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  1. John Morales says

    “ICE doesn’t care about the law.”

    Of course it does. It purports to be executing the law.

    (ahem; that is, enforcing it. My Freudian)

  2. John Morales says

    [OTWell, Birger, I’m not one to put money in Zuck’s pocket unlike you, but easy enough to check:

    “The 262 men of the 1st Minnesota held the line against all odds and Union reinforcements drove back the remaining Confederates. However, their actions came at a great cost, of the 262 men that went in to battle, 47 walked away unharmed. 215 men were either killed or wounded and the regiment suffered a casualty rate of 82%, the highest of any single regiment for a battle. The regiment also lost every one of their field commanders in the assault.”
    (https://www.civilwarmed.org/1st-minnesota-at-gettysburg/)

    No worries. 82% casualty rate, but a mention in the history books!

    Saved the North is a bit, well, excited.
    The one decisive action of the war, you reckon?

  3. birgerjohansson says

    ‘The one decisive action of the war, you reckon?’

    Not even close, but their sacrifice mattered for that particular battle.
    And they got nearly wiped out.

    This reminds me…it is surprisingly easy to get people to have physical courage, but really hard to get them to show moral courage.
    (glares at US congressmen)

  4. John Morales says

    [OT]

    “And they got nearly wiped out.”

    Yah. Shame that was not part of the headline.

    Again: facebook (‘meta’) views put $$$ in Zuck’s pocket.
    Not gonna happen by me.

    So: don’t mess with Minessota, for the Minnesotans shall nearly get wiped out is a more appropriate headline. Of course, then you would not have adduced it. Because for you, headlines are it, best as I can tell.

    262 men in the context of that war << the 300 Spartans in that little war.

    (But, to be fair, they did better than the Spartans, so there’s that. Yay!)

    I betcha anything that if they had not held the line until the reinforcements saved them, it would not have materially changed the overall outcome.

    You seriously stand by “saved the North”, or no?

    Point is, they are not specially special.

    Don’t mess with X is pretty much an universal claim — much more so when they are not peer adversaries, unlike that example. Not like the Minnesotans had only shield and spears and the Confederacy had machine guns and rifles, eh?

  5. Tethys says

    Saved the Union, the North was never in danger from a bunch of corn-pone slavers. Gettysburg was indeed where the 1st Minnesota turned the tide against the Confederacy, but of course the resident Cabrón needs to Baaaaah about it.

    It was a couple more years before the Civil war ended.

    The 1st Minnesota faced overwhelming odds and held off against a force almost six times as large as their own.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTMrHwVbI9Y&pp=0gcJCTIBo7VqN5tD

  6. Tethys says

    Most historians agree that the actions of the 1st Minnesota at Gettysburg were the crucial factor in the Union victory. The were also at Bull Run, and other battles, but Gettysburg turned the tide.

    We still have Virginia’s flag and proudly display it at our History Museum. Every few years they ask for it back and we say “Lol, never gonna happen.”

  7. John Morales says

    [OT]

    “Most historians agree that the actions of the 1st Minnesota at Gettysburg were the crucial factor in the Union victory.”

    Talk about a derail.

    More to the point, no. Your claim is counterfactual.

    Who started talking about the actions of the 1st Minnesota at Gettysburg, again?

    (You can lie to yourself, Tethys, but not to others about verifiable facts)

  8. indianajones says

    Tethys, birgerjohansson, your time is being wasted…

    Nice work Wrecktangle Pizza folks!

  9. John Morales says

    indianajones: Nice work Wrecktangle Pizza folks!

    Folk is a subset of people. Folks is the set of subsets of people. FWTW.

    This is the summary of the video: when the federal agents arrived at Wrecktangle Pizza, staff blocked their entry and forced them back outside. As the agents withdrew, they released chemical irritants into the crowd. Word of the confrontation spread quickly through the neighbourhood, and nearby residents and businesses mobilised, gathering supplies and supporting immigrants who feared further enforcement activity. The restaurant, already active in local aid efforts, continued distributing food and resources as the community organised around it.

    This is Birger:

    The First Minnesotan regiment saved the North at Gettysburg.
    Don’t mess with Minnesotans.

    .https://www.facebook.com/share/p/14NZur1HybE/

    Nice work indeed, indy.

  10. Tethys says

    Hey Indiana Jones! Yes, he is denser than a black hole but Aussies somehow lost two Emu Wars, so he has no standing to diss the 1st Minnesota.

    I didn’t have “form up and harass the heavily armed Ice-stapo agents” on my bingo card for 2026. It’s been a strange week, but my completely ordinary fellow Minnesotans are pretty courageous against invading oppressors. Must be all the Viking heritage.

  11. Tethys says

    Minnesota is the land where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average. Just ask Garrison Keillor.

  12. John Morales says

    [meta]

    Heh.

    Yes, he is denser than a black hole but Aussies somehow lost two Emu Wars, so he has no standing to diss the 1st Minnesota.

    Ah yes, the huddling together. The victims!

    How’s your thread-copping harassment policy of me going, Tethys?
    Your aspie wrangling? Your shushings?

    I feel invigorated by them. I could use a few more.

    You really don’t get it: it is not trepidation I sense about that, it is… expectation. Hopefulness.

    So. Carry on pestering me. Truly a briar patch.

    Righto. I shall concede some relevance, to be generous

    A local pizza shop is shown to be an exemplar of civic backbone and neighbourly solidarity, refusing entry to federal agents and holding the line long enough for the neighbourhood to surge in behind them, seeing them off. Utterly creditable. No casualties, thankfully. Good attitude.

    But they have not won the war against ICE.

    And that is the analogic comparison at hand.

    Nothing particularly special about heroic resistance or huge casualties; many examples all over.
    I explicitly pointed it out @9.

    Repeating myself even more is futile.

  13. Tethys says

    Live footage from Minneapolis after the goons apparently shot and injured a kid for running away from them.

    Happening now. Minnesotans are special. It’s cold, dark, and they are fighting back with whistles and excoriation for the heavily armed gangs.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_RiaPyZMrtU

  14. John Morales says

    [OT]

    Minnesota is the land where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average. Just ask Garrison Keillor.

    Australia is the land where all the men chunder, all the women thunder, and all the children are Vegemite‑fed so need no advantage.
    Just ask Men at Work.

  15. John Morales says

    14 January 2026 at 9:31 pm

    futile

    Correct! No attention for Cabrón behavior.

    Obsessive.

    (Reciprocal; 1:1 with you the initiator, Tethys. Be aware of your hypocrisy)

  16. seversky says

    https://www.civilwarmed.org/1st-minnesota-at-gettysburg/

    .The men of the 1st Minnesota and the actions they performed during the Battle of Gettysburg should be remembered by all. Some say that the 20th Maine were the saviors of the Union for repelling the already battered 15th Alabama from Little Round Top. The 1st Minnesota faced overwhelming odds and held off against a force almost six times as large as their own. The 262 men who went into that field preserved the Union lines on the second day of battle and saved the Union effort at Gettysburg.

    The First Minnesota rushed through the storm of bullets coming from the direct fire of two brigades, into the midst and centre of this overwhelming force, with nothing but death to look for, and no hope or chance; for any other success than to gain the brief time needed to save that battlefield. And not a man wavered.

    Seems to me the same spirit that drove the First Minnesotans at Gettysburg animated the defenders at The Battle of The Wrecktangle Pizza.

  17. John Morales says

    seversky, yeah. Not that weird a spirit. Most commendable.

    Yet again: A local pizza shop is shown to be an exemplar of civic backbone and neighbourly solidarity, refusing entry to federal agents and holding the line long enough for the neighbourhood to surge in behind them, seeing them off. Utterly creditable. No casualties, thankfully. Good attitude.

    But they have not won the war against ICE.

    That’s the relevance.

    Has it yet saved the “North” against ICE?

  18. Tethys says

    It’s only been a week, and the North is once again on the front line, against overwhelming force, and the ICE is cracking. Minnesotans are not backing down but ICE is about to discover real Minnesota winter. Let’s see how they cope.

  19. Silentbob says

    @ 12 indianajones

    Tethys, birgerjohansson, your time is being wasted…

    Right? Back in the day we said, “don’t feed the trolls”. But whatever floats your boat I guess.

    BTW is it a new thing for Morales to accuse everyone of “aspie-wrangling”? In 15 years of encountering the dickhead on and off I’ve never seen that before.

  20. John Morales says

    “Minnesotans are not backing down but ICE is about to discover real Minnesota winter. Let’s see how they cope.”

    That is predicated on ICE not having Minnesotans in its ranks.

    (I reckon Alaskans might have a word about winter hardiness, BTW)

  21. Tethys says

    John is mad that I called him an Aspie in yet another thread that he needed to make about himself. He clearly is unbothered and not obsessing over it at all.

  22. Tethys says

    Johnathan Ross is a resident of Hennepin county. He is in hiding, because he has destroyed his life.

  23. John Morales says

    [ahem]

    Tethys: 10 January 2026 at 4:23 pm

    He [me] did protest as expected, but also complied. (Which I appreciate) I have a lifetime of experience wrangling people who are on the Aspie side of things being bewildered by people having emotional reactions to their oh so logical behavior. Human emotions aren’t logical, but they aren’t irrational either.

    Tethys: 10 January 2026 at 4:29 pm

    @John
    Shhhhhhhhhhh. Let it go.

  24. John Morales says

    Oh yea, the other bit:

    Tethys:12 January 2026 at 3:54 pm

    Knock it off John. Yes, I am going to threadcop you personally every time you derail yet another thread with your fucked up superiority complex. Stop attacking the commenters. You aren’t smarter than everyone else.

    I told you I’d already had a hatefan who tried to pester me for years.

    How’s it going for ya, Tethys?

  25. Silentbob says

    @ 16 Morales

    it is not trepidation I sense about that, it is… expectation. Hopefulness.

    Morales, this is a description of trolling. This is what trolling means. You cannot claim out of one side of your mouth to be unfairly denigrated as a troll, and out of the other claim you rejoice in provoking as much confrontation as possible. The latter IS WHAT MAKES YOU A TROLL.

  26. John Morales says

    [meta]

    Look, Tethys: PZ once told me and another to neither talk to nor about each other.

    One complied. I am one of the two.
    I comply because I am genuine and honourable, best as I can.
    I undertook to comply.

    (You see the ghost of your future, on your current path.
    Your choice)

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