A defense of Adnan Oktar


It’s not a very good defense, but Oktar’s allies have put together a long, long series of webpages trying to argue that Oktar was railroaded — I link to it here in the interests of fairness, although I don’t believe any of it. The core of their claim is that evidence against him was illegally obtained (probably true, in part — I don’t think Erdogan’s government respects the idea of justice — and that he was not part of a criminal organization, but rather, they were just an open-minded circle of friends, which I do not believe for an instant. It was, maybe is, a cult, with Oktar at the top. There was a tremendous flow of money through his organization that allowed him to create international conferences and publish books of propaganda that he sent around the world.

Also, most strangely, throughout the defense they assert that the accused are all well-off, from wealthy families, therefore they couldn’t possibly be guilty of criminal activities! Yeah, right. For instance, one set of charges is that Oktar was a sexual abuser, and several of the women (the ones he called “kittens”) stepped forward to testify against him. This can’t be!

The women who claim to have been sexually abused are well-educated and capable of expressing themselves very well; among them are a doctor of medicine, even a lawyer. None of them are people who would remain silent in the face of harassment that continues for years. They are not people who can be made to comply with such a thing with various suggestions either, because they are of high socio-cultural levels, have university degrees, they are not ignorant. There is no question of corrupting their will through various explanations.

Women of high socio-cultural levels can’t be victimized, I guess, and can’t possibly be persuaded to submit to an oppressive influence. Except, of course, when the police pressure them to turn on Adnan Oktar, then their will can be quickly corrupted.

They are also the victims of a conspiracy by orthodox Muslims to destroy Oktar’s liberal, enlightened organization. Let’s not forget that this was an organization dedicated to an anti-science position, promoting creationism, with a creepy collection of women made up to look like dolls and recite the writings of Adnan Oktar. Liberal, it wasn’t. OK, maybe it was liberal compared to fundamentalist Islamic clerics, but that isn’t saying much.

But I do think the defense has a point when they bring up the magnitude of the arrests. The Turkish police rounded up everyone in a massive sweep.

Through this scheme, Adnan Oktar and 200 of his friends, men and women who have no past convictions, and are university graduates from respectable families, were collected from their homes in totality, kept in police custody for eight days under very harsh circumstances and then sent to prison.This court case has been underway for 2 years in Turkey, with a number of violations of international human rights and the Turkish Constitution.

This is a very unique case with 226 defendants, 167 of whom were detained for a term of 17 months until December 2019, when 91 of the defendants (including 3 lawyers), and 4 more in February 2020, were released by the court, which ruled to execute judicial control measures of an “international travel ban” and “ban to leave the house” (house arrest) for all. 78 defendants, including Adnan Oktar, are still in Silivri High-Security Prison, Istanbul.

I’d add that a sentence of 1,075 years is excessive and vindictive for someone who was a non-violent offender (although he did have a cache of guns, so maybe there’s more to that). If you want to make a case that Turkish justice is brutal and unfair, I’d be receptive. Trying to argue that Adnan Oktar was just one of a casual circle of friends who promoted enlightenment ideals…well, that’s just bullshit and you’ve gone too far.

Also, although as an American I shouldn’t complain about corrupt prison systems, Silivri High-Security Prison isn’t exactly the kind of white-collar country club prison where you can do easy time.

Comments

  1. larpar says

    He did get railroaded.
    If he had paid proper respect and gave a cut to Erdogan, he’d still be a free man.

  2. vucodlak says

    A reminder, to any who need it, that the problem with “country club” prisons isn’t that rich white people are treated too well in prison, but that everyone else is treated so poorly.

  3. mskitty says

    Anyone who uses the term “very unique” should have their civil right violated. “Unique” is a term which does not allow comparatives.

  4. jrkrideau says

    Evidence that was illegally obtained (search minutes, digital records, technical surveillance details, wiretap evidence, photo identification procedures, HTS analysis reports, etc.), are used as illegal justification to continue the detention of the defendants since July 11, 2018.
    All i see is

    Evidence that was illegally obtained (search minutes, digital records, technical surveillance details, wiretap evidence, photo identification procedures, HTS analysis reports, etc.), are used as illegal justification to continue the detention of the defendants since July 11, 2018.

    Without a knowledge of Turkish law, who knows? A US FISA court could probably authorise most of that.

  5. jrkrideau says

    I’d add that a sentence of 1,075 years is excessive
    Well a bit but have not I heard of 160 year sentences in the USA? Heck, I think we have them in Canada but one is eligible for probation after the first 25 unless declared a “danger offender”.

  6. says

    “I’d add that a sentence of 1,075 years is excessive” Iran has that beat. It sentences people it doesn’t like to 20 years plus death. Mind you there are more than a few death row prisoners in the USA who have spent that long wondering when some despotic governor running for re-election or standing for President will indulge in a pre-election killing spree to boost his tough on crime credentials.

  7. blf says

    Some from List of longest prison sentences:

    ● Terry Nichols (Oklahoma City terrorist bomber), 1995, States (federal? Oklahoma?), 161 life sentences plus 9,300 years without parole.
    ● Chamoy Thipyaso (financial fraud (pyramid scheme)), 1989, Thailand, 141,078 years (of which only 8 were served before release).
    ● Moses Sithole (multiple murders and rapes), 1997, S.Africa, 2,410 years (minimum 930 years).
    ● Christopher Campano (murder), 1994, States (Oklahoma?), 1,000 years.

    Those are all relatively recent sentences. I imagine, without doing any research, one can find historical extreme sentences, both from both from non-judicial “Star Chambers”, kangaroo courts, etc.; as well as more-likely-judicial courts.

  8. Frederic Bourgault-Christie says

    Reading this, it made me think of the tendency that I think Anglo law may have helped push to make any number of arguments for the person you’re defending. They could have just said that Oktar is being railroaded by a corrupt system and deserves a fair trial.

  9. whheydt says

    Re: garydargan @ #6…
    So far as I can tell, many–if not most–US death sentences will be by old age.

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