People are having a grand time digging through Charlie Kirk’s own words to show that he deserved being dragged.
He was killed on camera. No one’s family deserves to have to witness that. It’s unthinkably cruel that people would then go on the internet and use their platform to say about an innocent man that “l don’t care that he’s dead.” “He’s not a hero.” “He’s a scumbag.” “He shouldn’t be celebrated.”
I’m talking about George Floyd. You thought | was talking about Charlie Kirk? No, those are actual quotes BY Charlie Kirk about George Floyd. Outrageous that anyone would say that of the dead, right?
It’s tempting to sit down and just compile a list of all the hateful things the man said — I could spend the next few weeks documenting what a horrible little man he was. But that’s something that should have been done before he was killed, because what should have been assassinated was his reputation while he was cuddling up to racists and anti-semites and anti-gay and trans people, all that stuff journalists shied away from while he was living and building a movement. All we can do now is condemn him when it is too late.
When asked about mass shootings he said, “I think it’s worth it. I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment.” Perhaps Kirk did not believe that his own life would be cut short by gun violence, but, like the rest of us, he has witnessed countless school shootings. When he said “some gun deaths” are acceptable, he surely knew he lived in a country where the deaths he deemed acceptable included those of children, some of whom were the age of his own. There is no inherent virtue in caring about your own children; that is the bare minimum requirement for effective parenting. Virtue lies in caring about the safety and well-being of children you don’t know.
On that front, I’m fairly sure Kirk did not care about my child. My child lives in Brooklyn, in a progressive family. His mother works and does not have a marriage where she is considered inferior to her husband or required to obey him, as Kirk arrogantly told Taylor Swift she should do after learning of her engagement. (“Reject feminism,” he said. “You’re not in charge.”) We also live in a Haitian immigrant neighborhood, and if you only listened to Charlie Kirk, you might be under the impression that my neighbors eat pets. You would also be encouraged to believe that, simply by virtue of being non-white immigrants, they were “replacing” white people—and that, since they are also Black, they are dangerous. “Happening all the time in urban America,” he said, “prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact.”
Now is the time to talk about the evil being done by Trump and Steven Miller and JD Vance and Pete Hegseth and RFK jr (I’m beginning to see some open detestation of that foul creature) and all the billionaires backing the current political moment. I’m done with Kirk. He’s dead, good.
A great response from a Christian minister:
Truth!
Among so very many others of Kirk’s own hateful, mocking, sociopathic, vile words.
Fb meme that sums things up perfectly I reckon – apart from starting with a conjuction :
Author unknown, possibly “Hoodlum” tho’ sure that’s not their real name!
And the incompetence displayed by Patel is not enough to get rid of him
“Trump gets CORNERED by his own FBI director over dark past” 🙂
.https://youtube.com/watch?v=923-Aykjmbo
Crossposted with The Infinite Thread.
“The punk duo Bob Vylan have had a gig cancelled after their frontman Bobby Vylan called the far right commentator Charlie Kirk, who was fatally shot last week in Utah, “an absolute piece of shit of a human being” while performing in Amsterdam.
The Tilburg venue 013 has cancelled the Ipswich band’s 16 September show as a result, saying that the band went “too far” at the Paradiso venue in the Dutch capital.
Bobby Vylan, who does not use his real name, added on stage: “The pronouns was/were. Cause if you chat shit you will get banged. Rest in peace Charlie Kirk, you piece of shit.”
-My comment: Objectively, Charlie Kirk WAS “an absolute piece of shit of a human being”, but maybe wait a while after the funeral. You know, like with Jimmy Savile.
Charlie Kirk who?
I’d barely heard of him before he was shot and killed.
He was a generic clone of Alex Jones.
Someone spreading right wing hate and lies for money.
He never had an original thought in his life.
It was just copying and reflecting christofascist hate back to his GOP audience.
Who cares? He will be forgotten in a few days as the Trump regime finds another way to wreck the USA.
Here is another example of someone’s words worth nothing but contempt.
It is Elon Musk again, who has helpfully emphasized his complete racism.
This is a copy of a recent post on X.
Whyatt Stag is nobody, an anonymous white racist.
What is noteworthy is that Elon Musk is agreeing with him.
FWIW, I’m white and I’m far more afraid of white racists like Whyatt Stag and Elon Musk than any other group. They are the killers, enslavers, and oligarches wrecking our society right now.
https://bsky.app/profile/krassenstein.bsky.social/post/3lyfpganc7k2d
I was thoroughly aware of Kirk before his assassination — his organization, TPUSA, targeted college-aged students while demeaning the value of a college education. It also helped that I was on his Professor Watchlist.
Charlie Kirk was very public about being a very lousy human being. That’s not on me for noticing, that’s on him for making it his brand to be a terrible jerk who thought it was fine to treat others poorly. As long as they didn’t look like him and think like him it was all okay. If the loony right wasn’t so dead set on using his death as a wedge to force his sainthood on all of us I wouldn’t even have to say that. Nor would I have had to say anything if his ridiculously bad ideas were private rather than part of a career built on spreading them publicly.
I only have one thing to say about him myself. His motto was “prove me wrong” which sounds admirable. And I could definitely do that. So could a lot of people. But, and it’s a really big but, he never said anything about listening. And from what I could tell he didn’t listen. How can you prove anything to someone who refuses to be in the same conversation as you? That’s the grand trick all these fake debaters use and PZ has talked about it before. This is just how I view it: they don’t even engage in the conversation you’re trying to have with them. They just monologue about whatever they feel like.
Here are more good examples of the lies and violence of rtwing xtian terrorists further unleashed by the charlie kirk excuse:
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-vector-of-political-killings-in-the-usa-is-still-donald-trump,20159
None of the last 31 political attacks was by anyone from ‘the Left’. Not one. We can count them.
by Alan Austin
Monday, September 15, 2025 at 5:02:46a
The script written for Donald Trump which he read stiltedly straight after Charlie Kirk was shot declared assassinations in the USA were caused by “the radical Left”.
PZ mentions Steven Miller
WELL:
https://mockpaperscissors.com/2025/09/14/evil-walks-amongst-us/
If you have not yet read Rolling Stone’s profile of Pee Wee German, you must go there —right now— and read it.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/stephen-miller-trump-terror-ice-immigration-military-1235426023/
He’s worse than you might think, and he’s slowly but assuredly acquiring power from other cabinet heads. He might be the second-most powerful person in the administration following the Big Tuna hisself.
This nation is speeding down the Death Spiral!
@7 lanir
Well said. It reminds me of Kent Hovind’s 250,000 USD offer to prove that evolution happened (to his satisfaction). It was set up from the start to be an opportunity to dunk on science nerds, to boost Hovind’s credibility while diminishing that of his opponents. Just so with anyone who thought they could persuade Charlie Kirk with dispassionate rhetoric and evidence. That wasn’t in his job description, his job was to fire up his supporters by using your words against you.
@4 raven
Apparently you did, you were breathlessly following the 24-hour news cycle in the previous threads.
@7
A telltale sign of insincerity is that if an argument of his is proven wrong in one venue, he will repeat it in the next venue as if nothing happened. You can find the same trait among Creationists (e.g. bombardier beetle).
FWIW, theres’ a discussion on yt here that
‘Why are Charlie Kirk’s words suddenly off limits?’: James O’Brien – LBC (under 20 mins.) that might be informative.
Kirk’s fans sure are shy and run away from quotes their idol spewed.
I have bad news for those of you who think the Kirk murder story will soon pass :
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/09/15/us/trump-news
Trump and his mini-me, Steven Miller, are going to ride this all the way to the concentration camps. Read’em and weep.
The “Fuck your feelings” crowd sure is having a lot of feelings about this deceased podcaster.
Love the Moms Mabley quote you threw in: “He’s dead. Good.”
Under-reported news from Utah:
Magna men arrested for threat of terrorism after explosive device found underneath news media vehicle
The incident happened 3 days ago, and this is the first I am hearing about it? And none of the media are running a deep dive on the suspects’ politics?
beholder:
Too simplistic; he’s not asking people to convince him, he’s asking people to dispute him.
It’s for the audience, that is to say. Purely performative.
Basically, his job. Well-recompensed, too.
And let’s face it, most people are shit at argumentation.
Some have more of a knack for it than others, presumably he had some of that.
Anyway, “Prove me wrong” is not ‘convince me I am wrong’, it’s ‘dispute me in front of a friendly crowd’.
see also
https://boingboing.net/2025/09/15/washington-post-fires-black-woman-who-quoted-what-charlie-kirk-said-about-black-women.html
I just looked, phillipbrown.
e.g. https://karenattiah.substack.com/p/the-washington-post-fired-me-but
“I did my journalistic duty, reminding people that despite President Trump’s partisan rushes to judgement, no suspect or motive had been identified in the killing of Charlie Kirk — exercising restraint even as I condemned hatred and violence.
My journalistic and moral values for balance compelled me to condemn violence and murder without engaging in excessive, false mourning for a man who routinely attacked Black women as a group, put academics in danger by putting them on watch lists, claimed falsely that Black people were better off in the era of Jim Crow, said that the Civil Rights Act was a mistake, and favorably reviewed a book that called liberals “Unhumans”. In a since-deleted post, a user accused me of supporting violence and fascism. I made clear that not performing over-the-top grief for white men who espouse violence was not the same as endorsing violence against them.
My only direct reference to Kirk was one post— his own words on record.
[…]
My commentary received thoughtful engagement across platforms, support, and virtually no public backlash.
And yet, the Post accused my measured Bluesky posts of being “unacceptable”, “gross misconduct” and of endangering the physical safety of colleagues — charges without evidence, which I reject completely as false. They rushed to fire me without even a conversation—claiming disparagement on race. This was not only a hasty overreach, but a violation of the very standards of journalistic fairness and rigor the Post claims to uphold.”
Interesting. Perhaps a precipitating factor, but she is not linking it to that one post she made mentioning Kirk, but to her activism in general. The straw that broke the camel’s back, I suppose.
( @ Morales
See how much more readable your #17 is compared to your #19 where you appear to be talking about your “journalistic and moral values” (of which we know you have none). Do more of #17, less of #19 please.)
The one “good” thing to come out this is that it lays bare the lie that they care about “free speech”. It will be news to no one here, but that was only ever an excuse for unapologetic bigotry. Celebrate the persecution of minorities? Sure! Free Speech! Celebrate the death of a bigot? Arrest and jail! Fuck about and find out!
raven @4
Who was a clone of Rush Limbaugh, who was clone of Morton Downey Jr, who was a clone of Father Coughlin, who was a clone of…
A long chain of hateful pieces of shit. None of them were original. Fuck every last one of them.
And if there’s anyone out there who’s offended by these words, come at me, bro.
Their entry on you is surprisingly short. There’s a professor here in Baltimore who teaches at Loyola University and has a local radio show. Her entry is about three times longer than yours even though she’s, I assume, less well-known.
Apparently he was worth a standing ovation in Parliament up here in Canada.
Because of course we have to fully respect a free speech warrior who was arguing for the silly causes of the US right.
Silent bob @ 20.
If you actually follow the link in John Morales’ 19 you will see that what John Morales posted was in fact a direct quote from the linked Washington Post article.
It is evident that your eye has a John Morales shaped splinter of your own fashioning in it.
There’s a PBS Newshour discussion here on free speech and the Trumpist fash trying to suppress it when it come sto their hateful hate preaching idol :
Source : https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/firings-over-callous-remarks-on-kirks-killing-spark-debate-on-limits-of-free-speech
Personally hate that they (PBS & media generally including Aussie ABC) call Kirk a “conservatibvve activist” rather than the more accurate hate preacher and White Supremacist literal nazi that he was.
StevoR, that’s reality for you.
Wikipedia: “Charles James Kirk (October 14, 1993 – September 10, 2025) was an American right-wing political activist, author, and media personality.”
Neither is more or less accurate.
Charlie Kirk preached hate. A lot of extreme hate. I don’t think merely calling him an “activist” does that justice or suffices.
I made a FB post yesterday about one key fact: he never published transcripts of his podcast. Thus the only time anybody writes down the horrible things he said, it is a left-leaning place like media matters (that is awful in distorted headlines), or right-wing watch.
In other words, we can’t just post to one of HIS sites to get quotes. We can only point to left-leaning pages that excerpt them, giving the counter from the right being “out of context” and “biased site, you don’t have to believe it”.
This was VERY intentional on his part, but it is why such indexing would still not have solved the problem, because since these are 3rd party transcriptions of his crap, they don’t have the same ‘authority’ to a reader as something actually written down on his own site.
Those independents who still think he was a good christian because of what christian sites shared that he said never saw the rest…but they wouldn’t accept it if they did, even though they are accepting of the same 3rd party attribution when it is something ‘good’ said by one of ‘their’ christian sites.
I’d heard of this guy but never actually listened to any of his “debates” till the last couple of days … and he was not a debater at all, he was a yeller, who steamrolled over any dissent, especially if it came from a woman who was significantly younger than him. Absolute asshole. Ashcan of history, please. Unfortunately there are substitutes, most of them currently paid by the Feds.
I see a recurring theme among some folks on the right : blatant hypocrisy.
every accusation is an admission
call me a ‘snowflake’ ? it’s because they can’t stand their feelings being hurt
claim to care about the constitution? sure, the 2nd amendment as they interpret it – but not free speech, freedom to assemble and peacefully protest, rights to due process etc.
claim to drain the swamp? rid the ‘deep state’ of corruption?, NOPE install your own alligators
it never ends
@birgerjohansson: the cancellation of the Bob Vylan gig at 013 had more to do with what they said about Israel and Gaza:
I was surprised to learn that he mentioned Kirk as well, in an article in De Volkskrant about it:
The GOP has no real values whatsoever.
Everything they claimed to believe in, they don’t.
.1. Family Values? Nonexistent.
They have high rates of child sexual abuse. Cut Food Stamps and Medicare.
Cut education for children.
Who they really care for are the billionaire oligarchy.
.2. Fiscal prudence?
The GOP has consistently run up the highest deficits and the national debt by cutting taxes while not cutting spending.
.3. Freedom? They are in the process of destroying the Constitution and our democracy to set up a dictatorship.
The NRA always said we needed guns to protect us from the government. When the government went fascist, the so called freedom worshipers were nonexistent.
.4. The economy? They are right now wrecking the economy with their tariffs and ICE raids.
Inflation is creeping up while job numbers are shrinking.
I was at the grocery store tonight and it was shocking how much higher prices were than even a week ago. This is harvest season and yet, vegetables were scarce and expensive.
.5. Xianity? Their version has nothing to do with what they claim their magic book the bible says.
All the GOP stands for these days is power and money for the oligarchies.
And white racism. Trump never misses a chance to demonstrate how much he hates Blacks.
@29. acroyear :
Thanks. Excellent point. That’s very telling and of course when people talk about context and thigs taken out of I reckon its always worth asking :
What context makes some of the the horrendous, racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted things Kirk said actually okay?
@34 StevoR
While fun to imagine, you’ll never get that far in an argument with a true believer.
It isn’t in their concordance, therefore it must be a complete fabrication by the enemy.
LBC discussion on yt here – The ‘free-speech campaign’ to get Charlie Kirk’s critics fired under 15 mins long.
Remember when the reichwing used to howl about so-called “Cancel culture”” folks?
Guess everyone has now heard about Kimmel’s firing yeah?
Source : https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/pm/jimmy-kimmel-suspended-after-kirk-comments/105791024
The New Arab has a good essay here :
Source : https://www.newarab.com/opinion/charlie-kirk-anas-al-sharif-and-how-report-assassination
Oh & I’m not sure who Benjamin Dixon is but reckon this discussion by him here – The Washington Post FIRED Its Last Black Woman Columnist… For QUOTING Charlie Kirk! (9 mins long) is worth hearing and contemplating.
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Plus Hasan Piker’s views and persepctive on this via interview :
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2025/07/02/infinite-thread-xxxvi/comment-page-7/#comment-2277891
On the contrxt issue, I have had folks yell that the acceptable gun deaths quote is out of context. The context is that he was comparing that to acceptable deaths from cars, but we still use cars.
However that context does not “fix” the quote. The purpose of cars is transport, the purpose of guns is killing. The deaths per use of a car is way lower than the deaths per use of a gun. Car use is heavilly regulated, gun use barely regulated.