Nancy Mace poses with a crappy paper label added to a restroom sign as if it’s something she’s selling on the home shopping network, and I cringe. I’ve said this before: this makes no sense. There is no such thing as a non-biological woman, making the phrase redundant. Mace is just appropriating a complex term to assign it to some narrower, more ideological interpretation that she leaves unstated — it’s reducing biology to a meaningless term which bigots can abuse, expecting you to read more into it than is appropriate.
Be honest, Nancy. Spell it out. You really just want to exclude Sarah McBride from using the restroom. Don’t cloak your meaning in bad biology.
Alternatively, I’m going to have to protest this baseless anti-synthetic humanoid bigotry.
Funny how the “biological” basis always shifts between chromosomes, plumbing, gametes, and hormones whenever one of them fails to produce a consistent binary categorization.
I just don’t, and probably never will, understand why these people insist that the territory conform to the map rather than the other way ’round. Their internal model of reality is absurdly oversimplified, but instead of adjusting the model, they dig in their heels and demand that reality conform to their delusions about it. It’s abjectly enervating.
You are overthinking this.
Nancy Mace is just a mindless hater.
She hates Trans people.
I’m sure she hates a huge number of other groups as well.
The usual GOP list of gays, atheists, nonwhites, nonxians, scientists, children, liberals, progressives, Northerners, etc..
I’m sure Nancy Mace hates me. And you. And PZ. And…
I’d love to ask her what she thinks of an XY woman with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome using the bathroom, but, of course, she probably doesn’t know enough biology to realize that such people are not “trans.” They develop as female in terms of body structure and are properly considered as girls or women in just about every respect with the exception of reproduction. And then, of course, there are examples of XX males to consider. The categories are not as clear-cut as she thinks in her haste to condemn a fellow member of Congress.
Nancy Mace is biologically a mindless hater.
There, that is done.
She isn’t worth paying any attention to.
Can we move on now?
Something I saw in passing, and I forget where:
“It figures that a Southern Conservative would love to segregate a bathroom”
kenmiller @4:
There are also the individuals who are XXY, as well as those whose testosterone and estrogen levels put them more at the level of the other sex. And statistically speaking, I imagine that there are at least a few of these internationally known, strict binary definition of sex “experts” who fit one of those categories. Too bad we’ll never know who they are.
AOC has a good takedown of Mace discussed here :
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2024/10/04/infinite-thread-xxxiii/comment-page-5/#comment-2243788
I’m starting to believe that Mace and her ilk know this. They know and they understand. They just don’t care. Like people know that we know that they know that Trump is a liar and they still vote form him. Their use of silly arguments is just a dress-up. They know they’re silly. So it’s no use to try to convince them otherwise. They already know otherwise. They don’t care. They are haters and they want to hate. That’s all there is.
@2 love the use of map and terrain, i use this analogy all the time.
@9 its about hierarchy and dominance, logic, reality, kindness, etc, are irrelevant to that end goal. This is one thing that liberals fundamentally misunderstand about the petite bourgeois. Like the grand bourgeois are very much constrained by the pressures if capital to generate returns so their agency us much more limited. This is why, paradoxically, big business is often more willing to make accommodations with labor if it keeps the system turning over. For the petite bourgeois on the other hand, it is all about power and dominance of the owner over the worker because the owner largely has direct relations with those they exploit and therefore the daily material reality of that relationship engenders that mentality. Like so many petite bourgeois would happily see the economy collapse so long as their personal power over their workers was enhanced and “those people” “learned their place.”
Nancy has a…very wide jaw. Are we sure she isn’t one of the horrible transes (hatesssss the transessss, we do~!)? Have they found out? Why don’t they make her prove she’s a woman?
Because that is where this is going, eventually. Goddess almighty, while I have not had good experiences with transwomen on a personal level, I would not CARE if one came into the bathroom I was using and went into the next stall to take care of biology. Everyone has to do it no matter what their sex or gender or chromosomes.
Perhaps someone should point out to here that they’ve had sex-neutral toilets on aircraft for many years without any issues.
Wish there was a simple way to read these posts without having to see the disgusting mugs of these freaks in the masthead.
rietpluim: It’s like fictional retired Nazi propagandist Howard W. Campbell Jr said: “I had tried to be merely ridiculous, but that is hard to do when people are so unwilling to laugh, so incapable of thought, so eager to believe and snarl and hate. So many people wanted to believe me. Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider the capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile.”
@seversky #12:
Although some would count the popularity of the Mile High Club in the 1980s as an issue, since it tended to lengthen the queue.
The transphobic people seem to use the word “biological” as an adjective to “male” or “female” or “sex” is a technological-sounding substitute for what they are thinking — they would like to use the word “real”, as in “this restroom is for real women”. This implies is that they do not actually believe in the existence of transgender people, because it does not fit in with their authoritarian and Manichaean worldview. This dumb use of “biological” is a cover for bigotry.
I wonder how she would react if a trans man walked into “her” bathroom, and told her: “Hey, you told me I had to come here…”
I agree with those who recommend she read the book “Everybody Poops.” The museum in our town has a very modern, lovely unisex bathroom that has locking stalls. It is possible to wash one’s hands unashamedly with persons of any gender identity. It’s a wonder Congress can’t get its act together to do that, too.
We’re supposed to Constitutionally protected against bills of attainder — legislation that imposes punishment on a specific person or group of people without a judicial trial.
That’s exactly what this is.
Nancy Mace’s history as the first graduate of the Citadel military school makes her behavior even more odious. The first women to try to get through the Citadel were all forced out by hazing by the other cadets, paralleling the school’s long pattern of racism and hatred coming out of its Confederate, pro-slavery, origins. The bad press from these previous cases led to some protection of Mace during her time there.
It looks like she hates people in wheelchairs too.
Biological wheelchair user.
On behalf of all artificial intelligences who identify as women, I am offended.
@17. robert79 : “I wonder how she would react if a trans man walked into “her” bathroom, and told her: “Hey, you told me I had to come here…”
Sadly the answer to that is very probably with physical violence aided by her fellow transphobic friends – and blaming the victim for it for existing.
@11:
<sarcasm> Hey, I know! We’ll just have everyone claiming to be female strip down to bra and panties, and do an intrusive patdown on any for whom we still have doubts!
Better yet, they could just all come to work in bikinis. It’s not all that outrageous — seen any beauty pageants, even after they supposedly gave up the swimsuit portion of the competition? <sarcasm>
@20 bcw bcw
Furthermore, once Mace was admitted to the Citadel the school had to make accommodations to … wait for it … bathroom facilities, even to the extent of special signage and “training” for the men.
But, how about this, MAGA Mike Johnson declared that people must use facilities according to their biological sex, so McBride should stride into the Men’s room Loud and Proud. “Hello, boys, I’m here!!!” How do y’all think that would go down?
The whole excuse for bigotry would blink out if we made all toilets free for anyone to use without categorising.
DanDare, a lot cheaper to include upstanding urinals.
But then one has to flop one’s dick out.
(Stalls offer privacy, but are less efficient at turnover. Thus the gendered queue thingy)
My take on a lot of this is simple:
Some people just don’t seem to be happy unless they can categorize everybody else into some sort of box so they know how they ‘should’ treat them. It’s all a social hierarchy thing; they need to know whether those other people are above or below them on the ladder, and get very uncomfortable when someone openly and proudly doesn’t fit into a box because that breaks their worldview.
Sadly, there are also a number of people who want to break out of their own box or rearrange the order, but who fail to realize that the very concept of boxes is part of the problem, which is how you get things like anti-trans lesbians. They complain when they get treated unfairly, but that only applies to them and they don’t generalize it.