to be seen in a purely sexual context. If she doesn’t mind, and she likes to be seen in this way, what exactly is your problem? Do you think women hate being sexually attractive?

  290. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Looks like she holds a Phd in rudeness and offensiveness.

    Nope, that is you irrational fuckwitted idjit. PZ has banhammered folks here in the TZT. Time for you to fade into the bandwidth the with rest of the terminally stooopid…

  291. Brownian says

    And I don’t understand

    Why don’t you just post this for every comment?

    Because you’re a fucking liar?

  292. says

    Nope, that is you irrational fuckwitted idjit. PZ has banhammered folks here in the TZT. Time for you to fade into the bandwidth the with rest of the terminally stooopid…

    And you have admitted to indulging in porn on the Internet… be careful. On the one hand, you pretend to be that gentleman who find only his wife’s breasts attractive. On the other hand, you are that slime who secretly watches porn on the Internet.

  293. says

    Why don’t you just post this for every comment?

    Because then you would stop writing. Don’t want to discourage your poor commenting skills.

  294. Brownian says

    And you have admitted to indulging in porn on the Internet… be careful. On the one hand, you pretend to be that gentleman who find only his wife’s breasts attractive. On the other hand, you are that slime who secretly watches porn on the Internet.

    “Duh, something unrelated.”

    Go back to “I don’t understand”. Relevant, and truthful.

  295. Brownian says

    Because then you would stop writing. Don’t want to discourage your poor commenting skills.

    Oh, I see the game. You’re just writing nonsensical things, intentionally, for once.

  296. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Rajkumar, who gives a shit what a fuckwitted idjit thinks. I certainly don’t. Show some intelligence for once in your meager and pathetic life, and stop bother your betters with your fuckwittery. Fade permanently into the bandwidth.

    You’re just writing nonsensical things, intentionally, for once.

    No, they were all intentional. What an ignorant and stoopid fuckwit RK is…

  297. Brownian says

    No, they were all intentional.

    I was of the impression that he once thought of himself as someone with something useful to say.

  298. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    I was of the impression that he once thought of himself as someone with something useful to say.

    Given his lies and bullshit, one can’t state what he thought originally. I have always thought it was trolling, as it never had anything cogent to say, just fuckwittery, idiocy, and stoopidity.

  299. Brownian says

    What’s funny about this comment:

    Because then you would stop writing. Don’t want to discourage your poor commenting skills.

    Is that rajkumar actually does discourage me from commenting. He’s a liar and an idiot, and I don’t really enjoy stomping on trolls, especially those who don’t argue in good faith. Frankly, watching everyone try to figure out just what the fuck this boil is on about doesn’t make for very interesting conversations.

    Of course, this won’t affect the lying fuck’s behaviour one iota, 402 notwithstanding.

  300. says

    Brownian:

    Frankly, watching everyone try to figure out just what the fuck this boil is on about doesn’t make for very interesting conversations.

    No, it doesn’t, which is why I tend to simply talk around it him.

  301. Ogvorbis says

    I have come to the conclusion that Raj could not pour water out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel.

  302. says

    Given his lies and bullshit, one can’t state what he thought originally. I have always thought it was trolling, as it never had anything cogent to say, just fuckwittery, idiocy, and stoopidity.

    Just look at your army of clowns, and then at yourself. If you still think I am the one who is trolling, then maybe too much porn has finally done its magic! Or, maybe, DENIAL in capitals is the right way to put it.

    By the way, have you been to a site called ‘Ilovethebeach’? Not exactly porn. But lots and lots of tits. yum!

  303. cm's changeable moniker says

    @Tony:

    Tits. Boobies. Didn’t we do this already?

    Yes, please.
    Can someone throw the gay men a bone?

    I’d suggest a “large”, “bulky” woodcock, but Louis beat me to the gag.

  304. says

    But don’t worry. It’s not you or your clowns, not even me, who gets to decide who is trolling and who is not.

  305. Ogvorbis says

    Holy FUCK!! How many fucking times has Raj flounced? Even if this fuckwad had a three digit IQ his flounces would still be more than his IQ number. Seriously, this idiot was shipped by never delivered.

  306. Hurinomyces bruxellensis says

    It flounces every three posts. I think it feels the need to announce its absence every time it wants to take a 30 min break from commenting.

  307. says

    ‘Tis:

    Where’s your sense of adventure?

    Oh, alright. I think it’s beyond his ability anyway. He’s been stuck in the same loop of stupidity for a long while now. He’s in a Möbius strip of stupid.

  308. Ichthyic says

    And you have admitted to indulging in porn on the Internet… be careful.

    be careful?

    or what?

  309. Ichthyic says

    The matter might be put to a vote.

    better yet, a hands-on judges panel.

  310. Ogvorbis says

    I think it feels the need to announce its absence every time it wants to take a 30 min break from commenting.

    That’s it. I have had enough! I am out of here.

    (Well, until I get back from the commode, that is.)

  311. 'Tis Himself says

    Well, until I get back from the commode, that is.

    Don’t forget to shut the door.

  312. Ogvorbis says

    Porn and bewbz prove what?

    It proves gods. Because, like, there is no way that sexual attraction in all of its myriad forms could possibly have evolved!

  313. Amphiox says

    It flounces every three posts. I think it feels the need to announce its absence every time it wants to take a 30 min break from commenting.

    It thinks its a “prank”.

    If doesn’t realize that each and every flounce only serves to reveal how much more of a fapwitted idiot it actually is.

  314. Amphiox says

    If she doesn’t mind, and she likes to be seen in this way, what exactly is your problem?

    Our problem, fapwit, is the dishonest and misogynistic way YOU chose to USE those clips.

    Of course the concept of personal responsibility is something that DECENT human beings adhere to, but you’re not one of those.

    Pathetic.

    Fapfap.

  315. betelgeux says

    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay! I figured out how to blockquote creationists! Will this only work with other users who have the greasemonkey script installed, or will everyone be able to see my angry gumby blockquote?

  316. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    The only clown and gnome her is Rajkumar, who can’t do a simple “this is what I believe, and this the evidence (link) to back it up” to save its life. It has degenerated into pron. Must be adolescent…

  317. says

    Oggie,

    Because, like, there is no way that sexual attraction in all of its myriad forms could possibly have evolved!

    Oh lord, this raj idiot probably actually believes that shit.

    It’s scary how tuned in you are to the trolls, Oggman. Scary, but useful.

    Caine,

    We need to be careful ‘cos gods may be watching?

    Pfffffft. So we can’t be pervs because god’s a perv? Or something like that?

  318. Ichthyic says

    So we can’t be pervs because god’s a perv? Or something like that?

    no, you can be a perv, it just has to be “god approved” ™ perversions.

    you know, like having 700 whores in your house, or bathing in the blood of your enemies, and their children, dogs, horses, cattle…

    that kind of perv is just peachy.

    NO GAY SEX, though. that’s just right out

  319. Amphiox says

    And you have admitted to indulging in porn on the Internet… be careful.

    The first person to link to porn, the only one here to provide actual physical evidence that it is such a connoisseur of porn that it not only knows instantly where to find it, but would automatically think it appropriate to link to as a “prank”, is you, fapwit.

    The others only claimed to indulge. If push comes to shove, their tracks are clean on this thread.

    Yours, on the other hand, are sadly quite sticky, and are glowing brightly with the luminol.

    Fapfapfap.

  320. Ogvorbis says

    It’s scary how tuned in you are to the trolls, Oggman. Scary, but useful.

    Remember, I was in MI. And still work for the government.

    Bwahahahahahaha!

  321. Ichthyic says

    Must be adolescent…

    did he ever deny living in his parent’s basement?

  322. 'Tis Himself says

    betelgeux #438

    Will this only work with other users who have the greasemonkey script installed, or will everyone be able to see my angry gumby blockquote?

    Only those with the greasemonkey script installed and activated can see the gumby. However <blockquote><q>gives Comic Sans MS</blockquote></q> to pretty well anybody:

    Comic Sans MS

  323. Amphiox says

    NO GAY SEX, though. that’s just right out

    Really?

    Now see, if I recall correctly, David was punished by god for his heterosexual escapades with Bathsheba.

    But all that hanky-panky he did with Jonathan? God’s response to that was to make him King of Israel.

  324. Amphiox says

    We need to be careful ‘cos gods may be watching?

    Of course they’re watching.

    Why did they make us, if not to watch? They forbid it because its more salacious and entertaining for them if we think they disapprove.

  325. Ichthyic says

    yup.

    don’t get too upset though, you really can’t ever do it “right” anyway.

    it’s a trick!

    *shhh*

  326. 'Tis Himself says

    Now see, if I recall correctly, David was punished by god for his heterosexual escapades with Bathsheba.

    If I remember right, David got into trouble for what he did to Bathsheba’s husband, Uriah the Hittite.

  327. life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ says

    betelgeux, the one you’re using there is visible only to others who have the script installed. I made that before I found a method that everyone could see (at a moment when PZ was feeling particularly generous about tweaking the css here).

    The version that’s visible for everyone is:

    oh shit. What was it again? Wait a minute.

    test

  328. Tony says

    ‘Tis:
    I didn’t know that’s what the Internet was for. Now I know. And knowing is half the battle.
    That video was funny.

  329. Amphiox says

    If I remember right, David got into trouble for what he did to Bathsheba’s husband, Uriah the Hittite.

    Well if one must pick this nit, David didn’t get into any real trouble at all. Neither did Bathsheba (which is a surprise, all things considering)

    Only their baby did. (The one NOT named ‘Solomon’).

  330. Tony says

    OK. But don’t tell me you didn’t masturbate to Michelle’s heavenly breasts? Do you know it’s quite a task to find bare breasts on Youtube, let alone such heavenly bare breasts?

    has someone informed the chew toy that better luck might be found on XTube, rather than YouTube?

  331. Josh, Churlish Ingrate says

    has someone informed the chew toy that better luck might be found on XTube, rather than YouTube?

    Well someone sure as fuck should. The more seed he spills wasted up on the ground the better for all of us.

  332. 'Tis Himself says

    From the pfffftt of all knowledge:

    Uriah the Hittite (Hebrew: אוריה החתי) was a soldier in King David’s army mentioned in the Hebrew Bible. He was the husband of Bathsheba, and was murdered by order of David by having the soldiers retreat from him in battle. Uriah’s wife was pregnant by King David through an adulterous affair. Although under David’s order to return home and see his wife, Uriah repeatedly refused to leave his post or leave the King’s presence to see her. Contact between the couple could have hidden the adulterous nature of her pregnancy by David. As a result of this murder, David was rebuked by the prophet Nathan; furthermore, later turmoil in David’s household and throughout the kingdom of Israel, including the death of Bathsheba’s baby and the insurrection of prince Absalom, was contemporarily explained as punishment for the sins of adultery and murder.

  333. 'Tis Himself says

    Tony,

    I’m glad you liked the video. The song is from an excellent Broadway musical called Avenue Q.

  334. life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ says



    betelgeux, the one you’re using there is visible only to others who have the script installed. I made that before I found a method that everyone could see (at a moment when PZ was feeling particularly generous about tweaking the css here).

    The version that’s visible for everyone is:

    oh shit. What was it again? Wait a minute.

    It’s <code><blockquote></blockquote></code><blockquote>gumby hangs here</blockquote>

    I shall make a note of this in the greasemonkey script.

  335. Amphiox says

    Although under David’s order to return home and see his wife, Uriah repeatedly refused to leave his post or leave the King’s presence to see her.

    Technically, then, Uriah disobeyed a direct order from his King, making his execution justifiable for treason.

    The bible pioneered rules lawyering.

    and the insurrection of prince Absalom, was contemporarily explained as punishment for the sins of adultery and murder

    The trigger for Absalom’s revolt was the rape of his full sister by his (and her) half-brother, another one of David’s sons. (None of them being related to Bathsheba in any way, either)

    So what in hell did she do to deserve that?

  336. life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ says

    And there’s nothing to be done about the excess whitespace. So it’s best to pretend like you meant to do that. Because the quoted commenter was so shockingly wrong, I guess.

  337. Amphiox says

    And Absalom ended up getting hanged from a tree by his own hair.

    If it was supposed to punishment for David, shouldn’t Absalom have won?

  338. betelgeux says

    @life is like a pitbull

    First, thanks for the instructions you gave to A.R. in the comments on the first TZT, which helped me install the gumby script on Greasemonkey.

    Second, I’m assuming the test didn’t work, since I didn’t see a gumby or comic sans in Firefox or IE. Let me know in these comments if you remember what it is, thanks.

    Anyway, I use Chrome and IE more than Firefox, and I was wondering if I could use greasemonkey scripts in these browsers. With a little research I managed to install the script for comic sans on Chrome (use Google Chrome Beta), and I downloaded a program called Trixie, which lets you install GM scripts in IE. However, I can’t figure out how to use Trixie (I can’t access it thru my tools menu like the site I downloaded it from said I could). I’m still working at it, so I might be able to figure it out.

  339. life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ says

    Yep, I see your “Jesus is Lord!” gumby.

    I can’t advise you about Trixie at all, but on the Greasemonkey page on the wiki, someone left a note about getting the killfile to work in Chrome. I haven’t tried it either, so that’s all I know.

  340. life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ says

    someone left a note

    a comment; scroll down to see it.

  341. Hurinomyces bruxellensis says

    Test case


    Blah Blah Blah, I’m so clever I can win the arguement by loosing. God exists because of boobies. If you don’t know what god is how can you know what evidence for god would look like? I’m a wanker. Misogynistic crap. Blah Blah Blah…

    Nifty. Thanks Strange Gods.

    @ Betelgeux

    I can see the gumby in Strange Gods’ post, and I’m using Firefox. There is also one in my test blockquote above when I render it in preview.

    Maybe the issue has to do with preferences?

  342. Ichthyic says

    Didn’t you learn the lesson from Job? Yahweh doesn’t want you dead, he wants you broken.

    yup.

    the Abrahamic religions have been selecting for authoritarianism in human populations for millenia.

    the message is clear:

    do not breed with non-authoritarian personalities!!

  343. life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ says

    Here’s the explanation of why the CSS hack works.

    It’s total gibberish, of course. There’s no such thing as CSS, life is only a dream, and we’re the imagination of ourselves.

    Here’s Raj with the weather.

  344. Amphiox says

    Didn’t you learn the lesson from Job? Yahweh doesn’t want you dead, he wants you broken.

    Dying peacefully in his sleep of a ripe old age and being remembered as the Bible’s equivalent of George Washington doesn’t seem all that broken, does it?

    At least it should have gone like Job, and have David lose round one, and force him to win back his kingdom.

    Even the Simpsons got that one better (David vs Goliath II)…

  345. consciousness razor says

    Christianity gave us shape-note singing, it’s one (very small) mitigating factor.

    For a while in the 19th century, it was used in some secular folk music as well, but I don’t know which might have come first. Either way, Christians probably put it to the most use, but I think a lot of that has to do with a church congregation (even a small one) being more able to afford sheet music than a household or a folk band or whatever. And households which could afford sheet music looked down on that sort of thing, sometimes both the style of the music and the “dumbed-down” form of notation.

  346. says

    Dying peacefully in his sleep of a ripe old age and being remembered as the Bible’s equivalent of George Washington doesn’t seem all that broken, does it?

    It does because his claim to being King was faithfulness and obedience to God. The point is that David as King can fuck around with anyone he wants…but when God says jump David says “tell me when I can come down”

    It’s a warning shot

  347. 'Tis Himself says

    Yahweh doesn’t care if you live or die. The sadistic bastard has no trouble killing innocent bystanders. He had bears maul 42 children because they were rude. He killed the first-born in Egypt because the ruler wouldn’t listen to a political lobbyist (and Yahweh set it up that Pharaoh wouldn’t listen). Real nice guy, Ol’ Yahweh.

  348. Tony says

    rajkumar:

    No, not just body parts. And this is exactly the point is …. That mere ‘body parts’ can’t have such power of their own.

    What exactly is this power that breasts have?
    Who does it work on?
    When does it work?
    Is it 100%effective? It isn’t 100% effective, as I don’t get a rise out of viewing breasts. I imagine there are many people around the world that get no discernible arousal simply by viewing breasts (and no, not all of them are gay; I know some straight men that aren’t remotely interested in breasts).
    Moreover, how did you find out that breasts have ‘power’ to begin with?
    Have you studied them?
    Are you a female breast expert?
    Do you have a link to a peer reviewed scientific study that supports the idea that the breasts of human females has any ‘power’?

    There must be something else going on, too, of which we are now aware at the moment.

    Why *must* there be something else going on?
    Even if something must be going on, how do you get from
    A- breasts have power
    to
    B- therefore god?

  349. MissEla says

    A- breasts have power
    to
    B- therefore god?”

    But I thought it was “Star Trek, therefore God”–oh, wait, that was yec123!

  350. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    @Tony #483

    Even if something must be going on, how do you get from
    A- breasts have power
    to
    B- therefore god?

    You can do so one of two ways:

    1) Be incredibly stupid
    2) Be raj.

    … oh wait, that boils down to one way, doesn’t it?

  351. Lyn M, Purveyor of Fine Aphorisms of Death says

    OT, but thought I would share a t-shirt I saw yesterday. This is really first rate, prime Chinglish.

    You can win by not losing.

    I have the pic to prove it.

    Would raj say



    You can lose by not winning! And I meant to say that!

  352. The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa) says

    I like breasts just fine, but I’m much more of a butt guy. I know, men have butts too, but only female butts ‘do it’ for me.

    I feel the need to point out, at least for the sake of the vast majority of non-shitty people who will read this post*, that I’m only talking about physical features here- my primary interest in women is the people they are, and it only becomes more true as I get older and learn more about interacting with people.

    *I know a misogynist like Raj will comprehend nothing but the ‘butts’ part.

  353. says

    Hey, lilapwl:

    Hi nigel :)

    Uhm, Don’t Stop Believin’. I have my priorities.

    But Hi right back. As in, “Fuck, but I miss all y’all.”

    Not to make this about me (because really, my life is boring, and I don’t even have an excellent bossom to make up for that fact), but life is carryin’ on like a choo-choo train about to run my ass over. I mostly poked my nose in here to say I’m still alive (important to me, since I’ve found several good on-line friends dead only by their absence), and to admit that, while my bossom is copious, it cannot compete.

    That is all.

  354. The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa) says

    Also, I laughed when he insinuated that we’re all trying to be “gentlemen” who have to give the impression we only think about our wives’s breastses.

    I don’t have a wife, and the woman I love doesn’t appear to give a tin shit if I do the Bonobo Dance with someone else, as long as I wear protection and don’t bring anything nasty back to her.

    Respecting women as people and having lots of sex aren’t mutually exclusive, idiot.

  355. life is like a pitbull with lipstick ॐ says

    I mostly poked my nose in here to say I’m still alive (important to me, since I’ve found several good on-line friends dead only by their absence)

    *nods*

    I’m glad to see you still poking about!

  356. The Laughing Coyote (Canis Sativa) says

    Seriously, what is it about a female butt that can affect me in ways a male butt can’t?

    Oh shit guys… I think I believe in god now.

  357. says

    I enjoy gazing upon a well-formed derriere of either sex. Seriously, this last season of “Dancing With the Stars” (don’t laugh, okay, nevermind, fuck it, go ahead and laugh) was totally worth watching if only for all the gratuitous butt-shaking by William Levy and Donald Driver. SERIOUS eye-candy for het ladies, gay men, and any bi folks. If nothing else, Josh, go look up some clips of Levy’s last salsa performance.

    MMMMM. MMmmm HMMM.

    …I’ll be in my bunk.

  358. says

    It isn’t 100% effective, as I don’t get a rise out of viewing breasts. I imagine there are many people around the world that get no discernible arousal simply by viewing breasts (and no, not all of them are gay; I know some straight men that aren’t remotely interested in breasts).

    Yeah. well, I am talking about those who do get a rise out of viewing breasts, naked or otherwise — people like me. Having said this, well developed well-shaped female breasts hold some kind of divine power for people like me. Those who remain largely unaffected by that power… well, that could become a different topic for discussion. As in, why a large number of heterosexual men get a ‘rise’ out of viewing breasts, but some don’t. Most do, but some don’t.

    Do you have a link to a peer reviewed scientific study that supports the idea that the breasts of human females has any ‘power’?

    Not yet. The idea is so original that I think I’ll be the first one to write a peer reviewed paper on this.

    And Sally, I can’t see your video. It says:

    The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
    Sorry about that.