Are the gender criticals OK?

Every day, they seem to add a new criterion for being a True Woman™. Here’s one that surprised even me.

They’re not going to stop until they’ve defined every woman out of existence.


  1. divineconspiracy667 says

    Holy fuck, these people are terrifying.
    Before my wife met me, she had a child with another person. That child was too big for her birth canal, but they tried to deliver him anyways. They waited too long and had pulled too hard on his head as part of a “natural birth” before they opted for a c-section. It killed him.
    If this would have happened before c-sections were a viable option, my wife would have died too.
    Fuck these people and their death cult.

  2. says

    @2: But childbirth is natural, see! Which means every womb-myn can do it and if she can’t, then she’s not a real womb-myn!! /s

    These people literally have no idea how dangerous childbirth is and how it can kill someone. They honestly think it’s sunshine, rainbows, and unicorn farts.

  3. Big Boppa says

    My daughter had to have an emergency caesarean when my first grandchild was born. She and the baby would have both died if not for that c section. He is now a junior in high school pulling straight A’s in mostly honors and AP courses. My daughter went on to have two more healthy, happy and intelligent girls and was a stay at home mom for all of them.

    The person who wrote that tweet and her ilk can go fuck themselves with a rusty speculum.

  4. raven says

    No problem.

    I’d rather be a Fake Mom than…a Dead Mom.
    I’d rather have a live baby than…a dead baby.

    Here is the real question.
    Why should I care for 1 second what a random troll defines as a Real Mom on Facebook?
    No one cares.
    I’d rather be a Fake Mom than…a Terrible Failed Troll Mom on Facebook.

  5. robro says

    This is so unbelievable that my first thought was a Poe. There’s no way to tell if it’s expressing a legitimate point of view of some regressive religious zealots or a parody of it. If this has anything to do with “Stay at Home Mamas” FB page, then I suspect it’s a parody.

  6. raven says

    These people literally have no idea how dangerous childbirth is and how it can kill someone.

    True and well known.

    In the old days, it was common for men to have three wives in their lifetimes. Because dying in childbirth was so frequent.

    Each birth carried a risk of about one per cent, and therefore, approximately 1 out of every 20 women would die in childbirth.Jul 27, 2020

    Reconsidering maternal mortality in medieval England › core › journals › article › re…

    This was true up until the 1800s.

  7. lanir says

    I find I’m shocked and puzzled by that one. Shocked because that’s a new target of venomous hatred for me and the first time is always a nasty surprise. And puzzled how that could even make sense in a bizarro world context. I suppose it’s classic ableist BS? Sounds a lot like the religious thing of blaming health issues on the petty whims of some figment punishing the victim for imaginary failures and shortcomings.

    Also sounds like trolling. But anymore you can’t tell real right wing BS from someone making fun of them. They troll themselves and don’t even seem to realxe it.

  8. drewl, Mental Toss Flycoon says

    @9 I noticed that also…
    My voting location is the school across the street, looks like they’ve been pretty steady so far. As soon as I’m done with the dog, I’m heading over to do my civic duty/pleasure. The only race I’m undecided about is for our county commissioner. I know both candidates personally, and either would be a good choice. The rest of the ballot is easy-peasy (ez-PZ?)

  9. says

    I’ve always said that you can’t attack trans people without defending a rigid binary, and you can’t defend a rigid binary without attacking a LOT of people.

    I didn’t personally foresee the attack on moms who give birth through c-section, but rigid binaries are weird, and, in the natural world, false, so this is exactly the kind of unexpected bullshit that we should expect from the anti-trans crusaders.

  10. Akira MacKenzie says

    Over the years I’ve seen a lot of stupid woo infest the process of pregnancy: Lamaze, water birthing, eating placenta, playing classical music during gestation will produce genius, etc.. It’s only a matter of time when the moon-gazing, Earth-goddess loons will tell us that women dying in childbirth is completely natural and it was affront to womanhood to try to do anything about it to being with.

  11. Akira MacKenzie says

    What does ContraPoints’ TERF character say: “You’ll never squeeze life from your sacred passage!”

  12. slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem)) says

    MOTHER is far more than giving birth and giving birth is a a prerequisite for being a mother.

  13. slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem)) says

    re @15
    a word slipped off the page:
    giving birth is NOT a prerequisite…

  14. says

    I think exclusionary definitions are necessary to the authoritarian mindset. They have to split the world into “real” people (themselves) who therefore have the natural authority to talk on people-matters, and “not-real” people who have to take orders. But every authoritarian dreams of being the prime authoritarian, so the definitions have to get narrower and narrower until only one person is left as being real enough to be in charge of everyone.

  15. llyris says

    15 years ago (in Australia, but I’m sure it happened elsewhere too) my friend encountered this sort of judgemental attitude after having an emergency cesarean. Not quite ‘you aren’t a mother’ but definitely ‘you didn’t really give birth’ – and by extension you aren’t quite a real mother. It’s weirdly pervasive. And it’s often other women.

  16. Artor says

    My 5’4″ mother gave natural birth 3 times before trying to pass my 10lb baby body. I got C-sectioned out of her. Does that revoke her Mom status?

  17. says

    These people literally have no idea how dangerous childbirth is and how it can kill someone. They honestly think it’s sunshine, rainbows, and unicorn farts.

    I think a lot of them DO know how dangerous and harrowing it was for them, and don’t want anyone else getting off easier than they did.

  18. raven says

    a word slipped off the page:

    giving birth is NOT a prerequisite…

    That is good to know.

    Now I don’t have to explain to my cat that she was…adopted and I’m not her real mother.

  19. williamhyde says

    If only conservative Roman politicians had known this! They could have pwned Caesar by saying that his mother wasn’t a woman!

    On second thought that might not have worked out so well for them.

  20. says

    @22: That’s a common theme on Reddit’s Childfree sub. It wouldn’t surprise me at all. But then again, you have Goop-heads who believe that anything natural can’t be dangerous so who knows.

  21. taikonotaiko says

    This meme is not just shitty, but also kinda dangerous. I dread anyone else being in the same situation I was seeing this. (Had emergency c-section at 30wks 1d, felt so hard like I’d already failed as a parent because I couldn’t carry my baby to term, and the whole ordeal was pretty terrifying tbh.) This shite is why I avoid other parents like the plague -_-

  22. gijoel says

    There was the “you’re not a mother if you don’t breast feed your kid” crowd a while back. I don’t know if they’re still around or not. I remember one of them was working as a child feeding consultant at the local hospital when they were kicked out for guilt tripping the women who couldn’t breast feed.

    Somehow being a mother involves feeling guilty about not living up to an impossible standard.

  23. robro says

    PZ @ #8, “There is no such thing as a Poe.” Sure, but there is satire, and based on what I saw at the “Stay at Home Mamas” FB page most of what is posted there is satirical with a little bit of upbeat, feel good stuff mixed in. However, I can’t find anything like this image on that FB page, so there are lots of possibilities.

  24. gjm11 says

    @8 Maybe “there’s no such thing as a Poe” is shorthand for some thing I’m not aware of? If not … why isn’t it obviously wrong? (I bet that either it isn’t obviously wrong or else “no such thing as a Poe” means something more specific, but I don’t see what I’m missing.) “Poe’s Law” says that there’s no such thing as a parody too extreme to be taken for real, and “a Poe” would be a parody that has in fact been mistaken for something real despite being extreme. And obviously those exist.

    (I share others’ suspicion that this “Fake Mom” thing looks like parody, for what it’s worth.)

    … Aha, found some actual evidence: — see the comment from dhans59h. Of course, they might be lying or something, but I’d guess not. In which case, it’s more shitposting than parody as such, but at any rate wasn’t meant seriously. In any case, it seems to be from about 3 years ago, so it could be that robro was looking in the right place but didn’t go far enough back to find it. (Or it might have been deleted there, if as dhans59h claims its sharing elsewhere led to a lot of nuisance for the person who originally posted it.)

  25. mcfrank0 says

    I noticed several comments about woo, but no one mentioned the possible influence of Christianists and the curse of Eve.

    Like anesthesia, I’m sure some folks think a Caesarian is “cheating” and a way of getting around God’s decree that women suffer during childbirth.

  26. mathscatherine says

    @5 I’m another Fake Mum who’s happy to not be a Dead Mum, because that’s what would have happened if a C-section wasn’t an option. I would have died and so would the baby.